I can say there are a lot of things wrong with the game but klink ships arnt the problem. They are great ships..LOL they have some of the best pvp and stf ships in the game.
with that being said I would ask for more content game wide. I wish they had a model like Guild wars 2....they seem to release content all the time throughout the year...hopefully they will adopt as well that model.
But klink ships....Ktinga..the many different versions of Bops..yea we want more..cuz those are great!!!!
Cryptic saying Klinks dont buy stuff is kinda the wrong attitude..we want a complete game...HOrde on Wow was just as much a faction as Alliance..at one point Alliance dominated populations...often they still do..but just as often you have servers that have more HOrde..I think people will come if you build....and the game base will increase if you make a COMPLETE GAME!!!!
Cryptic saying Klinks dont buy stuff is kinda the wrong attitude..we want a complete game...HOrde on Wow was just as much a faction as Alliance..at one point Alliance dominated populations...often they still do..but just as often you have servers that have more HOrde..I think people will come if you build....and the game base will increase if you make a COMPLETE GAME!!!!
Cant compare the KDF to the Horde since the Horde has the same access to the exact same classes as the Alliance. No uniqueness other than art style.
none of the c-store ships really is appealing me. why so? mostly stat-wise. there's not the diversity u got on fed side, and thats truely sad.
only reason to buy klink ships for me actually are the cons or fleetship discount. i fly 3 ships klnk side.
a fleet hoh'sus, the vet ship and the kar'fi for pve (got it with token). only one more may attracts me, and that is the fleet scourge. but the vetship seem to outclass that one ability-wise, so no need for that.
(only c-store purchase there was the t3 vandal for the plasmonic con).
don't make money out of klink ships? bring more diversity to klink ships and ya would sell a hell lot more i could imagine. just like ur doing it for about a year now with hec, vesta, andorians, rom-ships in whole (->scimitar).
most of those are bringing unique features, whereas many klink ships i think share the same features (not talkin bout the cons; feel free to correct me).
i own many fed-cstore ships btw, many features there i thought that were worth it to get. not so on klink side.
I can still agree with 'KDF population' fan base. But saying 'KDF don't buy stuff' is a total lie and I will call it out.
Alot of KDF people buy what they can. Saying this is easy 'KDF don't buy', but just look at the z-store menu will you, just look at how many ACTUAL end game ships are for sale?
That's right, check that. Now if there were alot of endgame ships and then no one bought 'em and the PWI or Cryptic said 'no profit' - I'd tend to agree.
I'm not a LTS, but I have the full fed unlocked when I was a huge fed player. Past 8 months I've been playing mainly as a KDF sided faction, when I levelled all my characters upto lvl 50, I was baffled by the lack of options I have. The only proper 'escort' with decent hull and stats is the Garumba unlike the Fed side where there are so many types of escorts.
I was able to purchase Borta pack, Garumba, the T1 version of Garumba (Vandal destroyer I believe?), Dragus Support Vessel. I personally am not into Fekh'ri designs though if I ever make a Sci KDF I woulda bought the Karfi.
Regardless, please do look at the store for end game. Am I missing something? The options are way too less. The only other cruiser decent than Borta is the Fleet Tor'khat, which is again.. a fleet ship.. people with e-monies just buy those modules off exchange.
I'm also been looking forward on the Negh'var Refit that has been promised since last year but the dates just keep getting pushed back. In most people's opinion within KDF, Garumba and Borta are the only hit ships z-store purchase wise. Due to lack of endgame KDF options, the KDF side then choose to either grab their veteran destroyer, Korath timeship destroyer or lockbox ships for having some diversity. For example Jem HEC.. KDF side ain't even got a HEC or equivalent.
On top of that, it doesn't really help when Cryptic keeps releasing ships that the KDF doesn't necessarily need. Sure, it's nice that we're getting something, but it's usually battlecruisers. . .we have at least 3-4 end-game battlecruisers to pick from. Negh'var, Vor'cha, the fleet battlecruisers. . .the Bortas'qu was an ill-considered release, IMO. It's a space whale that can't really use its dual cannon capability on much of anything that moves, and that's not the kind of thing KDF is really enthusiastic about. We generally seem to like battlecruisers like the Vor'cha, Tor'kaht, etc. . .nimble, able to pack a punch, but somewhat less tankier than the heavier battlecruisers.
If Cryptic wants the KDF to buy ships eagerly/enthusiastically, they need to start selling us GOOD science ships, and more raptor/destroyer varieties. They will get a good rate of return on those, because the KDF is kinda starved of those kinds of ships.
