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hardkn0xhardkn0x Member Posts: 3 Arc User
Reading the patch notes for today I see they plan to Nerf the newly released Elachi Battleship by removing its cloak.

According to the original Dev blog (#38), no mention was made about a cloak so now they want to remove it.

Having made several videos on the new Elachi ships and set items I'm very annoyed that PW/Cryptic is taking something that means so very little to them and so much to longtime STO game Veteran like myself!

I paid my hard earned lobi crystals for one of these ships and I planned to buy a second (not anymore) for another one of my characters soon however now I feel cheated.

It is not even a battle cloak why waste the time and energy by removing it?

Yet another poor decision made by Cryptic!!!:mad:
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  • hardkn0xhardkn0x Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Reading the patch notes for today I see they plan to Nerf the newly released Elachi Battleship by removing its cloak.

    According to the original Dev blog (#38), no mention was made about a cloak so now they want to remove it.

    Having made several videos on the new Elachi ships and set items I'm very annoyed that PW/Cryptic is taking something that means so very little to them and so much to longtime STO game Veteran like myself!

    I paid my hard earned lobi crystals for one of these ships and I planned to buy a second (not anymore) for another one of my characters soon however now I feel cheated.

    It is not even a battle cloak why waste the time and energy by removing it?

    Yet another poor decision made by Cryptic!!!:mad:
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    hardkn0x wrote: »
    Reading the patch notes for today I see they plan to Nerf the newly released Elachi Battleship by removing its cloak.

    According to the original Dev blog (#38), no mention was made about a cloak so now they want to remove it.

    Having made several videos on the new Elachi ships and set items I'm very annoyed that PW/Cryptic is taking something that means so very little to them and so much to longtime STO game Veteran like myself!

    I paid my hard earned lobi crystals for one of these ships and I planned to buy a second (not anymore) for another one of my characters soon however now I feel cheated.

    It is not even a battle cloak why waste the time and energy by removing it?

    Yet another poor decision made by Cryptic!!!:mad:

    The short story is that the ships were not supposed cloak. It's not a nerf if they removed something that the ship wasn't supposed to have to begin with. Everything else remains perfectly the same.

    Besides, if it still had a cloak, imagine the rage of the PvPers who will ask for the nerf...

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  • bubblygumsworthbubblygumsworth Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Spamming the threads is against the forum's tos.

    It was never stated in the dev blog that it was meant to have cloak. It is not being nerfed, it is being fixed. I'm assuming that Cryptic just copy and pasted a KDF cruiser, changed the skin, changed the Boff layout a bit and forgot to remove the cloak.

    This is why I wait a couple of weeks before buying anything new just in case there is a mess up and I find out that I have spent money on something I didnt want.
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  • wolfpacknzwolfpacknz Member Posts: 783 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    It was never meant to be there in the first place.

    Sure this discussion has already been had a few times... Love when people post without following hte forums...
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  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited August 2013
    hardkn0x wrote: »
    Reading the patch notes for today I see they plan to Nerf the newly released Elachi Battleship by removing its cloak.

    According to the original Dev blog (#38), no mention was made about a cloak so now they want to remove it.

    Having made several videos on the new Elachi ships and set items I'm very annoyed that PW/Cryptic is taking something that means so very little to them and so much to longtime STO game Veteran like myself!

    I paid my hard earned lobi crystals for one of these ships and I planned to buy a second (not anymore) for another one of my characters soon however now I feel cheated.

    It is not even a battle cloak why waste the time and energy by removing it?

    Yet another poor decision made by Cryptic!!!:mad:

    Yeah, we can't be fixing broken mechanics now, can we?

    It wasn't supposed to have a cloak, or anything like one. Deal with it.
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    It wasn't supposed to have a cloak. Don't tell me you bought the ship for something they weren't supposed to have, because that would be stupid.
    It's not even a nerf.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    hardkn0x wrote: »
    According to the original Dev blog (#38), no mention was made about a cloak so now they want to remove it.

    According to the blog thread...
    Hi Captains,

    In case you missed my other post on this earlier today, the Elachi Monbosh Battleship is not intended to have a cloak -- it will be removed in an upcoming patch. For stats on this ship, which does not include reference to a cloak, please see the blog linked in the OP.

    We apologize that we missed this and will see you in-game!

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=

    ...and the earlier post...
    It's not supposed to (is why it's not mentioned in the blog) and will be removed in an upcoming patch. Enjoy it while it lasts! :cool:

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=

    ...so, did you enjoy it while it lasted?
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Seriously, when have we ever seen any of the Elachi ships even cloak?

    ...*waits*...*waits some more*...

    Yeah... The cloak has to go.

    But I can see how the mistake of putting a cloak on the Elachi Battleship was done. The ship is basically the KDF's Fleet Torkhat/Vor'Cha with a few very minor tweaks (Monbosh BB, Fleet Vor'Cha). The values including handling of the ships are identical, so it makes sense the cloak of the Fleet Vor'Cha transferred over because the dev forgot to remove it.
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  • sfc#5932 sfc Member Posts: 992 Bug Hunter
    edited August 2013
    I've said this now and I'll say it again....

