Whatever happened to the Enterprise-E

mli777 · September 2013

I wonder if we'll ever get to find out what happened to Data and the Enterprise-E. After all the last known report was that it investigating Starbase 236 in 2408.

It might be fun to get Brent Spiner voicing Data. He may be too old to physically play the Android, but he probably can do the voice.

capnmanx · September 2013

I seem to remember Cryptic saying that either CBS or Paramount were reserving the right to make an official story regarding what happened to the Ent-E (just in case they ever wanted to revisit it); so Cryptic weren't supposed to touch it.

I admit though, I could be remembering that wrong.

kojirohellfire · September 2013

capnmanx wrote: »

I seem to remember Cryptic saying that either CBS or Paramount were reserving the right to make an official story regarding what happened to the Ent-E (just in case they ever wanted to revisit it); so Cryptic weren't supposed to touch it.

I admit though, I could be remembering that wrong.

No, that's pretty much what I've recalled hearing too.

mli777 · September 2013

kojirohellfire wrote: »

No, that's pretty much what I've recalled hearing too.

Okay, I guess we'll see if CBS eventually decides that fate of the Ent-E.

Considering that the Enterprise-F was commissioned in 2409, just a year after that last known contact with Ent-E, I wonder if it had been renamed to Enterprise, and if so, what was it originally named?

thecosmic1 · September 2013

mli777 wrote: »

Okay, I guess we'll see if CBS eventually decides that fate of the Ent-E.

Considering that the Enterprise-F was commissioned in 2409, just a year after that last known contact with Ent-E, I wonder if it had been renamed to Enterprise, and if so, what was it originally named?

The ship was probably never given a name while it and its siblings were being constructed. At best it was probably going to be called the Odyssey after the Class, but once the E was decommissioned they decided the ship would be the F.

angelphoenix12 · September 2013

mli777 wrote: »

Okay, I guess we'll see if CBS eventually decides that fate of the Ent-E.

Considering that the Enterprise-F was commissioned in 2409, just a year after that last known contact with Ent-E, I wonder if it had been renamed to Enterprise, and if so, what was it originally named?

judging by most of the enterprises; I wouldn't be surprised if it got destroyed. and data was captured by the icoians.

tekehd · September 2013

As there is an Enterprise-F, I'd assume it is lost, retired or destroyed.

azurianstar · September 2013

tekehd wrote: »

As there is an Enterprise-F, I'd assume it is lost, retired or destroyed.

In the old Path to 2409 (the accolade version never said it), that Data and the crew of the Enterprise-E was rescued from the Undine, but the fate of the Enterprise-E is still MIA, so she is either still intact or she's a floating wreckage. But she definitely is not retired.

thecosmic1 · September 2013

azurianstar wrote: »

In the old Path to 2409 (the accolade version never said it), that Data and the crew of the Enterprise-E was rescued from the Undine, but the fate of the Enterprise-E is still MIA, so she is either still intact or she's a floating wreckage. But she definitely is not retired.

I don't remember any mention of the ship being destroyed by Undine and the crew found. In fact, you can go all the way back to 2010 on the forum and see posts specifically asking the same question about the E and getting the same answer: they went to find out why we lost contact with a Starbase and that was the last anyone knows - and this is from when the Path was still on the website.

turbomagnus · September 2013

Who knows, maybe if CBS makes a decision on it someday, that might end up becoming part of the game, a Featured Episode or something where we investigate and discover the final fate of the Enterprise-E. If Brent Spiner would be up to it for that, we could even have Captain Data joining us as an Ground NPC/Ship advisor on the mission like K'mtar does during the Klingon storyline...

azurianstar · September 2013

thecosmic1 wrote: »

I don't remember any mention of the ship being destroyed by Undine and the crew found. In fact, you can go all the way back to 2010 on the forum and see posts specifically asking the same question about the E and getting the same answer: they went to find out why we lost contact with a Starbase and that was the last anyone knows - and this is from when the Path was still on the website.

I didn't say the Enterprise E was destroyed, I said she was missing and nobody knew if she was destroyed or not.

picardx · September 2013

The crew survive whatever does happen. The STO stories in the current issues of Star Trek Magazine specifically state that Captain Shon had a conversation with Data following his appointment to take command of the Enterprise-F. It even goes into the conversation they had where Shon didn't feel he was worthy of that history.

angelphoenix12 · September 2013

picardx wrote: »

The crew survive whatever does happen. The STO stories in the current issues of Star Trek Magazine specifically state that Captain Shon had a conversation with Data following his appointment to take command of the Enterprise-F. It even goes into the conversation they had where Shon didn't feel he was worthy of that history.

one could argue that that would be considered as soft cannon and not really what happens.

kojirohellfire · September 2013

azurianstar wrote: »

I didn't say the Enterprise E was destroyed, I said she was missing and nobody knew if she was destroyed or not.

