So the special "promo" is old lock boxes are dropping again? That isn't very impressive considering the old locks boxes are always available on the exchange.
Wake me up when there is a real player promo that actually rewards players.
Since new Lockboxes are coming if we want it or not, i just hope THIS time there will be something in them that makes the game a bit more Star Trekish. But that would be the first time IMO.
After 3 years of STO even the most optimistic people can become pessimists.:o
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That is very true. If you look at the money→keys spent on a Lobi ship, you spend FAR MORE money than you would on a 3-pack, like the Vesta or Kumari. Entirely a waste of money. :rolleyes:
Doc. M'Vore is the one and only person I know of who uses that Tal'Shiar Destroyer. And in all of STO, his is the one and only Destroyer I have ever seen at all. I see plenty of the Lobi Cruisers, but I never see any Destroyers whatsover.
So that leads me to think this lock box was a total failure.
But as for lock boxes in general, I delete them on pickup. The one and only reason I opened them was to obtain Lobi for the Korath uniform. After that, the boxes are junk to me. For my Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier, I entirely used EC to pay for it. Those Risa Flower Accent boxes have been great EC.
just got one my self for my rom toon and tbh the ship looks poor , what was they thinking with the design's ?
Doc. M'Vore is the one and only person I know of who uses that Tal'Shiar Destroyer. And in all of STO, his is the one and only Destroyer I have ever seen at all. I see plenty of the Lobi Cruisers, but I never see any Destroyers whatsover.
So that leads me to think this lock box was a total failure.
But as for lock boxes in general, I delete them on pickup. The one and only reason I opened them was to obtain Lobi for the Korath uniform. After that, the boxes are junk to me. For my Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier, I entirely used EC to pay for it. Those Risa Flower Accent boxes have been great EC.
You must not get out much Kongwe, I've seen a ton.
Yeah seems like any lockbox ship except the Jem hadar attack ship... Guessing they are saving that up when the company starts dropping in profit % as a hail mary lol.
This is one negative thread. If lock boxes keep the lights on at Cryptic than I am all for them. I can see the downside of them but every body has got bills. I wonder how many ftpers shout and complain about lockboxes you don't have to open and that can be opened via in-game-currency. For the record I have opened every ship that I wanted with less money than a trip to the bar per ship.
Just wanted to say that after reading the thread. Nobody should feel bad for making a living.
Just before they switch over to the next lockbox, they do this promotion where all the old ones drop again for a time.
Just to make you spend money on keys.
I've long ago lost interest in spending money on these, since the chance of getting a lockbox ship is almost non-existent.
And the low return rate of lobi crystals means that getting ships from the store isn't financially viable.
To be honest, the only time I open lockboxes is to get something like a Tholian sword from the lobi store.
Things that are character bind on equip and need lobi crystals to purchase.
Otherwise, I ignore lockboxes completely.
But there are always going to be those people who keep spending money on lockboxes in the futile hope that oh, maybe this time I'll get the rare ship.
And they really should stop, they're just encouraging Cryptic to keep this going.
Especially when you consider some of more obssessed ones are spending hundreds of dollars chasing the white rabbit.
i beg to differ with regards to your comment in bold. The less people do that, the more the ommunity will have to pay for their STO fix. This is one revenue stream for the developers, especially against those with a "I want it naaaooooooo mentality". The amount these people spend is exponentially related to the happiness of the rest of the community, especially the F2Pers. More lockboxes open = higher chance of ships on exchange ( regardles of how pricey it is ), which is better than no ship at all and leaving everyone to the mercy of the RNG lockbox gods.
Once this revenue stream dries up, the developers will be forced to seek another. We all know how they nerfed the tour, so no comments. And if the dev fail torealise a viable revenue stream, we will then all be treated toa "last hurrah" before the server shuts down, much like Matrix Online.
Which would you prefer then?
Me i'd prefer that the rich, subsidise the rest of us peasants, for our daily STO fix...
