If F2P players are "forced" to spend money it's not free to play. That being said there are methods of getting zen available without having to spend money.
Dillitium is the key, you don't need to spend money so I agree .
I doub it, I am helping Cryptic a lot, I am not a "free to play" player .
Another point that flew well over your head. I'm going to be charitable and assume there's a language barrier that just prevents you from staying on topic... and now I'm going to back away slowly and leave you to yourself.
Another point that flew well over your head. I'm going to be charitable and assume there's a language barrier that just prevents you from staying on topic... and now I'm going to back away slowly and leave you to yourself.
Hey, you think your "feedbacks" helps Cryptic, I think my money helps more. I don't complain now and enjoy the game. Tov must stay, if you need extra slots pay for them (Cryptic will be so happy for that and STO will be saved ) or farm dillitium (most of silvers players do it), but hey, you have your new feedback...ok, you win, are you happy? .
Yes, I am aware of the possible solutions to not wanting to use Tovan, thank you. Most players in this game are silver players and those silver players are not asking for "more customization." They are asking for "as much customization" as the first two factions receive. It's not an unreasonable request.
It is a very unreasonable request considering its only $2.50 to fix it and Tovan being dismissable would likely require lots of reworking of missions as they are now. I don't see whats wrong with making the few of you who are so set on not using him spend $2.50. Lots of new content that came out that you f2p need to support also.
It is a very unreasonable request considering its only $2.50 to fix it and Tovan being dismissable would likely require lots of reworking of missions as they are now. I don't see whats wrong with making the few of you who are so set on not using him spend $2.50. Lots of new content that came out that you f2p need to support also.
Lets do a comparison. We lock the KDF's new leveling content, all of their missions from 1-26 in the Z-Store. Completely unreasonable. Now, what if we only charge 2.50 to unlock it. Does the 2.50 suddenly make it reasonable? No, it doesn't. It doesn't even make it reasonable if we say the game must be supported somehow. It doesn't make it reasonable even if I personally don't see what's wrong with charging those few players who refuse to start at level 26 a little extra.
Now, why do you think that exact same reasoning works here? Lack of perspective is all I can figure. The Romulans were billed as a full faction, so it's not unreasonable to expect them to have something as fundamental as the standard number of customizable bridge officer slots.
Plus, as neither of us are developers, the grain of salt I am taking your analysis concerning how much work is involved in fixing this is pretty large. If you're right and this is gonna be alot of hard work, I'm happy to not see it done until much later. If you're wrong, and you probably are, then I'd like to see this happen sooner, just for the sake of parity.
Hey, you think your "feedbacks" helps Cryptic, I think my money helps more. I don't complain now and enjoy the game. Tov must stay, if you need extra slots pay for them (Cryptic will be so happy for that and STO will be saved ) or farm dillitium (most of silvers players do it), but hey, you have your new feedback...ok, you win, are you happy? .
Well, no, I know my feedback helps cryptic in that it informs them of what products they can make and sell to get money both from me and people like me. Your feedback does nothing.
Now, I also give Cryptic money. As do you, apparently. Now, I'm not sure what you give them money for, you've already admitted that you don't like the Klingon allied race ships. You don't like either of the Federations z-store only carriers. You don't like PVP so we can rule out any PVP oriented specialty consoles. And from what I can tell you've never once given them positive feedback about a z-store offering that could be used to inform them of your tastes for future development. But you say you give Cryptic money, and I have no reason to doubt you.
But in this comparison, do you see how, in the second part, giving them money, we're the same, but in the first part, providing feedback that they can use to intelligently guide their development and market their products, you could be doing more to support the company?
It is a very unreasonable request considering its only $2.50 to fix it and Tovan being dismissable would likely require lots of reworking of missions as they are now. I don't see whats wrong with making the few of you who are so set on not using him spend $2.50. Lots of new content that came out that you f2p need to support also.
It is completely unreasonable to expect one group of players to pay more to get what everybody else already has, and so is assuming that everybody who wants to dismiss Tovan is a free-to-play player.
And even if somebody does pay more, great, they now have 11 customizable bridge officer slots instead of the 12 everybody else who also bought those slots does.
