I don't dislike Tovan. He was fun for the campaign and an absolute need for story-telling.
However, since I'm F2P I only have 6 boff slots to use on multiple ships. And I need 2 blue Romulan Male Tactical Officers from the Embassy. Tovan is in my way to get them.
Please, let me add him as a boff 7, or let me dismiss him. I would even rename a blue embassy rommy to Tovan and let him look like Tovan looks now. I just need that particular boff for my build!
Funny thing that has happened to me though, when doing the Nimbus story arc with my Feds and Klingons - Tovan Khev speaks to me! :eek: He looks like a girl, he looks like he's Andorian, but darn it I know it's him! lol
I have a theory.......Torvan is actually an Undine shape shifter.....not only that...hes been cloned and seeded throughout the galaxy on unsuspecting ships!! :eek:
Someone open a channel to section 31 immediately! :P
However, since I'm F2P I only have 6 boff slots to use on multiple ships. And I need 2 blue Romulan Male Tactical Officers from the Embassy. Tovan is in my way to get them.
Why do you need to replace a purple Romulan Male Tac Officer with a blue one? Is there a special mission of which I'm unaware?
I think they messed up on Tovan, and the other Rom Bridge Officers a bit, because they tried to include them a lot more in the story. Same with the new Klingon tutorial Boffs, they're trying to incorporate them into the story arc, which sucks when we run out of bridge slots and have to kick them off the ship. I can't imagine that conversation...
Anyway, I'm guessing they weren't ready for all the glitches and bugs when people aren't using Tovan as a current Boff. The recently fixed Installation 18 bug, for example, which prevented anyone who didn't have him, including Fed and KDF players, from completing the mission.
Yes, we all want to kill Khev at some point, but I think Cryptic will continue to push Boffs into the story arcs, so it may be some time before we can...
I put Tovan on latrine duty and dressed him appropriately. He keeps promoting himself to First Officer, Head of Tactical, and Head of Security. He shows up on my bridge. There is no latrine duty position on my bridge.
Until I can get rid of him, he will be dressed like this Link.
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STO Forum member since before February 2010. STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
The hatred for Tovan Khev is not simply emotional and therefore a-rational, but actually irrational. It therefore cannot be understood rationally, nor explained/justified in a rational manner (as it could be if it were simply emotional and a-rational). Those who hate him will not like my observation, but the hatred is what it is (a reaction rather than a response), and no amount of rhetoric is going to obfuscate that.
I could go on, but I think it best if I leave it at that. Some of us have no problem with him, and may even like him. Others do have a problem with him. We'll have to agree to disagree about this, lest it devolve into something even more irrational.
Then you should have the option to keep him. I should have the option to get rid of him. My hatred of him is not irrational.
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STO Forum member since before February 2010. STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
I think they messed up on Tovan, and the other Rom Bridge Officers a bit, because they tried to include them a lot more in the story. Same with the new Klingon tutorial Boffs, they're trying to incorporate them into the story arc, which sucks when we run out of bridge slots and have to kick them off the ship. I can't imagine that conversation...
"Congratulations on finally getting your own command, K'Gan. Serve the Empire as well as you have served me! Qapla'!"
Fine, let him be trade-able and/or dismissible -- but then the only way to do either of those be should be dependent on a purchase from the C-Shop, and that purchase should be greater than the cost of buying two additional BOff slots -- which two additional BOff slots, you know, would allow you to station some other BOff in his place, if you were willing to spend on the game. He would, however, still pop up and give you info if you bought two additional BOff slots and didn't have him in an active station.
If you want him GONE GONE GONE, it should cost twice the price of two additional BOff slots (and then I would hope he would still pop up to give info, just to torment those who despise him so; I mean, hey, you dismissed him, so he went off to New Romulus Command and got a job as an Adjutant just so he could stay in touch). I can understand those who want to get rid of him because he doesn't fit their RP storyline. Those who just can't put some other BOff in an active station because they don't want to spend any money on the game, though, I have no sympathy for whatsoever.
I would seriously pay to be able to see people trying to dismiss Tovan by contacting Section 31 or the like and this being the result:
He keeps promoting himself to First Officer, Head of Tactical, and Head of Security. He shows up on my bridge.
