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Tovan Khev Needs to Be Dismissable

darkelfofficerdarkelfofficer Member Posts: 6 Arc User
He's taking up a bridge officer slot that could be better put to use with higher quality officers. I just added a couple of very rare BOs to my crew and needed to free up some slots. Tovan was one of the odd-men out but I was forced to discharge an officer I didn't want to because we're stuck with him. This is not acceptable at all.
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  • kalanikalani Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Or they could just give us an extra BOff slot if they haven't already to account for the ways having him can limit us.
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  • theindefatigabletheindefatigable Member Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I hear ya but at the same time rather like the way he is built into the storyline and I imagine there might be issues with the missions if he were to be dismissed. Perhaps he could simply be upgraded to a purple quality officer, or as the above poster suggested we could be given an extra single boff slot?
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  • kalvorax#3775 kalvorax Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    tovan already IS a purple Boff...i jsut wish he had 2 space and 2 ground traits instead of 1 space and 3 ground :"(
  • kyhas1kyhas1 Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Edit: (ok now i looked up his traits), but he is a V Rare Officer.

    There are already issues, like people having other officers stand in for Toven when you change him from first place on ground and space slots.

    Ok his superior is in Soldier and stubborn, and with Plasma weapon spec He could be a fantastic tactical ground boff.

    Anyway he has Romulan Operative with is a good space trait and the only improve i can see is if you have a veteran or infiltrator space boff who also has operative.


    Anyway Toven is my go to ground tac officer.
  • gibsonunderscoregibsonunderscore Member Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Man, nobody likes this guy. :<

    That's a shame, because he's just so damn pretty.
  • kyhas1kyhas1 Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Man, nobody likes this guy. :<

    That's a shame, because he's just so damn pretty.

    I like him :)
  • messahlamessahla Member Posts: 1,160 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Tovan Khev or the romulan version of wesley crusher :D
  • cross821cross821 Member Posts: 185 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I like him my self. I don't really see a point in dropping him, for my self anyway.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    messahla wrote: »
    Tovan Khev or the romulan version of wesley crusher :D

    this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 100x this^^^^^^^^^
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    He basically locks a slot to a useless tactical officer
    and on a reman crew he is just plain ugly
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  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    messahla wrote: »
    Tovan Khev or the romulan version of wesley crusher :D

    Would have been money if Wil Wheaton voiced him. :eek:
  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    While I would not dispose of him myself, I do agree it should be an option.

    I also agree that a Will Wheaton voice over for the character would be awesome.
  • itsthebishopitsthebishop Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I don't enjoy Tovan Khev. He steals the spotlight from my captain. For example, there's a Romulan arc mission where you try to interrogate an Elachi. Tovan wasn't on my away team. He wasn't assigned to a space boff slot. He wasn't even a doff department head. Somehow he appears in the scene and starts trying to interrogate the Elachi.

    It's supposed to be my story. The Romulan story plays out more or less like the story of Tovan Khev, the whiny Luke Skywalker-esque farmboy from a backwater planet who has no redeeming qualities.
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Tovan Khev is a very rare officer with awesome skills and fully retrainable, so you will have a hard time replacing him with something better. The only slightly annoying thing about him is the Plasma Weapon Specialist trait which should not exist (Romulans always used disruptors on the ground). You get him for free right at the beginning of the campaign and he's an integral part of it, so I kindly suggest that you accept things how they are and buy additional bridge officer slots if you are that unhappy.

    Also Tovan Khev has less to do with Wesley Crusher than Janeway with Chekov....
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  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Tovan Khev is a very rare officer with awesome skills and fully retrainable, so you will have a hard time replacing him with something better.

    His traits range from meh to useless if you plan on flying something like a Galor, Orbcaster, or JHAS. His traits are not fully retrainable. If your intention is to play a Reman with a Reman crew, he does not fit in. His race is not fully retrainable. Both of these points have been mentioned in this thread. His skills have never once been mentioned as a reason to dispose of him.

    I'm going to kindly suggest that you learn at some point that people will not play the game the same way as you and that you approach suggestions more maturely in the future.=
  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    jermbot wrote: »
    His traits range from meh to useless if you plan on flying something like a Galor, Orbcaster, or JHAS.

    Awww, you have enough money to buy a lock box ship, but not enough for another bridge officer slot.:rolleyes: Not mentioning that he has mostly ground traits.
    jermbot wrote: »
    His traits are not fully retrainable.

    No BO has retrainable traits.
    jermbot wrote: »
    If your intention is to play a Reman with a Reman crew, he does not fit in. His race is not fully retrainable.

