The whole "There's a fleet ship in the works" thing is so mindnumbingly annoying... It's a ship with a 10% hull and shield boost and an extra console... And usually for the KDF it's the wrong extra console (because the B'Rel needed that 4th Eng slot)...
If it takes so long to adjust the hull and shield mods and throw an extra console on that the process needs to be referred to as "in the works", then there is no reason to have any faith in any of Cryptic's abilities...
If they released fleet versions of the Kar'fi or Guramba, that would at least be progress, but just that in itself is still ridiculously lazy simply for the fact it should have happened 6 months ago... How the KDF doesn't have a 5/2 weapon ship or a raptor with 5 tac consoles blows my mind...
I agree with this person. There are never any truly good Klingon ships. Every time there is some kind of an update, it is mainly some kind of Federation ship. But whenever there WAS new Klingon ships, they had a feeling like they lacked in something. If the Federation can get the Andorian ship set that has 5 front weapons, and SEVERAL bad TRIBBLE carriers, and the Romulans (which JUST came out BTW) can have the Scimitars that have 5 front weapons, why cant the Klingons have this as well?
STOP IGNORING THE KLINGONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are people too ya know
Someone mentioned Universal Boff slots. Speaking as someone who, through their choice of class and faction and ship type preference, has had to buy a mirror ship from the exchange to have an actual chioce of ships :rolleyes:, why the fleet Ha'nom is the ONLY Romulan fleet ship that doesn't have a universal boff slot is beyond me.... but this is a Klingon thread and I digress.
The whole "There's a fleet ship in the works" thing is so mindnumbingly annoying... It's a ship with a 10% hull and shield boost and an extra console... And usually for the KDF it's the wrong extra console (because the B'Rel needed that 4th Eng slot)...
If it takes so long to adjust the hull and shield mods and throw an extra console on that the process needs to be referred to as "in the works", then there is no reason to have any faith in any of Cryptic's abilities...
If they released fleet versions of the Kar'fi or Guramba, that would at least be progress, but just that in itself is still ridiculously lazy simply for the fact it should have happened 6 months ago... How the KDF doesn't have a 5/2 weapon ship or a raptor with 5 tac consoles blows my mind...
It's a big game, and there's lots of people to keep happy. Honestly, I'd worry less about new ships spend money on and worry more about new STFs and mission to actually run in the ships you've got. I don't know about you, but I'm about bored to tears with running Azure Nebula Rescue and The Vault Ensnared.
There's no doubt that the Rommie ships are OP right now, but if you're not in the 1% of players who actually care about PVP, that's not nearly as important as the forced repetition of content.
This is also very true. T5 reps? Don't do PvP? End game is '1. get gear, 2. unlock costumes, 3. spend EC/Zen/Dil on the various shinies, 4. repeat stuff you've already done for accolades, 5. find different game.' And not necessarily in that order.
"So my fun is wrong?"
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
The whole "There's a fleet ship in the works" thing is so mindnumbingly annoying... It's a ship with a 10% hull and shield boost and an extra console... And usually for the KDF it's the wrong extra console (because the B'Rel needed that 4th Eng slot)...
If it takes so long to adjust the hull and shield mods and throw an extra console on that the process needs to be referred to as "in the works", then there is no reason to have any faith in any of Cryptic's abilities...
If they released fleet versions of the Kar'fi or Guramba, that would at least be progress, but just that in itself is still ridiculously lazy simply for the fact it should have happened 6 months ago... How the KDF doesn't have a 5/2 weapon ship or a raptor with 5 tac consoles blows my mind...
Quoted for truth, adding that Raptors need Battle Cloaks. That part is mind boggling as well.
We have many excellent ship.
Any BoP
The Fleet Somraw raptor
Garuma
Kar'fi
The Fleet Tor'khat
The fleet Negh'var
The Peg'hu vet ship
Just to name a few. The KDF has better battle cruisers on average.
Some of our ships are out of date now, years after they where created, and could use a looksie but that should be expected in any game where the newest vessels are over-designed to sell well.
To say we have no good ships though is wrong.