Releasing costume options to the C-store would be a nice touch, as well, along with more ship skin options.
none of the c-store ships really is appealing me. why so? mostly stat-wise. there's not the diversity u got on fed side, and thats truely sad.
only reason to buy klink ships for me actually are the cons or fleetship discount. i fly 3 ships klnk side.
a fleet hoh'sus, the vet ship and the kar'fi for pve (got it with token). only one more may attracts me, and that is the fleet scourge. but the vetship seem to outclass that one ability-wise, so no need for that.
(only c-store purchase there was the t3 vandal for the plasmonic con).
don't make money out of klink ships? bring more diversity to klink ships and ya would sell a hell lot more i could imagine. just like ur doing it for about a year now with hec, vesta, andorians, rom-ships in whole (->scimitar).
most of those are bringing unique features, whereas many klink ships i think share the same features (not talkin bout the cons; feel free to correct me).
i own many fed-cstore ships btw, many features there i thought that were worth it to get. not so on klink side.
As a KDF-only player, I'm not in the habit of 'buying stuff for the sake of supporting the company'. I don't have the money for that, and I can't grind up the zen fast enough to do that. EC grinding for fleet modules is also a slow process for me.
As such, I buy ships and C-store stuff that is of actual USE to me. I buy raptors, destroyers, BoPs, and stuff that can compliment what builds I have on these ships. I recently just bought my first Fleet ship, a Fleet Norgh/Ning'tao. I intend to eventually buy a Fleet Scourge. These are both good ships, especially the Scourge, and Cryptic needs to make more of them, as we don't have enough in the destroyer/raptor category.
I don't buy T5 battlecruisers, and the only T4 and below ones I buy are for their consoles.
KDF pain is, I suspect, largely due to the attention currently being given to the Romulans. The fact that the Roms are essentially playing catch-up to the other factions seems to escape a lot of players. Plus, they are new and shiny where the KDF are saddled with 3 years of development baggage; I'm sure the fact that FedRoms are "good guys" also has some bearing on uptake.
Is it a "fact" that the devs have abandoned KDF ships? Based on the two new releases, and the fact that we got bespoke timeships and destroyers, I don't think this really holds water. The big gap is the fact that the Feds have "premium" escorts and sci ships (Kumari / Vesta) to which the KDF have no immediate equivalent.
So what will change...? Well I'd guess that the dev staff have been focussed on Romulans for a while now, now that LoR is out there should be some more scope for revisiting KDF ships. It's not like we're badly served for options in the interim.
The Scimitar wasn't a carrier in Nemesis yet it has a hanger bay so /i agree maybe the Varnaus and Negh'var shouldn't have one but the borty I think should have at least a hanger bay as well as the oddy
Not correct.. remember when the Enterprise rammed the scimi? Remember the scene with the entire hanger bay being destroyed... yup, it had a hangar bay
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The Scimitar wasn't a carrier in Nemesis yet it has a hanger bay so /i agree maybe the Varnaus and Negh'var shouldn't have one but the borty I think should have at least a hanger bay as well as the oddy
Please pay no attention to that large hangar bay.;)
The Garumba is lacking in size to be honest. It doesn't look that frightening as a siege destroyer. I wished they had three types or sizes, one like Ravager, Talon and in between the Garumba-sized we have now. Fleet version would be nice, depending on what extra's it'll get - probably hull and rearranged consoles. The one we have feels more like a escort and not even a heavy one.
I'm flying it proudly as KDF and probably won't settle for anything else, unless they come with something similar of course. The entire raptor shape isn't my kind of thing, even though I like playing KDF Klingon.
Not correct.. remember when the Enterprise rammed the scimi? Remember the scene with the entire hanger bay being destroyed... yup, it had a hangar bay
... making it the only canon Carrier in the whole of Trek . I wonder, if the Romulans had been in the game earlier, they would have been the carrier specialists rather than the Klingons...?
Once they're done with all of the Romulan ships they promised lets see where they go after words before just automatically assume neglect again. Cryptic doesn't exactly churn out new ships every week or month.
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Once they're done with all of the Romulan ships they promised lets see where they go after words before just automatically assume neglect again. Cryptic doesn't exactly churn out new ships every week or month.
Can't exactly fault the KDF community for being skeptical, given past treatment. I'm personally not 100% convinced Cryptic has changed the way it's gonna handle the KDF faction.
Can't exactly fault the KDF community for being skeptical, given past treatment. I'm personally not 100% convinced Cryptic has changed the way it's gonna handle the KDF faction.
I know but I'm hoping! They did promise a bunch of Romulan ships...I mean with the Time ships, Vet ships, and the Flagship that got some work ahead of them.
