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I regret buying the Atrox

atalossataloss Member Posts: 563 Arc User
edited September 2013 in Federation Discussion
I gave it 25 days to impress me. But I'm just sick to my stomach with my Atrox. What was I thinking? It does nothing well except take a pounding? I don't like flying a "beam boat" (compared to my psuedo-tactical vesta with Dual heavy cannons). If I didn't have those scorpion pets I don't know what I would have done?

Out of curiosity, how often does Cryptic re-balance ships after they release them? What I mean is will they ever give the Atrox a Universal Ensign slot or Universal Lieutenant slot?

Maybe if the Atrox had the same bridge officer layout as my Vesta I'd be ok with it. As of now I can't even look at the ship while I play the game.

Ok that'll be all, you may return to your exciting lives.
One day Cryptic will be free from their Perfect World overlord. Until that day comes, they will continue to pamper the whales of this game, and ignore everyone that isn't a whale.
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    sfc#5932 sfc Member Posts: 992 Bug Hunter
    edited August 2013
    You should really research before you buy -

    The Atrox is a reskinned Vo'Quv, and it is essential to make it a beam boat and broadside. Just like the Vo'quv, it has no cannon abilities. You've been spoiled by the Vesta - it is the only unique TAC/SCI starship. The Atrox, is simply, what it is.
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    atalossataloss Member Posts: 563 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    It's not till Last Friday I found out that it was a re-skinned Vo'Quv. By that time I already played with it for three weeks. Buyers remorse doesn't even describe how I feel.

    If I knew then what I know now I would have brought a Galaxy Tactical version or 16 lock box keys and try to save up for a Lobi ship.

    Other question, how many lock box keys do you need to get the 800 for a lobi ship?
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    hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ataloss wrote: »
    Other question, how many lock box keys do you need to get the 800 for a lobi ship?

    4-6 Lobi per box. You do the math.
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    davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Thats not true, it can certainly equip Dual Cannons but by doing so it means you are pretty much flying a Bortas with 2 less weapons on it as it cannot turn, can take a huge deal of punishment thats pretty much what it does, tank incredible well.

    Its a support ship true and true.

    It can equip Dual Heavy Cannons? I was under the impression that none of the carriers could equip those.

    As for the OP, you could always equip Beam Array, Single Cannon, and Torpedo foreward and Turret, Beam Array, and Torpedo or Mine aft. That would give you the widest fireing arcs at the expense of base weapon damage. Heck, if you insist on not using beams at all, you could go two single cannons fore, turret, Torpedo, and mine aft(though that wastes the target subsystem I abilities). Try playing around with the different configurations in PvE to see what appeals to you the most.

    And don't forget, the ship is unlocked on ALL your Federation characters so IF you decided to create a character that is better suited you flying a carrier, you would still have access to the ship. Don't discount it just because your current character doesn't make the most of it.
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    atalossataloss Member Posts: 563 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    4-6 Lobi per box. You do the math.

    I honestly thought I was the only person getting 5 lobi crystals from those stupid lock boxes. I did the math and it equaled two shots of Vodka. :D
    davidwford wrote: »
    It can equip Dual Heavy Cannons? I was under the impression that none of the carriers could equip those.

    As for the OP, you could always equip Beam Array, Single Cannon, and Torpedo foreward and Turret, Beam Array, and Torpedo or Mine aft. That would give you the widest fireing arcs at the expense of base weapon damage. Heck, if you insist on not using beams at all, you could go two single cannons fore, turret, Torpedo, and mine aft(though that wastes the target subsystem I abilities). Try playing around with the different configurations in PvE to see what appeals to you the most.

    And don't forget, the ship is unlocked on ALL your Federation characters so IF you decided to create a character that is better suited you flying a carrier, you would still have access to the ship. Don't discount it just because your current character doesn't make the most of it.

    I have gone back to my Vesta (like nakedsnake001 said, I was spoiled by it). I did put a dual heavy cannon on my vesta which is a Science ship being flown by my Engineering toon but I fly it like my escort ships (That must have be the longest run on sentence in history), with all the recklessness of a true escort pilot.

    The Atrox (after 25 days of being my main ship) will be a very expensive paper weight on some space dock. Unless Cryptic gives it TWO universal slots, I won't be paying it any attention. Since it's a "copy & paste" version of the Vo'Quv, I doubt they'll give it two universal slots (like my beloved Vesta). The KDF players are right, they really get no "love" from Cryptic.
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    asardetemplariasardetemplari Member Posts: 447 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    If you want an offensive carrier, look into the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought.
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    Dreadnought class. Two times the size, three times the speed. Advanced weaponry. Modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most Federation vessels, it's built solely for combat.
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    ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ataloss wrote: »
    I gave it 25 days to impress me. But I'm just sick to my stomach with my Atrox. What was I thinking? It does nothing well except take a pounding? I don't like flying a "beam boat" (compared to my psuedo-tactical vesta with Dual heavy cannons). If I didn't have those scorpion pets I don't know what I would have done?

    Out of curiosity, how often does Cryptic re-balance ships after they release them? What I mean is will they ever give the Atrox a Universal Ensign slot or Universal Lieutenant slot?

