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  • baldguywithacapebaldguywithacape Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I prefer honor guard (adapted maco) for scis... tanks at least...
  • baldguywithacapebaldguywithacape Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Also, I wouldn't have crouched if he was gonna lunge/pounce ya. And in real combat u could use triage and wear him down. Biggles must have had... fun...
  • baldguywithacapebaldguywithacape Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Okay, I guess the doff is a bit cheap... just looked at the picture...
  • johnharrisonloljohnharrisonlol Member Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Well true but the point was simply to test them. I tested on the 3 most powerful one hit attacks that a tact can dish out. BTW this also works on 3 targets with a split beam! It doesn't work on the ghostbuster guns chain however. Just on the initial target. That's also why the ghostbuster gun can't chain suppressing fire.

    Not really so much fun in a test. But I can tell you from the vast ground experience I have that it's more than a bit cheap. It is by far the worst thing ever in ground pvp. And even after the nerf I can tell you for sure I will be hitting even higher ticks when I choose to. The fun has been using these for revenge against other exploiters in the q's. And man the past few days I must have racked up a huge bill! :)
  • tahlas1tahlas1 Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    you all can tell me now that I'm one of these pessimists...

    Ground PvP is screwed! It was screwed since thursday, it is still screwed today and it will be screwed... and not only for a short time!
    I've read the patch notes and I say: if they haven't fixed it yet, they haven't noticed it yet... and because the PvPers are only a small part of the community, they will never really notice it, and they will never fix it.
    So we will need to live with the thoughts:
    1.) Ground PvP is now only "Tac-Captain-with-ambush-security-DOff" vs."Tac-Captain-with-ambush-security-DOff"
    2.) Sci and Engi are now completely useless
    I mean: every Tac,without exception, can now kill a tank ( may it be an Engi or Sci and may he even be one of the top-players) without any problem, no matter how much experience he has got in PvP.

    It would be nice if they would fix/nerf the Ambush-DOff, but to everyone who still believes, that they will do it: Stop dreaming and wake up! It's like believing that all the fairy tales that you had read or heard when you were children, are true!


    Sorry if my English isn't the best, it isn't my mothertongue
  • dixiemonroedixiemonroe Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    01. Item: Compressed Cryo Launcher
    Issue: No exist Armors with resistance against Cold, it makes all the other Pulsewaves useless regarding damage
    Status: We are considering a solution, and would appreciate feedback...

    Our plan is to examine the max Cold Resist a player can reasonably obtain (probably via Nukara EV Suits), and we will then use that as a baseline for Max Resists when compared against what can be obtained for a standard energy type like Phaser or Disruptor. From there, we will tune the damage this weapon deals against PLAYERS ONLY, to approximately match the DPS of a comparable weapon of a different energy type, based on that upper limit. The weapon's effectiveness in PvE will remain unaltered.
    Fix: The damage dealt TO PLAYERS by the Cryo Pulsewave weapons has been reduced to 75% of its previous output. (Damage output vs. NPCs is completely unchanged.)

    02. Race: Caitian/Ferasan
    Issue: Jump height can be used to exploit pathing mistakes on Shanty Town to access areas where other players cannot follow and to directly cross obstacles that should be impassible. Even if it were not for this, jump height would be a powerful ability: you can evade most of the damage from engineer mines and bombs by jumping over them, jump to evade the damage from a grenade or an orbital strike (even if you are rooted).
    Status: The jump height pathing exploits are very difficult to address, and artificially limiting a Trait of this type on a select subset of maps just doesn't make much sense. We are exploring our options.

    Roots should prevent jumping, but it's an animation issue. We are working toward a solution to that (and a few other movement-related inconsistencies) but they are unlikely to go live before our May update.