Because if people stop buying the lockbox keys, Cryptic will be forced to put the ships in C-Store instead to meet their profit margin.
Or sell Lobi crystals directly in C-Store at a better return rate then the boxes give.
That's what I am thinking.
I don't object to Cryptic earning money for their game, but like everything, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.
You give me something tangible for my money, I'll buy it and you get revenue.
You give me nothing and I'll give you nothing in return.
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After being a customer of Cryptic's for over 3 years , I'd amend that to "almost nobody should feel bad ..." .
Cryptic's record of lying to it's playerbase , trolling them on Twitter , singling out a single podcast to ignore as a way of keeping the others in line , and the list goes on ... .
Yeah , almost nobody should feel bad , but some sure should .
I used to open the lockbox but after getting nothing but doff packs I havent opened one since my remaining keys went on the exchange which is where the lockboxes are sent as well.
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(...)the novelty value of flying a 'rare' ship is limited too - they're simply not THAT rare.
^^ -This.
Add to that the absolute uselessness of those doff-packs... Nah.
If there is something in them that I'd like to have, I'd rather pick it up at the Exchange, for EC, not real cold Cash.
When opened emits a cloud of foul gas, iritating anyone nearby and causing general rage in Zone Chat. 70% chance of causing numerous players to either beam out or swap instance.
Chance to win DQ DOFF pack, with a chance to win:
[purple] Malon DOFF with 98% chance to reduce warp core performance.
[Blue]Talaxian DOFF, with 100% chance to ruin any food placed anywhere nearby
[Blue] Talaxian DOFF, with 50% of reducing Captain's overall traits with distracting toady behaviour
[Purple] Krenim DOFF, with 90% chance of causing the player's ship to have never existed.
Chance to win a Kazon BOFF, with 'suicide' trait; 100% chance of killing him/herself, 0% chance of respawn.
Grand Prize: Malon Garbage ship that emits an area-wide waste gas cloud that causes all other players to bail (whether they like it or not) on whatever STF/Fleet action that this occurs in.
Also comes with a warp drive that is unparrelled in it's lack of speed.
And via the Lobi store: Janeway Console; causes ship to get lost in the Delta Quadrant, ignores easy method of return, and instantly causes offense to any ship or planet you pass.
You, my good sir, just made my day
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I have over 1040 lockboxes from tholian, temperal, gamma, and tal shiar. What makes you think I want any more. 130,000zen or 65 2,000 point cards $1300 dollars. At the current dilith exchange rate at 200 dilith 26,000,000 dilith just to open them all.
When opened emits a cloud of foul gas, iritating anyone nearby and causing general rage in Zone Chat. 70% chance of causing numerous players to either beam out or swap instance.
Chance to win DQ DOFF pack, with a chance to win:
[purple] Malon DOFF with 98% chance to reduce warp core performance.
[Blue]Talaxian DOFF, with 100% chance to ruin any food placed anywhere nearby
[Blue] Talaxian DOFF, with 50% of reducing Captain's overall traits with distracting toady behaviour
[Purple] Krenim DOFF, with 90% chance of causing the player's ship to have never existed.
Chance to win a Kazon BOFF, with 'suicide' trait; 100% chance of killing him/herself, 0% chance of respawn.
Grand Prize: Malon Garbage ship that emits an area-wide waste gas cloud that causes all other players to bail (whether they like it or not) on whatever STF/Fleet action that this occurs in.
Also comes with a warp drive that is unparrelled in it's lack of speed.
And via the Lobi store: Janeway Console; causes ship to get lost in the Delta Quadrant, ignores easy method of return, and instantly causes offense to any ship or planet you pass.
This is the post of the day...hands down. It is exactly how I see the lockboxes...pure trash.