I've already pointed out that Tovan's story contributions are minimal, at best. It would probably take more work to make him dischargeable only after completing the Romulan arc than it would be to just make him like any other Bridge Officer and tweak pertinent dialogue some. Alter the few things that reference him specifically (just take out the sister bit - it's worthless - and instead of having him personally vouch for Chavra, just have a Bridge Officer comment that Republic intelligence indicates she is an idealist) and the overall story will remain exactly the same.
edit: Heck, considering they can change the dialogue based on being Romulan or Starfleet or whatnot, it would probably be pretty easy for them to change the dialogue based on Tovan's presence in the crew.
It is completely unreasonable to expect one group of players to pay more to get what everybody else already has, and so is assuming that everybody who wants to dismiss Tovan is a free-to-play player.
Uhm. That's what's typically required to even play a new faction in an expansion. Spending money that isn't required to play what everyone else has.
And even then, rather than make Tovan dismissable, Cryptic COULD simply give everyone an extra BO slot.
And do the same for the other factions by giving Klingons and Federation their own Tovan equivalent with an extra BOff slot.
I kind of feel that all this unwarranted hate towards Tovan - who is a great character - is because he is a man.
You see for some individuals if another man is on their all female bridge crew it ruins their... I hate to use an anime term, but it ruins their "harem" dynamic.
Even with the Popeye body of a hyper masculine video game avatar these individuals are still subconsciously insecure about their personalities and worry they will repel any potential mates unless they (the bridge bunnies) have literally zero other options available.
Have some more self confidence in yourself and try having some men on your bridge crew. They won't steal your bridge bunnies, I promise.
Well, no, I know my feedback helps cryptic in that it informs them of what products they can make and sell to get money both from me and people like me. Your feedback does nothing.
Now, I also give Cryptic money. As do you, apparently. Now, I'm not sure what you give them money for, you've already admitted that you don't like the Klingon allied race ships. You don't like either of the Federations z-store only carriers. You don't like PVP so we can rule out any PVP oriented specialty consoles. And from what I can tell you've never once given them positive feedback about a z-store offering that could be used to inform them of your tastes for future development. But you say you give Cryptic money, and I have no reason to doubt you.
But in this comparison, do you see how, in the second part, giving them money, we're the same, but in the first part, providing feedback that they can use to intelligently guide their development and market their products, you could be doing more to support the company?
Paying, now, real money, no feedbacks, no promisses. Two new pure klingons ships? Buyed. Legacy of Romulus pack? Buyed. All klingons ships (not allied)? Buyed. All federation ships (except carriers)? Buyed. Do you think I hate carriers? No, I have an allien Jem'Hadar and he has his Dreaghtnout . If I need an extra Boff slot I don't complain, I don't make a new feedback, I buy it.
I see a lot of silver players here complaining about forcing to pay, forcing to farm more and more dillitium, their feedbacks are allways the same: If you give us feds carriers, melee weapons, etc etc, we will pay for them. Nice promisses but I can't see their money now. Real money, day by day ,can help STO to survive, feedbacks are nice, people like you think they are helping STO but promisses are just promisses.
I assume assimilatedktar works for either PW or Cryptic the way he is trying to make us who dont want or would like to swap Tovan out to buy extra BOFF slots. Sorry dude i dont want extra Boff slots since I only need 2 tac, 2 engi, and 2 sci to facilitate swaping ships that have 2 of 2 of those class and 1 of the other in any combination. If and when i buy a ship that has 3 of 1 class and the rest a mix of the otghers I will dismiss the least usefull and replace with the one I need. Being forced to have a tac slot filled by a BOFF I cannot dismiss is plain and simply wrong. There are better BOFFS out there and some of us want a specific race or even sex for our BOFFS.
Granted he fills the storyline well enough and is good until that storyline ends then it would be good if we got the option to replace him with another BOFF of our CHOICE. To prevent issues with replaying those mission he could be turned into a DOFF that cannot be traded out.
But then again this is another lack of choices they handed us with LOR. you loose the ability to choose one of your BOF slots, you lose the ability to choose to use a class specific ship while leveling and have to use one that is not. You even lose options!
All in all choosing to roll a Romulan character you are cheated out of things the other 2 factions have. And that is just plain wrong. I didnt mind having the BOFFs that were part of the storyline but now at lvl 50 I want to choose who my BOFFs are, not have them chosen for me.