    Maybe if the Atrox had the same bridge officer layout as my Vesta I'd be ok with it. As of now I can't even look at the ship while I play the game.

    Ok that'll be all, you may return to your exciting lives.

    The Atrox is not intended to be a DPS ship. Why does everyone expect this for every ship?
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    dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited August 2013
    The Vo'quv has a better BOFF layout. It's got a Lt.Com Tac and Lt. Sci. Combine that with Frigate pets and you've got a far better ship.

    You purchased a big slow Sci heavy carrier, you like to fly Escorts. You where never going to be happy with it, you jumped on the Carrier is the ultimate ship Band Wagon. It's really not.

    And yes the Vesta makes all Sci vessel terrible by comparison.

    The Atrox will be lucky to get a Fleet upgrade and I think the only time Cryptic have looked into a ship was when they made errors causing it to be off spec. The Atrox performs as it was intended and will not be changed.

    All that being said I don't mind the big clunky thing, but I will be getting my Sci a Vesta.
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    draugadandraugadan Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I have the Atrox unlocked on my account. I also have the Vesta unlocked.

    Is there anything the Atrox does better than the Vesta? I have a SCI officer that just hit 50, and currently she is using the Vesta. But I've been considering giving the Atrox a spin. This thread is making me think that isn't such a great idea.
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    kalvorax#3775 kalvorax Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    The Atrox is not intended to be a DPS ship. Why does everyone expect this for every ship?

    they are used to flying escorts their full career....

    I For one love using the Atrox on my Tac Fed (my main character fed side)...especially in Fleet events or CE...i have it romulanized so its using the entire romulan gear (mk 11 blue) space set and out fitted with romulan weapons (EXP, Beam, Hyper torp, Romulan beam....Romulan Beam, Plasma Torp, Romulan Beam) And Elite scorps makes for one heck of a ship to do damage with.

    I tend to use the disabling abilites whenever i can and if its valid to use them on the traget (ie. not using them on the CE as they dont do much) and with the larger Sci ability arcs it makes it that much better for a support ship.
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    dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited August 2013
    Let's correct a common mistake.

    The Atrox is not meant to be a Direct Damage ship.
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    oneandonlyrecceoneandonlyrecce Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I really like the Atrox and still get a lot if use out of it.

    In KASE I'll quite happily take on a cube and probes by myself at the same time. It was difficult with the change to the Runabouts, but the Scorpions have brought it back up to full effectiveness.
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    satanailofhwbgsatanailofhwbg Member Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    The Atrox is a good ship. Not a great ship, but a good ship.
    Most of the time, it can carry PuGs and has all the CC in the world. As a science captain, I can say that it is a great first carrier. Once you know her weaknesses, you will know which will be your next carrier. Now I fly a Recluse for a proper pet/team support in the tactical department.
    Just for information - the Atrox can clear alone one side in KASE in 7 minutes. With a science captain.
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    mustafatennickmustafatennick Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I really like the Atrox and still get a lot if use out of it.

    In KASE I'll quite happily take on a cube and probes by myself at the same time. It was difficult with the change to the Runabouts, but the Scorpions have brought it back up to full effectiveness.

    No offence but if you can't do that in a bop with the level of PVP in this game there is something wrong

    The voquv is twice the ship that the atrox is
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    majinsyllusmajinsyllus Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Why buy any other ship when you have the Vesta?
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    mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ataloss wrote: »
    If I knew then what I know now I would have brought a Galaxy Tactical version
    And then you'd likely be complaining about the Galaxy-X instead...
    davidwford wrote: »
    It can equip Dual Heavy Cannons? I was under the impression that none of the carriers could equip those.
    All Carriers can equip DHCs (as it's a feature of the Carrier "class"). In fact, the only ships with hangars that can't equip DHCs are the Orion Flight Deck Cruisers (which are another "class" of ship).
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    keppoch1keppoch1 Member Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    If you want an offensive carrier, look into the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought.

    Or the artimage escort carrier for the Federation.
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    atalossataloss Member Posts: 563 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    If you want an offensive carrier, look into the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought.

    I've been drooling over one since April 2013.
    Why buy any other ship when you have the Vesta?

    Because I like to explore what the other ships (my hangar currently holds 10 ships in total). I wanted to try out a "carrier" and since that was the only Fed carrier I could buy quickly (without grinding), I spent real world money on it. I'll be the first to proudly admit (Cryptic if you're reading this by some miracle...), I wouldn't hesitate to buy a JHDC for 2,500 zen and the attack ship for another 2,500.

    Two days ago I started grinding for the JHDC (thanks to everyone's advice and even the trolls that had a field day with me). I now average 2 million EC a day for the past two days (The game isn't fun for me when I grind, I just do it cause I'm tired of drooling over everyone that has a JHDC for the past 4 months). Next week I plan on buying some lock box keys and selling them to increase my daily energy credit earnings.

    I haven't done any grinding today, so I will be doing that after this post.