As pointed out by lindaleff in his post. the Lobi crystles need to be accounted bonded.
why should they be account bonded ? this is why. they are not bought by one Character in the game , they are bought by one person on the account. That means one pocket is paying for the tokes . Even the ones that are scarred across the game in the episodes missions are hunted down by one person. Yes if they are 100% account bonded ( paid , or found) , its still OK. Becues if some one goes and moves the one time find Lobies that they get some where else , then they can't get any more. So they just pissed away there one-time item in the game . It is fair for the company that will have to sell them more, and it is fair for the guy who used his one time thing. if its a real concern then make the ones that found in the game character bound and the ones bought with real money account bond. When these token account bonded people will spend more. How many times have anyone who wanted to use them found out one of two things. Either they did not have enough and had to get more , or that there was something else that they wanted to buy. To be honest , after hundreds of dollars spent of these things i am quite happy with what i got. Expensive ,but they did exactly as " advertised" unlike most to the junk in the game.
Onces again, Character bonding is just taking opportunities for sales of Lobi crystals away form the company that is trying to sell them. You want money? give them a good reason to buy form you.
we can get every ship from the lock boxes, why did you not bring back the old lock box with the jem'hadar attack ship would love to see that box's coming back for a limited time
we can get every ship from the lock boxes, why did you not bring back the old lock box with the jem'hadar attack ship would love to see that box's coming back for a limited time
Because that ship is the biggest failure and the biggest success at the same time.
It is so OP the can't afford to give it away all the time.
Except the people who slightly care about RP and immersion no gamer would fly anything else if it were widely available.
It is simply too good at everything.
So all other sales would dry up immediately.
And it would be disastrous for game balance. Nothing else would be viable anymore (measured between equally skilled players).
For the record, I'd keep flying my Sovereign and Negh'var.
Ironically, I don't want the ship to fly!
It's because I want the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship Hanger Pet to go with the Jem Hadar Dreadnaught.
And the only way to get that is to acquire the Bugship.
Now imagine the cost in real world dollars if I had to do that per character?
Or the cost in time obtaining the EC necessary to buy the Bugship via exchange?
I think there's a lesson to be learned there.
And this is it:
I'm very fond of Jem'Hadar ships, but because of this elitist exclusive nonsense about the Attack Ship, I've refused to buy the Dreadnaught until Cryptic come to their senses and offer a FAIR way to acquire the Bugship.
Basically, if they want the money I will expend on the Dreadnaught, they have to give me something in return first.
But since they're not doing the right thing, they're not getting the money I would spend on either attempting to get the Bugship or on acquiring the Dreadnaught.
They're the ones losing money here.
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Wake me up when there is a real player promo that actually rewards players.
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Also please please make sure the next box they put back the purple duty officer rewards - those atl shair command codes were not fun!
After 3 years of STO even the most optimistic people can become pessimists.:o
Cryptic keeps recycling this process.
Just before they switch over to the next lockbox, they do this promotion where all the old ones drop again for a time.
Just to make you spend money on keys.
I've long ago lost interest in spending money on these, since the chance of getting a lockbox ship is almost non-existent.
And the low return rate of lobi crystals means that getting ships from the store isn't financially viable.
To be honest, the only time I open lockboxes is to get something like a Tholian sword from the lobi store.
Things that are character bind on equip and need lobi crystals to purchase.
Otherwise, I ignore lockboxes completely.
But there are always going to be those people who keep spending money on lockboxes in the futile hope that oh, maybe this time I'll get the rare ship.
And they really should stop, they're just encouraging Cryptic to keep this going.
Especially when you consider some of more obssessed ones are spending hundreds of dollars chasing the white rabbit.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
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just got one my self for my rom toon and tbh the ship looks poor , what was they thinking with the design's ?
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You must not get out much Kongwe, I've seen a ton.
Just wanted to say that after reading the thread. Nobody should feel bad for making a living.
If people had your view there wouldn't be any over crowded prisons
i beg to differ with regards to your comment in bold. The less people do that, the more the ommunity will have to pay for their STO fix. This is one revenue stream for the developers, especially against those with a "I want it naaaooooooo mentality". The amount these people spend is exponentially related to the happiness of the rest of the community, especially the F2Pers. More lockboxes open = higher chance of ships on exchange ( regardles of how pricey it is ), which is better than no ship at all and leaving everyone to the mercy of the RNG lockbox gods.