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I assume assimilatedktar works for either PW or Cryptic the way he is trying to make us who dont want or would like to swap Tovan out to buy extra BOFF slots. Sorry dude i dont want extra Boff slots since I only need 2 tac, 2 engi, and 2 sci to facilitate swaping ships that have 2 of 2 of those class and 1 of the other in any combination. If and when i buy a ship that has 3 of 1 class and the rest a mix of the otghers I will dismiss the least usefull and replace with the one I need. Being forced to have a tac slot filled by a BOFF I cannot dismiss is plain and simply wrong. There are better BOFFS out there and some of us want a specific race or even sex for our BOFFS.
Granted he fills the storyline well enough and is good until that storyline ends then it would be good if we got the option to replace him with another BOFF of our CHOICE. To prevent issues with replaying those mission he could be turned into a DOFF that cannot be traded out.
But then again this is another lack of choices they handed us with LOR. you loose the ability to choose one of your BOF slots, you lose the ability to choose to use a class specific ship while leveling and have to use one that is not. You even lose options!
All in all choosing to roll a Romulan character you are cheated out of things the other 2 factions have. And that is just plain wrong. I didnt mind having the BOFFs that were part of the storyline but now at lvl 50 I want to choose who my BOFFs are, not have them chosen for me.
Ok, tipical silver player mentality, nothing new to see here, free to play, free to feedback, complainig for new things all the time, pay for nothing... My feedback it is still the same, I love Tov, if you need an extra Boff pay for it or farm some dillitium (its free, you know) and play the game, enjoy the game. Good luck and bye bye .
That might not work very good with him being an npc and a boff, sometimes there might be 2 of him appearing. Given he is introduced as a security officer and has great ground traits it wouldn't make sense for the story to show him as just tagging along on the away team and not actually fighting. I think its best to leave him as a boff.
except he doesn't tag along forcibly if you don't put him in your away team, with the exception of some few missions(like khitomer and the one where you capture chavra), he is not that essential, and since cryptic already have to fix him due to the bugs surrounding him, they could make him just an NPC that happens to be a boff that you can dismiss.
or has some people mentioned, let us get a female version of the boff, make it rinna khev and you get to rescue tovan at installation 18 if you choose rinna lol.
Paying, now, real money, no feedbacks, no promisses. Two new pure klingons ships? Buyed. Legacy of Romulus pack? Buyed. All klingons ships (not allied)? Buyed. All federation ships (except carriers)? Buyed. Do you think I hate carriers? No, I have an allien Jem'Hadar and he has his Dreaghtnout . If I need an extra Boff slot I don't complain, I don't make a new feedback, I buy it.
Sad, silly kid. Now if you ever, at any point, went to the forums to tell Cryptic that you would continue to buy any ship Federation ship that wasn't a carrier, you'd have taken step towards guaranteeing that there would be another Federation ship that wasn't a carrier. Wouldn't that have been nice.
But no, instead you came to this thread, you tried to embarrass the people in this thread into just shutting up, you tried to throw weight around like you had some kind of authority but instead just made yourself look like a butthead. It's a shame really.
I see a lot of silver players here complaining about forcing to pay, forcing to farm more and more dillitium, their feedbacks are allways the same: If you give us feds carriers, melee weapons, etc etc, we will pay for them. Nice promisses but I can't see their money now. Real money, day by day ,can help STO to survive, feedbacks are nice, people like you think they are helping STO but promisses are just promisses.
Now, as far as your feedback about the other feedback given. I'm sorry, but you're just today discovering what feedback is, you're not the person best able to judge the quality of feedback.
Ok, tipical silver player mentality, nothing new to see here, free to play, free to feedback, complainig for new things all the time, pay for nothing... My feedback it is still the same, I love Tov, if you need an extra Boff pay for it or farm some dillitium (its free, you know) and play the game, enjoy the game. Good luck and bye bye .
Now, you don't actually know how much money he's spent on the game, you're just assuming he hasn't spent anything. Why would you do that? The only thing I can imagine is that you're severely socially maladjusted and you have some weird kink about posting the most annoying insults you can on the internet. Is that true? Have you sought counseling?
I kind of feel that all this unwarranted hate towards Tovan - who is a great character - is because he is a man.