    Lastly to anyone that has a vesta and wants to try a carrier like me,...be warned.
    One day Cryptic will be free from their Perfect World overlord. Until that day comes, they will continue to pamper the whales of this game, and ignore everyone that isn't a whale.
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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ataloss wrote: »
    I gave it 25 days to impress me. But I'm just sick to my stomach with my Atrox. What was I thinking? It does nothing well except take a pounding? I don't like flying a "beam boat" (compared to my psuedo-tactical vesta with Dual heavy cannons). If I didn't have those scorpion pets I don't know what I would have done?

    Out of curiosity, how often does Cryptic re-balance ships after they release them? What I mean is will they ever give the Atrox a Universal Ensign slot or Universal Lieutenant slot?

    Maybe if the Atrox had the same bridge officer layout as my Vesta I'd be ok with it. As of now I can't even look at the ship while I play the game.

    Ok that'll be all, you may return to your exciting lives.

    LOL, you Vesta players can't figure anything out past that overpowered ship Cryptic gave you LOL :D
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    davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ataloss wrote: »
    Because I like to explore what the other ships (my hangar currently holds 10 ships in total). I wanted to try out a "carrier" and since that was the only Fed carrier I could buy quickly (without grinding), I spent real world money on it. I'll be the first to proudly admit (Cryptic if you're reading this by some miracle...), I wouldn't hesitate to buy a JHDC for 2,500 zen and the attack ship for another 2,500.

    Two days ago I started grinding for the JHDC (thanks to everyone's advice and even the trolls that had a field day with me). I now average 2 million EC a day for the past two days (The game isn't fun for me when I grind, I just do it cause I'm tired of drooling over everyone that has a JHDC for the past 4 months). Next week I plan on buying some lock box keys and selling them to increase my daily energy credit earnings.

    I haven't done any grinding today, so I will be doing that after this post.

    Lastly to anyone that has a vesta and wants to try a carrier like me,...be warned.

    One, if you like to explore ship types, what is the problem? Two, the Jem'Hadar Dreadnaught Carrier is purchased with Lobi, unless you plan on buying one off the exchange. It is much cheaper to open the lox boxes to earn the Lobi than to do what you are doing. As a bonus, you might get one of the other ships by chance.
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    atalossataloss Member Posts: 563 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    davidwford wrote: »
    One, if you like to explore ship types, what is the problem? Two, the Jem'Hadar Dreadnaught Carrier is purchased with Lobi, unless you plan on buying one off the exchange. It is much cheaper to open the lox boxes to earn the Lobi than to do what you are doing. As a bonus, you might get one of the other ships by chance.

    I'm hoping I do get one by chance. My logic is to buy 10 lock box keys. Use 5 to open a lock box and sell the other five. Eventually I'll get a bunch of TRIBBLE I can sell on the exchange (hopefully) for more money or get the JHDC as a reward from the lockbox. Eventually I'll get that ship.

    Then I can make this face --> Face 1 followed by Face 2
    LOL, you Vesta players can't figure anything out past that overpowered ship Cryptic gave you LOL :D

    lol..:D you're right, it's just something about that ship...
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    dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited August 2013
    ataloss wrote: »
    I'm hoping I do get one by chance. My logic is to buy 10 lock box keys. Use 5 to open a lock box and sell the other five. Eventually I'll get a bunch of TRIBBLE I can sell on the exchange (hopefully) for more money or get the JHDC as a reward from the lockbox. Eventually I'll get that ship.

    Then I can make this face --> Face 1 followed by Face 2



    lol..:D you're right, it's just something about that ship...

    Your tactic is severly flawed than. The Jem Hadar Dreadnought Carrier doesn't come from the Lockbox only the Lobi store.

    The Jem Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier comes from Lockbox.

    The problem with the JHDC is that you need the bug to get frigates. If you want a JHDN for Zen there is such a ship. Have a good look at the Karfi, Yeah that's a Klingon ship.

    The JHDN is the better ship, the Kar'fi isn't fleet, but it's 2000 zen and comes with Frigates.
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    satanailofhwbgsatanailofhwbg Member Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    davidwford wrote: »
    Two, the Jem'Hadar Dreadnaught Carrier is purchased with Lobi, unless you plan on buying one off the exchange. It is much cheaper to open the lox boxes to earn the Lobi than to do what you are doing. As a bonus, you might get one of the other ships by chance.

    I would like to learn how is buying at least 120-150 master keys cheaper than spending ~80 mil EC on the exchange? I'm really curious.
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    masterkeychnk5masterkeychnk5 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Everyone regrets havng bought a ship at one time or another.

    Welcome to pay2win world.
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    khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    No. I don't have an issue with my dreadnought cruiser. :D


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    atalossataloss Member Posts: 563 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Your tactic is severly flawed than. The Jem Hadar Dreadnought Carrier doesn't come from the Lockbox only the Lobi store.

    The Jem Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier comes from Lockbox.

    The problem with the JHDC is that you need the bug to get frigates. If you want a JHDN for Zen there is such a ship. Have a good look at the Karfi, Yeah that's a Klingon ship.

    The JHDN is the better ship, the Kar'fi isn't fleet, but it's 2000 zen and comes with Frigates.

    Thanks for letting me know. Then I'll just sell all the lockbox keys I buy to work towards the 80 million Energy Credits.
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