    03. Trait: Pounce
    Issue: It is an Exploit attack, it is a high damage knockback attack, is not affected by holds and slows, it does not share a cooldown with Lunge, its cooldown is too short.
    Status: I can't yet offer any feedback about it's combat functionality, but we're planning to add a category cooldown between Pounce and Lunge, such that using one ability will put the other on a half-duration cooldown. Owning both powers will still allow you to use them twice as fast as a non-Felinoid, but not back-to-back.
    Fix: Lunge and Pounce now share a 6.0 sec Category cooldown

    04. Item: Romulan Xenobiologist Kit Mk XII
    Issue: Doesn't represent an option for PvP like the Fire Team XII or the Fabrication Specialist MK XII

    05. Ability: Pets not despawning after Engineer death
    Issue: When an Engineer Dies, their summoned objects remain allowing them to summon even more of those objects, allowing a lot of spam.
    Status: It is not our intent that pets summoned via Kits should remain in the world once that Kit is removed from an active inventory slot.

    In other words, if an Engineer summons a Phaser Turret, then swaps kits, that Phaser Turret should be removed from the world. This is not currently working as intended, and is a major boundary to a fair-and-balanced Ground PvP environment, that we intend to address in the near future.

    If removing this multi-summon ability renders any associated ability undesirable as a result, we will examine their effectiveness of each ability in more detail only after the ability to stack them is fixed.

    We're focusing on kit swapping in this fix, but intend to adjust how death interacts with these summoned turrets, as well.

    The intended behavior that we're aiming for, is for turrets to be allowed to linger after the Engineer's death, but get replaced if s/he summons a new one after respawning.

    06. Level Design: Invisible Walls in Shanty Town
    Issue: Shanty Town is having a number of invisible walls that don't do much against the major pathing exploits in the map, but do make it harder for everyone to navigate around except for Caitians/Ferasans

    07. Trait: Feline Instincts/Predatory Instincts
    Issue: This trait is the only one on ground that provides a dodge bonus.. since dodging (taking-half damage) is the most important stat on ground caitians/ferasans are the only races that have access to it and thus are more durable then any other race. The difference noticed by a cat stacking up: trait bonus + omega + gambler + crouch/sprint + additional dodge from teammates with omega is so huge that it may also be worth looking if dodging is maybe stacking to good in general

    08. Level Design: Running Virus in Shanty Town
    Issue: The virus in shanty town is like the flag in capture the flag games, yet most people don't even notice whats going on there because the virus can be moved while under perfect cloak (covert trait + stealth module) and can be captured while under cloak (omega cloak+covert trait).. thus the virus carrier is never ever showing up on the minimap, the base turrets will never see anything either, making this totally unintuitive and hard to handle
    Fix: Players in possession of the Virus on Shanty Town will find themselves unable to activate Stealth abilities until they get rid of the Virus. Or die.

    09. Doff: Diagnostic Engineer: Chance to increase ranged damage with Equipment Diagnostics
    Issue: The equipment diagnostic doff dmg proc can be stacked, equipping 3 DE doffs while switching through multiple Equipment Technician kits rebuffing equipment diagnostic allows to continuously increase ranged damage (this includes gunfire and orbital strike damage). This allows engineers with enough kits to swap to increase dmg to get close/surpass even tac dmg and for more then one shot even.

    10. Ability: Nanite Health Monitor
    Issue: Buffs stay around on ground after switching kits.. means a science medic switching kits buffing his teammates while staying out of combat can buff 5 people with NHM compared to one on just one kit only being able to buff 2 people within its cooldown duration. In comparison when trying the same thing in space swapping a boff cancels transfer shield (or similar) even on the target. This very same issue may affect a couple more buffs.

    11. Ability: Plasma Grenade
    Issue:When a grenade is thrown while under cloak (covert trait + omega + enough range so the victim can't see) the victim will not see a grenade impact circle, the one throwing it will see one however. Those "cloak-nades" are thus hard to dodge and when fully buffed present a way to one-shot people with no time to react/counter - cause they don't even know whats coming.

    12. Ability: Suppressing Fire
    Issue: The description for this power indicates that it debuffs All Damage. This is not correct. Suppressing Fire does not debuff the damage done by melee weapons, Lunge, or Pounce. This is a balance problem, not just a display problem, because it falls under the category of an intended counter that does not actually counter the powers it is supposed to.

