I can't recall a single Romulan ship getting sucked into a black hole as a result of its Singularity Core getting breached over the course of any show or movie. The Narada got sucked into a black hole created by Red Matter, not a core breach.
That said, while the original Data did go up with the Scimitar, B4 showed that he retained, at the very least, traces of Data's programming/memories. In other words, Data survived as Data 2.0...
There is no way they could do this as it integrated in his body B4 is not Data
Technically they are working on ways -right now - to convert a human brain to circuits and microchips - and take the DATA/memories - in your brain and convert them into a robot brain.
There's a whole lot of misinformation in this thread. Let me clear some things up. This isn't opinion or speculation, this is established fact for STO.
1: The Star Trek miniseries from IDW is canon for STO. Much of the information there is established as fact within the game itself. This includes Data's 'return'.
2: The Star Trek Online novel, The Needs of the Many, is canon for STO. Not only is it canon, but it's the only novel that should be placed before any other novel for Star Trek for the very basic reason that it is the Star Trek Online tie-in novel. Christine Thompson aka Cryptic_Kestrel was consulted by Michael A. Martin for the book's creation. B4, despite his simple mind, was able to recognize the threat that the undine posed to Starfleet and sacrificed himself despite Data's objections. Data now inhabits the body of B4.
From Memory Beta in regards to the STO Timeline:
After an extensive study at the Soong Foundation by a dedicated science team and Geordi La Forge, the group manage to unravel the Data matrix allowing for all of Data's memories, personality and experiences to override B-4. When the restored Data first gained consciousness, he objected to the fact that his restoration was at B-4's expense, and immediately attempted to destroy his own consciousness to preserve B-4. However, B-4 sacrificed himself to prevent Data from dying. Through this, the android was able to help the Soong Foundation in upgrading the positronic brain and help in the recreation of the emotion chip originally developed by Doctor Soong. Ambassador Spock likened it to his resurrection a hundred and two years previously, though Data likened it more to a return. (ST - Countdown comic: "Number Two"; STO novel: The Needs of the Many; ST website: The Path to 2409)
3: The Enterprise-E was not destroyed according to the Path of 2409. We last heard from it in 2408 when it went to investigate Starbase 236 after Starfleet lost contact with it. Anything since then is nothing but speculation.
Speculation Begins Here: That said, because it's when we last heard from the Enterprise-E, that many think the Enterprise-E was destroyed or lost after investigating Starbase 236. I think if it was lost or otherwise destroyed from when we last heard from it, it would have said so in the Path to 2409 or elsewhere in the game. There is absolutely no lore that suggests the Enterprise-E was lost on this mission, simply we failed to hear any further reports from the Enterprise-E. It doesn't mean it wasn't still out there exploring the galaxy. It just means no further lore on the Enterprise-E's adventures are available.
4: CBS Studios made an information blackout regarding the Enterprise-E. This is the only real truth about its fate. They declared that Cryptic can not touch the fate of the Enterprise-E without their authorization first. This is what many players can not comprehend, but it can't be anymore clear -- we are simply unable to be given that information. The only information we have is that there is an Enterprise-F now. Think of it as a book with multiple lines blacked out due to censorship. That's the fate of the Enterprise-E -- blacked-out lines. Anything else is purely conjecture. This is the deal Cryptic made with CBS Studios in order to get the Enterprise in the game.
Iconians is correct. The Starbase was her last recorded mission. Even this is found in Memory Beta (soft cannon). So it could be decommissioned after this, destroyed, or damaged beyond repair. I doubt MIA since it would be too soon to replace it due to being MIA. As that don't follow the usual pattern of replacement. Its all speculation. Until they in the game, movie, CBS or book finally reveals what really happen.
This was the last known events shown for the ship.
2408:
After Starfleet lost contact with Starbase 236 in late September of 2408, the Enterprise was dispatched to investigate. Starfleet was unsure whether the loss of contact was due to an equipment failure or the ongoing war with the Klingon Empire. (ST website: The Path to 2409)
Which is followed by this.
2409:
Sometime between 2408 and 2409, the Enterprise (NCC-1701-E) was removed from service, for an unknown reason, and was replaced in service by the new Odyssey-class USS Enterprise-F. (STO video game: Star Trek Online)
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Technically they are working on ways -right now - to convert a human brain to circuits and microchips - and take the DATA/memories - in your brain and convert them into a robot brain.