No one even knows if it's missing, because it's just not said what happens to it, period. The Road to 2409 just says it goes to investigate the loss of contact of a starbase. It could very well have successfully come back after completing its mission and get decommissioned. The information on its fate is never stated at all.

age03 · September 2013

The Enterpise E got decomissioned like most other Enterprise be her time and Data is dead.There is nothing that can stand a thalaron and warp singlarity explosion as they got sucked into a tiny black hole.

flash525 · September 2013

age03 wrote: »

The Enterpise E got decomissioned like most other Enterprise be her time and Data is dead.There is nothing that can stand a thalaron and warp singlarity explosion as they got sucked into a tiny black hole.

Data Dead? I think not.

mli777 · September 2013

Considering STO does use the story from ST: Countdown, we can rule out the battle with Shinzon as why.

Now the Enterprise-Ewould be 36 years old by 2408. Certainly short-lived for a starship (Mirandas had served in the Dominion War) unless the damage from various battles had really shortened the ship's hull life.

Perhaps the Ent-E had suffered significant damage escaping the Borg but it may have been deemed a waste of time to rebuild compared to say just retiring the ship and slapping the next Letter to the newest, biggest ship of Starfleet. The Enterprise-E might have been too badly damaged, and possibly outdated; some of her systems might be a generation or so behind those in newer Sovereign-class starships (A real life comparison is the changes between the USS George HW Bush and the USS Nimitz).

Plus, it allows for the older Enterprise to be a museum ship; the last USS Enterprise that could have been retired was the Enterprise-B. A former flagship of Starfleet as a museum would be perfect for getting interest, especially with the costly wars with the Klingons and others by 2409.

thecosmic1 · September 2013

angelphoenix12 wrote: »

one could argue that that would be considered as soft cannon and not really what happens.

STO is also soft canon; and the article in Trek Magazine was written by Kestrel, IIRC.

thecosmic1 · September 2013

age03 wrote: »

The Enterpise E got decomissioned like most other Enterprise be her time and Data is dead.There is nothing that can stand a thalaron and warp singlarity explosion as they got sucked into a tiny black hole.

Actually only the A and B were decommissioned - and we can only guess on the B. The original, C, and D were all destroyed in combat.

And Data is very much alive in STO's canon. Feel free to read the Path to 2409 if you want to learn how it happens.

age03 · September 2013

flash525 wrote: »

Data Dead? I think not.

I would think yes no one could survive a black hole.

farmallm · September 2013

I would say decommissioned or destroyed. As a ship that is "MIA" or lost. Usually don't get a replacement that soon. As they usually allow time for a chance for it to return. Look at Voyager it was gone for 7 years. I'm sure they didn't have a new "Voyager" ship already in service yet. Where if it was decommissioned or destroyed. Then they would be more willing to replace it with that name faster. Like the Defiant and Enterprise through B. Even at times if a ship is gone, they sometimes take years before they rename one. Defiant is a prime example.

Going by Memory Beta (soft cannon). It says this about the ship. And backs up the more decommissioned. Damaged beyond repair or destroy theory.

Sometime between 2408 and 2409, the Enterprise (NCC-1701-E) was removed from service, for an unknown reason, and was replaced in service by the new Odyssey-class USS Enterprise-F. (STO video game: Star Trek Online) http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_%28NCC-1701-E%29

snoggymack22 · September 2013

mli777 wrote: »

I wonder if we'll ever get to find out what happened to Data and the Enterprise-E. After all the last known report was that it investigating Starbase 236 in 2408.

CBS said no to the Enterprise E. It's too old and dated in this game's timeline.

age03 · September 2013

thecosmic1 wrote: »

Actually only the A and B were decommissioned - and we can only guess on the B. The original, C, and D were all destroyed in combat.

And Data is very much alive in STO's canon. Feel free to read the Path to 2409 if you want to learn how it happens.

The A got decommisioned but B who know as it is missing and Data is very much DEAD no one can survive black hole explosion and this game reflects nothing of CANON Star Trek died after Nemisis.TNG movies were bad anyway but DATA is Dead.

snoggymack22 · September 2013

age03 wrote: »

The A got decommisioned but B who know as it is missing and Data is very much DEAD no one can survive black hole explosion and this game reflects nothing of CANON Star Trek died after Nemisis.TNG movies were bad anyway but DATA is Dead.