    13. Ability: Dampening Field
    This power debuffs all energy damage. Historically, this was identical to debuffing all gun damage, but with the emergence and popularity of highly effective guns that do non-energy damage, this power is no longer doing its job. Dampening Field, which used to be a sci's best defense against a cloaker's oneshot, is now entirely useless against it, because neither the cryo pulsewave nor the lunge are debuffed by it.
    Status: This sounds reasonable. It would make sense to add all Environmental damage types to Dampening Field (Cold, Fire, Radiation, etc).
    Fix: Dampening Field now reduces Environmental Damage, such as Cold, Fire, and Radiation, in addition to Energy Damage.

    14. Ability: Stealth module
    Issue: The animation of stealth module is slow enough to allow dmg to be dealt (either directly or by ability) while the fading-out process has already started. This means cloak users can time their attacks within this fade-out duration and deal attacks while being already within the process of fading out and will even after going invisible still finish their dmg animations

    15. Trait: Covert
    Issue: In the past covert was a trait that allowed cloakers to get few meters closer undetected then cloakers without this trait, after covert was buffed covert + stealth module are so powerfull that even when you exactly know where some covert cloaker stands no amount of perception seems to overcome the cloak value, only debuffs will. Perception abilities abilities and traits are thus a lot less usefull those days then they used to be and theres no real counter to cloak anymore

    16. Weapon Ability: Photon Grenade Launcher
    Issue: The KHG and Adapted MACO weapons secondary fire "Photon Grenade Launcher" draws no impact circle on the floor, thus when making fully buffed shots from range in a crowded pvp provide an easy way to deal severe area effect dame (up to even one shots) without giving the victims of this tactic much chance to dodge it

    17. Item: Ophidian Cane
    Issue (1): While Tactical Initiative is active, this item's special power has no cooldown, and can be triggered repeatedly for the duration of tac init.
    Issue (2): While the Cane is active, the player is supposed to be locked into the animation and unable to act. This is not the case. Triggering any kit power or attacking will clear the Hold effect but not the health drain effect on enemies, and allow the user to shoot and buff normally, although the user cannot move while the animation is in progress. In conjunction with (1), this allows someone to theoretically trigger the Cane, hold their oponent, shoot them, hold them again, shoot them again, hold them again, etc, for the full duration of tactical initiative.
    Status: Activating Tactical Initiative (Ground) will no longer allow the Ophidian Cane to be infinitely recast without a cooldown.
    Fix: Activating Tactical Initiative Ground will no longer allow you to infinitely re-use the Ophidian Cane without a timer.

    18. Item: Stasis Pistol
    Issue: The Stasis pistol generate a Guaranteed extended Hold. During this hold the target is suppose to receive a damage immunity. But under the effects of a Weapon Malfunction or the Lobi Store grenade this Immunity can be removed and the target can be killed while they are being held
    http://youtu.be/EzH4S9N3Byk
    Fix: Weapons Malfunction no longer eliminates the Damage Immunity portion of the Stasis Pistol's secondary attack.

    19. Ability: Transphasic Bomb
    Issue: Since Season 7 this ability has a proximity detection radius making it go off by itself if an enemy gets close, resulting in no cooldown after explosion. If trigger it manually the ability enters in cooldown as intended.

    20. Item: Omega PSG
    Issue: Wearing the Omega Shield will result in receiving exposes when taking damage. Instead of the Damage Dealer receiving an expose
    http://youtu.be/L973L0NTdvM
    Fix: The Omega Force Personal Shields will no longer proc an expose on the wearer rather than the attacker.