You see for some individuals if another man is on their all female bridge crew it ruins their... I hate to use an anime term, but it ruins their "harem" dynamic.
I think that's a bit of a red herring. The point is we're forced into keeping an annoying boff who steals the spotlight, forces your character to share his opinions, and railroads you into making your character say and do things you may not care to have your character say or do. It's like Divide et Impera all over again, and pixelated TRIBBLE wouldn't make it any better or any worse.
Cryptic tried to tell a story with Tovan. That story felt hokey and forced to many of us, and we'd like to have the option to get rid of it.
Tovan Khev should be dismissable; no buts, no ifs. Unlike some nerds here, I'm not just looking at stats or traits: I just want him to fit, visually, among my other bridge officers (I tend to run a full female-only team).
Besides, everyone having a Tovan Khev breaks immersion: your bofs ought to be personal and customized to your own desires: you know, like it used to be, before they broke bofs altogether.
[...] he's decent, but he's not the absolute best, which is what you'd expect when the developer decides to purposefully TRIBBLE on a game mechanic in this way.[/UQUOTE]
They didn't "TRIBBLE on a game mechanic", claiming that they did is needless hostility.:P
I don't think so. I'm incredibly happy with Tovan, even with my vice admiral. I'll have to see what I'll do with him on my Reman ship, but I'm sure I can think of something. I have more than enough character slots.
First paragraph complains about a mandatory character in another game, and how much he hated having them around.
Spends rest of post berating people for having the exact same kind of opinion, because this time he doesn't agree.
Seems legit :rolleyes:
Look chum, you can love Tovan as much as you like, I'm sure nobody would even mind if you started posting those Kirk/Tovan slashfics you write every day in your journal, however some of us still enjoy pretending this isn't a single player game but is rather an MMO where we can build our own crews and tell our own stories. Considering that all anyone is asking for is the ability to rename or dismiss a boff, ie a function that exists for every other boff in the game, I don't see why this is a big enough deal to cause you to put on your shining white armour and ride out in defence of the poor maiden Cryptic's sullied honour.
We are PWE. Your forums and game accounts will be added to our own. Your community will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
I appreciate what the devs were trying to do with Tovan in terms of creating a more compelling story, and I also feel that if a player likes the Tovan character they should have the OPTION of keeping him.
However, players should also have the OPTION to dismiss Tovan. MANY players have been vocal about Tovan ruining our role playing experience in the game.
I wanted my female Romulan character to have an all-female crew of Romulans and Remans, and I wanted my male Reman character to have a crew of all Remans.
The fact that I'm stuck with Tovan is RUINING the role play experience for me.
I love STO and I'm mostly happy with the new content despite all the bugs. But there is no excuse for forcing us to keep Tovan.
In the immortal words of Captain Sisko: "It may not be what you believe, but that doesn't make it wrong."
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
Tovan Khev is great in away teams, and you can train him in the skills to perform perfecty in any ship unless you are completely crazy about space traits, then he needs a cloak.
Aww, you changed the answer while I was replying. It's a shame that you are unable to understand a comparison with other unjustified whining. But still, here this is for you. Now stop complaining and act like the mature person you claim to be.
i pvp, i dont do "away teams" so yeh i dont want his dumb TRIBBLE
i pvp, i dont do "away teams" so yeh i dont want his dumb TRIBBLE
I think (may be Im wrong) has superior operative trait....Im sure you dont need that .You must have a crtH build less into cloak and more into face to fare pew pew :P
I think (may be Im wrong) has superior operative trait....Im sure you dont need that .You must have a crtH build less into cloak and more into face to fare pew pew :P
you are wrong, he only has operative and for my build this sucks because i only benefit from boffs with subterfuge and superior operative. i only space pvp in this game and this **** takes up a slot which could be used more effective for space pvp, the way i play and the versatility of my ship.
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Dillitium is the key, you don't need to spend money so I agree
I doub it, I am helping Cryptic a lot, I am not a "free to play" player
Good point
Another point that flew well over your head. I'm going to be charitable and assume there's a language barrier that just prevents you from staying on topic... and now I'm going to back away slowly and leave you to yourself.