Until I can get rid of him, he will be dressed like this <snip>.
So far, I've avoided him self promoting via the DOFF department head system.
But he is on my bridge!
I looked around for all my BOFFs, it's full of generic npcs, my Reman and Tovan!
I didn't dress him in pink, but he got the most bland costume I could give him.
Only the official crew members get the nice outfits!
Unwanted members get white jumpsuits!
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
I put Tovan on latrine duty and dressed him appropriately. He keeps promoting himself to First Officer, Head of Tactical, and Head of Security. He shows up on my bridge. There is no latrine duty position on my bridge.
Until I can get rid of him, he will be dressed like this Link.
Ugh, why did you go and waste a perfectly good helmet like that? :P
Seriously, I have a uhm, few, romulan characters. One or two having Tovan isn't bad and within theme. But with him being the only one with a continuing story, the one telling you where you are going and how you will do it. It makes a lot of the romulan campaign feel less like you are captain and the bridge officers are advisors and more like HE is in charge and you are the lackey here.
Seriously who sent you to the farm?
Who told you to go see Vorian?
Then told you to get a rifle, avoid getting shot, get batteries. . . I mean by the end of the tutorial he is doing the 'dance little puppet' thing. And he does not stop. . .
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
on a pure RP note I also find it amusing at the end of the tutorial when my ENGINEERING Captain is on the bridge and ol TACTICAL Tovan is down in the bowels of the warbird coaxing the engines to life while we're being shot at :P
I put Tovan on latrine duty and dressed him appropriately. He keeps promoting himself to First Officer, Head of Tactical, and Head of Security. He shows up on my bridge. There is no latrine duty position on my bridge.
Until I can get rid of him, he will be dressed like this Link.
I couldn't stop laughing for two good minutes. I guess my neighbors now consider me crazy, but the sight of that is worth it.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
They must have a cloning tanks somewhere to pour out tovan khev so much!!!
But of course they have, ever noticed how many yellowshirt vulcans the Feds have? You know who I mean, the guy who creeps you everywhere on your ship. You guys are complaining about Tovan, but you should be complaining about the cloned Section 31 operatives all around the federation!
What happened to the sister? All that time searching and all the extra dialogue and now she's just chilling out on the ship somewhere. I expected another bridge or duty officer with her. What's the deal?
What happened to the sister? All that time searching and all the extra dialogue and now she's just chilling out on the ship somewhere. I expected another bridge or duty officer with her. What's the deal?
I think they messed up on Tovan, and the other Rom Bridge Officers a bit, because they tried to include them a lot more in the story. Same with the new Klingon tutorial Boffs, they're trying to incorporate them into the story arc, which sucks when we run out of bridge slots and have to kick them off the ship. I can't imagine that conversation...
Well at least they made the Klingon ones dismissable. It's funny, they do Klingon stuff on rare ocassions, but at least they do it right.
Anyway, I don't think I'd ever dismiss K'Gan from my ship. Not after the way he dissed the warden and the Torg puppets at Rura Penthe. I like the guy, besides he's puprle quality.
And I don't think I'll ever dismiss Ch'Gren as well. He's only green, but I don't have the heart to deprive a honorable Klingon of the chance to redeem the honor for his par'mach'kai, so her soul can be allowed into Sto'vo'kor. He's on such a noble and in a weird way romantic quest.
The lizzard and the clones on the other hand....well, we'll see...
Seriously who sent you to the farm?
Who told you to go see Vorian?
Then told you to get a rifle, avoid getting shot, get batteries. . . I mean by the end of the tutorial he is doing the 'dance little puppet' thing. And he does not stop. . .
Well to be honest, he was the chief of security on Virinat. So it's natural for him to give away the orders.
And I really never got that vibe from him, that he's trying to command my ship. To me it felt like a ship belonging to a rebel militia without clear chain of command yet, so the relations between crewmembers are a bit loose and Tovan as a close friend from Virinat just giving suggestions. Something like the relations between the crew of the Andromeda Ascendant if you watched Roddenberry's Andromeda.
I can see why people would like to dismiss him and it was a fail on Cryptic's behalf for not allowing so, but some people are also blowing it way out of proportion.