    These issues are not nerfing. Nerfing is when they fix up the Subspace Conduit. This was an issue that got pushed out the doors, much like the long lingering Omega torpedo reloading bug. Some people were upset about that and called it a nerf!

    If it's not an intentional fix and involves decreasing of stats or similar issues, it's nerfing. This is not a nerf.
  • chainfallchainfall Member Posts: 258 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    If the cloak had not been fixed, something else about it would be nerfed into formulaic line.
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    hardkn0x wrote: »
    It is not even a battle cloak why waste the time and energy by removing it?
    It's not even a battle cloak...why waste the time and energy raging about it? Won't even miss it, non-battle-cloaks are pretty much a useless gimmick.
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  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I can understand the OPs frustration, though. If you're not an active forum monger, which a lot of players aren't, these things will slip past you.

    Testing the lockbox for just a few days on tribble, would probably have been enough to identify and remove the problem before people spend Lobi and real life cash on an item and become frustrated and angry when one of it's core features (after all it would have been the only up-to-date cruiser for fed side with a cloak) is being taken away.

    While I understand that it wasn't supposed to have it in the first place, it's a major TRIBBLE up on cryptics side that this ship was released with a cloak in the first place, something that could very easily have been prevented with just a tiny bit of quality control.
  • getabigdogupyougetabigdogupyou Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I can understand the OPs frustration, though. If you're not an active forum monger, which a lot of players aren't, these things will slip past you.

    Testing the lockbox for just a few days on tribble, would probably have been enough to identify and remove the problem before people spend Lobi and real life cash on an item and become frustrated and angry when one of it's core features (after all it would have been the only up-to-date cruiser for fed side with a cloak) is being taken away.

    While I understand that it wasn't supposed to have it in the first place, it's a major TRIBBLE up on cryptics side that this ship was released with a cloak in the first place, something that could very easily have been prevented with just a tiny bit of quality control.

    I blew 800 lobi as soon as I heard from someone it had a cloak . The only cloaked fed cruiser if you had 800lobi

    where is my cloak and lobi now........Gone.

    :(

    BY THE DEMON NERF BAT I curse you PWE
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I blew 800 lobi as soon as I heard from someone it had a cloak . The only cloaked fed cruiser if you had 800lobi

    where is my cloak and lobi now........Gone.

    :(

    BY THE DEMON NERF BAT I curse you PWE


    It is not a nerf. The ship was never meant to have a cloak, so it was a bug that got fixed.

    Might pay to do some research next time, rather than buying something that expensive on someone else's say so....

    Also, there is another Fed cruiser with a cloak, it is the Galaxy-X Dreadnought.
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  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I blew 800 lobi as soon as I heard from someone it had a cloak . The only cloaked fed cruiser if you had 800lobi

    where is my cloak and lobi now........Gone.

    :(

    BY THE DEMON NERF BAT I curse you PWE

    so i guess the gal-x isnt a fed ship with cloak?
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  • getabigdogupyougetabigdogupyou Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    maicake716 wrote: »
    so i guess the gal-x isnt a fed ship with cloak?

    When a fleet mate says in voice coms hey just got the elachi cruiser and its got a cloak let the celebrations start ....


    Because no one wants to fly the dreadnaught the spinal lance is a joke and it turns like a dog TRIBBLE on a hardwood floor.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Theres a strong difference between nerfing something, and removing something that wasn't supposed to be there in the first place.
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  • genadagenada Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I have one and was surprised to see it had a cloak. I do not mind losing it because I believe it was a accident it had it in the first place. It's still a very nice ship and I enjoy using it.
  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    so i guess the gal-x isnt a fed ship with cloak?
    Also, there is another Fed cruiser with a cloak, it is the Galaxy-X Dreadnought.

    If you start to compare a cloaking Galaxy-X to a current lockbox cruiser, I seriously question your understanding of game mechanics

    The Gal-X isn't an up-to-date ship and it doesn't have the cloak. If you want a cloaking Galaxy-X, you need to pay 4.500 Zen and you basically get an 8-console cruiser, which effectively makes it a T3 ship with a bit more hull and one more weapon slot.
    Theres a strong difference between nerfing something, and removing something that wasn't supposed to be there in the first place.

    Yeah, but if they'd just taken just a small bit more care on something that is one of the big prizes of the current lockbox, they'd have avoided the whole mess. A few days on tribble would have done it.

    So the whole issue is definately due to cryptics poor testing.

    What's next? Putting a 5-tac-console, 5-forward weapons, 10-console raptor in the c-store, wait a week and then return it to a conventional outfit, because they accidentally used the Kumari as a template?
  • diabolical91diabolical91 Member Posts: 194 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    shut up Wesley
  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    This is the wrong section.
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  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Personally I'm kind of hoping the cloak removal drives the price down on the exchange like what happened when the Subspace console adjustment was announced. Been saving up for one. :P
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that the majority of the playerbase don't access the forum, I'll wager that most of the them DO use Facebook. They should be aware of the news releases, and should read those before throwing their money at the new shiny ship.