Hey, you think your "feedbacks" helps Cryptic, I think my money helps more. I don't complain now and enjoy the game. Tov must stay, if you need extra slots pay for them (Cryptic will be so happy for that and STO will be saved
It is a very unreasonable request considering its only $2.50 to fix it and Tovan being dismissable would likely require lots of reworking of missions as they are now. I don't see whats wrong with making the few of you who are so set on not using him spend $2.50. Lots of new content that came out that you f2p need to support also.
Lets do a comparison. We lock the KDF's new leveling content, all of their missions from 1-26 in the Z-Store. Completely unreasonable. Now, what if we only charge 2.50 to unlock it. Does the 2.50 suddenly make it reasonable? No, it doesn't. It doesn't even make it reasonable if we say the game must be supported somehow. It doesn't make it reasonable even if I personally don't see what's wrong with charging those few players who refuse to start at level 26 a little extra.
Now, why do you think that exact same reasoning works here? Lack of perspective is all I can figure. The Romulans were billed as a full faction, so it's not unreasonable to expect them to have something as fundamental as the standard number of customizable bridge officer slots.
Plus, as neither of us are developers, the grain of salt I am taking your analysis concerning how much work is involved in fixing this is pretty large. If you're right and this is gonna be alot of hard work, I'm happy to not see it done until much later. If you're wrong, and you probably are, then I'd like to see this happen sooner, just for the sake of parity.
Well, no, I know my feedback helps cryptic in that it informs them of what products they can make and sell to get money both from me and people like me. Your feedback does nothing.
Now, I also give Cryptic money. As do you, apparently. Now, I'm not sure what you give them money for, you've already admitted that you don't like the Klingon allied race ships. You don't like either of the Federations z-store only carriers. You don't like PVP so we can rule out any PVP oriented specialty consoles. And from what I can tell you've never once given them positive feedback about a z-store offering that could be used to inform them of your tastes for future development. But you say you give Cryptic money, and I have no reason to doubt you.
But in this comparison, do you see how, in the second part, giving them money, we're the same, but in the first part, providing feedback that they can use to intelligently guide their development and market their products, you could be doing more to support the company?
It is completely unreasonable to expect one group of players to pay more to get what everybody else already has, and so is assuming that everybody who wants to dismiss Tovan is a free-to-play player.
And even if somebody does pay more, great, they now have 11 customizable bridge officer slots instead of the 12 everybody else who also bought those slots does.
I've already pointed out that Tovan's story contributions are minimal, at best. It would probably take more work to make him dischargeable only after completing the Romulan arc than it would be to just make him like any other Bridge Officer and tweak pertinent dialogue some. Alter the few things that reference him specifically (just take out the sister bit - it's worthless - and instead of having him personally vouch for Chavra, just have a Bridge Officer comment that Republic intelligence indicates she is an idealist) and the overall story will remain exactly the same.
edit: Heck, considering they can change the dialogue based on being Romulan or Starfleet or whatnot, it would probably be pretty easy for them to change the dialogue based on Tovan's presence in the crew.
Uhm. That's what's typically required to even play a new faction in an expansion. Spending money that isn't required to play what everyone else has.
And even then, rather than make Tovan dismissable, Cryptic COULD simply give everyone an extra BO slot.
And do the same for the other factions by giving Klingons and Federation their own Tovan equivalent with an extra BOff slot.
You see for some individuals if another man is on their all female bridge crew it ruins their... I hate to use an anime term, but it ruins their "harem" dynamic.
Even with the Popeye body of a hyper masculine video game avatar these individuals are still subconsciously insecure about their personalities and worry they will repel any potential mates unless they (the bridge bunnies) have literally zero other options available.
Have some more self confidence in yourself and try having some men on your bridge crew. They won't steal your bridge bunnies, I promise.
That is not solving the problem, it is spreading it around.
Paying, now, real money, no feedbacks, no promisses. Two new pure klingons ships? Buyed. Legacy of Romulus pack? Buyed. All klingons ships (not allied)? Buyed. All federation ships (except carriers)? Buyed. Do you think I hate carriers? No, I have an allien Jem'Hadar and he has his Dreaghtnout
I see a lot of silver players here complaining about forcing to pay, forcing to farm more and more dillitium, their feedbacks are allways the same: If you give us feds carriers, melee weapons, etc etc, we will pay for them. Nice promisses but I can't see their money now. Real money, day by day ,can help STO to survive, feedbacks are nice, people like you think they are helping STO but promisses are just promisses.
