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el1m
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Just looked up the Romulan Dreadnoughts and in the description of the Scimitar class it says that the Original Scimitar fought the Enterprise - E and two Mogai Warbirds.
*Ahem* I think you will find that it was two Valdore class warbirds, one of them was called the Valdore FFS.
I know this may seem petty but someone is getting paid for this and I could do a better job, if you are going to do something make sure you do it right when the Sci Fi genre has so many nit picking critics!
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El1m
*Ahem* I think you will find that it was two Valdore class warbirds, one of them was called the Valdore FFS.
I know this may seem petty but someone is getting paid for this and I could do a better job, if you are going to do something make sure you do it right when the Sci Fi genre has so many nit picking critics!
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El1m
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If true then Cryptic is right, they're mogais.
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Across the realms of soft-canon there have been several names for the class, including Norexan-Class (In a card game and on some third-party models for Starfleet Command) and Mogai-Class (in novels), which predate Star Trek Online. The Dev's chose to call it Mogai.
HMMM
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Valdore_type
The only place I've ever seen Norexian as the class name is Bridge Commander... and even that was eventually renamed to Valdore.
So rather than fix that error, they doubled down on it
Edit:If you want a Valdore Class you can get that ingame too. (As a player ship, a Subclass of the mogai).
Maybe Donatra liked the name Valdore, and kept the name for her Scimitar....I dont see an error for a ship class, that has never been establish as canon
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It's not "correct" until it's been confirmed by a canon source. And I see Mogai used a lot more often than Norexan.
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"Correct" by your definition means it was in a CARD GAME.
Mogai is what I was familiar with from Titan, STO uses it as well, so that's what I'm going with.
I bet you also think the the Defiant in "In a Mirror Darkly" was the Defiant from DS9 because she was of the Defiant class.;)
Where Star Trek canon is concerned the best route, if you do not 100% recall the actual episode or movie you are referring to, is: Read => Think =>Consult Memory Alpha => Post
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There are three names that tend to circulate in regards to the particular Warbird in question. Those names are Mogai, Valdore and Norexan. At no point in Trek (or the Nemesis film) was the used Warbird ever described by class name. I don't believe it's been named in any novels either.
Various sources that I've come to know use the Norexan tag. Cryptic use the Mogai tag. Lazy people use the Valdore tag. Donatra merely stated in dialogue that she was commanding the "Warbird Valdore" not "the Warbird Valdore of the Valdore Class Warbird".
Regardless of what is right or wrong though, Cryptic have chosen to go with Mogai, so their dev blog, from their point of view (and their lore) is actually correct.
No I am not talking about the Constitution USS Defiant which was destroyed in an Interphasic rift, I am not talking about the ISS Defiant which was captured by the Tholians in the mirror universe, Some people argue it is the same ship. I am also not talking about the ISS Defiant which is a Defiant class ship.
AssimilatedKtar (sounds like some kind of phlegm, you should get checked out) are you talking about this Memory Alpha which corroborates my original post.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Valdore_type
You mean that one.
I do recall the battle of Bassen rift and as a funny twist of fate regarding this post one of the ships in the battle group that the Enterprise is supposed to meet on the other side of Bassen rift is the USS Valiant which was a Defiant class ship and also was destroyed!
But just out of interest, you do know the warbird in question has been called a mogai class for three and a half years?
its been called that in the game since day 1. are you just noticing now?
So yeah, the names of the Mogai and Valdore in STO should probably be flip-flopped. Cryptic could then develop a Norexan class and charge us $50 for a 3 pack. :rolleyes:
If you get that distinction, then why do you not undersand that the warbird Vardore that was in the movie was of the Mogai class while the Valdore class in this game is named after precisely THAT Mogai class ship?
Valdore TYPE =/= Valdore CLASS
The USS Intrepid was both a Constitution Class, and Intrepid Class. The USS Melbourne was both an Excelsior Class and a Nebula Class. Why can't the Valiant be another ship too?
As for this post as is mentioned earlier in the thread nothing that does not appear in the Shows or Movies is Canon according to Paramount. Therefore Valdore is the only Canon name for the ships simple as that!
But after a ship name is used as a class designation (ship of the line), you will never see a ship of that name again. This is consistent with Naval tradition.
That may have been the original plan, but original plans are also irrelevant. someone has to say it on screen.
The defiant was originally a valiant class ship in its design concept. then after a while someone just called it a defiant class ship and there it was.
Except it was never called Valdore-class, just "the Warbird Valdore", in much the same way the 1701-D was "the starship Enterprise". But you and I both know the Ent-D was a Galaxy-class, not an Enterprise-class.
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I was merely pointing out that the Defiant class was destroyed, the Registry numbers from the Defiant class Valiant and the Battle Group Omega Valiant are different so yes they are different ships
And in any case where is it set in stone that Cryptic must stick to just hard canon? They've taken a lot of inspiration from the novels.
No its not as simple as that.
the ship was called the valdore. they never mentioned its class. if they made a new show the writers could call it what ever class they like and that would be its canon name going forward and everything would have to respect that.
as it stands it was not mentioned. and different non canon sources have come up with their own name.
the name in game will have to be approved by CBS. they agreed it. this is its name in STO. its name in the card game is Nerexan. the same name cant always be used in both because of the legal writes issues or sometimes sloppy errors on someones part but for STO it is correct, approved by CBS and thats its class name.
There was no canonical ISS Defiant, the shop you are talking about is the USS Defiant, that wasn't destroyed but transported to the mirror universe.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Defiant_(NCC-1764)
What the designer says or thinks behind the scenes is not canon. As you maybe noticed: "[...] Eaves was inspired by the Klingon Bird-of-Prey of Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, still working from the then behind-the-scenes assumption (based on an early draft of the script) that the ship was a Romulan ship stolen by the Klingons, before that theory was debunked by the series Enterprise."
You mean the Enterprise that was destroyed over the Genesis planet?:eek: Because clearly they never re-used the names of destroyed ships....
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You mean Like this one
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/ISS_Defiant
That is a canon ISS Defiant
If you had read my post properly then you would have seen that I said some people claim that it is the same defiant but there is nothing said in either "In a mirror, Darkly" or "The Tholian Web" that hint at it being the Prime Universe USS Defiant except its name. When Kirk is retrieved from the the same dimension as the Defiant he actually states that the Dimension was Void, no stars, no planets just nothingness and if I remember right makes some joke about it being peaceful. So how could this Void be the mirror universe.
Also in the Episode "In a Mirror Darkly" when Mirror Archer orders Forrest to capitulate he refers to the ship as the ISS Defiant.
But it is commonly held to be the sequel now
Did you notice that the Next ship was the Enterprise - A, I wonder what that A meant hmm. Your feeble attempts at Reductio Ad Absurdum will not fly here!
True, but personally I will go with the designers intentions up until the point they are negated by what appears on the show/movie. Valdore was never negated by any further canon so I'll go with what Eaves says.