    Yes I highly agree because reading the not fine print is so hard!!! A tiny bit of research goes a longggg way.
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  • topsettopset Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that the majority of the playerbase don't access the forum, I'll wager that most of the them DO use Facebook. They should be aware of the news releases, and should read those before throwing their money at the new shiny ship.

    Well the people that don't access the forum and use facebook probably won't know that the Battleship has a cloak until they open the box, so I don't really see the problem
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  • darkwyndredarkwyndre Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    it's called Bait-and-Switch, and it's potentially grounds for at least a BBB complaint if not more. It's irrelevant that it was "unintended" to the BBB. The fact that consumers can only get Lobi by opening lock boxes which requires keys which cost money and the fact that some consumers were directly influenced to purchase this item using currency which is tied to real world money because of something it had which is now being removed ... the BBB will take those complaints and they will dock PWE/Cryptic's business rating.

    Not that it could really be rated any lower than it already is, mind you.

    Also LoL at all the Cryptic Fanboys to the rescue in this thread. It's funny to see people who have their head up "BranFlakes" TRIBBLE. The guy spent a couple years writing fluff PR pieces to lure traffic @massively to STO and got himself a nice cushy job out of it. He's Stahl's version of the mouth of Sauron.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    darkwyndre wrote: »
    it's called Bait-and-Switch, and it's potentially grounds for at least a BBB complaint if not more. It's irrelevant that it was "unintended" to the BBB. The fact that consumers can only get Lobi by opening lock boxes which requires keys which cost money and the fact that some consumers were directly influenced to purchase this item using currency which is tied to real world money because of something it had which is now being removed ... the BBB will take those complaints and they will dock PWE/Cryptic's business rating.

    Not that it could really be rated any lower than it already is, mind you.

    Also LoL at all the Cryptic Fanboys to the rescue in this thread. It's funny to see people who have their head up "BranFlakes" TRIBBLE. The guy spent a couple years writing fluff PR pieces to lure traffic @massively to STO and got himself a nice cushy job out of it. He's Stahl's version of the mouth of Sauron.
    It can't be bait-and-switch unless something is advertises and then changed. The ship was never advertised with a cloak.

    As far as the BBB, they are a zero-power organization that hasn't had any influence in business since the early 80s - pre-internet era. The BBB is the same group that gave the Hamas, a terrorist organization, an A rating simply because their fees were paid - and that's really what the BBB is about: pay the dues and get the good ratings. :)
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  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Yes I highly agree because reading the not fine print is so hard!!! A tiny bit of research goes a longggg way.

    So what you're saying is: Whenever something new is released, everyone should watch the forums, dev blogs, twitter, youtube, hours of podcasts, video panels, facebook and whatever other backchannels the devs use to communicate with the playerbase for a few days, so you can be sure that an item that costs the equivalent of about $160 in keys doesn't get changed after you buy it?

    Sorry, but if a company introduces an item like this on a live realm, and expect people to shell out money for it, I expect that there aren't any slip-ups and it doesn't get a core ability taken away a week after it's release, just because some lazy-TRIBBLE dev couldn't double-check his work after a copy/paste routine. Period.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    darkwyndre wrote: »
    it's called Bait-and-Switch, and it's potentially grounds for at least a BBB complaint if not more. It's irrelevant that it was "unintended" to the BBB. The fact that consumers can only get Lobi by opening lock boxes which requires keys which cost money and the fact that some consumers were directly influenced to purchase this item using currency which is tied to real world money because of something it had which is now being removed ... the BBB will take those complaints and they will dock PWE/Cryptic's business rating.

    Not that it could really be rated any lower than it already is, mind you.

    Also LoL at all the Cryptic Fanboys to the rescue in this thread. It's funny to see people who have their head up "BranFlakes" TRIBBLE. The guy spent a couple years writing fluff PR pieces to lure traffic @massively to STO and got himself a nice cushy job out of it. He's Stahl's version of the mouth of Sauron.

    Bait and Switch only applies if they were advertising it was something and gave a completely different and inferior product. For example, selling an iPhone 4 and giving an iPhone 2. I guess every Nerf related to lockbox items would be called a Bait-and-Switch in your opinion
  • zarxidejackozarxidejacko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    It was misstake, never was official statement or preview or stats mentioned it nor in game nor on official website, cryptic admited misstake, they fixed it. Can not see any problem. Bug fixed, end.
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  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    The Gal-X isn't an up-to-date ship and it doesn't have the cloak. If you want a cloaking Galaxy-X, you need to pay 4.500 Zen and you basically get an 8-console cruiser, which effectively makes it a T3 ship with a bit more hull and one more weapon slot.

    What do you need to pay 4500 Zen for?? As my Gal X cost 2500.
    8 Consoles ??? Really ???
    Doesn't have a cloak ???

    What ship do you think the Gal X is??? as you have never actually seen one or flown one it seems.

    Click me for the REAL price and REAL stats

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