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uhmari
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reverse needs a nerf, when you can go full speed, and he can back up at full speed,
there is a problem. Makes killing way to easy (skill less).
Nerf reverse to 1/8th impulse.
there is a problem. Makes killing way to easy (skill less).
Nerf reverse to 1/8th impulse.
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LOLOLOLOLOL!!! LOLOLOL...
You can only reverse at high speed OUTSIDE of combat where you can use the full impulse boost to speed in conjunction with it and even then it is rather slow, also reverse gear is a lifeline for all ships but mainly slow turning ones to keep their weapons on target so it is a piloting skill in itself.
I'm sure I'm not alone when I say "Learn to play" and then come back (or rather DON'T because you will know how the game is played) now kindly go away and leave the rest of us alone to enjoy the game.
"please dont nerf my tac ship, i love Zomg pwning everyone, if you try
to nerf my tac ship, you suck, because i have no skills and dont know
what real playership is like, so i need these broken mechanics to exploint
please sir, dont nerf my broken stick"
In reply to the translation.
you are one of 200 pvpers out of how many sto players that want to pvp?
Two things:
Flying in reverse (being able to do both as needed to maintain arcs) - takes more skill, not less.
Um, flying in reverse is around 1/4 impulse - not max impulse. Also, because of the power drain from flying in reverse, that speed will drop even further.
Don't look at the ship tab for the speed - you need to hover over the actual throttle to see your speed.
Please stop posting bad information.
Please stop asking for things that are already in the game.
Please, if you're going to continue to talk about STO in the manner that you do, at least install the game and play it once in a while, eh?
Translation...
"i have no idea what i am talking about and i do not want to learn how to PVP properly so i am spamming the Forums with stupid threads no one agrees with that end up contradicting each other"
how many times will it take for you to understand PVP is not as broken as you think it is and to understand no one wants or likes ANY of your "fixes". you also fail to realize that they will never actually happen no matter how many threads you create.
Ok can we never mention this again. . .
Numbers from Holodeck right now:
speed ahead = 36.9
speed in reverse = 9.24
So, currently it is 1/4 speed ahead. Also, there is a gradual power drain if you stay in reverse constantly, which is why many people feather the throttle.
In short, no, there is no need for a nerf.
Also, for the record, I'm reading "Makes killing way to easy (skill less)" as "Makes killing ME way to easy (because I am unable to understand or recognize the skill it takes to use reverse to keep me in arc)".
Strange that my main character is an engineer who flies a cruiser, using beam arrays.
Perhaps you should add growing up and learning to not be childish and pathetic to your to do list.
i have noticed he seems to ignore this. I have stated in multiple threads of his i have science/engi captains in cruisers and science ships, and he just ignores it.
Indeed, I am a part time tac/scort pilot but only when I have exhausted all my other captain/ship combos and still failed to destroy a target or I'm dil farming, otherwise i have more fun tools for the job
I actually wonder why you need this, since going into reverse already backs you up slower then you go forward.
Do you actually want this because you simply dont know how to counter this speed?
I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
Yes, it's frustrating - yes, we're all likely being massively trolled - but yes, it's also mildly entertaining.
Crossing the line with some of the stuff will result in mods deleting the threads and denying some readers out there the enjoyment others have experienced in reading them...
...just saying.
Aye, i'll give you that sir
@ Uhmari; if you have actual problems in STO to stay alive, why wont you just ask for ideas or builds to improve yourself? Dont fight the system, use it to your advantage...
I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
I gave him his fair share of my patience, he called me a liar and a troll on multiple occasions and yes he is simply trolling but one can still attempt to give constructive advice but that leads to attacks from him because he obviously can't support his position and he knows it as well as we do, maybe he should be on the receiving end of a forum ban for trolling
He may be lost cause on this. I have linked him to stickied threads on pvp forums a few times where he could learn before making all kind of bad suggestions but he doesn't seem interested in it.
There's no enjoyment in any of this. It's infuriating. He has no clue what he's doing, but he continually demands that the game be destroyed because he's not willing to acknowledge it, and anyone who shows him how wrong he is gets called a liar, a troll, and an abuser.
Its a behavioral thing.
Most tac ships are sitting there going behind people (and i say people, not me) and just being up, or what ever and killing them like its a joke.
now, its likely that damage rates are playing a role in this, as lower burst would give them more time to swap to speed, and deal with it, but thats not the case atm.
Also, its just a little unrealistic, and abusive, so we should try to discourage it
and encourage more realistic Strafing.
They're starships - not starfighters.
"Most tac ships..." No, wrong. You saw SOME ships doing this, but by no means to "most" ships do it. It's not as easy as it looks, and many people who try to do it fail. I've found that it's nigh impossible to do well if you steer by mouse, but ymmv.
"...killing them like its a joke." Hey, you want to hear another funny joke? Escort gets behind cruiser, cruiser drops buffed EWP and mines. Or, Cruiser uses tractor beam. Or, cruiser uses tactical team and a shield hardener, and just ignores him. Or, Cruiser uses a combination of the above, plus evasive and/or Target Engines on the escort. Or, jeez, I dunno, and number of alternate techniques. Basically, if "people" are getting rolled by this, then yeah, they are jokes.
"...it's likely damage rates are..." Let me stop you there - just... no. Stop. Stop talking about damage, or dps, or PvP performance like you know what you're talking about. You don't. And you just need to stop.
"Also, it's just a little unrealistic..." Actually, in space, there's really no reason for a ship's facing to match it's heading. Honestly, the idea of ships "strafing" like fighters is, to my mind, way, way more unrealistic than someone using the ability to go backwards in space.
"...and abusive..." You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Lol.
LOL.
ROFL!
*gets up*
Ahem.
I'm not sure you realize how hard it is to effectively use reverse. It is hard to shut off your throttle and go into reverse and still face your target. This is a very important part of my escort tactics (yes, tacticals use tactics if you didn't realize). I still don't do it right sometimes. If you're getting steamrolled by this maneuver, you seriously need to think about what you're doing.
Absolute genius.
Its the best thread yet.
Should be retitled to "how to make an escorts life easier"
Slow the reverse, you pretty much kill slow turning ships off at the knees.
You also do realise that a ship in reverse has a lower defensive capability, that translates to escorts being squishier.
Lower defensive, lower damage, shields and aux dependant heals due to the power drain.
Don't feed the troll.
Cheers.
Honestly, the only change I want to see to reverse is for Camera Turn-to-Face to always turn so that the bow aligns with the direction of the camera... or alternatively, allow that as an alternate mode for control.
Yes please. This would be so helpful, especially on laggy days when you're struggling to keep everything working properly.
You wouldn't happen to be running a combat-type impulse engine at full engine power, would you?
Jem'Hadar set is combat-type even if it doesn't explicitly say so in the title... :P
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I thought he was gonna ask for something to be unnerfed.
I was in a few matches with you earlier... There is a curve in PVP and I think you are mistaking a lot of things in that regard. I don't want to outright be rude to you, but seriously, tactics and the likes that have been in the game for 3 years aren't getting some magic nerf. Instead of complaining about everything, perhaps ask a question or two?? You'll find many players more than happy to engage in civil conversation. J/S.
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"To do pvp, you must learn how to break the system, like everyone else"
the end result is me becoming the very thing i am fighting against
An abuser of the weak, and ignorant
It sure looks like you dont do the research. Reverse is much slower then going forward.