Granted he fills the storyline well enough and is good until that storyline ends then it would be good if we got the option to replace him with another BOFF of our CHOICE. To prevent issues with replaying those mission he could be turned into a DOFF that cannot be traded out.
But then again this is another lack of choices they handed us with LOR. you loose the ability to choose one of your BOF slots, you lose the ability to choose to use a class specific ship while leveling and have to use one that is not. You even lose options!
All in all choosing to roll a Romulan character you are cheated out of things the other 2 factions have. And that is just plain wrong. I didnt mind having the BOFFs that were part of the storyline but now at lvl 50 I want to choose who my BOFFs are, not have them chosen for me.
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
Ok, tipical silver player mentality, nothing new to see here, free to play, free to feedback, complainig for new things all the time, pay for nothing... My feedback it is still the same, I love Tov, if you need an extra Boff pay for it or farm some dillitium (its free, you know) and play the game, enjoy the game. Good luck and bye bye
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How is it a problem if you're not down a BOff slot?
except he doesn't tag along forcibly if you don't put him in your away team, with the exception of some few missions(like khitomer and the one where you capture chavra), he is not that essential, and since cryptic already have to fix him due to the bugs surrounding him, they could make him just an NPC that happens to be a boff that you can dismiss.
or has some people mentioned, let us get a female version of the boff, make it rinna khev and you get to rescue tovan at installation 18 if you choose rinna lol.
Sad, silly kid. Now if you ever, at any point, went to the forums to tell Cryptic that you would continue to buy any ship Federation ship that wasn't a carrier, you'd have taken step towards guaranteeing that there would be another Federation ship that wasn't a carrier. Wouldn't that have been nice.
But no, instead you came to this thread, you tried to embarrass the people in this thread into just shutting up, you tried to throw weight around like you had some kind of authority but instead just made yourself look like a butthead. It's a shame really.
Now, as far as your feedback about the other feedback given. I'm sorry, but you're just today discovering what feedback is, you're not the person best able to judge the quality of feedback.
Now, you don't actually know how much money he's spent on the game, you're just assuming he hasn't spent anything. Why would you do that? The only thing I can imagine is that you're severely socially maladjusted and you have some weird kink about posting the most annoying insults you can on the internet. Is that true? Have you sought counseling?
I think that's a bit of a red herring. The point is we're forced into keeping an annoying boff who steals the spotlight, forces your character to share his opinions, and railroads you into making your character say and do things you may not care to have your character say or do. It's like Divide et Impera all over again, and pixelated TRIBBLE wouldn't make it any better or any worse.
Cryptic tried to tell a story with Tovan. That story felt hokey and forced to many of us, and we'd like to have the option to get rid of it.
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Besides, everyone having a Tovan Khev breaks immersion: your bofs ought to be personal and customized to your own desires: you know, like it used to be, before they broke bofs altogether.
We are PWE. Your forums and game accounts will be added to our own. Your community will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
However, players should also have the OPTION to dismiss Tovan. MANY players have been vocal about Tovan ruining our role playing experience in the game.
I wanted my female Romulan character to have an all-female crew of Romulans and Remans, and I wanted my male Reman character to have a crew of all Remans.
The fact that I'm stuck with Tovan is RUINING the role play experience for me.
I love STO and I'm mostly happy with the new content despite all the bugs. But there is no excuse for forcing us to keep Tovan.
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
i pvp, i dont do "away teams" so yeh i dont want his dumb TRIBBLE
I think (may be Im wrong) has superior operative trait....Im sure you dont need that .You must have a crtH build less into cloak and more into face to fare pew pew :P
you are wrong, he only has operative and for my build this sucks because i only benefit from boffs with subterfuge and superior operative. i only space pvp in this game and this **** takes up a slot which could be used more effective for space pvp, the way i play and the versatility of my ship.
you like him I don't you want to keep him I don't now we are not asking for him to be taking out the game now are we ?
we who don't like him and want to Air lock him now sorry but that's not asking a whole lot
you want to keep him FINE keep him but give me the option to air lock him
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