    21. Mechanic: Knockback Resistance
    Issue: Knockback effects can be chained back to back essentially indefinitely, resulting in a fight where one person is unable to take any actions from the first hit until he is dead. There is supposed to be a resistance to knockback that procs when you get knocked, but it doesn't work.
    http://youtu.be/w6nnusE6eT4

    22. Mechanic: Hold Resistance
    Issue: The resistance that should develop against holds it's not working. This can be from Stun affects or Root affects.
    http://youtu.be/baWmNqd2UJs

    23. Ability: Reroute Power to Shields
    Issue: Activating Reroute Power to Shields will cause the user to receive an expose effect instead of the damage dealer.
    http://youtu.be/BkETv1ymfOE
    Fix: Reroute Power to Shields will no longer expose the player rather than enemies that were firing at the user.

    24. Item: Omega Gun
    Issue: The Omega gun has an Immobilize proc that is very high. This proc develops no Immunity. Using multiple Omega guns in a team formation allows a team to lockdown other teams and allow AOE damage to kill the opponents. A team format using this would use two engineers with Mortars and 3 Science officers. Charging in they can use the Omega Guns to hold their targets in place indefinitely while the mortars do their damage
    http://youtu.be/PkcLgSi8III

    25. Ability: Weapons Malfunction / Polaron proc
    Issue: Once an enemy is hit by it, after the weapon disable effect wears off by itself (or on usage of a power cell), it triggers an immunity effect that lasts for 60 seconds. This timer is not on par with other immunity procs (20 seconds). Additionally, if the ability is used again within that period of time, the timer is reset back to full 60s, making it difficult to use the skill to keep pressure or to more consistently reduce damage output from the affected target. A misleading effect of this is that while the target is immune to further effects of WM upon re-application, the target will show the orange lightning effect but their weapons will work as normal.

    26. Ability: Orbital Strike
    Issue: The targeting recticle that shows up on the floor prior to Orbital Strike landing has disappeared for federation characters. Oddly, KDF orbital strike still shows normally. This was reported on Tribble before Legacy of Romulus went live but wasn't addressed.

    27. Trait: Medical Vanguard
    Issue: This trait remains active for the duration of nanite health monitor when a science officer casts it on them self. When cast on another player it counts down correctly. Medical vanguard also stays active indefinitely while wearing elite fleet armor allowing a science officer to have perfect shields until nanite generator triggers

    And a quote from johnharrisonlol

    "Not really so much fun in a test. But I can tell you from the vast ground experience I have that it's more than a bit cheap. It is by far the worst thing ever in ground pvp. And even after the nerf I can tell you for sure I will be hitting even higher ticks when I choose to. The fun has been using these for revenge against other exploiters in the q's. And man the past few days I must have racked up a huge bill! "

    All the exploits listed are used in PvP to get the kill. I bet almost every tac officer uses them .. even the PvP so called masters.. yes they do I have played against them recently.

    It looks like if a master PvPer loses to an exploit they cry foul. But if they are winning with an exploit they say " You have no skills"

    The doff is OP in PvP .. I agree with that. But teh kit swapping and killing people with all the listed exploits that is not a skill it is exploiting the ones who do not know about them.
  • buccaneerdtbbuccaneerdtb Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It is a shame, but Ghost Recon Online has been getting my money that Star Trek Online would get if it had decent (balanced) PvP.
  • buccaneerdtbbuccaneerdtb Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I just know I have little problem taking any engy using any kit down 1 on 1.

    cough ... cough ...
  • dixiemonroedixiemonroe Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Saw this on another thread and it is in the tribble patch notes:

    Duty Officers
    Resolved an issue where the DoT from Security Officer's Ambush Active Roster power would benefit twice from damage-increasing buffs, powers, and skills
    Resolved an issue where the DoT from Security Officer's Ambush Active Roster power would ignore resistance to Physical damage
    The DoT from Security Officer's Ambush Active Roster power can now be removed by healing at least half of the afflicted target's maximum health. It can also be cleansed by any powers which remove Physical DoTs.
  • borgresearcherborgresearcher Member Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    knocky wrote: »
    People PvP on the ground?

    i do, and as it seems, more people do
  • solarstreaksolarstreak Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Wow, look at that :eek: It is actually getting fixed, bravo.

