After botching the launches of four editions of the PSP, the Vita, the PS3, and the new slim PS3 (Raise prices on the old systems for the new launch, flawless strategy!) I have no doubt that Sony will still find some way to hand the next generation to Microsoft no matter how much Microsoft doesn't want it. I don't think we've seen the end of the lolsony meme yet.
PS4 looks better than xbox1. this does not mean its gonna be better, but if they can keep this looks up, then probably the first day sales will be higher than xbox, and in the end this will make the difference (which console is owned by more, devs will concentrate on that sys more, meaning better quality games, and so on)
in the end, I will still try to follow this guide's advice, regarding buying new gen consoles
*shrugs* the Wii U already has my complete attention. I see very little in either the PS4 or X-Box One to make me even consider forking over the money for it. Besides, Nintendo has done more to keep me entertained with their consoles and game library than Sony or Microsoft ever have.
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The PS4 will maintain the concept of actually buying and owning your games - which includes the concept of selling them to other people when you're done, if you so desire.
The PS4 will not need to contact its nanny website once per day to download information about how it's being used.
The PS4 will not require that a video-capture system be attached and active at all times. (Something I found particularly disturbing about the XBox One in light of recent revelations about NSA programs.)
With these three data points, I believe that Sony has effectively won this round of the Console Wars. Speaking for myself, of course, I'll probably just pick up a spare XBox 360 or two when the prices drop - I've already got plenty of games for them.
MS did them a huge favour by providing them a lots of seemingly great features that never would have needed mentioning in the first place a few months ago.
MS did them a huge favour by providing them a lots of seemingly great features that never would have needed mentioning in the first place a few months ago.
I think MS trolled themselves here.
Honestly I think Sony's marketing team deserve genuine props for this coup - they practically wove the rope that MS used to hang themselves with, and the actual E3 presentation was pitched absolutely perfectly to do the maximum possible damage to MS in the press.
I don't doubt for a moment that the XBOne will still sell - lots of people out there these days apparently have no conception of consumer rights and place no value on their privacy, and there will doubtless be enough mindless "red vs blue" console-wars sentiment to ensure MS haven't completely killed off their aspirations as a console manufacturer - however Sony would have to fail on a truly epic scale going forward not to come out on top this gen after the "xboner" debacle and their really shrewd response.
I'm actually a little annoyed now, since the evidently rational choice if you're planning to get a console this coming gen is the PS4(and I likely will after the first price drop happens and DUST 514 gets its inevitable PS4 version), but I absolutely despise the Dual Shock controller, and really love the 360 controller design - now I have to choose between awful hand-cramps, or figuring out how to mount the DS4 internals into a 360 shell(voiding my warranty in the process, yaaaay ).
We are PWE. Your forums and game accounts will be added to our own. Your community will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
I think I'll stick with the PC as my primary entertainment source. Sure you have to set the thing up "just right", but so far I haven't had to do that for... years. I may have to upgrade to Wndows 7 next year when XP's support stops in April, but otherwise my current hardware will probably last longer than the life of the XBox One... If I decide not to upgrade first.
Speaking of upgrades, I bet more than a few computer owners out there have the equivelant of the "Sportscar Syndrome", where you absolutely have to upgrade to the latest PC tech whether your PC needs it or not...
*sings* "I like Gammera! He's so neat!!! He is full of turtle meat!!!"
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
Honestly I think Sony's marketing team deserve genuine props for this coup - they practically wove the rope that MS used to hang themselves with, and the actual E3 presentation was pitched absolutely perfectly to do the maximum possible damage to MS in the press.
I don't doubt for a moment that the XBOne will still sell - lots of people out there these days apparently have no conception of consumer rights and place no value on their privacy, and there will doubtless be enough mindless "red vs blue" console-wars sentiment to ensure MS haven't completely killed off their aspirations as a console manufacturer - however Sony would have to fail on a truly epic scale going forward not to come out on top this gen after the "xboner" debacle and their really shrewd response.
I'm actually a little annoyed now, since the evidently rational choice if you're planning to get a console this coming gen is the PS4(and I likely will after the first price drop happens and DUST 514 gets its inevitable PS4 version), but I absolutely despise the Dual Shock controller, and really love the 360 controller design - now I have to choose between awful hand-cramps, or figuring out how to mount the DS4 internals into a 360 shell(voiding my warranty in the process, yaaaay ).
The problem (and primary reason I do not buy Sony consoles) is that every single console Sony has produced has been for the specific reason to tarnish another company or trash another console. Its a matter of history.
Sony Playstation - created for the sole purpose of crushing Nintendo's Phillips CD-i
Playstation 2 - DVD's (which Dreamcast did not have) to crash Sega's market
Playstation 3 - Conquer all by putting expensive Blu-ray
Playstation 4 - Crush Microsoft with false information and smear campaign
... they successfully killed Sega, they've smeared Microsoft's reputation, Nintendo is only just recently recovering (granted, the original Playstation was their own fault). Is the Playstation 5 going to go after the PCs next?
I have been Nintendo faithful for several really good reasons. 1. I find greater entertainment value from their games. 2. They have never been out to destroy anyone (certainly not since the 32-bit days). 3. Their primary focus is games and entertainment. Not building an entire concept around graphics and extra hardware. 4. as such, they always keep the cost down.
I would rather have a fun console that I can afford, built for the right reasons; than a simply flashy console I can barely pay for, built out of spite.
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The problem (and primary reason I do not buy Sony consoles) is that every single console Sony has produced has been for the specific reason to tarnish another company or trash another console. Its a matter of history.
Sony Playstation - created for the sole purpose of crushing Nintendo's Phillips CD-i
Playstation 2 - DVD's (which Dreamcast did not have) to crash Sega's market
Playstation 3 - Conquer all by putting expensive Blu-ray
Playstation 4 - Crush Microsoft with false information and smear campaign
... they successfully killed Sega, they've smeared Microsoft's reputation, Nintendo is only just recently recovering (granted, the original Playstation was their own fault). Is the Playstation 5 going to go after the PCs next?
I have been Nintendo faithful for several really good reasons. 1. I find greater entertainment value from their games. 2. They have never been out to destroy anyone (certainly not since the 32-bit days). 3. Their primary focus is games and entertainment. Not building an entire concept around graphics and extra hardware. 4. as such, they always keep the cost down.
I would rather have a fun console that I can afford, built for the right reasons; than a simply flashy console I can barely pay for, built out of spite.
welcome to commercialism? why would a company build a product, that does not conquer the current market? (other than non-profit companies ofc)
if it is better than what they are crushing, but a bi tmore expensive, then you are just paying for the price of it being better than the competition
The problem (and primary reason I do not buy Sony consoles) is that every single console Sony has produced has been for the specific reason to tarnish another company or trash another console. Its a matter of history.
Sony Playstation - created for the sole purpose of crushing Nintendo's Phillips CD-i
Playstation 2 - DVD's (which Dreamcast did not have) to crash Sega's market
Playstation 3 - Conquer all by putting expensive Blu-ray
Playstation 4 - Crush Microsoft with false information and smear campaign
... they successfully killed Sega, they've smeared Microsoft's reputation, Nintendo is only just recently recovering (granted, the original Playstation was their own fault). Is the Playstation 5 going to go after the PCs next?
I have been Nintendo faithful for several really good reasons. 1. I find greater entertainment value from their games. 2. They have never been out to destroy anyone (certainly not since the 32-bit days). 3. Their primary focus is games and entertainment. Not building an entire concept around graphics and extra hardware. 4. as such, they always keep the cost down.
I would rather have a fun console that I can afford, built for the right reasons; than a simply flashy console I can barely pay for, built out of spite.
Aww... come on. MS literally begged for it with their clueless, customer-unfriedly course.
Sony Playstation - created for the sole purpose of crushing Nintendo's Phillips CD-i
Playstation 2 - DVD's (which Dreamcast did not have) to crash Sega's market
Playstation 3 - Conquer all by putting expensive Blu-ray
Playstation 4 - Crush Microsoft with false information and smear campaign
The original Playstation was a bit more sinister than that. The Playstation was in development first, as the Super Nintendo Playstation, an expansion system for the Super Nintendo and counter to the Sega CD and 32x. Sony broke that off after receiving all kinds of technical information from Nintendo and instead made a stand alone system far more powerful than anything that could have been paired with the SNES, and the CD-i was a hasty and ill advised attempt to replace it.
Now, the PS4? What part of their information is false? Everything they've said about Microsoft isn't just correct, Microsoft has confirmed all of it AFTER Sony's press conference.
The only thing about it that's remotely false is that, regarding used games, Sony is doing the same thing, handing the publishers a loaded gun in the form of DRM support but leaving it entirely up to them to pull the trigger and take the blame.
Sony Playstation - created for the sole purpose of crushing Nintendo's Phillips CD-i.
you do know at the time PS1 came out its was the Nintendo 64 that was out not the Nintendo's Phillips CD-I it was old and outdated by the time PS1 came out
and to be frank Nintendos time is about up and time for them to go the way sega did wii u any one?
The only thing about it that's remotely false is that, regarding used games, Sony is doing the same thing, handing the publishers a loaded gun in the form of DRM support but leaving it entirely up to them to pull the trigger and take the blame.
I'm sorry to be so blunt, but that is a lie. There is "DRM support" on the PS4, but only to the same extent there was on the PS3, or the 360 - publishers can restrict access to only the online service which they, the publisher run. The only way they could avoid that kind of restriction would be by flat-out telling publishers that they won't allow games with such features to sell on PS4, which would be commercial suicide.
They have no control over what you do with the disc, the manner in which you resell the disc, your ability to loan the disc to friends or take the disc to a friend's house to play there on their version of the console.
The XBOne, by contrast, has an entire architecture designed purposefully to restrict your rights as a consumer; preventing you from lending it to anyone not on your XBOne friends list for at least 30 days, forcing you to "check in" every 24 hours or it will prevent you from playing single player games(and every hour when playing on a console other than your own), requiring that Kinect be active continually and still being utterly evasive about how exactly a user is supposed to avoid their data and life being streamed to MS marketing, and allowing publishers to restrict your ability to resell the game you bought and paid for at all by locking the disc to your XBL account and hardware ID, unless said publisher happens to have a little side deal with a "participating retailer".
There's no comparison between the two - one is the status quo, the other is quite possibly the biggest abuse of consumer rights in the history of the entertainment industry, and that's a damned impressive feat considering the entertainment industry contains the RIAA and MPAA.
We are PWE. Your forums and game accounts will be added to our own. Your community will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
You need to read that more carefully: particularly in the video, or for that matter Sony's own presentation, in which it was said publishers have the tools with the PS4 that they haven't before to "verify game licenses" "restrict online content, offline or other content partially or fully," gated by a number of options which weren't detailed. Online pass that is not, being explicitly able to limit or completely restrict offline content, this is the same loaded gun that Microsoft handed the publishers - Microsoft has made the mistake of advertising it to buyers as a feature of the console, while Sony has framed it as a "new option" for game publishers that they have no control over.
Worse than the Xbox One? Yeah, sure , with the PS4 at worst some of your games don't work. With the Xbox the system itself will go inert if not verified.
this how DRM works now on PS3 you buy a used assassin's creed revelations from gamestop you don't get to play the multiplayer you have to pay the Dev another fee to play it same goes for mass effect 3 same will be for the PS4
There is a difference, Ubisoft does that ... not Sony.
that's my point sony is doing what they did with the ps3 they didn't go out there way to give Dev the rights to do this this and this like MS did MS made them a open door in their OS to do this this and this sony didn't
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hey here is a handy guide on how to share games on PS4
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in the end, I will still try to follow this guide's advice, regarding buying new gen consoles
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
One way or another... There is going to be something that bites you in the butt about the PS4.
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The term you're looking for if "ROFLStomp"
The PS4 will not need to contact its nanny website once per day to download information about how it's being used.
The PS4 will not require that a video-capture system be attached and active at all times. (Something I found particularly disturbing about the XBox One in light of recent revelations about NSA programs.)
With these three data points, I believe that Sony has effectively won this round of the Console Wars. Speaking for myself, of course, I'll probably just pick up a spare XBox 360 or two when the prices drop - I've already got plenty of games for them.
I think MS trolled themselves here.
Honestly I think Sony's marketing team deserve genuine props for this coup - they practically wove the rope that MS used to hang themselves with, and the actual E3 presentation was pitched absolutely perfectly to do the maximum possible damage to MS in the press.
I don't doubt for a moment that the XBOne will still sell - lots of people out there these days apparently have no conception of consumer rights and place no value on their privacy, and there will doubtless be enough mindless "red vs blue" console-wars sentiment to ensure MS haven't completely killed off their aspirations as a console manufacturer - however Sony would have to fail on a truly epic scale going forward not to come out on top this gen after the "xboner" debacle and their really shrewd response.
I'm actually a little annoyed now, since the evidently rational choice if you're planning to get a console this coming gen is the PS4(and I likely will after the first price drop happens and DUST 514 gets its inevitable PS4 version), but I absolutely despise the Dual Shock controller, and really love the 360 controller design - now I have to choose between awful hand-cramps, or figuring out how to mount the DS4 internals into a 360 shell(voiding my warranty in the process, yaaaay ).
We are PWE. Your forums and game accounts will be added to our own. Your community will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
Speaking of upgrades, I bet more than a few computer owners out there have the equivelant of the "Sportscar Syndrome", where you absolutely have to upgrade to the latest PC tech whether your PC needs it or not...
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
The problem (and primary reason I do not buy Sony consoles) is that every single console Sony has produced has been for the specific reason to tarnish another company or trash another console. Its a matter of history.
Sony Playstation - created for the sole purpose of crushing Nintendo's Phillips CD-i
Playstation 2 - DVD's (which Dreamcast did not have) to crash Sega's market
Playstation 3 - Conquer all by putting expensive Blu-ray
Playstation 4 - Crush Microsoft with false information and smear campaign
... they successfully killed Sega, they've smeared Microsoft's reputation, Nintendo is only just recently recovering (granted, the original Playstation was their own fault). Is the Playstation 5 going to go after the PCs next?
I have been Nintendo faithful for several really good reasons. 1. I find greater entertainment value from their games. 2. They have never been out to destroy anyone (certainly not since the 32-bit days). 3. Their primary focus is games and entertainment. Not building an entire concept around graphics and extra hardware. 4. as such, they always keep the cost down.
I would rather have a fun console that I can afford, built for the right reasons; than a simply flashy console I can barely pay for, built out of spite.
welcome to commercialism? why would a company build a product, that does not conquer the current market? (other than non-profit companies ofc)
if it is better than what they are crushing, but a bi tmore expensive, then you are just paying for the price of it being better than the competition
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
Aww... come on. MS literally begged for it with their clueless, customer-unfriedly course.
The original Playstation was a bit more sinister than that. The Playstation was in development first, as the Super Nintendo Playstation, an expansion system for the Super Nintendo and counter to the Sega CD and 32x. Sony broke that off after receiving all kinds of technical information from Nintendo and instead made a stand alone system far more powerful than anything that could have been paired with the SNES, and the CD-i was a hasty and ill advised attempt to replace it.
Now, the PS4? What part of their information is false? Everything they've said about Microsoft isn't just correct, Microsoft has confirmed all of it AFTER Sony's press conference.
The only thing about it that's remotely false is that, regarding used games, Sony is doing the same thing, handing the publishers a loaded gun in the form of DRM support but leaving it entirely up to them to pull the trigger and take the blame.
don't think they have herd of apple or Samsung
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you do know at the time PS1 came out its was the Nintendo 64 that was out not the Nintendo's Phillips CD-I it was old and outdated by the time PS1 came out
and to be frank Nintendos time is about up and time for them to go the way sega did wii u any one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips_CD-i
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so that why you need the net all the time :P
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I'm sorry to be so blunt, but that is a lie. There is "DRM support" on the PS4, but only to the same extent there was on the PS3, or the 360 - publishers can restrict access to only the online service which they, the publisher run. The only way they could avoid that kind of restriction would be by flat-out telling publishers that they won't allow games with such features to sell on PS4, which would be commercial suicide.
They have no control over what you do with the disc, the manner in which you resell the disc, your ability to loan the disc to friends or take the disc to a friend's house to play there on their version of the console.
The XBOne, by contrast, has an entire architecture designed purposefully to restrict your rights as a consumer; preventing you from lending it to anyone not on your XBOne friends list for at least 30 days, forcing you to "check in" every 24 hours or it will prevent you from playing single player games(and every hour when playing on a console other than your own), requiring that Kinect be active continually and still being utterly evasive about how exactly a user is supposed to avoid their data and life being streamed to MS marketing, and allowing publishers to restrict your ability to resell the game you bought and paid for at all by locking the disc to your XBL account and hardware ID, unless said publisher happens to have a little side deal with a "participating retailer".
There's no comparison between the two - one is the status quo, the other is quite possibly the biggest abuse of consumer rights in the history of the entertainment industry, and that's a damned impressive feat considering the entertainment industry contains the RIAA and MPAA.
We are PWE. Your forums and game accounts will be added to our own. Your community will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
Worse than the Xbox One? Yeah, sure , with the PS4 at worst some of your games don't work. With the Xbox the system itself will go inert if not verified.
as sosolidshoe said ps4 is the status quo
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that's my point sony is doing what they did with the ps3 they didn't go out there way to give Dev the rights to do this this and this like MS did MS made them a open door in their OS to do this this and this sony didn't
and its not just ubi its BioWare and EA also
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