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sheppardussheppardus Member Posts: 110 Arc User
I would love to know with the latest books introducing a new DS9 station whether STO will be looking into implementing this into the game at some point?

The new station looks cool from the cover of the book and after reading about it in the story I think it'd be a cool station to have, especially for social areas such as the large parkland that is incorporated into the design that has adjustable gravity for flying (could take over as a permanent place to use the floaters from Risa)
Here are a couple of pics that have been put up to show what the station looks like with the park evident at the centre of the station

http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/articles/the-fall12.jpg
http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/articles/the-fall13.jpg

Edit. This isn't a thread to say Replace DS9 with the new design, but maybe possibly use the design for any new starbases in the future (I realise I should have been a bit more careful with the thread title)
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  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Highly unlikely. Cryptic/PWE would have to get the rights to use the design from the book owners....
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  • sheppardussheppardus Member Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Not that unlikely as they have managed to do it to get the Vesta class ship, and were also looking into getting access for new ships from the Voyager books like the Merian class & Mulcier classes
  • sfc#5932 sfc Member Posts: 992 Bug Hunter
    edited September 2013
    sheppardus wrote: »
    Not that unlikely as they have managed to do it to get the Vesta class ship, and were also looking into getting access for new ships from the Voyager books like the Merian class & Mulcier classes
    The Vesta took 2 years to be put ingame.

    This tells you that licenses are nasty business.
  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    The timeline in the books is totally different to the timeline in the game. yes they sometimes take the odd character or ship because it makes no difference to the overall story.

    They are highly unlikely to add that new DS9 because they would have to use their own story of why DS9 was destroyed and I see no reason why they would do that.

    When you play the game you want to visually see the station you know from the show, not some brand new design only a small group of people will have seen. I'm all for them adding new starbases around the galaxy but no need to destroy such an iconic station in a visually heavy medium such as a game.
  • sunseahlsunseahl Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I agree that that DS9 looks "cool"


    but it also looks completely impractical.....


    A huge ship-sized forcefield hole in one of the largest parts of the station.... Just to show off a park? Who designed this starbase? They need a good Telerite beating....
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  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Even if they could get it.

    NO! NOOOOOO!

    You really want to upset every DS9 series fan by using a moderate station design from a book?



    Let me get this straight: the moment DS9 will look like that is the moment I stop visiting DS9. For anything, including missions.
  • sheppardussheppardus Member Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I am not stating that they replace DS9 with the new starbase in game, but as it would be a new design it might be good if they create new stations in the future to use it instead of the standard spacedock layout
  • sunseahlsunseahl Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    personally i'd rather have a Fed starbase that looked like the Treasure Trading Station..... now THAT was a nice station.
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  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    This will never happen as DS9 cardassian is well known by every fan replacing it with the standard fed station like in the book would not only upset Ds9 fans like myself but also anyone who is new to the game going to this station would get confused if it has changed.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Please consider this:

    If you were starfleet, would you:

    1: Do massive, costly upgrades to a small old mining station / create a new station based on alien designs?

    2: Build a time-proof, standard station that everybody knew, and was build for the purpose.

    DS9, while being a iconic Star Trek station is in reality nothing more than a mining station, that wasn't build for anything other than that. It's not a combat station... It's barely even designed for living quarters, and especially not federation living quarters.

    It's not a practical design either as the pylons constantly get in the way of weapons targeting (indicated by the need to install extra weapons modules on them), and severely limits what kind of ships can dock at any given location, further limited by the number of shuttles that can be assigned at any given time.

    All in all, the -nor type station-design is a poor choice for a sector hub station, were the larger cardassian and federation stations, with internal docking options or large circular docking rings are a far better choice.

    Basically, while looking pretty, the design in the pictures is just as poor as the DS9 design, and somehow, I just don't see Starfleet spending resources on upgrading/building such a design... Much like the original STO ESD.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,014 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Like other people said, removing the iconic design from the show would be a killer. Especially since this "new" DS9 doesn't make any sense. If the current station would be destroyed, why for targs sake would the federation construct a station that resembles Terak Nor? Remember, this station is a symbol of opression and terror - they just continue to use it because it's there and it works. Rebuilding the station in a way the novel suggests would be a slap in every Bajoran's face I suppose.

    If DS9 was to be substituted for another Starbase I'd prefer the Starfleet standard-issue Starbase. We have too few of those in game anyway :D
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    ESD used to have a very different appearance - as it was designed to look like a 25th century Starbase. Everyone wanted the iconic 23rd century mushroom base and so it was changed to that. I'd imagine the same thing would happen to DS9 - especially when you consider what small percentage of Trek fans read Trek novels and would even know the design was changed in a book.

    There's already enough complaints about how large DS9 is from people who don't understand why it needs to be so large. We don't need a bunch of screaming on the forum from people who have no idea what book it would be from.
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  • sitheachsitheach Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    If CBS has the rights to DS9 now (i have no idea) then I'd imagine there'd be no way they'd OK this. Because they still have a product that still sells. And it's not that book..
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Oh look, it's this thread again. :rolleyes: What's going on lately, is it "beat a dead horse" time of the year? :confused:

    So seriously OP, let's see - you want to switch the iconic Cardassian-style DS9 that was the main area of events for DS9, a show that went on for 7 seasons and has many fans with something seen on a book cover of a book that I'm safe to say 90% of the people playing STO probably never even heard about, let alone read it?