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Once they're done with all of the Romulan ships they promised lets see where they go after words before just automatically assume neglect again. Cryptic doesn't exactly churn out new ships every week or month.
they seem to churn out more Alien design lock box ships every month compare to any tier 5 KDF ships in the past year... which is none
Mock my word, that will be available before ANY new ships or costumes will be released for the KDF! Stahl stated clearly on GoS interview that will be no KDF ships till late in the year.
I don't want to mock your word, you are probably right.
I don't know, the Danube/Yellowstone Runabouts have some truly great CC abilities... though the new carrier UI is likely to cut down on the ability to cycle cooldowns via respam.
they seem to churn out more Alien design lock box ships every month compare to any tier 5 KDF ships in the past year... which is none
Gotta say it again
Look honey, you keep saying you want to make <Fleet Ships>, and we WILL get the point where you are ready to make <Fleet Ships>... but we're still just talking about it! You're making <Fleet Ships> with someone else, aren't you? Is that why you haven't wanted to make <Fleet Ships> for me?
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With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
I don't want to mock your word, you are probably right.
I don't know, the Danube/Yellowstone Runabouts have some truly great CC abilities... though the new carrier UI is likely to cut down on the ability to cycle cooldowns via respam.
Gotta say it again
Yeah if the AI has a brain...which is yet to be seen with the new ai. Have you ever seen a Gorn drop warp plasma? They're horrible with it and end up missing generally and I don't think the Fek'Ihri ships in starbase defense are much better either.
In the very least if you get caught in it they don't have the ai to run circles around you so you're stuck in the cloud. Much easier to get out of then when a player does it.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
Why do the KDF not have a 5 fore weapon ship?
Why do the KDF not have a 5 tac console escort?
Why do the KDF not have a 5 tac console and 5 fore weapon escort?
These may be the first logical questions you've asked so far.
I will agree with you that none of those first 3 ships should have a hangar if you can reasonably and sensibly explain to me why the Federation has an Escort Carrier and the KDF do not...
So it's fine that the ONLY science ship the KDF has doesn't have a hangar, and that's fine why should it... But then later on, the fact that the Vesta is a science ship is a reason given to why it has a hangar... Cool logical fallacy champ...
To further the disparity let's jst go ahead and add to that the fact the Feds are being given non-fleet 10 console ships- Vesta and Kumari; all the while the KDF haven't gotten a new ship in over a year (2 new Lt. level BoPs don't count), and that ship is loathed by 95% of the KDF base...
I will agree with you that none of those first 3 ships should have a hangar if you can reasonably and sensibly explain to me why the Federation has an Escort Carrier and the KDF do not...
So it's fine that the ONLY science ship the KDF has doesn't have a hangar, and that's fine why should it... But then later on, the fact that the Vesta is a science ship is a reason given to why it has a hangar... Cool logical fallacy champ...
To further the disparity let's jst go ahead and add to that the fact the Feds are being given non-fleet 10 console ships- Vesta and Kumari; all the while the KDF haven't gotten a new ship in over a year (2 new Lt. level BoPs don't count), and that ship is loathed by 95% of the KDF base...
Vo'quv is a science ship and does have 2 hangers, hopefully this year Cryptic will give KDF versions of the Vesta and the andorian kumari.
Vo'quv is a science ship and does have 2 hangers, hopefully this year Cryptic will give KDF versions of the Vesta and the andorian kumari.
Please do not let the Cmdr. science slot and subsystem targeting fool you, the Vo'quv is NOT a science ship... It is a carrier... It has a 1.0 shield mod, 5 turning, 20 inertia, +10 to aux/+5 to weapons... It is no more a science ship than the mirror version is a cruiser...
It also is a lvl 40 ship, and the fleet version requires a Tier 5 shipyard... The Vo'quv as a counter-argument to any previous points fails hard...
I'd like to see them put an extra hangar bay on the fleet version of the Orion Marauder. No extra consoles or the rest, just one hangar bay. Its always irked me that the Orions, who seem to love launching vessels from their various ships, don't have a 2 hangar ship. This one seems right to me. Its not the toughest Cruiser, not the best loadout, and doesn't have any TS abilities. Given it can only arm basic beams as well and turns like a pig, I wouldn't see a harm in giving it extra hangars. Perhaps I'm wrong though.
Oh and I think for aggressive 5 fore slot ships, they should make that the Lethean ships. I dont' know why, but when I see Lethean I expect something swift and aggressive.