He's tied with the VO work in the Republic missions, so what if they made him obtainable again if you want to do those missions again? For ex., you have dismissed Tovan and want to replay some of the missions, but you can't without him - then you have to go back and redo the first mission that will allow for Tovan to join the crew again. That could be one workaround, but I seriously doubt that Cryptic will invest the time and effort to make this possible.
Well to be honest, he was the chief of security on Virinat. So it's natural for him to give away the orders.
And I really never got that vibe from him, that he's trying to command my ship. To me it felt like a ship belonging to a rebel militia without clear chain of command yet, so the relations between crewmembers are a bit loose and Tovan as a close friend from Virinat just giving suggestions. Something like the relations between the crew of the Andromeda Ascendant if you watched Roddenberry's Andromeda.
I can see why people would like to dismiss him and it was a fail on Cryptic's behalf for not allowing so, but some people are also blowing it way out of proportion.
He's tied with the VO work in the Republic missions, so what if they made him obtainable again if you want to do those missions again? For ex., you have dismissed Tovan and want to replay some of the missions, but you can't without him - then you have to go back and redo the first mission that will allow for Tovan to join the crew again. That could be one workaround, but I seriously doubt that Cryptic will invest the time and effort to make this possible.
First, I think Nevala was the security chief. She is mentioned by the lore keeper as taking on that duty, and Tovan mentions the chief wanting him to check some sensor recordings.
If there is no clear chain of command can I leave his ship and go somewhere else? No he keeps following you.
The missions tied to him alone are the arc with the fool Tal Shiar agent that keeps trying to recruit you. Personally she should be shot. You like someone or not, you want to prove you are a good guy or not. You do not hand out the routes and estimated strengths of your prisoner transports to people that are supposedly working for terrorists.
And I saw what Cryptic was trying. SWTOR has a fleet of interesting and different NPCs you pickup by character class. But where they missed is that in SWTOR they make comments on the world, enemy actions, etc. During play, if they are there. They made a bunch of names and gave one of them so big a role he begins to overshadow the player. If he was first, optional, and second less in your face about being there, he would be great. I have had my chosen first officer image using his voice and name. He does call down to micro manage landing parties he is not on.
What I think they should have done, if they really wanted to ripoff SWTOR, is have all the voiced characters have a few things to say if they are present. Space combat, maybe Veril can comment on how much damage we are taking. Tovan could have commented on the ship we locked onto. Make the ship feel more alive.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
jot down all the stats in the tailor about tovans face body exact details etc
( its alot of work but ive done it with satra the sci boff from the helix )
Now create a new toon use those settings to create...a perfect carbon copy tovan khev clone
then get your whole bridge crew male romulans repeat process and voila an army of tovan khevs
yes this is possible im thinking of doing it myself just to see what peopl say when they see an army of khevs arriving on the scene lol
Fine, let him be trade-able and/or dismissible -- but then the only way to do either of those be should be dependent on a purchase from the C-Shop, and that purchase should be greater than the cost of buying two additional BOff slots -- which two additional BOff slots, you know, would allow you to station some other BOff in his place, if you were willing to spend on the game. He would, however, still pop up and give you info if you bought two additional BOff slots and didn't have him in an active station.
If you want him GONE GONE GONE, it should cost twice the price of two additional BOff slots (and then I would hope he would still pop up to give info, just to torment those who despise him so; I mean, hey, you dismissed him, so he went off to New Romulus Command and got a job as an Adjutant just so he could stay in touch). I can understand those who want to get rid of him because he doesn't fit their RP storyline. Those who just can't put some other BOff in an active station because they don't want to spend any money on the game, though, I have no sympathy for whatsoever.
I would seriously pay to be able to see people trying to dismiss Tovan by contacting Section 31 or the like and this being the result:
That's hilarious.
Talk about irrational. You have come up with a whole new system for MMOs to make money through extortion, though. Congratulations.
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STO Forum member since before February 2010. STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
So far, I've avoided him self promoting via the DOFF department head system.
How? He pops in almost every map change for me.