The whole "There's a fleet ship in the works" thing is so mindnumbingly annoying... It's a ship with a 10% hull and shield boost and an extra console... And usually for the KDF it's the wrong extra console (because the B'Rel needed that 4th Eng slot)...
If it takes so long to adjust the hull and shield mods and throw an extra console on that the process needs to be referred to as "in the works", then there is no reason to have any faith in any of Cryptic's abilities...
If they released fleet versions of the Kar'fi or Guramba, that would at least be progress, but just that in itself is still ridiculously lazy simply for the fact it should have happened 6 months ago... How the KDF doesn't have a 5/2 weapon ship or a raptor with 5 tac consoles blows my mind...
In the works doesn't mean they are having a hard time adding the 10% and console, it means they are trying to time the release to sell more Modules.
I would be back in the Garumba tomorrow if the Fleet version came out. I'm going back to it for awhile when I finish the Carrier I'm currently in. (Need some Romulan Plasma Disruptors & a Kinetic Cutting Beam).
I was once DKnight1000, apparently I had taken my own name so now I'm DKnight0001. If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why. When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
The Romulans will never be able to claim that, and the Feds still hate us to eternity.
There is no need for such claim. The righteous Romulans have simply reunited with their ancestral homeland of Vulcan - a member of the Federation. Eventually, New Romulus will apply for Federation membership when they are ready. As for the few rogue Romulans who lost their ways and chose to help the evil Klingon, their number is so small, it's not even worth a mention.
Now you see, I am poorly versed in Klingon ships. All I knew is that this was a Klingon carrier that launched multiple Mirror B'Rel pets, maybe you guys can put a name to the destroyed Klingon carrier. Its Captain, Santuk, only had the time to type : "eeks" in the chat box before being destroyed. The whole attack took less than 15 sec., within the duration of a single APO.
Suffice to say, KDF ships with hangar pets are among the easiest things to deal with. Like they are slow - super slow, weak hull, doesn't cloak well or no cloak at all. Yes, they got lots of pets but pets are easily disposed of with the right skills. In most cases, pets can just be ignored completely. Better still, a single Scramble Sensor will send them right back at attacking their launcher.
Then again, yet another Klingon crying thread - what else is new?
I run a fleet Tor'kaht on my most played avatar. And I don't feel there is a fed side cruiser or science ship that can compete with her. Lots of hull HP, greats shield strength, and a turn rate that leaves fed players as green as a finely formed Orion.
And while I might not be able to get the same level of offensive buffs in that a Fed escort has, I equal them in potential damage. And thats with a Science officer captain. Now it would be damd nice to have a actuall KLINGON science type ship ( and not a clone of a fed sci of any stripe) availible. And it certainly would be a fine thing if the Raptors were better. The turning rate issue with raptors is a bit of a pain, and I don't know of many players that fly them. KDF players seem to be pretty much BOP pilots, Carrier and battlecruiser captains. Especially if they're doing PvP.
KSF could use some more tactical flexibility. And I would frankly love to have something better in the way of a science ship on the klingon paradyme. I do not like the Gorn ships as they're pretty much a cut and paste of fed SCI ships.
I'm also surprised that the KDF has not had a 5 fore weapon ship. If any faction's ships in STO should have such a configuration it should be the KDF.
We'll see what comes later in the year... and i seriously hope that we're not looking forward to another Bort.. I know players that fly them, and swear by them. I more of the crowd that swears at them *shrug*. The last thing the KDF needs is another brick in space.
We do have a good selection of ships, but were far from variety in actall Klingon ships.
The Nasican destroyers and the Orion hybrid ships are fine vessels. and I see a good many of them in use.
And I'm pretty sure the transporter officer on Qo'nos got transferred to the ship development team... I'm almost afraid to see what our next ship will be.
I run a Fleet Norgh/Ning'tao when I PvP, and a Guramba when I'm focusing on PvE. Both are good ships. My biggest issue with the BoP class is really that their once-exclusive advantages are no longer exclusive. Every Romulan has a battlecloak, and universal boff stations are rather common now. The BoP class needs something to give it a true edge once again, to compensate for the historically low hull and overall tanking. A buff to the impulse mod or the battlecloak mechanics would be perfect for this, imo. Doesn't remove the hull vulnerability, and enables the BoP to become more effective at its traditional role as a hit-and-run raider/sci-attacking raider.