    I wish people would make as big a stink about knockback being broken. Maybe that would get fixed. It artificially inflates the power of teams that run a lot of caitians, tactical officers using the operative kit (lunge is the culprit here), [kb3] weapons, and any weapon with a chance to knockback. It can ruin a good match.

    One of my fleetmates put it this way, "If I ever feel like doing ground pvp, I'll just go outside and practice falling over". Very funny, and sadly true. :(
    Selun'x Alien Sci - Zarza Reman Tac
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,164 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Wow, look at that :eek: It is actually getting fixed, bravo.

    I wish people would make as big a stink about knockback being broken. Maybe that would get fixed. It artificially inflates the power of teams that run a lot of caitians, tactical officers using the operative kit (lunge is the culprit here), [kb3] weapons, and any weapon with a chance to knockback. It can ruin a good match.

    One of my fleetmates put it this way, "If I ever feel like doing ground pvp, I'll just go outside and practice falling over". Very funny, and sadly true. :(

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7hSkXPK9Qw knockback Video on Yt lol
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    Thank you for the Typhoon!
  • dixiemonroedixiemonroe Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    thay8472 wrote: »

    I watched the video and someone got butt whooped.

    Using the sword exploit in ground PvP is a dishonorable attack .. but can be defeated.

    I was having that issue and a very good PvP er told me to jump .. You end up getting knocked back further so you will have time to recover.

    I took his advice and whipped the heck out of a player trying the exploit and I have not seen him since.

    A SCi can also use sonic pulse to get separation along with tach harmonic.

    Carry a KB3 pw in your inventory it never hurts.

    Stay out of the corners when someone comes at you with a sword.

    Sometimes fellow teammates in PvP refuse to assist a person/Teammate using that exploit .. them are usually the good guys.

    If you want to really TRIBBLE them off get a stasis pistol .. They want to be an TRIBBLE you can be an TRIBBLE to.

    Swords to me are way OP. I dont see how a sword can go through a personal shield at 80% penetration. Seems like if a sword hit a personal shield you would get KB + electrical damage .. seems that what happens in sci fi anyways.
  • mrkollinsmrkollins Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yeah, jumping does the work and sometimes rolling.

    But still, is broken.
    Division Hispana
    www.divisionhispana.com
  • borgresearcherborgresearcher Member Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    my brother have 3 ambush purple doffs, he can one shot kill anyone with a sniper! he runs away and the dot kills me -.-
  • philipagphilipag Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    So was this what was addressed in the last patch? Do they no longer stack?
  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Swords to me are way OP. I dont see how a sword can go through a personal shield at 80% penetration. Seems like if a sword hit a personal shield you would get KB + electrical damage .. seems that what happens in sci fi anyways.
    The slow blade penetrates the shield, that's why.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • dixiemonroedixiemonroe Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The slow blade penetrates the shield, that's why.

    So if a golfer slows down his swing he can hit the ball a greater distance? If a batter slows his swing he will hit a baseball a longer distance?

    If I stick a shard of metal in to a electrical field of multiple and modulating frequencies I am going tobe able to tap dance around the inside of this field ? or would I get knocked back with a new Orpheus in my body where the electricity shot out my body killing me in the process?
  • buccaneerdtbbuccaneerdtb Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Swords to me are way OP. I dont see how a sword can go through a personal shield at 80% penetration. Seems like if a sword hit a personal shield you would get KB + electrical damage .. seems that what happens in sci fi anyways.

    And strangely Lunge does 3X the damage of a sword. It seems knights were so stupid carrying swords, all the time they would have been far deadlier just drop-kick lunging.
  • crusader2007crusader2007 Member Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Has this been fixed yet?

    Duty Officers:


    Resolved an issue where the DoT from Security Officer's Ambush Active Roster power would benefit twice from damage-increasing buffs, powers, and skills
    Resolved an issue where the DoT from Security Officer's Ambush Active Roster power would ignore resistance to Physical damage
    The DoT from Security Officer's Ambush Active Roster power can now be removed by healing at least half of the afflicted target's maximum health. It can also be cleansed by any powers which remove Physical DoTs.



    Anyone test it lately
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