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Shouldn't Star Trek Online be considered Canon? (Closed, necro)
captclazorus
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If you can get Cbs to allow you to create such a large game and if you can get Leonard Nimoy to narrate think it should be canon. Almost all events in the game correlate with fact.
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Of cause we can ignore all the jello-canon from STO... No problem.
then where is my IMOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
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Good question... I want one too...
Does that mean games with ful motion video like Starfleet and Klingon Academy are super-canon?;)
Speaking of a great reference... not THOOSE were great, canon-worthy games.
The inclusion of voice overs is to provide you some sense of immersion while your federation toon stands on the bridge of his/her dominion ship holding a bat'leth, while their liberated borg, Breen, Jem'hadar, and Romulan bridge officers man their stations. I think Star Trek Encyclopedias across the world would spontaneously combust if they ever tried to make any of this canon.
I've never understood this argument for canoninity. I'm not arguing that STO is canon, but being made by fans certainly isn't what determines this. If CBS made a new ST Series today, you can bet your life there'd be fans involved in it's production. Even on TNG, Whoopi was on the show because she was a fan of TOS.
And by that logic, the JJ movies ARE canon, because JJ isn't a ST fan?
Yup, and I'll always hold thm in high regard.
And for atmosphere I'm afraid I'll measure all other Trek games against them.
CBS has the say on what is cannon and not CBS says <<part>> of JJ movies is cannon not the whole movies mainly the star trek countdown whoopi is a actress not a director not a writer and is not CBS did ya know commander riker was not a fan had not seen one EP before his debut on TNG?
and also last thing that had fans doing it star trek nemesis comes to mind
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-5 Live Action TV Shows
-12 Movies
-The Animated Series
-Books
-Comic Books
-Video Games
-Fan Fiction
-Fan Films
-RPGs
-etc
Each individual fan can pick and choose what they want. So if you want to consider STO canon, sure why not! If you don't want to acknowledge episode 5x04 of TNG but do want to acknowledge such and such comic book, go for it!
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Illogical example. Because of the second part of that. He created it. The creator sets canon in every IP. Show one time a creator had zero input on what is canon. When you do, then your example would be logical.
If the creator isn't a fan, then the creator wouldn't create it in the first place. Again, flawed.
And STO is not canon and will never be canon. It draws from canon material but everything that is STO exclusive is not canon. And only people with delusions of grandeur even believe the characters they make for this game or the events in this game is actually hardcoded into Star Trek canon.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
I see him more as the God of star trek next to Q then a fan :cool:;)
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Fixed that for you.
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
Plenty of people have created something just for the paycheck or other motivation than just cause they are a fan of what they've written/filmed. I read once that Thomas Harris wrote a novel he didn't particularly like (Hannibal Rising) mainly cause the movie studio that wanted to make the film threatened to have someone else do it.
Now I don't think that would apply in Gene's case, but still.
Sad really, almost all ST games made since then pale in comparison. If only KA was as easy to mod as BC....
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It was put forward that something being fan created makes it automatically non-canon, I was merely illustrating that concept in itself is critically flawed.
The example isn't illogical, the original premise is, that fan created content cannot be canonical specifically because it was fan created is the most rubbish concept that I have ever heard.
Since CBS approves story concepts for STO, one assumes they want to keep the story at least soft canon.
I don't know of any video game based on some wider universe that considers player actions as canon from the point of main story, so the fact our players can do absurd things is pretty irrelevant to STO being canon or not.
He didn't care for what he made or what the studio did with his creation? That's two different things btw.
Plus, it's different as it's part of a series. Was he not a fan of the Hannibal Lecter series? That's what the person I replied to would be equated to with Gene and Star Trek as a whole. I said the part about creating as in the IP not one story in a series.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
I have to comment that the movies 11 and 12 take place in an alternate reality, which spawned off the prime timeline. So their existence is canon, but their events are their own separate canon, one having no direct impact on the other.
Many of the concepts and ideas in Star Trek, particularly TNG-on, had originally come from fans, and were incorporated into the series, and are now accepted canon. Using "fan made" is not an adequate determination.
It is no more absurd and reworking than pretty much the entirety of the franchise which continues to contradict itself left and right. Even TOS couldn't get itself straight. While there are many little details that could stand some fine tuning and polish, the overall storyline of the Klingon War, the subsequent events of the Hobus Supernova as well as the new expansion of the story including New Romulus, and the combined storyline of the STFs (if you were to see them in their original elongated form) are perfectly fine concepts that could be included in accepted canon.
When one says "is it canon or not" they don't mean every single little tiny detail from every corner of the game. No, THATS absurd. But the primary storylines and narratives are good enough to be welcomed into the franchise, and very well should be.
That's good as it means Star Trek: Nemesis (written for the most part by John Logan, an admitted HUGE TNG fan) isn't canon either. :eek::D;)
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[But that also means you can de-canonize any episode written by Ronald D. Moore, as he was a HUGE TOS fan when he came to work for/write for TNG.]
See what happens when you try to over-generalize, and classify to the extreme?
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me a romulan fan do you think I really like that movie? CBS says it cannon
unless on screen or movie its not cannon end of it
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You didn't specify that in your original post. I'm sure Gene was a fan of the universe he had created. As for Harris, you'd have to ask him I guess.
Fan fic can be canon sure. Books are a prime example. In Star Trek (and Star Wars) a lot of the books come part of the canon. Star Trek actually puts a tighter grip on what their IP books can and can't do. Star Wars is more loose with it but with the understanding any and all books can be trumped by the movies (G Canon level) or even animated shows like Clone Wars (T Canon level). So if they get trumped their canon status can fall to the being non-canon completely. As a writer who would hope to make a canon novel, going Star Trek is actually safer but harder to do because how CBS does the property more tightly than Lucas did. Disney can change that of course so this news can be outdated now.
But to use the IP creator as the example of his work isn't canon is a stretch and causes a circular logic to it. That's what I'm pointing out to you. Not the overall "can fan fic be canon" part if you get my drift.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
The post I replied to did that however. You apparently took what I said without taking the context of what I was replying to then.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
Considering the contradicted himself constantly throughout TOS (season 3 being biggest criminal), the movies (they goofed on the BoP and the Klingon BoP was born) and TNG (first couple of season is a retelling of TOS stories basically), its kind of hard to look at anything as hard canon. J.J. Abrams may not be a trek fan, but at least he respected the franchise, Into Darkness was freaky accurate to TOS compared to ST09 which was more "in the spirit of" (but still contained tons of hidden references). I love Enterprise, my second favorite trek series, but season 1 & 2 is a lesson in how to disrespect the trek franchise. It was fresh and because it didn't follow established "hard" canon, a lot of it was unexpected (like the relationship between humans and Vulcans, something actually hinted at in DS9). All one has to do for the official trek opinion on "hard" canon is watch the evolution of the Borg from first appearance to Voy and Ent.
Also, look at STO and the "Tactical Cube" compared to what appeared in Voyager, or Transphasic torpedoes.
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