Didn't know we were going 100% by canon for everything in this game and not making any allowances at all for the sake of "balance"... Didn't know that...
The KDF have exactly 1 carrier that can launch BoPs while every single Fed carrier can launch Runabouts... Hmmm.... Riiiiiiiiiiiight...
Runabouts are not meant to be an analogue to BoPs. Just no.
That said, I don't entirely disagree with you about Klinks getting short-shrift. But it is a numbers game; there's simply more people playing Fed.
My sole complaint with KDF ships so far is that the Fleet Marauder Retrofit doesn't have a Fleet skin.
Forget the possibility of PvP, for so much has become pay-to-win, never to be balanced. Forget the promise of exploration and research, for in the grim dark future of Star Trek Online there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting publishers.
Why does the Varanus not have a hangar bay?
Why does the Negh'var not have a hangar bay?
Why does the Bortasqu not have a hangar bay?
Why is there no Fleet Guramba?
Why is there no Fleet Kar'fi?
Why do the KDF not have a 5 fore weapon ship?
Why do the KDF not have a 5 tac console escort?
Why do the KDF not have a 5 tac console and 5 fore weapon escort?
That the Vesta can launch runabouts and the Negh'Var can't launch BoP pets is so ridiculously facepalmish it takes stupidity to a whole new level...
But hey, the new Romy ships are bringing the $$$ so I suppose the business model is working as intended...
I think its funny he totally missed the fact that KDF have the only actual cruiser that has a hanger bay, or at least up until the scimitar was released, and they had TWO of them to choose from.
Also, BOPs are much bigger than runabouts. BoPs should remain Voquv only, that ship is fantastic and those pets would be almost game breakingly good if they could go on a different ship. The hanger arguement is a TRIBBLE poor one for KDF, since they are the current king of carriers and I think the game will keep them that way. (which it should).
The console issue is a flavour thing. The KDF actually had the first 5 console ship ever, which was the Bortasqu'.
The KDF focusses on battle cruisers, and their most powerful ships have always been battle cruisers. The federation makes all their tactical ships into escorts. KDF raptors are supposed to be scout ships, so they should have a more balanced feel, because of their long range nature (where escorts are combat only, generally short ranged ships, hence the escort name, they stay close to the big cruisers)
I think the distinction should remain so that the two sides have some flavour differences rather than homogenize the ship lines because of the whining. The game has now added a THIRD (green) option that gives both factions a taste of the other factions capabilities (though not as good as pure KDF battlecruisers or Fed escorts).
Fed shouldn't get battlecruisers.
KDF shouldn't get specialized escorts.
I agree about the Garumba and Kar'fi, but this is not a KDF only problem. I think they should go through and do a pass and add fleet versions of the alternate racial ships.
So yeah, fleet Garumbas, Kar'fis, Marauders, but also fleet D'Kyrs, Atroxes, and Gal-X's.
But it is a numbers game; there's simply more people playing Fed.
Partly because they don't expand the other faction(s) far enough to be in the same numbers. Look at other MMO's that have opposing factions. They DO have plenty of numbers on both sides.
So a lack of attention to KDF may be hindering their money making and actually curbing their own numbers down.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
I'm tired of speculating about whats coming. Or hearing people's posts about what they want to see in a Klingon ship(It isn't going to happen so give it a break:cool:) Or hearing about how the Crpytic has abandoned ship design for the KDF.....we know. Thats obvious.
What I do know is I'm not spending another dime on this game until a see a Klingon ship. I don't care about the Romulans, and I rarely play my Federation Captain so neither of them is getting any love from my wallet.
Cryptic likes to say they neglected the Klingons because of a business decision, well that swings both ways. If they don't have a product that a want to buy, then I won't do business with them.
I guess I come off as being a cynic, but oh well. Just how I see it.
meh, I like my kar'fi and guramba. Fleet versions would be nice, but whatever.
I like my KDF and KDF-Rom ships better than my fed ships, but there is room for improvement.