    Uhm, how about no?
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    Oh look, it's this thread again. :rolleyes: What's going on lately, is it "beat a dead horse" time of the year? :confused:

    Time of year? It's the "BEAT THE DEAD HORSE TILL THERES NOTHING LEFT" - year.

    "New-style DS9", "Can we have the Vengance", "Can we have the JJ-Prise", "Can we have Borg ships", "Please rescale everything"... Just to name what I've seen today.
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  • rhakatheredrhakathered Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Like other people said, removing the iconic design from the show would be a killer. Especially since this "new" DS9 doesn't make any sense. If the current station would be destroyed, why for targs sake would the federation construct a station that resembles Terak Nor? Remember, this station is a symbol of opression and terror - they just continue to use it because it's there and it works. Rebuilding the station in a way the novel suggests would be a slap in every Bajoran's face I suppose.
    And add to that that it's not even a good design, apparently done or ordered by someone who doesn't understand how form should follow function - just observe how the docking ports for large ships were connected and turned the station into some sort of spinning top with sci-fi science holes (tm).
  • hrisvalarhrisvalar Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Won't happen. Even apart from not having the license to it, the simple truth is that most people who feel one way or another about Trek do so because of the series, and read exactly 0 Star Trek novels. They wouldn't recognize the station. They do recognize Deep Space Nine. It would be a mayor marketing f-up to go and replace it.

    The Vesta is a special case, only because the Vesta doesn't replace anything. It can appeal to those who have an appalling taste in literature, and at the same time not tick off those who don't. ;)
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  • sunseahlsunseahl Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    It's FAR, FAR easier for the Federation to maintain DS9 in it's Cardassian skin because of the relationship the federation now has with the Cardassian Union after the Dominion War... what with Cardassians rebuilding Cardassia Prime it's easier for Starfleet to commission replacement visualization parts for DS9 for the station than just running through the whole station with Starfleet-issue Diranium plating and a hand phaser to weld it on....
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Heres something for you to think about

    A new DS9 construced using bajoran architecture and designs :)
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I could visualize renovations that would make it larger/look somewhat different. But a totally new station? nuh-uh.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Ohh God what is it AHHH MY EYES!!! AHHHH THEY BURN!!!

    How dare you want you change great Cardassian architecture. Star Fleet has no such taste and would be a crime to the galaxy to remove a work of Art
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  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    sheppardus wrote: »
    Not that unlikely as they have managed to do it to get the Vesta class ship, and were also looking into getting access for new ships from the Voyager books like the Merian class & Mulcier classes

    The massive and obvious difference here is money. The Vesta and any other ships they may or may not be looking into getting are done for the purpose of selling them and making cash.

    Why would Cryptic go through the hassle of legal hurdles that are likely to be expensive, for a model that most people will hate and won't make them money?
  • sunseahlsunseahl Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Ohh God what is it AHHH MY EYES!!! AHHHH THEY BURN!!!

    How dare you want you change great Cardassian architecture. Star Fleet has no such taste and would be a crime to the galaxy to remove a work of Art

    As much as i hate to..... I kinda agree, Dukat.... BTW... you still got some of those "faithful" pills? I'm trying to gather a..... group of persons to a particular cause.....
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  • valenn1valenn1 Member Posts: 842 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    No, thank you, no new DS 9 needed.
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  • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    As others have said, making new space stations is a good thing. Just not as a replacement as the iconic elements from the tv shows/films. I'd love to see more of the mushroom type spacedocks, but I'd also love to see the old esd station pop up here and there.


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  • sheppardussheppardus Member Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    So seriously OP, let's see - you want to switch the iconic Cardassian-style DS9 that was the main area of events for DS9, a show that went on for 7 seasons and has many fans with something seen on a book cover of a book that I'm safe to say 90% of the people playing STO probably never even heard about, let alone read it?

    Please note I never said I wanted DS9 replaced with the new design, if you actually read what I said
    [/QUOTE]I would love to know with the latest books introducing a new DS9 station whether STO will be looking into implementing this into the game at some point?[/QUOTE]

    You will see that I mentioned the books introducing the new DS9 station and not STO to replace the current DS9, granted I could have made it a bit more clear mentioning that I'd like to see the station design as a possibility in game than doing a replacement

    Also just realised my title was a bit ambiguous whoops
  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    edited September 2013
    I have no idea on the licensing side of things.

    Personally, I am not a fan of gyroscope/flying buttress space station designs like this, or the old ESD.

    I do not expect we'll be swapping out DS9.
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  • ussdelphin2ussdelphin2 Member Posts: 525 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    rahmkota19 wrote: »
    Even if they could get it.

    NO! NOOOOOO!

    You really want to upset every DS9 series fan by using a moderate station design from a book?



    Let me get this straight: the moment DS9 will look like that is the moment I stop visiting DS9. For anything, including missions.

    I have to agree with Captain Forehead, DS9 is a much better station than the one on that book cover. Maybe they could build one of those in the Gamma or Delta quadrants.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    tacofangs wrote: »
    I have no idea on the licensing side of things.

    Personally, I am not a fan of gyroscope/flying buttress space station designs like this, or the old ESD.

    I do not expect we'll be swapping out DS9.

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  • sunseahlsunseahl Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    The Taco has spoken /thread

    Don't you mean the Tumor has winnowed?
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