Again, the point of disagreement was that you said "most Enterprises were decommissioned." Most weren't. Most were destroyed in combat. See, most means more then half, not less then half
I said the Enterprise A is the only one decommisioned.
Maybe in your imagination it did, but on screen there was no black hole. The debilitated E wasn't sucked toward any black hole when the Scimitar was destroyed. It was just a normal ship explosion.
There is still the matter of the Thalaron explosion in which case nothing can withstand it along with warp core breach.
@iconians
That is wiki I only beleive what I see on screen and it is the reason Nemisis had the worst rating followed by Generation to have the worst box office sales and poor attandance not to mention the Law suit by Activsion.
It was the reason Rick Bermon and Ron Braga were fired after the verdict came out as well as Enterprises poor ratings.
Don't say that. Its possible for a VHS recorder to still exist in this day and age, and they copied it off the TV when it aired there.
I'm sure it did, on some channel, someplace...
Back up tho, I can say iconians is as on the mark for the situation as you could be. CBS holds the rights, and doesn't want anyone else to do anything to reserve something on it for another time. When that would be? Well, only time will tell.
The Enterpise E got decomissioned like most other Enterprise be her time and Data is dead.
There is still the matter of the Thalaron explosion in which case nothing can withstand it along with warp core breach.
Again, I don't disagree that there was an explosion. I'm simply pointing out that your repeated "black hole" statement is incorrect.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Speculation Begins Here: That said, because it's when we last heard from the Enterprise-E, that many think the Enterprise-E was destroyed or lost after investigating Starbase 236. I think if it was lost or otherwise destroyed from when we last heard from it, it would have said so in the Path to 2409 or elsewhere in the game. There is absolutely no lore that suggests the Enterprise-E was lost on this mission, simply we failed to hear any further reports from the Enterprise-E. It doesn't mean it wasn't still out there exploring the galaxy. It just means no further lore on the Enterprise-E's adventures are available.
4: CBS Studios made an information blackout regarding the Enterprise-E. This is the only real truth about its fate. They declared that Cryptic can not touch the fate of the Enterprise-E without their authorization first. This is what many players can not comprehend, but it can't be anymore clear -- we are simply unable to be given that information. The only information we have is that there is an Enterprise-F now. Think of it as a book with multiple lines blacked out due to censorship. That's the fate of the Enterprise-E -- blacked-out lines. Anything else is purely conjecture. This is the deal Cryptic made with CBS Studios in order to get the Enterprise in the game.
As I said above, I'm fairly certain that STO story in the Star Trek Magazine was written by Kestrel with the intent of closing the chapter of Data and the E as far as the game's canon.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
As I said above, I'm fairly certain that STO story in the Star Trek Magazine was written by Kestrel with the intent of closing the chapter of Data and the E as far as the game's canon.
I'm still trying to put brain juice back into my head, but I don't disagree with you, per say. I think Christine or Jesse would have to actually come out and say that the stories in Star Trek Magazine about the Enterprise-F and Shon are canon for the game, if they haven't already. It's simply an area that I'm not 100% clear on, and have no problem admitting to being ignorant of that.
The crew survive whatever does happen. The STO stories in the current issues of Star Trek Magazine specifically state that Captain Shon had a conversation with Data following his appointment to take command of the Enterprise-F. It even goes into the conversation they had where Shon didn't feel he was worthy of that history.
Wait, WHAT? Where/how do I get a copy of this? Can I still get one?
Applies to modern-day medicine, not medicine of 400 years in the future. Medicine thirty years earlier could resurrect the recently dead with no ill effects, and that was the sickbay of a starship stuck on the opposite side of the galaxy with supply problems (VOY: "Emanations").
I said the Enterprise A is the only one decommisioned.
It's the only one we know for certain was decommissioned instead of being destroyed. Not quite the same thing. We simply don't know the final fate of the Enterprise-B since it was only on screen for fifteen minutes.
There is still the matter of the Thalaron explosion in which case nothing can withstand it along with warp core breach.