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Why does the Varanus not have a hangar bay? --> 1
Why does the Negh'var not have a hangar bay? --> 2
Why does the Bortasqu not have a hangar bay? --> 3
Why is there no Fleet Guramba? --> 4
Why is there no Fleet Kar'fi? --> 5
Why do the KDF not have a 5 fore weapon ship? --> 6
Why do the KDF not have a 5 tac console escort? --> 7
Why do the KDF not have a 5 tac console and 5 fore weapon escort? --> 8
That the Vesta can launch runabouts and the Negh'Var can't launch BoP pets is so ridiculously facepalmish it takes stupidity to a whole new level...
But hey, the new Romy ships are bringing the $$$ so I suppose the business model is working as intended...
1 - There are FED C-Store science ships that don't have an hangar.
2 - No one non-C-Store ship has an hangar.
3 - The Odyssey don't have and hangar.
4 & 5 - not every ship has its own fleet version.
6-7-8 - FED and ROM had their super-destroyer recently, don't worry, even KDF will have its own in a short time.
However, yes ... I agree that KDF needs new ships as soon as possible.
You were all excited with loR, now please play with your stupid loR ships and dont complain.LoR shouldnt ever be launched, you want it? Now you have it...
just want to say that the KLINGON's have the normal Vo'quv Carrier for free at level 40 and also has access to the mirror version. so actually the Klingons have a plus here compared to the Feds.
just want to say that the KLINGON's have the normal Vo'quv Carrier for free at level 40 and also has access to the mirror version. so actually the Klingons have a plus here compared to the Feds.
I fly a Mirror Vo'Quv because it was cheap off the exchange and it is VERY capable. A fun ship. Not as fun as my Pig Carrier, but fun in a different way. Spec them right and you can dish out the DPS.
While i agree that the klinks are getting neglected, i dont understand the obsession with sticking hangers on cruisers? The Bort is the klink version of the oddy and i love the Bop that comes with it, the negh'var is a cruiser not a carrier and the varanus is a run of the mill sci ship similar to the fed nova, nebula etc etc, i would love to see a kdf vesta as long as they dont get lazy an just clone it.
I do agree with the OP and the neglected part but I can see some ships needing to have a hangar but then again part of the reason KDF ships were *beasts* to begin with is it filled the role of the fear the Klingon Empire represented which in this game for money grabs is becoming less and less fearful with each new ship Cryptic has pushed out.
That's a very interesting complaint, given that there is no such thing as a Fleet Marauder...
Whoops. I meant Fleet Corsair. My bad.
(Though I'd probably buy a Fleet Marauder if it had a more flexible BOff seating than the non-Fleet version!)
Forget the possibility of PvP, for so much has become pay-to-win, never to be balanced. Forget the promise of exploration and research, for in the grim dark future of Star Trek Online there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting publishers.
Partly because they don't expand the other faction(s) far enough to be in the same numbers. Look at other MMO's that have opposing factions. They DO have plenty of numbers on both sides.
So a lack of attention to KDF may be hindering their money making and actually curbing their own numbers down.
Other MMOs are based on factions that were always even. Star Trek is about the Federation. All other factions are bit players in the IP. KDF population is about where CBS stats show their fanbase is in relation to the Federation.
KDF doesn't buy stuff in quantities that make it worth making. Ironically if that doesn't change there might wind up being more Romulan releases, which so far have been selling very well.
I can still agree with 'KDF population' fan base. But saying 'KDF don't buy stuff' is a total lie and I will call it out.
Alot of KDF people buy what they can. Saying this is easy 'KDF don't buy', but just look at the z-store menu will you, just look at how many ACTUAL end game ships are for sale?
That's right, check that. Now if there were alot of endgame ships and then no one bought 'em and the PWI or Cryptic said 'no profit' - I'd tend to agree.
I'm not a LTS, but I have the full fed unlocked when I was a huge fed player. Past 8 months I've been playing mainly as a KDF sided faction, when I levelled all my characters upto lvl 50, I was baffled by the lack of options I have. The only proper 'escort' with decent hull and stats is the Garumba unlike the Fed side where there are so many types of escorts.