Apparently you weren't watching the end of Nemesis very closely at all.

thecosmic1 · September 2013

age03 wrote: »

The A got decommisioned but B who know as it is missing and Data is very much DEAD no one can survive black hole explosion and this game reflects nothing of CANON Star Trek died after Nemisis.TNG movies were bad anyway but DATA is Dead.

First off, yes, A was accounted for, but you're the one who said "decomissioned like most other Enterprise." I was simply point out that "most" other Enterprises died in combat. They weren't decommissioned. Thus the premise of your statement is incorrect.

And no one ever said STO is canon, but the OP is asking about STO history, not canon history. Thus your point about what happens in canon is moot to the discussion. And the Scimitar didn't explode into a black hole. That was the Narada. The Scimitar simply exploded.

And the whole point of the end of Nemesis was to show how Data did survive.

farmallm · September 2013

mli777 wrote: »

Considering STO does use the story from ST: Countdown, we can rule out the battle with Shinzon as why.

Now the Enterprise-Ewould be 36 years old by 2408. Certainly short-lived for a starship (Mirandas had served in the Dominion War) unless the damage from various battles had really shortened the ship's hull life.

Perhaps the Ent-E had suffered significant damage escaping the Borg but it may have been deemed a waste of time to rebuild compared to say just retiring the ship and slapping the next Letter to the newest, biggest ship of Starfleet. The Enterprise-E might have been too badly damaged, and possibly outdated; some of her systems might be a generation or so behind those in newer Sovereign-class starships (A real life comparison is the changes between the USS George HW Bush and the USS Nimitz).

Plus, it allows for the older Enterprise to be a museum ship; the last USS Enterprise that could have been retired was the Enterprise-B. A former flagship of Starfleet as a museum would be perfect for getting interest, especially with the costly wars with the Klingons and others by 2409.

I agree with this theory of decommission. Even the NCC-1701 was heading for that being 40 years old. 20 with the original design, and another 20 as refit. Being launched in 2245, major refit in 2270, and destruction in 2285. So 40 years on a ship is about it under most circumstances.

mli777 · September 2013

Perhaps since Ent-B may or may not have disappeared, really the last Enterprise that could feasibly be a museum was Enterprise-A, aka Kirk's last real command. So this would be the only Enterprise from the 24 Century to survive for a decommissioning ceremony.

age03 · September 2013

snoggymack22 wrote: »

Apparently you weren't watching the end of Nemesis very closely at all.

I was and he Died and I got it on VHS tape and watched more than once HE died in the Schmitar and B4 that is not Data but of a reject android not even Lore.

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First off, yes, A was accounted for, but you're the one who said "decomissioned like most other Enterprise." I was simply point out that "most" other Enterprises died in combat. They weren't decommissioned. Thus the premise of your statement is incorrect.

And no one ever said STO is canon, but the OP is asking about STO history, not canon history. Thus your point about what happens in canon is moot to the discussion. And the Scimitar didn't explode into a black hole. That was the Narada. The Scimitar simply exploded.

And the whole point of the end of Nemesis was to show how Data did survive.

It is not incorrect a A ihas been decommisioned and there has been no mention of B which it is unacounted for.

The Scimitar warp core will cause a minie black hole on explosion.

I am glad to see these type of question get answered but the more important ones like mine don't.

newromulan1 · September 2013

thecosmic1 wrote: »

First off, yes, A was accounted for, but you're the one who said "decomissioned like most other Enterprise." I was simply point out that "most" other Enterprises died in combat. They weren't decommissioned. Thus the premise of your statement is incorrect.

And no one ever said STO is canon, but the OP is asking about STO history, not canon history. Thus your point about what happens in canon is moot to the discussion. And the Scimitar didn't explode into a black hole. That was the Narada. The Scimitar simply exploded.

And the whole point of the end of Nemesis was to show how Data did survive.

I think they are confused - the original Data body was destroyed - B4 had data's (data) downloaded onto it - kind of like a brain transplant to a new body.

age03 · September 2013

newromulan1 wrote: »

I think they are confused - the original Data body was destroyed - B4 had data's (data) downloaded onto it - kind of like a brain transplant to a new body.

There is no way they could do this as it integrated in his body B4 is not Data

thecosmic1 · September 2013

age03 wrote: »

It is not incorrect a A ihas been decommisioned and there has been no mention of B which it is unacounted for.

Again, the point of disagreement was that you said "most Enterprises were decommissioned." Most weren't. Most were destroyed in combat. See, most means more then half, not less then half.

The Scimitar warp core will cause a minie black hole on explosion.

Maybe in your imagination it did, but on screen there was no black hole. The debilitated E wasn't sucked toward any black hole when the Scimitar was destroyed. It was just a normal ship explosion.

Whatever happened to the Enterprise-E

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