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STO Forum member since before February 2010. STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
jot down all the stats in the tailor about tovans face body exact details etc
( its alot of work but ive done it with satra the sci boff from the helix )
Now create a new toon use those settings to create...a perfect carbon copy tovan khev clone
then get your whole bridge crew male romulans repeat process and voila an army of tovan khevs
yes this is possible im thinking of doing it myself just to see what peopl say when they see an army of khevs arriving on the scene lol
I just hope you will dress him/them appropriately. :P
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STO Forum member since before February 2010. STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
that's part of the Boff reseating bug. If the bug unseats your boffs the game will try to "fix" it by seating boffs that fit..... Tovan is apparently immune to the bug.
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STO Forum member since before February 2010. STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
Actually, my hypothesis is that it is due to how RR players can use either RR Boffs or Ally Boffs. I think they recoded the way the game checks to see if Boffs are usable. But the current version is subject to lag, and glitches if it gets a lag spike.
I was thinking about it some more, and realized that it glitches least often on the Boffs I've had longest. For most of my fed chars, this is my Lib Borg Eng. This suggests that it evaluates the boffs in sequential order. For RR players that means Tovan is usually first.
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However, since I'm F2P I only have 6 boff slots to use on multiple ships. And I need 2 blue Romulan Male Tactical Officers from the Embassy. Tovan is in my way to get them.
Please, let me add him as a boff 7, or let me dismiss him. I would even rename a blue embassy rommy to Tovan and let him look like Tovan looks now. I just need that particular boff for my build!
Join the Deltas today!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
I have a theory.......Torvan is actually an Undine shape shifter.....not only that...hes been cloned and seeded throughout the galaxy on unsuspecting ships!! :eek:
Someone open a channel to section 31 immediately! :P
I can still move.
I can still fight.
I will never give up!
He is a Vorta spy.....can I kill him now?:D
Anyway, I'm guessing they weren't ready for all the glitches and bugs when people aren't using Tovan as a current Boff. The recently fixed Installation 18 bug, for example, which prevented anyone who didn't have him, including Fed and KDF players, from completing the mission.
Yes, we all want to kill Khev at some point, but I think Cryptic will continue to push Boffs into the story arcs, so it may be some time before we can...
I put Tovan on latrine duty and dressed him appropriately. He keeps promoting himself to First Officer, Head of Tactical, and Head of Security. He shows up on my bridge. There is no latrine duty position on my bridge.
Until I can get rid of him, he will be dressed like this Link.
STO Forum member since before February 2010.
STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link
I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
Then you should have the option to keep him. I should have the option to get rid of him. My hatred of him is not irrational.
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STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link
I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
If you want him GONE GONE GONE, it should cost twice the price of two additional BOff slots (and then I would hope he would still pop up to give info, just to torment those who despise him so; I mean, hey, you dismissed him, so he went off to New Romulus Command and got a job as an Adjutant just so he could stay in touch). I can understand those who want to get rid of him because he doesn't fit their RP storyline. Those who just can't put some other BOff in an active station because they don't want to spend any money on the game, though, I have no sympathy for whatsoever.
I would seriously pay to be able to see people trying to dismiss Tovan by contacting Section 31 or the like and this being the result:
That's hilarious.
So far, I've avoided him self promoting via the DOFF department head system.
But he is on my bridge!
I looked around for all my BOFFs, it's full of generic npcs, my Reman and Tovan!
I didn't dress him in pink, but he got the most bland costume I could give him.
Only the official crew members get the nice outfits!
Unwanted members get white jumpsuits!
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Ugh, why did you go and waste a perfectly good helmet like that? :P
Seriously, I have a uhm, few, romulan characters. One or two having Tovan isn't bad and within theme. But with him being the only one with a continuing story, the one telling you where you are going and how you will do it. It makes a lot of the romulan campaign feel less like you are captain and the bridge officers are advisors and more like HE is in charge and you are the lackey here.
Seriously who sent you to the farm?
Who told you to go see Vorian?
Then told you to get a rifle, avoid getting shot, get batteries. . . I mean by the end of the tutorial he is doing the 'dance little puppet' thing. And he does not stop. . .
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
I couldn't stop laughing for two good minutes. I guess my neighbors now consider me crazy, but the sight of that is worth it.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
But of course they have, ever noticed how many yellowshirt vulcans the Feds have? You know who I mean, the guy who creeps you everywhere on your ship. You guys are complaining about Tovan, but you should be complaining about the cloned Section 31 operatives all around the federation!