All this aside though, this is just ships. At the end of the day I hope they quit releasing new ships, or at least sizably slow it down. I'd rather see them find new ways for us to enhance what we already have. I'm tired of changing ships just to try out the latest greatest thing. The ship is a character in the series, and it should be in the game. Something is lost if it is not that way. I for one would like to see more investment being made into developing the crew (Boffs & Doffs), and I'm not just talking about tossing your green boff for a purple one with just the right abilities. I'm talking about something which makes the BOFF or the DOFF better. Secondly, I'd rather see a system that involves making our space character (Our Ship) more unique. I think this is the way of the future for this game, as eventually I really don't see the point in them continually making new ships that only look vaguely different from the tier beneath it. Granted there is still room for them to add ships, but I believe that they are running out of room in that regard. When that happens they'll need to find a new way to mix things up and make them interesting I think.
Essentially the only true science ship the KDF has is the Varanus support vessel, and it's a reasonably good one. One option for a true science vessel is NOT enough. The Corsair is more of a sci-heavy carrier-cruiser hybrid (LTC and LT science slots), it doesn't turn as well as the Varanus, though it has a higher impulse modifier. It's essentially designed for sci-supporting, tanking, and limited carrier support.
The KDF have exactly 1 carrier that can launch BoPs while every single Fed carrier can launch Runabouts... Hmmm.... Riiiiiiiiiiiight...
What you want to talk about but probably don't know it is "frigates". BoPs are "frigates". Each big carrier has a form of "frigate". The Vo'Quv has BoPs, the Kar'Fi has its own big pet "frigate".
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with that being said I would ask for more content game wide. I wish they had a model like Guild wars 2....they seem to release content all the time throughout the year...hopefully they will adopt as well that model.
But klink ships....Ktinga..the many different versions of Bops..yea we want more..cuz those are great!!!!
Cant compare the KDF to the Horde since the Horde has the same access to the exact same classes as the Alliance. No uniqueness other than art style.
none of the c-store ships really is appealing me. why so? mostly stat-wise. there's not the diversity u got on fed side, and thats truely sad.
only reason to buy klink ships for me actually are the cons or fleetship discount. i fly 3 ships klnk side.
a fleet hoh'sus, the vet ship and the kar'fi for pve (got it with token). only one more may attracts me, and that is the fleet scourge. but the vetship seem to outclass that one ability-wise, so no need for that.
(only c-store purchase there was the t3 vandal for the plasmonic con).
don't make money out of klink ships? bring more diversity to klink ships and ya would sell a hell lot more i could imagine. just like ur doing it for about a year now with hec, vesta, andorians, rom-ships in whole (->scimitar).
most of those are bringing unique features, whereas many klink ships i think share the same features (not talkin bout the cons; feel free to correct me).
i own many fed-cstore ships btw, many features there i thought that were worth it to get. not so on klink side.
On top of that, it doesn't really help when Cryptic keeps releasing ships that the KDF doesn't necessarily need. Sure, it's nice that we're getting something, but it's usually battlecruisers. . .we have at least 3-4 end-game battlecruisers to pick from. Negh'var, Vor'cha, the fleet battlecruisers. . .the Bortas'qu was an ill-considered release, IMO. It's a space whale that can't really use its dual cannon capability on much of anything that moves, and that's not the kind of thing KDF is really enthusiastic about. We generally seem to like battlecruisers like the Vor'cha, Tor'kaht, etc. . .nimble, able to pack a punch, but somewhat less tankier than the heavier battlecruisers.
If Cryptic wants the KDF to buy ships eagerly/enthusiastically, they need to start selling us GOOD science ships, and more raptor/destroyer varieties. They will get a good rate of return on those, because the KDF is kinda starved of those kinds of ships.
Releasing costume options to the C-store would be a nice touch, as well, along with more ship skin options.
As a KDF-only player, I'm not in the habit of 'buying stuff for the sake of supporting the company'. I don't have the money for that, and I can't grind up the zen fast enough to do that. EC grinding for fleet modules is also a slow process for me.
As such, I buy ships and C-store stuff that is of actual USE to me. I buy raptors, destroyers, BoPs, and stuff that can compliment what builds I have on these ships. I recently just bought my first Fleet ship, a Fleet Norgh/Ning'tao. I intend to eventually buy a Fleet Scourge. These are both good ships, especially the Scourge, and Cryptic needs to make more of them, as we don't have enough in the destroyer/raptor category.
I don't buy T5 battlecruisers, and the only T4 and below ones I buy are for their consoles.
Is it a "fact" that the devs have abandoned KDF ships? Based on the two new releases, and the fact that we got bespoke timeships and destroyers, I don't think this really holds water. The big gap is the fact that the Feds have "premium" escorts and sci ships (Kumari / Vesta) to which the KDF have no immediate equivalent.