Once this revenue stream dries up, the developers will be forced to seek another. We all know how they nerfed the tour, so no comments. And if the dev fail torealise a viable revenue stream, we will then all be treated toa "last hurrah" before the server shuts down, much like Matrix Online.
Which would you prefer then?
Me i'd prefer that the rich, subsidise the rest of us peasants, for our daily STO fix...
Or sell Lobi crystals directly in C-Store at a better return rate then the boxes give.
That's what I am thinking.
I don't object to Cryptic earning money for their game, but like everything, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.
You give me something tangible for my money, I'll buy it and you get revenue.
You give me nothing and I'll give you nothing in return.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
My Ship Builds: USS Conqueror, HMS Victorious, HMS Concord, ISS Queen Elizabeth, Black Widow III
Click here to view my DeviantArt.
After being a customer of Cryptic's for over 3 years , I'd amend that to "almost nobody should feel bad ..." .
Cryptic's record of lying to it's playerbase , trolling them on Twitter , singling out a single podcast to ignore as a way of keeping the others in line , and the list goes on ... .
Yeah , almost nobody should feel bad , but some sure should .
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
^^ -This.
Add to that the absolute uselessness of those doff-packs... Nah.
If there is something in them that I'd like to have, I'd rather pick it up at the Exchange, for EC, not real cold Cash.
You, my good sir, just made my day
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This is the post of the day...hands down. It is exactly how I see the lockboxes...pure trash.
I fully agree with everything you said and the post you quoted
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why should they be account bonded ? this is why. they are not bought by one Character in the game , they are bought by one person on the account. That means one pocket is paying for the tokes . Even the ones that are scarred across the game in the episodes missions are hunted down by one person. Yes if they are 100% account bonded ( paid , or found) , its still OK. Becues if some one goes and moves the one time find Lobies that they get some where else , then they can't get any more. So they just pissed away there one-time item in the game . It is fair for the company that will have to sell them more, and it is fair for the guy who used his one time thing. if its a real concern then make the ones that found in the game character bound and the ones bought with real money account bond. When these token account bonded people will spend more. How many times have anyone who wanted to use them found out one of two things. Either they did not have enough and had to get more , or that there was something else that they wanted to buy. To be honest , after hundreds of dollars spent of these things i am quite happy with what i got. Expensive ,but they did exactly as " advertised" unlike most to the junk in the game.
Onces again, Character bonding is just taking opportunities for sales of Lobi crystals away form the company that is trying to sell them. You want money? give them a good reason to buy form you.
Because that ship is the biggest failure and the biggest success at the same time.
It is so OP the can't afford to give it away all the time.
Except the people who slightly care about RP and immersion no gamer would fly anything else if it were widely available.
It is simply too good at everything.
So all other sales would dry up immediately.
And it would be disastrous for game balance. Nothing else would be viable anymore (measured between equally skilled players).
Ironically, I don't want the ship to fly!
It's because I want the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship Hanger Pet to go with the Jem Hadar Dreadnaught.
And the only way to get that is to acquire the Bugship.
Now imagine the cost in real world dollars if I had to do that per character?
Or the cost in time obtaining the EC necessary to buy the Bugship via exchange?
I think there's a lesson to be learned there.
And this is it:
I'm very fond of Jem'Hadar ships, but because of this elitist exclusive nonsense about the Attack Ship, I've refused to buy the Dreadnaught until Cryptic come to their senses and offer a FAIR way to acquire the Bugship.
Basically, if they want the money I will expend on the Dreadnaught, they have to give me something in return first.
But since they're not doing the right thing, they're not getting the money I would spend on either attempting to get the Bugship or on acquiring the Dreadnaught.
They're the ones losing money here.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad