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Has PWE given up on adding more federation ships from the shows?

akulaeasternakulaeastern Member Posts: 27 Arc User
edited September 2013 in Federation Discussion
I haven't played in probably 9 months but I patched up and logged in yesterday only to find that PWE hasn't added any new canon federation ships. Has PWE given up on adding ships like:

Niagara
New Orleans
Freedom
Challenger
Springfield
Constellation
Curry
Soyuz
ect...
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    reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    So a bunch of kitbashes that we only ever saw glimpses of their floating remains and a frigate that was retired over a century ago?
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    sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Who knows. Their concentration seems to be on scam box and lobi ships these days; especially since LOR came out.

    Off the top of my head, I think the Vesta was the last Federation ship to come out.
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    mustafatennickmustafatennick Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    You already have the biggest choice in ships and content yet you want more???

    The federation will be the last to get a new ship they need to supply the romulans with their p2w fix first then they'll skip over the Klingons and get back to you

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    ufpterrellufpterrell Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Personally I'd love to see the Constellation class i.e Stargazer. It's a great looking ship :). As well as that I'd love to see the Merian class, a great redo of the miranda :). I know we won't see them but the designs for the Romulans from SFC would be ace.
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    cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    From what I understand, Cryptic has to get some approval from CBS concerning the ships (among other things). That's a legal process that is more complicated than we could know about.
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    eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,000 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    From what I understand, Cryptic has to get some approval from CBS concerning the ships (among other things). That's a legal process that is more complicated than we could know about.

    The Vesta was from one of the novels. PWE now have access to the content from the ST books now.

    Branflakes did a thread sometime ago about players should be seeing some ships flying around on Tribble. There are new ships in the pipeline
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    akulaeasternakulaeastern Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    So a bunch of kitbashes that we only ever saw glimpses of their floating remains and a frigate that was retired over a century ago?

    Yep if you want me to open my pocketbook that's what it's going to take. Frankly about 50% of the cryptic designed ships are really rough and are worse then any ship you saw on screen including the DS9 Yeager. Cryptic would have been better off if they hired Okuda and Eaves to do work here. Plus the Best of Both Worlds ships were really well done especially the New Orleans and the scratch built Niagara and Freedom. For me, and I would argue a lot of folks, Star Trek Online would be better if it could incorporate more elements (ships, phasers, ect...) from on screen.
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    senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Sorry, but if anyone needs more ships its the KDF, and not the Feds.
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    johnny111971johnny111971 Member Posts: 1,300 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    More ships... please for the love of all things holy... no more ships for a while (or throw the KDF some love with a couple ships)... but seriously the Feds dont need any more ships for a while...

    Content PLEASE, PvP Update, Gateway Update, Foundry Update, Exploration zones, pick one.. pick them all... but for the love of god... NO MORE SHIPS... why do we need new ships to fly around the same old tired content.

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    psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    The only Federation ships I'm interested in are the Merian and Allegiance-classes. The others are just kitbashes that wouldn't look good in STO.

    I want more Romulan and KDF ships instead.
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    cyckathcyckath Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Would love to see the Constellation, but again not at the expense of other content
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    meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    sunfrancks wrote: »
    Who knows. Their concentration seems to be on scam box and lobi ships these days; especially since LOR came out.

    PWE policy in this is governed by Rule of Acquisition 82: "The flimsier the product, the higher the price." Aka, 'boring' Feds ships don't sell, exotic lockbox ships do.
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    capnshadow27capnshadow27 Member Posts: 1,731 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Yeah the feds have more ships. But seriously? we have NOTHING that can match KDF for customization, FFS look at the b'rel, all UNI, with an enhanced battle cloak.

    At the very least the ships that have cloaks should be inherent instead of consoles.

    And no i DO NOT want a version of the B'Rel for FED's.

    Im just saying would you rather have your effective and good ships, or be flooded with ships that cannot pull the only role worthwhile in the game?
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    dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited September 2013
    We may have a light ship with Universal BOFFs it's good at being a Sci ship and an Escort. But the Bird of Prey, a ship that severely pays for it's Battle Cloak and Customisation is massively outclassed in this era of the game. The T'Varo, Dhelan, Mogai & Ha'Feh all Battle Cloak, all come in Tier 5 & Fleet and none of them pay for the privilege of Battle Cloak.

    But look at the Fed line up, you pretty much have every conceivable BOFF layout.

    I would be happy if they never made another new* faction ship for this game but instead focused some attention on end game stuff. 8 STFs, 6 of them are around from the start of the game. How about a new Rep and a new STF maybe not even Borg related, surely a series of Iconian STFs would be justifiable.

    But you know make a Fleet version of the Missing ships like the Atrox, Galaxy Dreadnough, Garumba, Kar'fi and others I've forgotten.
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    capnshadow27capnshadow27 Member Posts: 1,731 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    We may have a light ship with Universal BOFFs it's good at being a Sci ship and an Escort. But the Bird of Prey, a ship that severely pays for it's Battle Cloak and Customisation is massively outclassed in this era of the game. The T'Varo, Dhelan, Mogai & Ha'Feh all Battle Cloak, all come in Tier 5 & Fleet and none of them pay for the privilege of Battle Cloak.

    But look at the Fed line up, you pretty much have every conceivable BOFF layout.

    I would be happy if they never made another new* faction ship for this game but instead focused some attention on end game stuff. 8 STFs, 6 of them are around from the start of the game. How about a new Rep and a new STF maybe not even Borg related, surely a series of Iconian STFs would be justifiable.

    But you know make a Fleet version of the Missing ships like the Atrox, Galaxy Dreadnough, Garumba, Kar'fi and others I've forgotten.

    I do concur with this, Fleet versions of ships are greatly needed, especially on both sides. And yes the Roms got a hell of a gimmik line-up. Otherwise i don't think many people would have flocked into a romulan.

    I made a rom, simply for the fact that i wanted a scimitar and was sorely dissapointed by that ship. I havea ctually been toying with making another KDF player simply for carrier carnage. Though im unsure of what proffesion to roll with.

    Frankly i think i would like the damage capabilities. And i REALLY want a Kar'Fi so i can have fun with frigates.
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    f9thaceshighf9thaceshigh Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    The only Federation ships I'm interested in are the Merian and Allegiance-classes. The others are just kitbashes that wouldn't look good in STO.

    I want more Romulan and KDF ships instead.


    Dare I point out the irony in that statement?


    Both the Merian and the Allegiance classes are kitbashes themselves. The Merian is a Miranda built from Vesta parts and the Allegiance is a mix of Sovereign and Galaxy parts.

    And by the way, the Vesta doesn't mean Cryptic has carte-blanche to use all the novel/fanon ships, they had to get special permission to use it from CBS, and only did so because of the huge demand for it on the Forum.
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    capnshadow27capnshadow27 Member Posts: 1,731 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Huge demand on the forum? May i direct you to the galaxy beef thread where the galaxy remains the same?
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    corelogikcorelogik Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I'd do without more ships, if we could have a larger selection of ground weapons. More rifle and pistol types, more melee weapons aside from a sword, lirpa and bat'leth,...
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    starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I'm with the KDF guys. We Feddies are spoiled for choice already, and quite frankly I don't see why several of ours are even in the game. I'm talking specifically about the Constitution-, Miranda-, and Excelsior-classes, all of which date back to freaking Kirk's era and should be in a museum, not the front lines. (The NX-class doesn't count since it's a modern ship built to look like an NX.)

    The Romulans need ships and content more than either we or the KDF do, to be perfectly honest.
    Huge demand on the forum? May i direct you to the galaxy beef thread where the galaxy remains the same?

    You mean the one that's almost hit the 300 page mark? :D
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    yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    ...
    And by the way, the Vesta doesn't mean Cryptic has carte-blanche to use all the novel/fanon ships, they had to get special permission to use it from CBS, and only did so because of the huge demand for it on the Forum.

    Strange... when it comes to the Galaxy Class, Cryptic is ignoring the Forum completely....
    (that's no criticism against you, but against cryptic)


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    You mean the one that's almost hit the 300 page mark? :D
    He surely meant the one hitting almost the 3000 replies mark.
    You know the one which has over 93000 views. LINK :)
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    bridgernbridgern Member Posts: 709 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    starswordc wrote: »
    Constitution-, Miranda-, and Excelsior-classes, all of which date back to freaking Kirk's era and should be in a museum, not the front lines.

    The B'rel class Bird of Prey is also from the Kirk era and T'Varo is even from Archers era and it is one of the best escorts in the game.
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    loukocloukoc Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    bridgern wrote: »
    The B'rel class Bird of Prey is also from the Kirk era and T'Varo is even from Archers era and it is one of the best escorts in the game.

    Those are retrofitted. Actually, since B'rel Retrofit was in the sixth movie, the 2409 one is the Retrofit of a Retrofit...

    I don't care a lot about ships but I think KDF would be better off with a new ship. Feds already have a million ships and they only use Kumari, Vesta and Defiant...
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    capnshadow27capnshadow27 Member Posts: 1,731 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I use all of my ships mostly equally, dont own vesta's or kumari's.

    So thats an unfair statement, as i see alot of different ships puttering about.

    But i gotta say i wish i could forcefull board a Kar'Fi slaughter the crew nad keep it for my wown.
    Inertia just means you can do Powerslides in you carrier!
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    loukocloukoc Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    But i gotta say i wish i could forcefull board a Kar'Fi slaughter the crew nad keep it for my wown.

    Well you're a model Starfleet officer...
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    capnshadow27capnshadow27 Member Posts: 1,731 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Spoilsport.

    Fine board and CAPTURE the crew. Then put in a request signed in triplicate to command the ship myself
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    sparcehvsparcehv Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I just use 2 ships, an Armitage and a fleet SCI. More than enough ships for me. And I`m not the guy that spends money on a ship, to trade it a half year later for a new ship. IMHO the ships currently ingame should be put to more use like the Nebula, Galaxy e.d.
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    drowrulesupremedrowrulesupreme Member Posts: 692 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Dare I point out the irony in that statement?


    Both the Merian and the Allegiance classes are kitbashes themselves. The Merian is a Miranda built from Vesta parts and the Allegiance is a mix of Sovereign and Galaxy parts.

    And by the way, the Vesta doesn't mean Cryptic has carte-blanche to use all the novel/fanon ships, they had to get special permission to use it from CBS, and only did so because of the huge demand for it on the Forum.

    I'm not trying to pick a fight here but I was under the impression that the Merian Class was designed by Mark Rademaker for the 2012 Ships of the Line calendar and is not in any way a kitbash (the term "kitbash" meaning built from various model kits to create a "new" ship (see Yeager Class : built from and intrepid and a maquis raider/peregrine). Whilst Mark Rademaker did indeed design the Vesta, and the looks will therefore include design elements of said Vesta in the final images, his own words on the the Merian are that he wanted to update the Miranda class design (one he loved) with a more modern feel.
    The Allegiance class is, again, not a kitbash as it has never appeared in model form but does, as you rightly point out, contain design elements of both the Galaxy class and Sovereign class (with the original creator/designer/artist clearly wanting to show a progression from one to the other).

    I'm not a fan of the Allegiance, it just doesn't "do it" for me, but I'd welcome it if they did the Galaxy justice first and maybe used the Allegiance skin as a variant.
    The Merian, however, I'd fly in a heartbeat. Love the looks and the rollbar, but then I'm a big fan of Miranda variants (with the Soyuz being my favourite despite the lack of rollbar, I know, I'm fickle).
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    dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited September 2013
    bridgern wrote: »
    The B'rel class Bird of Prey is also from the Kirk era and T'Varo is even from Archers era and it is one of the best escorts in the game.

    I think Klingons would be happy to give up the B'Rel skin if we had 3 choices or more for every ship design. The B'Rel can only look like a B'Rel the B'Rolth skin doesn't appear to work nor does the Koloth according to some.

    But the B'Rel is one of the most inconsistent ships in Star Trek capable of going against the Enterprise D and being seen in Deep Space 9 and there's probably one or two in Voyager. It's size is anywhere from 50 meters to 250.

    Klingons design one ship and keep re-engineering it to keep it current. The Federation change designs at the drop of a hat. The other answer is CBS said yes to the B'Rel at Fleet level and T5.
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    bridgernbridgern Member Posts: 709 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    There are two types of KDF BoP in canon Star Trek

    1.) B'rel - Scout
    2.) K'vort - Cruiser

    Do you really think Starfleet build a ship and never touches it again, there is a continuous upgrade process going on within Starfleet.

    Some of this upgrades can be done by the crew of the starship others can only be made in drydocks.

    The perfect example for this is the USS Lakota an Excelsior class starship upgraded to be able take out ships like the USS Defiant.

    Another good example is the USS Pegasus an Oberth class starship that was used as a prototype ship to test new engines, weapons, shields and an illegal clocking device and if Starfleet is testing this on a ship class that is as old and maybe older as the Constitution and the Miranda class they should be able to upgrade those ship classes with state of the art technology.

    PS: CBS said only NO! to a TOS T5 Constitution class.
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