So what will change...? Well I'd guess that the dev staff have been focussed on Romulans for a while now, now that LoR is out there should be some more scope for revisiting KDF ships. It's not like we're badly served for options in the interim.
Not correct.. remember when the Enterprise rammed the scimi? Remember the scene with the entire hanger bay being destroyed... yup, it had a hangar bay
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I'm flying it proudly as KDF and probably won't settle for anything else, unless they come with something similar of course. The entire raptor shape isn't my kind of thing, even though I like playing KDF Klingon.
Qapla'!
... making it the only canon Carrier in the whole of Trek
Can't exactly fault the KDF community for being skeptical, given past treatment. I'm personally not 100% convinced Cryptic has changed the way it's gonna handle the KDF faction.
I know but I'm hoping! They did promise a bunch of Romulan ships...I mean with the Time ships, Vet ships, and the Flagship that got some work ahead of them.
they seem to churn out more Alien design lock box ships every month compare to any tier 5 KDF ships in the past year... which is none
I don't want to mock your word, you are probably right.
I don't know, the Danube/Yellowstone Runabouts have some truly great CC abilities... though the new carrier UI is likely to cut down on the ability to cycle cooldowns via respam.
Gotta say it again
Look honey, you keep saying you want to make <Fleet Ships>, and we WILL get the point where you are ready to make <Fleet Ships>... but we're still just talking about it! You're making <Fleet Ships> with someone else, aren't you? Is that why you haven't wanted to make <Fleet Ships> for me?
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Yeah if the AI has a brain...which is yet to be seen with the new ai. Have you ever seen a Gorn drop warp plasma? They're horrible with it and end up missing generally and I don't think the Fek'Ihri ships in starbase defense are much better either.
In the very least if you get caught in it they don't have the ai to run circles around you so you're stuck in the cloud. Much easier to get out of then when a player does it.
Why do the Intrepid, Sovereign, and Odyssey not have hangar bays?
Why does the Guardian, D'deridex, and Ha'apax not have hangar bays?
Why is there no Fleet Galaxy Dreadnought?
Why is there no Fleet Atrox?
These may be the first logical questions you've asked so far.
Two completely different ships. You're comparing a science ship to an assault cruiser.
So it's fine that the ONLY science ship the KDF has doesn't have a hangar, and that's fine why should it... But then later on, the fact that the Vesta is a science ship is a reason given to why it has a hangar... Cool logical fallacy champ...
To further the disparity let's jst go ahead and add to that the fact the Feds are being given non-fleet 10 console ships- Vesta and Kumari; all the while the KDF haven't gotten a new ship in over a year (2 new Lt. level BoPs don't count), and that ship is loathed by 95% of the KDF base...
Vo'quv is a science ship and does have 2 hangers, hopefully this year Cryptic will give KDF versions of the Vesta and the andorian kumari.
Please do not let the Cmdr. science slot and subsystem targeting fool you, the Vo'quv is NOT a science ship... It is a carrier... It has a 1.0 shield mod, 5 turning, 20 inertia, +10 to aux/+5 to weapons... It is no more a science ship than the mirror version is a cruiser...
It also is a lvl 40 ship, and the fleet version requires a Tier 5 shipyard... The Vo'quv as a counter-argument to any previous points fails hard...
Oh and I think for aggressive 5 fore slot ships, they should make that the Lethean ships. I dont' know why, but when I see Lethean I expect something swift and aggressive.
All this aside though, this is just ships. At the end of the day I hope they quit releasing new ships, or at least sizably slow it down. I'd rather see them find new ways for us to enhance what we already have. I'm tired of changing ships just to try out the latest greatest thing. The ship is a character in the series, and it should be in the game. Something is lost if it is not that way. I for one would like to see more investment being made into developing the crew (Boffs & Doffs), and I'm not just talking about tossing your green boff for a purple one with just the right abilities. I'm talking about something which makes the BOFF or the DOFF better. Secondly, I'd rather see a system that involves making our space character (Our Ship) more unique. I think this is the way of the future for this game, as eventually I really don't see the point in them continually making new ships that only look vaguely different from the tier beneath it. Granted there is still room for them to add ships, but I believe that they are running out of room in that regard. When that happens they'll need to find a new way to mix things up and make them interesting I think.
What you want to talk about but probably don't know it is "frigates". BoPs are "frigates". Each big carrier has a form of "frigate". The Vo'Quv has BoPs, the Kar'Fi has its own big pet "frigate".
Runabouts are not "frigates", just a little FYI.