Well at least they made the Klingon ones dismissable. It's funny, they do Klingon stuff on rare ocassions, but at least they do it right.
Anyway, I don't think I'd ever dismiss K'Gan from my ship. Not after the way he dissed the warden and the Torg puppets at Rura Penthe.
And I don't think I'll ever dismiss Ch'Gren as well. He's only green, but I don't have the heart to deprive a honorable Klingon of the chance to redeem the honor for his par'mach'kai, so her soul can be allowed into Sto'vo'kor. He's on such a noble and in a weird way romantic quest.
The lizzard and the clones on the other hand....well, we'll see...
Okay, that was hillarious! lol :P:D
Well to be honest, he was the chief of security on Virinat. So it's natural for him to give away the orders.
And I really never got that vibe from him, that he's trying to command my ship. To me it felt like a ship belonging to a rebel militia without clear chain of command yet, so the relations between crewmembers are a bit loose and Tovan as a close friend from Virinat just giving suggestions. Something like the relations between the crew of the Andromeda Ascendant if you watched Roddenberry's Andromeda.
I can see why people would like to dismiss him and it was a fail on Cryptic's behalf for not allowing so, but some people are also blowing it way out of proportion.
He's tied with the VO work in the Republic missions, so what if they made him obtainable again if you want to do those missions again? For ex., you have dismissed Tovan and want to replay some of the missions, but you can't without him - then you have to go back and redo the first mission that will allow for Tovan to join the crew again. That could be one workaround, but I seriously doubt that Cryptic will invest the time and effort to make this possible.
Player Controlled outranks NPC.
On my ship, the Candy Vending machines outrank Tovan.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
First, I think Nevala was the security chief. She is mentioned by the lore keeper as taking on that duty, and Tovan mentions the chief wanting him to check some sensor recordings.
If there is no clear chain of command can I leave his ship and go somewhere else? No he keeps following you.
The missions tied to him alone are the arc with the fool Tal Shiar agent that keeps trying to recruit you. Personally she should be shot. You like someone or not, you want to prove you are a good guy or not. You do not hand out the routes and estimated strengths of your prisoner transports to people that are supposedly working for terrorists.
And I saw what Cryptic was trying. SWTOR has a fleet of interesting and different NPCs you pickup by character class. But where they missed is that in SWTOR they make comments on the world, enemy actions, etc. During play, if they are there. They made a bunch of names and gave one of them so big a role he begins to overshadow the player. If he was first, optional, and second less in your face about being there, he would be great. I have had my chosen first officer image using his voice and name. He does call down to micro manage landing parties he is not on.
What I think they should have done, if they really wanted to ripoff SWTOR, is have all the voiced characters have a few things to say if they are present. Space combat, maybe Veril can comment on how much damage we are taking. Tovan could have commented on the ship we locked onto. Make the ship feel more alive.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
My character Tsin'xing
jot down all the stats in the tailor about tovans face body exact details etc
( its alot of work but ive done it with satra the sci boff from the helix )
Now create a new toon use those settings to create...a perfect carbon copy tovan khev clone
then get your whole bridge crew male romulans repeat process and voila an army of tovan khevs
yes this is possible im thinking of doing it myself just to see what peopl say when they see an army of khevs arriving on the scene lol
Talk about irrational. You have come up with a whole new system for MMOs to make money through extortion, though. Congratulations.
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I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
How? He pops in almost every map change for me.
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I just hope you will dress him/them appropriately. :P
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My character Tsin'xing
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I was thinking about it some more, and realized that it glitches least often on the Boffs I've had longest. For most of my fed chars, this is my Lib Borg Eng. This suggests that it evaluates the boffs in sequential order. For RR players that means Tovan is usually first.
My character Tsin'xing
Nobody asked your opinion!
If you look at the left side of the screen, you can see the actual BOFF who should have been talking.
As to how I stopped him taking over Department Head stations, I don't know how.
I'm just thankful he doesn't!
Maybe it thinks the active ship BOFFs take priority over the ones who aren't slotted in a BOFF station.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad