No, you don't have to station him. However, for silver players who only have 6 boff slots, having a boff that doesn't have an actual place on your ship cripples your options, as you can no longer carry a switch boff.
Now, while I personally don't have this problem, it seems pretty clear that people may react badly to having their already limited slots held for ransom. I mentioned this to Borticus and he seemed receptive to the idea of +1 slot for Rommies so everyone can have a Tovan slot, thus removing this objection.
Of course, there's always going to be people who want him off simply because he doesn't fit their theme, and no amount of extra boff space will fix that for them. Similarly, the fact that they didn't actually give him GOOD traits, instead giving him only Superior Uselessnium and Inferior Operative, is going to eventually bench him.
Sad, silly kid. Now if you ever, at any point, went to the forums to tell Cryptic that you would continue to buy any ship Federation ship that wasn't a carrier, you'd have taken step towards guaranteeing that there would be another Federation ship that wasn't a carrier. Wouldn't that have been nice.
But no, instead you came to this thread, you tried to embarrass the people in this thread into just shutting up, you tried to throw weight around like you had some kind of authority but instead just made yourself look like a butthead. It's a shame really.
Now, as far as your feedback about the other feedback given. I'm sorry, but you're just today discovering what feedback is, you're not the person best able to judge the quality of feedback.
Now, you don't actually know how much money he's spent on the game, you're just assuming he hasn't spent anything. Why would you do that? The only thing I can imagine is that you're severely socially maladjusted and you have some weird kink about posting the most annoying insults you can on the internet. Is that true? Have you sought counseling?
Thanks for your wise words my friend , "less talk and play more", it is my philosophy now , I am enjoying this "feedbacks" a lot, Lol, nothing new to see here again, bye bye and have fun .
No, you don't have to station him. However, for silver players who only have 6 boff slots, having a boff that doesn't have an actual place on your ship cripples your options, as you can no longer carry a switch boff.
Now, while I personally don't have this problem, it seems pretty clear that people may react badly to having their already limited slots held for ransom. I mentioned this to Borticus and he seemed receptive to the idea of +1 slot for Rommies so everyone can have a Tovan slot, thus removing this objection.
Of course, there's always going to be people who want him off simply because he doesn't fit their theme, and no amount of extra boff space will fix that for them. Similarly, the fact that they didn't actually give him GOOD traits, instead giving him only Superior Uselessnium and Inferior Operative, is going to eventually bench him.
i can't kick him at Level 50? So all my Boffs looking like my other Captains, and i only have female chars. So i am thinking about to delete my reman and do another KDF.
nice u wasted so much time in your sig - i do not see it anyway
If I may ask, how would you feel about Tovan if you had the freedom to customize his appearance and gender to better fit in with your crew concept?
If we were given the option to change Tovan's name, gender, and appearance then the BOff wouldn't be as frustrating, but even then there is the issue of dictating the role play experience.
What if you want an all-Reman crew? Even if we can change Tovan's name, gender and appearance if we're stuck with a Romulan and you don't want it then it's really frustrating.
The best solution is to just give players the "option" to keep him or get rid of him.
In the immortal words of Captain Sisko: "It may not be what you believe, but that doesn't make it wrong."
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
Making that guy renamable (say, at level 40) would suffice.
As it stands, "Tovan Khev" is a bit common a name in the Republic Fleet phonebook. I love my individuality.
Heh... this, but for a different reason.
When I created my Romulan Captain, I used one of those online Romulan Name Generators to get an "authentic" sounding name. I got more than I bargained for: My Romulan toon's name?
Tovan.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
He's taking up a bridge officer slot that could be better put to use with higher quality officers. I just added a couple of very rare BOs to my crew and needed to free up some slots. Tovan was one of the odd-men out but I was forced to discharge an officer I didn't want to because we're stuck with him. This is not acceptable at all.
There aren't officers with higher quality than Khev. Very Rare is the ceiling. Besides, why would you want to dismiss him? You do realize that he will probably be voicing dialogues in future FE series' don't you? I'd rather have VO than have someone with a different set of traits.
Although I wouldn't mind being able to "pass the buck" so to speak. Like, make a different Romulan male tactical officer be Tovan, I think that'd be alright. I do the same thing with my boffs that I get attached to, I save their appearance, copy their bio and find a VR officer of the same profession, gender, and species. Bam! They live on in a better body!
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Here's a thought - yes, he's important to the storyline. And yes, it's fantastically annoying to be stuck with an uncustomizable boff in a game that has so much customization.
So how about the storyline gets one more optional quest at the end - the one where Tovan gets reassigned/goes off on a new adventure/goes to help the Republic/goes to join his sister/whatever.
He's there, in your crew, for the duration of the story. But when the story is done, you can have him wander off elsewhere.
Here's a thought - yes, he's important to the storyline. And yes, it's fantastically annoying to be stuck with an uncustomizable boff in a game that has so much customization.
So how about the storyline gets one more optional quest at the end - the one where Tovan gets reassigned/goes off on a new adventure/goes to help the Republic/goes to join his sister/whatever.
He's there, in your crew, for the duration of the story. But when the story is done, you can have him wander off elsewhere.
How would that work with mission replay?
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
If F2P players are "forced" to spend money it's not free to play. That being said there are methods of getting zen available without having to spend money.
If someone is forcing you to play without putting Tovan in a BO slot you should maybe call the police.
First paragraph complains about a mandatory character in another game, and how much he hated having them around.
Spends rest of post berating people for having the exact same kind of opinion, because this time he doesn't agree.
Seems legit :rolleyes:
Oh, and another one who is unable to understand sarcasm. You know what the big difference is? I didn't go to the Bioware forums and demanded that they get rid of the companions I don't like. That would be completely silly. Just like what you are doing. I accepted the game the way it was and enjoyed it.
Look chum, you can love Tovan as much as you like, I'm sure nobody would even mind if you started posting those Kirk/Tovan slashfics you write every day in your journal,[...]
So this what you think about all the time. Thanks for proving gardat's theory right.
[...] however some of us still enjoy pretending this isn't a single player game but is rather an MMO where we can build our own crews and tell our own stories.
If you feel unable to do so because of Tovan Khev I have trouble believing that you were able to tell your own story in the first place.
Considering that all anyone is asking for is the ability to rename or dismiss a boff, ie a function that exists for every other boff in the game,[...]
You are asking for the ability to rename or dismiss a BO who is an integral part of the Romulan storyline and voiced. Cryptic gave you something awesome tons of people would love to have for the Federation and you demand that they put even more free (for you) time and effort into coding him in a way that allows him to be cut out of the storyline. Because simply making him dismissable would mean that a bunch of people would turn up later and wonder why their females speak with a male voice and who this Rinna is. Making him dismissable after the storyline is over would be something Cryptic has never done before. Again, extra work, for what? For a minority who is unable to accept another male officer on the ship (news flash, they will spawn in your ship interior and there's nothing you can do) or are to cheap to buy 2 BO slots for far less than the price of a McDonalds Happy Meal to fix their personal problem.
I don't see why this is a big enough deal to cause you to put on your shining white armour and ride out in defence of the poor maiden Cryptic's sullied honour.
Cryptic is no maiden, poor or otherwise and my armor colour of choice is never white. I'm just highly allergic to self-entitlement.
FKA K-Tar, grumpy Klingon/El-Aurian hybrid. Now assimilated by PWE.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
He shows up on your ship and the story line forces him onto your away teams for certain missions. Although the latter is buggy and you get other boffs from time to time.
And even when he is forced into the player's away team, he doesn't do anything story-wise that couldn't be covered by any other bridge officer, or for the most part even matters at all.
Also, since people keep harping on his rarity being purple - purple is just a color. D'Vex is objectively better for both ground and space and his rarity is blue.
to quote one of the tag lines from some of the trailers;
'YOUR ship, YOUR crew, YOUR destiny'
not some bloke who tags along and acts like your boss, the only things he does that cant be done as simply with a custom boff are the voice over bits and giving a reason to trust Charva
If someone is forcing you to play without putting Tovan in a BO slot you should maybe call the police.
Intentional misunderstanding, not an argument.
Oh, and another one who is unable to understand sarcasm. You know what the big difference is? I didn't go to the Bioware forums and demanded that they get rid of the companions I don't like. That would be completely silly. Just like what you are doing. I accepted the game the way it was and enjoyed it.
Argument #2
So this what you think about all the time. Thanks for proving gardat's theory right.
Lack of sense of humor.
If you feel unable to do so because of Tovan Khev I have trouble believing that you were able to tell your own story in the first place.
Argument #2
You are asking for the ability to rename or dismiss a BO who is an integral part of the Romulan storyline and voiced. Cryptic gave you something awesome tons of people would love to have for the Federation and you demand that they put even more free (for you) time and effort into coding him in a way that allows him to be cut out of the storyline. Because simply making him dismissable would mean that a bunch of people would turn up later and wonder why their females speak with a male voice and who this Rinna is. Making him dismissable after the storyline is over would be something Cryptic has never done before. Again, extra work, for what? For a minority who is unable to accept another male officer on the ship (news flash, they will spawn in your ship interior and there's nothing you can do) or are to cheap to buy 2 BO slots for far less than the price of a McDonalds Happy Meal to fix their personal problem.
Argument #4
Cryptic is no maiden, poor or otherwise and my armor colour of choice is never white. I'm just highly allergic to self-entitlement.
And it wouldn't be a Ktar post without an example of argument# 1.
More easily refuted junk that's already been rehashed and refuted as delivered by a socially maladjusted kid trying to look cool.
Sorry, I'm not answering to your posts anymore. It's too much like discussing engineering with a Pakled. You always repeat the same stuff. You ask for things. Things to make Tovan Khev go.
FKA K-Tar, grumpy Klingon/El-Aurian hybrid. Now assimilated by PWE.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Sorry, I'm not answering to your posts anymore. It's too much like discussing engineering with a Pakled. You always repeat the same stuff. You ask for things. Things to make Tovan Khev go.
Argument #1. The go to standard.
And you claim I always say the same stuff, you're stuck on an infinte loop, repeating the same four things over and over again. I am happy to see your emoticon count is down to safe levels all of a sudden though, good progress.
He's taking up a bridge officer slot that could be better put to use with higher quality officers. I just added a couple of very rare BOs to my crew and needed to free up some slots. Tovan was one of the odd-men out but I was forced to discharge an officer I didn't want to because we're stuck with him. This is not acceptable at all.
I find it interesting that a Rare/Ultra Rare BOff that you get for free at the beginning of the RR storyline, is considered lower quality than the run-of-the-mill, cookie-cutter BOffs you get later on. Furthermore, He has Torpedo Spread III and Canon Rapid Fire III, abilities that you normally would never get on any BOff, regardless of quality, without retraining them. Not to mention, he is an integral part of the story from the beginning.
I personally like the fact that he can't be dismissed. I also make sure that he's not only my Department head for Tactical, but also my First Officer. And have him on every away mission. I have had better survivability with him on my bridge, or on my away team, or both, than I did without him.
Tovan Khev was a GIFT to you from Cryptic. Don't look the horse in the mouth. And if you want more "useful BOffs", buy more BOff slots, instead of discharging other BOffs.
And if you want more "useful BOffs", buy more BOff slots, instead of discharging other BOffs.
Why? If the guy is useless to me, I shouldn't be burdened with him forever. If the guy can't be removed, he should be BiS (he's not), or should have his own independent mechanic if he's so integral to the story (this is really what they should have done, but were presumably too pressed for time to accomplish).
"Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society." - Aristotle
Drakon, my Rom can't get that Jem'Hadar BOff because he's only 34th level so far. The 4028 mission is still beyond his pay grade.
For that matter, I had Tovan's TS-III available to me when I first got my Mogai, back at lvl 20. Do you know any way I could have gotten that Jem'Hadar at that level? Other than knowing somebody who wanted to mail it to me, which I don't?
You do realize that he will probably be voicing dialogues in future FE series' don't you? I'd rather have VO than have someone with a different set of traits.
I'd rather have control over the bridge officers than (useless) VOs. VOs are extremely overrated; just look at that pile of steaming VO garbage, TOR, and that was from relative VO masters employing veteran VO actors.
Besides, I'm sure they can find a way to bring him back for narration in future FEs, if they even return to the Romulan story again in the future. Give him a position in D'Tan's government and get him off my ship, and he'll be free to pop up in a future FE.
Drakon, my Rom can't get that Jem'Hadar BOff because he's only 34th level so far. The 4028 mission is still beyond his pay grade.
My Romulan is a similar level, which is the only reason I'm not more incensed by this. It looks like I'll be dropping the char once I finish the Romulan FEs, or possibly sooner once I finish the Vengeance FE. Glad I didn't waste any cash on any Romulan ships as I was tempted to do.
Because simply making him dismissable would mean that a bunch of people would turn up later and wonder why their females speak with a male voice and who this Rinna is.
So you're saying this guy was implemented as shoddily as the two-faction system was implemented before the major overhaul they just undertook as part of bringing LoR online?
Sure, who the heck asked for TRIBBLE like story, immersion and voice overs anyway?
A minority. Probably even fewer than the people who are asking for fixes to the Galaxy ships or cruisers in general, or even the people who simply want to remove him from their boff list.
Why? If the guy is useless to me, I shouldn't be burdened with him forever. If the guy can't be removed, he should be BiS (he's not), or should have his own independent mechanic if he's so integral to the story (this is really what they should have done, but were presumably too pressed for time to accomplish).
If you don't like what you get for free, then simply don't play a Romulan. Tovan Khev is the best BO Cryptic was willling to give new Romulan toons at level 4/5, when you get your first ship. Do you honestly expect them to give you a purple BO with top of the line, level 50-esque skills? If that's the case, then you're dreaming big time. No game developer is going to give away a game changing item for free. And seeing as how all his abilities are retrainable, train him in the abilities you want to use. Otherwise, Take him out of a BOff seat, put him on the backburner, and use someone else in the BO seat.
Be glad for what you got for free. If you, and all the haters, want to get rid of Tovan, then, use your Dilithium to get the 250 zen to get extra boff slots for your ship, and then train whatever Tactical officers you want.
A whiny minority. Probably even fewer than the people who are asking for fixes to the Galaxy ships or cruisers in general, or even the people who simply want to remove him from their boff list.
VOs are a ton of work with minimal return.
The same kind of minority that complains about game balance and demands nerfs of abilities and classes in every other mmo out there? Seems kinda hypocritical that it's okay for one minority group in a game to demand this, that, or the other, and get what they want. Then, devs give another minority what they want, and it's suddenly the "whiny minority" to blame for content being added.
If you're really that unimpressed with STO, CS, and Tovan Khev, then just quit playing STO. Free up that spot for someone who actually enjoys the game, bugs not withstanding.
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Now, while I personally don't have this problem, it seems pretty clear that people may react badly to having their already limited slots held for ransom. I mentioned this to Borticus and he seemed receptive to the idea of +1 slot for Rommies so everyone can have a Tovan slot, thus removing this objection.
Of course, there's always going to be people who want him off simply because he doesn't fit their theme, and no amount of extra boff space will fix that for them. Similarly, the fact that they didn't actually give him GOOD traits, instead giving him only Superior Uselessnium and Inferior Operative, is going to eventually bench him.
Thanks for your wise words my friend
my words (in a much better english lol)
if I can give him full name change full sex change I would be ok
system Lord Baal is dead
If we were given the option to change Tovan's name, gender, and appearance then the BOff wouldn't be as frustrating, but even then there is the issue of dictating the role play experience.
What if you want an all-Reman crew? Even if we can change Tovan's name, gender and appearance if we're stuck with a Romulan and you don't want it then it's really frustrating.
The best solution is to just give players the "option" to keep him or get rid of him.
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
Can't you just go to the tailor, put a red shirt on him, and then let Roddenberry's Law take care of the rest?
He'll be dead in no time
lmao this was good !!!
system Lord Baal is dead
When I created my Romulan Captain, I used one of those online Romulan Name Generators to get an "authentic" sounding name. I got more than I bargained for: My Romulan toon's name?
Tovan.
There aren't officers with higher quality than Khev. Very Rare is the ceiling. Besides, why would you want to dismiss him? You do realize that he will probably be voicing dialogues in future FE series' don't you? I'd rather have VO than have someone with a different set of traits.
Although I wouldn't mind being able to "pass the buck" so to speak. Like, make a different Romulan male tactical officer be Tovan, I think that'd be alright. I do the same thing with my boffs that I get attached to, I save their appearance, copy their bio and find a VR officer of the same profession, gender, and species. Bam! They live on in a better body!
I like him too!
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
So how about the storyline gets one more optional quest at the end - the one where Tovan gets reassigned/goes off on a new adventure/goes to help the Republic/goes to join his sister/whatever.
He's there, in your crew, for the duration of the story. But when the story is done, you can have him wander off elsewhere.
How would that work with mission replay?
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
If someone is forcing you to play without putting Tovan in a BO slot you should maybe call the police.
Oh, and another one who is unable to understand sarcasm. You know what the big difference is? I didn't go to the Bioware forums and demanded that they get rid of the companions I don't like. That would be completely silly. Just like what you are doing. I accepted the game the way it was and enjoyed it.
So this what you think about all the time. Thanks for proving gardat's theory right.
If you feel unable to do so because of Tovan Khev I have trouble believing that you were able to tell your own story in the first place.
You are asking for the ability to rename or dismiss a BO who is an integral part of the Romulan storyline and voiced. Cryptic gave you something awesome tons of people would love to have for the Federation and you demand that they put even more free (for you) time and effort into coding him in a way that allows him to be cut out of the storyline. Because simply making him dismissable would mean that a bunch of people would turn up later and wonder why their females speak with a male voice and who this Rinna is. Making him dismissable after the storyline is over would be something Cryptic has never done before. Again, extra work, for what? For a minority who is unable to accept another male officer on the ship (news flash, they will spawn in your ship interior and there's nothing you can do) or are to cheap to buy 2 BO slots for far less than the price of a McDonalds Happy Meal to fix their personal problem.
Cryptic is no maiden, poor or otherwise and my armor colour of choice is never white. I'm just highly allergic to self-entitlement.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
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...TRIBBLE. Curses, foiled again! :P
And even when he is forced into the player's away team, he doesn't do anything story-wise that couldn't be covered by any other bridge officer, or for the most part even matters at all.
Also, since people keep harping on his rarity being purple - purple is just a color. D'Vex is objectively better for both ground and space and his rarity is blue.
'YOUR ship, YOUR crew, YOUR destiny'
not some bloke who tags along and acts like your boss, the only things he does that cant be done as simply with a custom boff are the voice over bits and giving a reason to trust Charva
why shouldn't we be allowed to get rid of him
for spoiler text use #1b1c1f
Bald Khev
Black Khev
Middle eastern Khev
Buff Khev
Teenage Khev
Shrunken khev
Giant Khev
Creature Khev
Aged Khev
and perhaps my favourite so far a khev with a pink federation uniform and yellow accessories and really Horrible boots
Intentional misunderstanding, not an argument.
Argument #2
Lack of sense of humor.
Argument #2
Argument #4
And it wouldn't be a Ktar post without an example of argument# 1.
More easily refuted junk that's already been rehashed and refuted as delivered by a socially maladjusted kid trying to look cool.
Sorry, I'm not answering to your posts anymore. It's too much like discussing engineering with a Pakled. You always repeat the same stuff. You ask for things. Things to make Tovan Khev go.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Argument #1. The go to standard.
And you claim I always say the same stuff, you're stuck on an infinte loop, repeating the same four things over and over again. I am happy to see your emoticon count is down to safe levels all of a sudden though, good progress.
I find it interesting that a Rare/Ultra Rare BOff that you get for free at the beginning of the RR storyline, is considered lower quality than the run-of-the-mill, cookie-cutter BOffs you get later on. Furthermore, He has Torpedo Spread III and Canon Rapid Fire III, abilities that you normally would never get on any BOff, regardless of quality, without retraining them. Not to mention, he is an integral part of the story from the beginning.
I personally like the fact that he can't be dismissed. I also make sure that he's not only my Department head for Tactical, but also my First Officer. And have him on every away mission. I have had better survivability with him on my bridge, or on my away team, or both, than I did without him.
Tovan Khev was a GIFT to you from Cryptic. Don't look the horse in the mouth. And if you want more "useful BOffs", buy more BOff slots, instead of discharging other BOffs.
For that matter, I had Tovan's TS-III available to me when I first got my Mogai, back at lvl 20. Do you know any way I could have gotten that Jem'Hadar at that level? Other than knowing somebody who wanted to mail it to me, which I don't?
I'd rather have control over the bridge officers than (useless) VOs. VOs are extremely overrated; just look at that pile of steaming VO garbage, TOR, and that was from relative VO masters employing veteran VO actors.
Besides, I'm sure they can find a way to bring him back for narration in future FEs, if they even return to the Romulan story again in the future. Give him a position in D'Tan's government and get him off my ship, and he'll be free to pop up in a future FE.
My Romulan is a similar level, which is the only reason I'm not more incensed by this. It looks like I'll be dropping the char once I finish the Romulan FEs, or possibly sooner once I finish the Vengeance FE. Glad I didn't waste any cash on any Romulan ships as I was tempted to do.
Couldn't you just mail it to yourself using a previous main?
So you're saying this guy was implemented as shoddily as the two-faction system was implemented before the major overhaul they just undertook as part of bringing LoR online?
A minority. Probably even fewer than the people who are asking for fixes to the Galaxy ships or cruisers in general, or even the people who simply want to remove him from their boff list.
VOs are a ton of work with minimal return.
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If you don't like what you get for free, then simply don't play a Romulan. Tovan Khev is the best BO Cryptic was willling to give new Romulan toons at level 4/5, when you get your first ship. Do you honestly expect them to give you a purple BO with top of the line, level 50-esque skills? If that's the case, then you're dreaming big time. No game developer is going to give away a game changing item for free. And seeing as how all his abilities are retrainable, train him in the abilities you want to use. Otherwise, Take him out of a BOff seat, put him on the backburner, and use someone else in the BO seat.
Be glad for what you got for free. If you, and all the haters, want to get rid of Tovan, then, use your Dilithium to get the 250 zen to get extra boff slots for your ship, and then train whatever Tactical officers you want.
Nuff said.
The same kind of minority that complains about game balance and demands nerfs of abilities and classes in every other mmo out there? Seems kinda hypocritical that it's okay for one minority group in a game to demand this, that, or the other, and get what they want. Then, devs give another minority what they want, and it's suddenly the "whiny minority" to blame for content being added.
If you're really that unimpressed with STO, CS, and Tovan Khev, then just quit playing STO. Free up that spot for someone who actually enjoys the game, bugs not withstanding.