I was able to purchase Borta pack, Garumba, the T1 version of Garumba (Vandal destroyer I believe?), Dragus Support Vessel. I personally am not into Fekh'ri designs though if I ever make a Sci KDF I woulda bought the Karfi.
Regardless, please do look at the store for end game. Am I missing something? The options are way too less. The only other cruiser decent than Borta is the Fleet Tor'khat, which is again.. a fleet ship.. people with e-monies just buy those modules off exchange.
I'm also been looking forward on the Negh'var Refit that has been promised since last year but the dates just keep getting pushed back. In most people's opinion within KDF, Garumba and Borta are the only hit ships z-store purchase wise. Due to lack of endgame KDF options, the KDF side then choose to either grab their veteran destroyer, Korath timeship destroyer or lockbox ships for having some diversity. For example Jem HEC.. KDF side ain't even got a HEC or equivalent.
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For example Jem HEC.. KDF side ain't even got a HEC or equivalent.
Yes, but KDF have a Kar'fi, which while is nowhere close to JHDC, is basically its own level when compare with other non-lockbox carriers.
The real problem with KDF is that the free ship are good. For example, if I want a carrier as a Fed, I must pay zen for Atrox (too science heavy, no frigates), an HEC (which is escort first) or a Vesta (okay for a normal vessel but definitely not a tank), while if I am KDF I can easily get the vo'quv (in fact is free) or mirror vo'quv, both of which are perfectly balanced.
Consider they got all new story and many new missions. So you can level up from 1. And not 20+ now. And they got a few new ships for the lower levels. A cruiser and 1-2 BOP from what I saw. Plus they finally got some features for the outfits to wear. Where before they didn't have it. From the tailor I saw at least a couple new looks.
I say they got a good bit. Now if nothing new comes out for several months. And the other 2 gets all kinds of stuff. Then I would say they got left behind.
To me its not all about just ships. Since I can't fly them all anyways. I should have the Fleet K'Tinga soon. With that will give me 4 ships to use. That is plenty for me. To match anything the game ncps will throw at me.
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If it takes so long to adjust the hull and shield mods and throw an extra console on that the process needs to be referred to as "in the works", then there is no reason to have any faith in any of Cryptic's abilities...
If they released fleet versions of the Kar'fi or Guramba, that would at least be progress, but just that in itself is still ridiculously lazy simply for the fact it should have happened 6 months ago... How the KDF doesn't have a 5/2 weapon ship or a raptor with 5 tac consoles blows my mind...
STOP IGNORING THE KLINGONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are people too ya know
+1.
This is also very true. T5 reps? Don't do PvP? End game is '1. get gear, 2. unlock costumes, 3. spend EC/Zen/Dil on the various shinies, 4. repeat stuff you've already done for accolades, 5. find different game.' And not necessarily in that order.
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
Quoted for truth, adding that Raptors need Battle Cloaks. That part is mind boggling as well.
Any BoP
The Fleet Somraw raptor
Garuma
Kar'fi
The Fleet Tor'khat
The fleet Negh'var
The Peg'hu vet ship
Just to name a few. The KDF has better battle cruisers on average.
Some of our ships are out of date now, years after they where created, and could use a looksie but that should be expected in any game where the newest vessels are over-designed to sell well.
To say we have no good ships though is wrong.
R.I.P
In the works doesn't mean they are having a hard time adding the 10% and console, it means they are trying to time the release to sell more Modules.
I would be back in the Garumba tomorrow if the Fleet version came out. I'm going back to it for awhile when I finish the Carrier I'm currently in. (Need some Romulan Plasma Disruptors & a Kinetic Cutting Beam).
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Only because the Federation has not utilized all its strength to pacify the Klingon. :P
There is no need for such claim. The righteous Romulans have simply reunited with their ancestral homeland of Vulcan - a member of the Federation. Eventually, New Romulus will apply for Federation membership when they are ready. As for the few rogue Romulans who lost their ways and chose to help the evil Klingon, their number is so small, it's not even worth a mention.
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Now you see, I am poorly versed in Klingon ships. All I knew is that this was a Klingon carrier that launched multiple Mirror B'Rel pets, maybe you guys can put a name to the destroyed Klingon carrier. Its Captain, Santuk, only had the time to type : "eeks" in the chat box before being destroyed. The whole attack took less than 15 sec., within the duration of a single APO.
Suffice to say, KDF ships with hangar pets are among the easiest things to deal with. Like they are slow - super slow, weak hull, doesn't cloak well or no cloak at all. Yes, they got lots of pets but pets are easily disposed of with the right skills. In most cases, pets can just be ignored completely. Better still, a single Scramble Sensor will send them right back at attacking their launcher.
Then again, yet another Klingon crying thread - what else is new?
Crying??
Now please excuse me while I LMFAO at this! :P
And while I might not be able to get the same level of offensive buffs in that a Fed escort has, I equal them in potential damage. And thats with a Science officer captain. Now it would be damd nice to have a actuall KLINGON science type ship ( and not a clone of a fed sci of any stripe) availible. And it certainly would be a fine thing if the Raptors were better. The turning rate issue with raptors is a bit of a pain, and I don't know of many players that fly them. KDF players seem to be pretty much BOP pilots, Carrier and battlecruiser captains. Especially if they're doing PvP.
KSF could use some more tactical flexibility. And I would frankly love to have something better in the way of a science ship on the klingon paradyme. I do not like the Gorn ships as they're pretty much a cut and paste of fed SCI ships.
I'm also surprised that the KDF has not had a 5 fore weapon ship. If any faction's ships in STO should have such a configuration it should be the KDF.
We'll see what comes later in the year... and i seriously hope that we're not looking forward to another Bort.. I know players that fly them, and swear by them. I more of the crowd that swears at them *shrug*. The last thing the KDF needs is another brick in space.
We do have a good selection of ships, but were far from variety in actall Klingon ships.
The Nasican destroyers and the Orion hybrid ships are fine vessels. and I see a good many of them in use.
And I'm pretty sure the transporter officer on Qo'nos got transferred to the ship development team... I'm almost afraid to see what our next ship will be.
Runabouts are not meant to be an analogue to BoPs. Just no.
That said, I don't entirely disagree with you about Klinks getting short-shrift. But it is a numbers game; there's simply more people playing Fed.
While this is true, it's no excuse.
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
I think its funny he totally missed the fact that KDF have the only actual cruiser that has a hanger bay, or at least up until the scimitar was released, and they had TWO of them to choose from.
Also, BOPs are much bigger than runabouts. BoPs should remain Voquv only, that ship is fantastic and those pets would be almost game breakingly good if they could go on a different ship. The hanger arguement is a TRIBBLE poor one for KDF, since they are the current king of carriers and I think the game will keep them that way. (which it should).
The console issue is a flavour thing. The KDF actually had the first 5 console ship ever, which was the Bortasqu'.
The KDF focusses on battle cruisers, and their most powerful ships have always been battle cruisers. The federation makes all their tactical ships into escorts. KDF raptors are supposed to be scout ships, so they should have a more balanced feel, because of their long range nature (where escorts are combat only, generally short ranged ships, hence the escort name, they stay close to the big cruisers)
I think the distinction should remain so that the two sides have some flavour differences rather than homogenize the ship lines because of the whining. The game has now added a THIRD (green) option that gives both factions a taste of the other factions capabilities (though not as good as pure KDF battlecruisers or Fed escorts).
Fed shouldn't get battlecruisers.
KDF shouldn't get specialized escorts.
I agree about the Garumba and Kar'fi, but this is not a KDF only problem. I think they should go through and do a pass and add fleet versions of the alternate racial ships.
So yeah, fleet Garumbas, Kar'fis, Marauders, but also fleet D'Kyrs, Atroxes, and Gal-X's.
Partly because they don't expand the other faction(s) far enough to be in the same numbers. Look at other MMO's that have opposing factions. They DO have plenty of numbers on both sides.
So a lack of attention to KDF may be hindering their money making and actually curbing their own numbers down.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
What I do know is I'm not spending another dime on this game until a see a Klingon ship. I don't care about the Romulans, and I rarely play my Federation Captain so neither of them is getting any love from my wallet.