    There are no retrainable races in this game, thank the Elements. And how horrible. There has to be at least one Romulan on a Romulan Republic Warbird. Terrible.:rolleyes: Still beats the only canon Reman warbird we ever saw. The one that had a human captain. Tovan Khev and his sister are part of the Romulan storyline. Live with it.
    jermbot wrote: »
    His skills have never once been mentioned as a reason to dispose of him.

    Yeah, that was in the tribble forums where some people spread the rumour that his skills couldn't be retrained.
    jermbot wrote: »
    I'm going to kindly suggest that you learn at some point that people will not play the game the same way as you and that you approach suggestions more maturely in the future.=

    Immature are people who complain without end about getting something awesome for free. Reminds me of the facebook posts people made about having the worst Christmas ever. Because their parents got them the newest iPhone in white instead of black.
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  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Awww, you have enough money to buy a lock box ship, but not enough for another bridge officer slot.:rolleyes: Not mentioning that he has mostly ground traits.



    No BO has retrainable traits.

    So you understand why your "fully retrainable" point was useless. Good, we're making progress. Now lets see if you can drum up something mature to say.
    Tovan Khev and his sister are part of the Romulan storyline. Live with it.

    You realize that storyline ends right? Not even at level 50, by level 35 I was done with Tovan Khev and his sister. Maybe you haven't gotten that far yet. A declaration that it's reasonable to accept permanent restrictions for finite story is not mature.
    Immature are people who complain without end about getting something awesome for free. Reminds me of the facebook posts people made about having the worst Christmas ever. Because their parents got them the newest iPhone in white instead of black.

    Nope, I'm sorry, a mini-rant about Iphones is neither on topic, interesting, or mature. Oh well, we have some lovely parting gifts for you, please see the nice lady on your way out.
  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    jermbot wrote: »
    So you understand why your "fully retrainable" point was useless. Good, we're making progress. Now lets see if you can drum up something mature to say.

    Tovan Khev is great in away teams, and you can train him in the skills to perform perfecty in any ship unless you are completely crazy about space traits, then he needs a cloak.
    jermbot wrote: »
    Nope, I'm sorry, a mini-rant about Iphones is neither on topic, interesting, or mature. Oh well, we have some lovely parting gifts for you, please see the nice lady on your way out.

    Aww, you changed the answer while I was replying. It's a shame that you are unable to understand a comparison with other unjustified whining. But still, here this is for you. Now stop complaining and act like the mature person you claim to be.
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  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    i hate tovan, but would love to keep Veril. Too bad she's only a green without really interesting trais..

    the engi BOFF we get while lvling has a nice trait too ! :D
  • matthewpr1matthewpr1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I hear ya but at the same time rather like the way he is built into the storyline and I imagine there might be issues with the missions if he were to be dismissed. Perhaps he could simply be upgraded to a purple quality officer, or as the above poster suggested we could be given an extra single boff slot?

    Yeah there are issues with the story when you dont have him. I was helping out a member of my fleet with the elatchi, the thing is I'm a fed with a female first officer. Lets just say i was almost in tears whenever 'she' said something :')
  • blafiblafi Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Ok calm down kids...

    Pointing out another persons supposed immaturity is hardly a sign of maturity, and a lame way to try to win an argument at best.

    Just saying.

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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    See this is the problem when the storyline gets in the way of gameplay of an otherwise Gameplay and Story Segregation-filled game. Our freedom gets limited, and the storyline is practically forced upon us, gimping our character's potential in the process.

    What would be nice is if we could have the ability to do the voice acting work for all of our BOFFs, as well as limited "foundry"-like personal tweaking of the mission text. Then the missions requiring Khev could possibly have his parts be substituted for our custom BOFFs. In a perfect world(no, not that Perfect World), we could. But that isn't the case here. And probably won't be the case for a long, long while. I'm talking decades, if STO even survives that long.

    I'm just glad I never made a Romulan-faction character so I wouldn't have to deal with Khev. Good luck to those of you that have.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Firstly tovan is NOT rare he is "ultra common" Rare means most people do not have him
    and everyone has him

    Secondly if will wheaton is going to do a voice over he should play the Mirror universe Wesley
    come to destroy us all with his "ultimate doom" weapon

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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Perhaps, once you get to a certain point in the story missions, you unlock a special DOFF mission in your "Personal" tab that lets you turn BOFF Tovan into DOFF Tovan. He becomes a Very Rare Security Officer or Assault Squad Officer or something. Then he is still part of your crew and the story, but he isnt taking up a BOFF slot.
  • thedarkphenoixthedarkphenoix Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Personally, I like Tovan. He barely registers on the Carth Onasi scale of NPC frustration, and gameplay wise he's an effective ground officer

    However I do think that Cryptic need to take another pass at how the game handles him. Adding another BO slot for him would be a good start, along with fixing the bugs that cause other characters to appear in his dialogue window. I'd also like to see a way to move him off the bridge and to another ship interior location (such as the bar or the captain's quarters for those thatway inclined ;) ) to help those who want an all Reman/female/grinblesnark bridge crew.

    While there's no way to divorce him from the storyline of the Romulan Republic, by doing this it should help mitigate the annoyance some people feel towards him. He'd end up being that annoying tagalong friend that noone ever manages to get rid of.

    On another note, I am SO going to rue the day I have to swap out Veril for a better quality boff. Have to admit that I have a soft spot for my little Reman "Kaylee".
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  • phoeniciusphoenicius Member Posts: 762 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    you know, after the whole tovan khev story i thought we would at least get rinna as a boff lol, but not even that, we're stuck with only the annoying brother lol.

    also yes it would be nice to be able to discharge him.
  • millimidgetmillimidget Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    so I kindly suggest that you accept things how they are and buy additional bridge officer slots if you are that unhappy.
    Reminds me of the facebook posts people made about having the worst Christmas ever. Because their parents got them the newest iPhone in white instead of black.
    Now stop complaining and act like the mature person you claim to be.
    I don't really see the point in haranguing them. It doesn't seem mature at all. There's no requirement that you like the guy or should need to keep him; you're only stuck with him because he was poorly jammed into the current system.
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Bulldookey.

    All of my free Boffs are Very Rare So Tovan Khev is easily replaced. If they didn't force me to wait until I picked a stupid faction I'd have a full bridge crew of very rare boffs at level one.

    Android Boff - Very Rare
    Liberated Reman Borg Boff - Very Rare
    Liberated Borg Boff Fed/KDF - Very Rare

    And if I'm willing to buy a Boff from the C-Store I can get a Very Rare Catian, Anear, or Feresan.

    I can also pick up cheap Very Rare Boffs off of the Exchange. Got my two Very Rare Gorn Engineers for 10k each for my Rom KDF Pirate.


    Simple Very Rare Boffs are NOT hard to come by. A very specific Very Rare Boff can be a challenge.

    If you are willing to buy a BO from the C-Store you only strengthen my point that you could also simply buy two BO slots. Fact is that every Romulan gets a free decent purple quality BO with a good background story and voice overs. They don't have to pay in the C-Store, on the exchange, be a veteran or anything else, they just have to play the game to get him. If you don't like him, tough luck.
    However I do think that Cryptic need to take another pass at how the game handles him. Adding another BO slot for him would be a good start,[...]

    Federation characters get a green quality BO in their tutorial, then the first others they get are WHITE. Romulans start with a PURPLE and get a bunch of decent green ones and people really think that they should get FREE ADDITIONAL BO SLOTS for suffering so horribly?:eek:
    I'd also like to see a way to move him off the bridge and to another ship interior location (such as the bar or the captain's quarters for those thatway inclined ;) ) to help those who want an all Reman/female/grinblesnark bridge crew.

    This is something I wanted for years long before Tovan Khev was even a thought. I want to have all my BOs visible in my interior even when I choose a small bridge. Unfortunately I was the only one.
    On another note, I am SO going to rue the day I have to swap out Veril for a better quality boff. Have to admit that I have a soft spot for my little Reman "Kaylee".

    One day I'm going to look if I can copy other Veril's look on other female Remans (well, aside from her unique costume options), then I will look for a purple Reman female engineer with the appropriate traits, copy the look over, delete the old Veril and rename the new one.
    I don't really see the point in haranguing them. It doesn't seem mature at all. There's no requirement that you like the guy or should need to keep him; you're only stuck with him because he was poorly jammed into the current system.

    I think they made the perfect compromise. They could have made you stick with Veril and the search for her father too, they could have given you a complete TOR-like crew. They didn't. They occupied one of your BO slots with a decent mandatory BO. And he's no Malavai Quinn or Khem Val.
    The thing that bugs people the most is that we are losing a free Boff slot. This is important to people that build customized crews because Tovan doesn't fit in.

    "Lose" a free BO slot, get a free BO.
    Personally if it had been my decision I wouldn't have made Tovan a Romulan but instead an Alien and allowed players to choose a male or female version. That way the Boff could be changed to fit a players crew and still fit in with the story line.

    Eh, nope, it's about Romulans not random aliens from the space of the former Romulan Star Empire. Cryptic almost would have denied access to the alien creator to silver players to keep their numbers low, would have been stupid if one of the main NPCs is one.
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  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Tovan Khev Needs to Be Dismissable
    No he doesn't.
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