Data's original body was destroyed aboard the Scimitar, yes. That doesn't say TRIBBLE about stuff that was not on the ship, such as the other android body over on the Ent-E that Data uploaded his brain into, and the epilogue of the film left open the possibility that Data could thus return (specifically B-4 starts singing the same song Data sung at the wedding reception).
@iconians
That is wiki I only beleive what I see on screen
For the purposes of STO, that is the canonical explanation, as laid out in in-game texts and a tie-in novel. Deal with it.
and it is the reason Nemisis had the worst rating followed by Generation to have the worst box office sales and poor attandance not to mention the Law suit by Activsion.
It was the reason Rick Bermon and Ron Braga were fired after the verdict came out as well as Enterprises poor ratings.
Ok, you've lost me completely. You're saying that STO resurrecting Data is the reason Nemesis sucked?
*leaves, comes back five minutes later and it still doesn't make sense*
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Because we know what happened to him; he retired from Starfleet and became the Federation Ambassador to Vulcan - it's in the 'Path to 2409'.
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." -- Q, TNG: "Q-Who?"
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
And then he retired as the Ambassador to Vulcan and slipped into retirement at his vineyard in France. We aren't asking about Picard because he's done his service, now he can live a nice quiet retirement.
But the Enterprise-E has, essentially, vanished without a trace, we don't know where she is. She's like the Edmund Fitzgerald, the Flying Dutchman, the Marie Celeste... a mystery. And if there's one thing we humans love it's a mystery... more than that, we love solving such mysteries...
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." -- Q, TNG: "Q-Who?"
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
But the Enterprise-E has, essentially, vanished without a trace, we don't know where she is. She's like the Edmund Fitzgerald, the Flying Dutchman, the Marie Celeste... a mystery. And if there's one thing we humans love it's a mystery... more than that, we love solving such mysteries...
But the Enterprise-E has, essentially, vanished without a trace, we don't know where she is. She's like the Edmund Fitzgerald, the Flying Dutchman, the Marie Celeste... a mystery. And if there's one thing we humans love it's a mystery... more than that, we love solving such mysteries...
Applies to modern-day medicine, not medicine of 400 years in the future. Medicine thirty years earlier could resurrect the recently dead with no ill effects, and that was the sickbay of a starship stuck on the opposite side of the galaxy with supply problems (VOY: "Emanations").
That is what he referring to modern day and if you remember Worf accident.
It's the only one we know for certain was decommissioned instead of being destroyed. Not quite the same thing. We simply don't know the final fate of the Enterprise-B since it was only on screen for fifteen minutes.
No kidding
Data's original body was destroyed aboard the Scimitar, yes. That doesn't say TRIBBLE about stuff that was not on the ship, such as the other android body over on the Ent-E that Data uploaded his brain into, and the epilogue of the film left open the possibility that Data could thus return (specifically B-4 starts singing the same song Data sung at the wedding reception).
Data did not upload anything to that other android.
For the purposes of STO, that is the canonical explanation, as laid out in in-game texts and a tie-in novel. Deal with it.
Ok, you've lost me completely. You're saying that STO resurrecting Data is the reason Nemesis sucked?
*leaves, comes back five minutes later and it still doesn't make sense*
I would of left him for dead if that is the Case then Kirk is alive.
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ummm..... yes he did, he uploaded all of his memories in to B4..... watch it again broseph and pay closer attention...
No he didn't he interfaced with it but did not upload anything that is all and disconnected himself when that other android was trying to gain access.Data does carry vital information about the Enterprse and Starfleet.Shinzon was trying to gain this acces by using ther other android and Data severed the connection.
I have seen it 6 times and you I do have the Video.
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No he didn't he interfaced with it but did not upload anything that is all and disconnected himself when that other android was trying to gain access.Data does carry vital information about the Enterprse and Starfleet.Shinzon was trying to gain this acces by using ther other android and Data severed the connection.
I have seen it 6 times and you I do have the Video.
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No he didn't he interfaced with it but did not upload anything that is all and disconnected himself when that other android was trying to gain access.Data does carry vital information about the Enterprse and Starfleet.Shinzon was trying to gain this acces by using ther other android and Data severed the connection.
I have seen it 6 times and you I do have the Video.
I don't think you saw the movie 6 times if you missed the scene with him uploading all his memories to B4 to give him a better understanding and experiences.
