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Agh D'Deridex SUCKS! Lol.
fudgeoflife
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Ouch so I got to level 30 recently and got my new D'Deridex and all, and I did a mission and I noticed a HUGE drop in performance from my Mogai. So bad that im actually going back to my level 20 ship again...
Anyone else feel like this?
Anyone else feel like this?
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yeah i agree though mine didn't have a drop in dps just turned slow like a beached whale but at least it can tank like crasy but glad to be on my ha'apex advanced warbird now ^_^
Before answering the OP with that sort of reply, go take a look at the Warbird "Escort". Its wider than a Jem Dreadnaught, wider than the Failaxy, DWARFS the Excelsior... and has a base turn rate of... wait for it...
16...
Yeah.... 16....
The DD is basically the romulan's own big waste of hull space.... every race has them, it just hurts the romulans more because the roms have fewer ships.
when in battle cloak the big bird turns faster and moves faster, close to escort levels.
the Double D was epic.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
In a word, no.
Ultimately, you're trying to compare the Mogai and the D'Deridex - but there's a massive difference (literally, the D'Deridex is massive) between them. Firstly, the Mogai is an Escort-Warbird and the D'Deridex is a Battlecruiser. It's not meant for frontal attacks, it's meant for broadsiding. And after all, if you will insist on mounting cannons on it, you can use the cloak to get a monstrous turn speed bonus, plus the attack bonus upon decloaking.
I'm rolling in the D'Deridex retro now and I love it. But it is a cruiser, and the lack of Rom ships during level up is going to introduce players to a different style of play to what they're used to if they've been playing as a Tac before LoR. It's just a learning curve that you have to adapt to for a few levels. You can then go back to an Escort in the form of the Ha'Feh and the Dhelan, Mogai and T'Varo retrofits.
My build for the D'Deridex Retro doesn't include any RCS consoles. The Helmsman Trait is much, much more useful.
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Most new players will slot up their officers and wonder why the ship doesn't work. They won't realize that it turns faster while cloaked, nor will they know how to take advantage of this. All they will know is that the game trained them how to win for 20 levels and then threw a pie in their face, stole all their toys and made everyone in room laugh at them.
Veterans will slot it up just fine and use it. New players and those who don't already know the game inside out get majorly screwed.
It is one of two places in the new romulan content where the Devs screwed up big time. The other being the final mission. Both cases veterans know how to make the best of it, and new players get the shaft.
I fly heavies Fed-side so it wasn't much of a shock for me. It's a lot different from flying a Battlecruiser type ship, but.... managable. Newbies need to learn you to fly heavies some time don't they?
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I went KDF with my Rom and had the Vandal Destroyer for its console. Outside of Defense of New Romulus, it absolutely kicked TRIBBLE through the commander ranks. (And defense of new romulus just needs to be retuned, because the Eclaire are just overpowered)
Having the D'deribrick be the 4th tier ship was a poor choice when there are no other options. Feds can get away with 4th Tier Galaxy Class because you can just choose the Defiant. Klingons, as always, have the broadest ship variance to choose from.
If you're only going to have one ship per tier, it should really be designed with broad appeal.
Fortunately, leveling is absurdly fast in this game. I went from 40-45 in a single mirror event hour.
I play my D'd with cannons. I engage on my terms, decloak alpha with scatter volley and have my engineering powers like emergency power to weapons and directed energy modulation help make my enemies melt. If I need to turn I have Aux2Dampeners and recloaking which will help me reposition myself. Usually though enemies die before you ever need to turn (tractor beam/repulsor might help with that too).
This isn't a federation spacewhale, stuck maneuvering always with a low turnrate. Between fights, you can easily cloak and maneuver around with ease (which, quality of life-wise, is huge). The D'd works - you just need to think about how to best use it.
No, I don't. I find that the D'deridex performs quite well, when someone knows how to fly the damn thing. I'm frankly sick and tired of all the whining and complaining about the D'deridex. You don't like it? Tough. You can go play a Fed ship or KDF ship instead. Don't have the dilithium? Then get a Zen Store ship. You don't have Zen? Then use the Ambassador class from the Temporal Ambassador mission, or the KDF equivalent? Don't want to?
Then quit crying. If you're incapable of learning how to strategize, modify your BOff set up, and figure out what consoles you need to maximize what Cryptic gave you with the D'deridex/D'ridthau Battle cruisers, that's your problem. Not Cryptic's.
This.
If you suck, the Big D will suck.
If you're worth the space on the server you're taking up, the Big D is a freaking juggernaut.
Same with the Ha'apax (though I wish it would have a LtCom Tac slot, but I can live without it).
That's all there is to it.
^ - This. And what Kregor said as well. This is how I fly my D'deridex as well.
Tempting to play an allied ship until 40, but I can tough it out a few more levels.
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Built in such a way, the D'Dex I've found to be very reliable.
hell, debating making it my main ship after I retrofit it.
Let me give you an example. I just did One of the elachi missions on eilte where there was a tone of them hitting this space station (forget the name right now, sorry) I didn't die once (well technically I did but it was because of a ship detonation which critted. Ouch) Mind you it took AAAGES because I had rather stupidly decided to ditch my cannons before that, too used to broadsiding with my galaxy, but I figured out how to fight in the D'D pretty fast
You have to realize that the ship needs an RCS console. you can get a decent blue one from "The price of neutrality" Replayed that? Good. Ok now you want to fly in like a Mogai and go Dakka dakka? Sorry, you are playing with the big boys now. Use that cloak button. Pressed it? Amazing, you suddenly are turning like a Mogai!
So you hit one of the enemy, hit the cloak, fly behind him and spin on a dime to face his back, decloak and hit him, And then cloak again once the 15 sec cooldown is up, rinse, repeat, add your favorite singularity power when you decloak as well for extra fun. The nice thing about decloaking and hitting him? Your weapons do extra damage for 3-5 seconds when you decloak, AND you are able to feed him a nice plasma torpedo for the bargain. Sure, you cant use your healing powers when you are cloaked, With the exception of the cloak provided by the quantum shadows power and the Phase cloak of the c-store D'D, but you have a nice large crew to polish the bumps and bruises while cloaked. And even with standard beams the D'D does a lot of damage with the cloak bonus.
The Elachi are an npc race and should have ridiculous abilities, but you have tricks of your own. If you dont use them then you deserve to have your lungs handed to you. It's always fun when the game forces you to use your head. The Mogai arguably didn't really need the cloak but the Cloak is definitely part of the D'D fighting style.
You are a Romulan. SneakysneakyBOOM!
LOL Noted.
I cant resist my old school setup of a torp in front and back and beams for the rest. Can I still succeed with that setup too? Im anti canons unless Ive got a quick turning ship. Ive already decided the Double D will be my end game Romulan ship.
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Couldn't agree more. The current D'Deridex is horrendous and UNACCEPTABLE!
I did some balancing of my own and some research on the game's itemization budget for ship setups, and this is the ONLY ACCEPTABLE SETUP that the D'Deridex can have (imo):
Tier:5
Type: Warbird Battlecruiser
Hull: 34,500
Standard Shields:5,225 (Mk X)
Shield Modifier:1
Weapons: 4 fore 3 aft
Can equip dual cannons.
Crew: 50
Bridge Officers:
Commander Tactical, Lt. Commander Tactical, Ensign Engineering, Lt. Universal, Lt. Universal
Device Slots:2
Consoles: 5 Tactiacl 4 Engineering 1 Science
Turn Rate:20
Impulse Modifier:0.22
Inertia rating:70
Bonus Power:+15 weapons power
ANYTHING ELSE IS UNACCEPTABLE! I've crunched the numbers. I've looked at the other ships in the game. And the layout I present here is the only layout that works for the D'Deridex.
It's also cannon. If you watch Sacrifice of Angels or really ANY of DS9's last season, you'll see the D'Deridex PWNing the heck out of the combined forces of the Cardassians and the Dominion. Which is why the above setup is the ONLY setup that can work for the most iconic, most awesomest, most bestest, most popularity Romulan ship ever created.
Thoughts?
What ships do you currently PvP with?
ya you are thinking of the D'Deri as a escort not a battle cruiser almost everything about those stats are just wrong and better suited to a raider class ship the D'Deri is huge and honestly if a fun challenge to master and if i am hearing right one of the best ships the romulans have at their disposal its retrofit is a swiss army knife of BOFF slotting and the turning it negated by the cloak as another person said "sneakysneaky boom" thats how the romulans are not these kinda stats maybe the T'Varo if you were lucky would have had these stats but not the D'deri.
It should have been made a tier-5 ship, but then they would have had to come up with another one for tier-4