Cryptic likes to say they neglected the Klingons because of a business decision, well that swings both ways. If they don't have a product that a want to buy, then I won't do business with them.
I guess I come off as being a cynic, but oh well. Just how I see it.
I like my KDF and KDF-Rom ships better than my fed ships, but there is room for improvement.
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1 - There are FED C-Store science ships that don't have an hangar.
2 - No one non-C-Store ship has an hangar.
3 - The Odyssey don't have and hangar.
4 & 5 - not every ship has its own fleet version.
6-7-8 - FED and ROM had their super-destroyer recently, don't worry, even KDF will have its own in a short time.
However, yes ... I agree that KDF needs new ships as soon as possible.
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just want to say that the KLINGON's have the normal Vo'quv Carrier for free at level 40 and also has access to the mirror version. so actually the Klingons have a plus here compared to the Feds.
I fly a Mirror Vo'Quv because it was cheap off the exchange and it is VERY capable. A fun ship. Not as fun as my Pig Carrier, but fun in a different way. Spec them right and you can dish out the DPS.
I do agree with the OP and the neglected part but I can see some ships needing to have a hangar but then again part of the reason KDF ships were *beasts* to begin with is it filled the role of the fear the Klingon Empire represented which in this game for money grabs is becoming less and less fearful with each new ship Cryptic has pushed out.
Whoops. I meant Fleet Corsair. My bad.
(Though I'd probably buy a Fleet Marauder if it had a more flexible BOff seating than the non-Fleet version!)
Other MMOs are based on factions that were always even. Star Trek is about the Federation. All other factions are bit players in the IP. KDF population is about where CBS stats show their fanbase is in relation to the Federation.
KDF doesn't buy stuff in quantities that make it worth making. Ironically if that doesn't change there might wind up being more Romulan releases, which so far have been selling very well.
Alot of KDF people buy what they can. Saying this is easy 'KDF don't buy', but just look at the z-store menu will you, just look at how many ACTUAL end game ships are for sale?
That's right, check that. Now if there were alot of endgame ships and then no one bought 'em and the PWI or Cryptic said 'no profit' - I'd tend to agree.
I'm not a LTS, but I have the full fed unlocked when I was a huge fed player. Past 8 months I've been playing mainly as a KDF sided faction, when I levelled all my characters upto lvl 50, I was baffled by the lack of options I have. The only proper 'escort' with decent hull and stats is the Garumba unlike the Fed side where there are so many types of escorts.
I was able to purchase Borta pack, Garumba, the T1 version of Garumba (Vandal destroyer I believe?), Dragus Support Vessel. I personally am not into Fekh'ri designs though if I ever make a Sci KDF I woulda bought the Karfi.
Regardless, please do look at the store for end game. Am I missing something? The options are way too less. The only other cruiser decent than Borta is the Fleet Tor'khat, which is again.. a fleet ship.. people with e-monies just buy those modules off exchange.
I'm also been looking forward on the Negh'var Refit that has been promised since last year but the dates just keep getting pushed back. In most people's opinion within KDF, Garumba and Borta are the only hit ships z-store purchase wise. Due to lack of endgame KDF options, the KDF side then choose to either grab their veteran destroyer, Korath timeship destroyer or lockbox ships for having some diversity. For example Jem HEC.. KDF side ain't even got a HEC or equivalent.
5 FED Fleets | 3 KDF Fleets - T5 Colony on both factions
Yes, but KDF have a Kar'fi, which while is nowhere close to JHDC, is basically its own level when compare with other non-lockbox carriers.
The real problem with KDF is that the free ship are good. For example, if I want a carrier as a Fed, I must pay zen for Atrox (too science heavy, no frigates), an HEC (which is escort first) or a Vesta (okay for a normal vessel but definitely not a tank), while if I am KDF I can easily get the vo'quv (in fact is free) or mirror vo'quv, both of which are perfectly balanced.
I say they got a good bit. Now if nothing new comes out for several months. And the other 2 gets all kinds of stuff. Then I would say they got left behind.
To me its not all about just ships. Since I can't fly them all anyways. I should have the Fleet K'Tinga soon. With that will give me 4 ships to use. That is plenty for me. To match anything the game ncps will throw at me.
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