I don't think you saw the movie 6 times if you missed the scene with him uploading all his memories to B4 to give him a better understanding and experiences.
7th time is the charm
One way or another somebody lost data and the enterprise-e.
It is rumored to have been thrown 4000 years into the future, a Mad Man in a Blue Box was also rumored to try and help them but it was a fixed point in time and he was very very sorry.
Inertia just means you can do Powerslides in you carrier!
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No he didn't he interfaced with it but did not upload anything that is all and disconnected himself when that other android was trying to gain access.Data does carry vital information about the Enterprse and Starfleet.Shinzon was trying to gain this acces by using ther other android and Data severed the connection.
I have seen it 6 times and you I do have the Video.
Holy..
Go watch it again, another 20 times infact.
Beginning of movie (7:40), Data sings Blue Skies at Riker and Troi's Wedding.
At 23:15 in the movie, you see a cable going from B4 to Data, where LaForge specifically says "I still can't believe the captain went along with the memory download" And then disconnects Data and says "Done" They even have a conversation about how Data feels about B4 having his memories.
End of Movie, B4 is sitting in Picard's quarters, and as Picard goes to leave, B4 starts to sing Blue Skies "Never saw the sun, never saw the sun", meaning, the memories Data transferred were starting to come out.
Make sure you know your facts properly before you say anything next time
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That said, while the original Data did go up with the Scimitar, B4 showed that he retained, at the very least, traces of Data's programming/memories. In other words, Data survived as Data 2.0...
Technically they are working on ways -right now - to convert a human brain to circuits and microchips - and take the DATA/memories - in your brain and convert them into a robot brain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT1vxEpE1aI
So yes all the "info" that makes data - data - was downloaded into B4
1: The Star Trek miniseries from IDW is canon for STO. Much of the information there is established as fact within the game itself. This includes Data's 'return'.
2: The Star Trek Online novel, The Needs of the Many, is canon for STO. Not only is it canon, but it's the only novel that should be placed before any other novel for Star Trek for the very basic reason that it is the Star Trek Online tie-in novel. Christine Thompson aka Cryptic_Kestrel was consulted by Michael A. Martin for the book's creation. B4, despite his simple mind, was able to recognize the threat that the undine posed to Starfleet and sacrificed himself despite Data's objections. Data now inhabits the body of B4.
From Memory Beta in regards to the STO Timeline:
3: The Enterprise-E was not destroyed according to the Path of 2409. We last heard from it in 2408 when it went to investigate Starbase 236 after Starfleet lost contact with it. Anything since then is nothing but speculation.
Speculation Begins Here: That said, because it's when we last heard from the Enterprise-E, that many think the Enterprise-E was destroyed or lost after investigating Starbase 236. I think if it was lost or otherwise destroyed from when we last heard from it, it would have said so in the Path to 2409 or elsewhere in the game. There is absolutely no lore that suggests the Enterprise-E was lost on this mission, simply we failed to hear any further reports from the Enterprise-E. It doesn't mean it wasn't still out there exploring the galaxy. It just means no further lore on the Enterprise-E's adventures are available.
4: CBS Studios made an information blackout regarding the Enterprise-E. This is the only real truth about its fate. They declared that Cryptic can not touch the fate of the Enterprise-E without their authorization first. This is what many players can not comprehend, but it can't be anymore clear -- we are simply unable to be given that information. The only information we have is that there is an Enterprise-F now. Think of it as a book with multiple lines blacked out due to censorship. That's the fate of the Enterprise-E -- blacked-out lines. Anything else is purely conjecture. This is the deal Cryptic made with CBS Studios in order to get the Enterprise in the game.
This was the last known events shown for the ship.
2408:
After Starfleet lost contact with Starbase 236 in late September of 2408, the Enterprise was dispatched to investigate. Starfleet was unsure whether the loss of contact was due to an equipment failure or the ongoing war with the Klingon Empire. (ST website: The Path to 2409)
Which is followed by this.
2409:
Sometime between 2408 and 2409, the Enterprise (NCC-1701-E) was removed from service, for an unknown reason, and was replaced in service by the new Odyssey-class USS Enterprise-F. (STO video game: Star Trek Online)
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Now I know you're just trolling.
There is no way a doctor can perform a brain transplant if that were so there would be paralisis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZjkHUrEuHc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi5mj6-CUiY
I said the Enterprise A is the only one decommisioned.
There is still the matter of the Thalaron explosion in which case nothing can withstand it along with warp core breach.
@iconians
That is wiki I only beleive what I see on screen and it is the reason Nemisis had the worst rating followed by Generation to have the worst box office sales and poor attandance not to mention the Law suit by Activsion.
It was the reason Rick Bermon and Ron Braga were fired after the verdict came out as well as Enterprises poor ratings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h06WKYFYdlo
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I'm not even sure where to begin on that. Enough that I think my brain is broken now. I'll let someone else handle it.
Don't say that. Its possible for a VHS recorder to still exist in this day and age, and they copied it off the TV when it aired there.
I'm sure it did, on some channel, someplace...
Back up tho, I can say iconians is as on the mark for the situation as you could be. CBS holds the rights, and doesn't want anyone else to do anything to reserve something on it for another time. When that would be? Well, only time will tell.
Again, I don't disagree that there was an explosion. I'm simply pointing out that your repeated "black hole" statement is incorrect.
I'm still trying to put brain juice back into my head, but I don't disagree with you, per say. I think Christine or Jesse would have to actually come out and say that the stories in Star Trek Magazine about the Enterprise-F and Shon are canon for the game, if they haven't already. It's simply an area that I'm not 100% clear on, and have no problem admitting to being ignorant of that.
Maybe it was, but Cryptic saw it as an "I Quit" thread from Data and deleted the information.
Wait, WHAT? Where/how do I get a copy of this? Can I still get one?
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It's the only one we know for certain was decommissioned instead of being destroyed. Not quite the same thing. We simply don't know the final fate of the Enterprise-B since it was only on screen for fifteen minutes.
Data's original body was destroyed aboard the Scimitar, yes. That doesn't say TRIBBLE about stuff that was not on the ship, such as the other android body over on the Ent-E that Data uploaded his brain into, and the epilogue of the film left open the possibility that Data could thus return (specifically B-4 starts singing the same song Data sung at the wedding reception).
For the purposes of STO, that is the canonical explanation, as laid out in in-game texts and a tie-in novel. Deal with it.
Ok, you've lost me completely. You're saying that STO resurrecting Data is the reason Nemesis sucked?
*leaves, comes back five minutes later and it still doesn't make sense*
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No kidding
Data did not upload anything to that other android.
I would of left him for dead if that is the Case then Kirk is alive.
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ummm..... yes he did, he uploaded all of his memories in to B4..... watch it again broseph and pay closer attention...
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No he didn't he interfaced with it but did not upload anything that is all and disconnected himself when that other android was trying to gain access.Data does carry vital information about the Enterprse and Starfleet.Shinzon was trying to gain this acces by using ther other android and Data severed the connection.
I have seen it 6 times and you I do have the Video.
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You need to watch it 7+ times then LOL
This is seen at the end of the film in Picard's office when B-4 begins to sing the song that Data sung at the wedding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S02T1j9qzwg
"I walked away from the last great Time War. I marked the passing of the Time Lords. I saw the birth of the universe and watched as time ran out, moment by moment, until nothing remained. No time, no space. Just me!"
I don't think you saw the movie 6 times if you missed the scene with him uploading all his memories to B4 to give him a better understanding and experiences.
7th time is the charm
One way or another somebody lost data and the enterprise-e.
It is rumored to have been thrown 4000 years into the future, a Mad Man in a Blue Box was also rumored to try and help them but it was a fixed point in time and he was very very sorry.
I am Il Shadow and i approve these Shennanigans!
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Holy..
Go watch it again, another 20 times infact.
Beginning of movie (7:40), Data sings Blue Skies at Riker and Troi's Wedding.
At 23:15 in the movie, you see a cable going from B4 to Data, where LaForge specifically says "I still can't believe the captain went along with the memory download" And then disconnects Data and says "Done" They even have a conversation about how Data feels about B4 having his memories.
End of Movie, B4 is sitting in Picard's quarters, and as Picard goes to leave, B4 starts to sing Blue Skies "Never saw the sun, never saw the sun", meaning, the memories Data transferred were starting to come out.
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