Yeah, I can do just fine exterminating bug ships like the cannon fodder that they are. Playing the last mission in the Dominion FE series in this thing is loads of fun! Then again, I loved Defense of New Romulus.
im of the opinion lately that this is the best cruiser without 4 tac consoles, thats solly about dealing damage. the potential trouble you can cause with both a LTC tac and LTC sci is preaty high, and though a bit unideal for AtB, these tac and sci powers with the uptime you can get is very powerful. thanks to the singularity powers and battlecloak, you can escape most focus fire with little trouble, so the AtB taking up all your eng slots never becomes to big a problem. a grav torp spread, beam arrays or single cannons, GW, ISO, special charges, APO1, EPtE, they all work great together on this ship
It's also cannon. If you watch Sacrifice of Angels or really ANY of DS9's last season, you'll see the D'Deridex PWNing the heck out of the combined forces of the Cardassians and the Dominion. Which is why the above setup is the ONLY setup that can work for the most iconic, most awesomest, most bestest, most popularity Romulan ship ever created.
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I consider the D'D to be a beast of a ship, no questions asked.
But there is not a single Romulan vessel in Sacrifice of Angels.
It's also cannon. If you watch Sacrifice of Angels or really ANY of DS9's last season, you'll see the D'Deridex PWNing the heck out of the combined forces of the Cardassians and the Dominion. Which is why the above setup is the ONLY setup that can work for the most iconic, most awesomest, most bestest, most popularity Romulan ship ever created.
Thoughts?
I dont know what series you were watching but that did not happen. at all. not only did the D'deridex not appear in SoA but when it did appear it was usually blowing up and doing very little attacking.
the die is cast - decimated along with the cardassians by the jem'hadar.
the tears of the prophets - taking heavy damage along with the rest of the fleet by the weapon platforms until the shields went down, but was doing no more damage than anything else.
the changing face of evil - decimated along with the entire fleet at the hands of the breen. not sure if they even fired a shot as the defiant was doing most of the action.
what you leave behind, saw very little of them, but one line said by Ross was the romulan lines were crumbling.
I love the D'D. It is one of my favorite ships. I loaded it with RCSs and it could keep up with all but the most agile escorts, and evasive maneuvers or battle clock make up the difference. I put three dual heavy cannons and my best torpedo For and I put one beam, mine, and turret Aft. I did pretty much the same thing on my Ha'apex but I use the two Breen torpedoes and two dual heavies For and the Omni-directional bean, a turret, and two mines Aft.
Also just as an technicality "battle cruiser" is the wrong term for the D'D. At least in the Navy, a battle cruiser is lighter, faster, and more agile then a battleship. A battleship was a "tankish" massive slow moving brute, comparable to a wood hulled ship-of-the-line.
The idea was to make a ship that had almost the same firepower as a battleship, but faster and more
maneuverable at the expense of armor. Though with the technological advancements of the early 1900s they could make battleships that were a lot faster without sacrificing armor, they were unofficially called "fast battleships" but in the books the Navy did not designate them differently then battleships.
Couldn't agree more. The current D'Deridex is horrendous and UNACCEPTABLE!
I did some balancing of my own and some research on the game's itemization budget for ship setups, and this is the ONLY ACCEPTABLE SETUP that the D'Deridex can have (imo):
ANYTHING ELSE IS UNACCEPTABLE! I've crunched the numbers. I've looked at the other ships in the game. And the layout I present here is the only layout that works for the D'Deridex.
It's also cannon. If you watch Sacrifice of Angels or really ANY of DS9's last season, you'll see the D'Deridex PWNing the heck out of the combined forces of the Cardassians and the Dominion. Which is why the above setup is the ONLY setup that can work for the most iconic, most awesomest, most bestest, most popularity Romulan ship ever created.
Thoughts?
You are joking right? This "ideal layout" is just a copy/paste of the stats listed on STO wiki for the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship. No, we do not need a D'Deridex turning and fighting like a JHAS, it would go completely against cannon.
Honestly, the D'Deridex has the same problem the Bortasqu' does: It's too different from the stuff that comes before it in level progression, so people don't get how to handle it properly and start leaning on the "whine" button. If Cryptic had been willing to spring for a full ship lineup for the Republic and more mighty glaciers for the Klinks we'd have a lot less complaints about either of them.
@the guy above me: Yes, he was joking, and no, sarcasm doesn't work in text so people should stop trying to use it. And you want the word "canon", not "cannon". One's a decision on what is official in a body of fiction, the other is a gun.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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D'D is compareable with oddy or bortas.
But D'D with cannons is terrible pain, I prefering broadside build with 6x 250 plasma beams 1x experimental beam 1x cutting beam. If you have not enough weapon power, change one beam for plasma mines or romulan torpedo on aft. I know, she is a romulan ship , not a federation, but simply you can not play on her a front weapon build because she is very slow even if you have emerg2engine +aux2damp+RCS consoles.
I love the D'Deridex and because of my love I'm forced to not fly it as the ship we have been given here is a pale shadow of what the D'D should be. As a Battle Cruiser (as classified by the Federation) it should have a significantly higher turn rate.
It may not have been shown kicking butt and taking names in DS9 but in my opinion it has always appeared fairly nimble for its size on screen. I believe it should have a BO layout like the Jem Dread with a turn of 8 or 9. It should also have a single hangar bay which is also canon.
It is a bit jarring to switch from a nimble Mogai to a ponderous D'Deridex. But I have extensive experience with flying Oddy, so.... It's not really a problem, just a bit of a change in pace.
I can't think of any time in the shows that a D'D was seen turning quickly. (Compared to a Galaxy)
Neither the D'D nor the Galaxy have ever been seen engaging in anything that could be described as acrobatic. Both seem to prefer the battle strategy of sitting there stationary while dispensing whoopass.
This does not work well in STO because the Galaxy lacks whoopass.
It should also be noted that in all such cases, the whoopass was dispensed forwardly. No evidence on screen indicates that "broadside" was ever a thing. This seems purely an STO notion.
The d'deridex is my favorite romulan ship, just as the galaxy is my favorite starfleet ship. My experiences with the galaxy have taught me to ignore what the majority says about a certain ship and find the true potential in them. Most anyone will tell you that the galaxy sucks, and can't be useful in any situation. I think I've proven them wrong already. My galaxy, when fitted properly, takes second and sometimes first place consistantly in nearly every stf. The same will be true of my d'deridex. There are many new consoles and items out now that are real benefit only to these giant, slow turning ships, and it only takes time and patience to find the perfect combination of parts to make a ship truly deadly.
That doesn't mean they don't suck, though: The problem with the Failaxy is that, while you CAN get it to do some damage, you can apply the same build nearly verbatim to just about any other ship and that ship will do it BETTER.
I'm disappointed that the devs gave the ship a carriers turn rate (the scimitar is bigger, with a hangar bay and turns better...wtf), but if you load the ship up with a couple Fleet RCS Accelerators you can get the turn rate up so that it doesn't feel too sluggish (got mine up to 16.3 deg/sec). It's a bit of a sacrifice, but as it's my favorite Romulan ship (grew up watching TNG) I had to figure out something to make it work. Thankfully, the ship has a decent bridge officer layout with above average tactical and science options.
I've still managed to pull about 15k dps out of the space whale. Which isn't too bad all things considered. I wouldn't say the ship sucks... I think it's just a bit of a disappointment. Particularly for TNG fans who saw the D'Deridex as the big bad villain ship. I suppose we should be happy it's not as bad as the Galaxy... then it would be unusable.
It should also be noted that in all such cases, the whoopass was dispensed forwardly. No evidence on screen indicates that "broadside" was ever a thing. This seems purely an STO notion.
Watch "Sacrifice of Angels" again. The opening volleys of the capital ship fight clearly show GCSs crossing the T on the Dominion/Cardassian fleet.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Watch "Sacrifice of Angels" again. The opening volleys of the capital ship fight clearly show GCSs crossing the T on the Dominion/Cardassian fleet.
Also there's the fight between the Ent-E and Scimitar. That had all kinds of fun maneuvers. Barrel rolls, strafing runs, a reverse strafing run, and yeah, broadsides....
I will probably never get why so many people seem to be obsessed with turn-rate and a fighter-like combat style. Except the Defiant and B'rel-class, hardly any ship in Star Trek performs maneuvers similar to fighter craft.
Considering the size of the ships, that shouldn't be, because otherwise you'd end up in turning Star Trek into a Trek-universe version of X-Wing. Especially with the stupid obession to put cannons in nearly every ship (yes, I know the game mechanics and understand that it might be necessary for pvp-players, but it is often a blunt canon violation), this trend gets pushed even more foward.
I am cruiser captain since the beginning and can only say that you have to adapt to the ships characteristics if you want to get the most out of it. But it's the same with other classes, nobody would think of drawing the aggro of several Borg ships while commanding the Defiant and expect to live long.
The D'Deridex is a ship of the line, not some fast attack frigate. I agree that the Scimitar is too fast, which makes it a little overpowered, but the D'Deridex just behaves like it should according to how it is displayed on screen.
Just got my Double D and ... well ... OK, so shes slower than continental drift without any assistance, but she can take a huge beating without flinching and her singularity powers, Console/BoFF layout and battle cloak make her a dangerous beast ...
You just have to use more tactics, which is probably why some lazier players complain about her, they won't be happy until they can have a 2000000 HP fighter that does 20000000 DPS from a single gun with a 360 firing arc and can one shot kill anything, so they don't have to think at all ...
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I consider the D'D to be a beast of a ship, no questions asked.
But there is not a single Romulan vessel in Sacrifice of Angels.
I dont know what series you were watching but that did not happen. at all. not only did the D'deridex not appear in SoA but when it did appear it was usually blowing up and doing very little attacking.
the die is cast - decimated along with the cardassians by the jem'hadar.
the tears of the prophets - taking heavy damage along with the rest of the fleet by the weapon platforms until the shields went down, but was doing no more damage than anything else.
the changing face of evil - decimated along with the entire fleet at the hands of the breen. not sure if they even fired a shot as the defiant was doing most of the action.
what you leave behind, saw very little of them, but one line said by Ross was the romulan lines were crumbling.
Also just as an technicality "battle cruiser" is the wrong term for the D'D. At least in the Navy, a battle cruiser is lighter, faster, and more agile then a battleship. A battleship was a "tankish" massive slow moving brute, comparable to a wood hulled ship-of-the-line.
The idea was to make a ship that had almost the same firepower as a battleship, but faster and more
maneuverable at the expense of armor. Though with the technological advancements of the early 1900s they could make battleships that were a lot faster without sacrificing armor, they were unofficially called "fast battleships" but in the books the Navy did not designate them differently then battleships.
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@the guy above me: Yes, he was joking, and no, sarcasm doesn't work in text so people should stop trying to use it. And you want the word "canon", not "cannon". One's a decision on what is official in a body of fiction, the other is a gun.
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But D'D with cannons is terrible pain, I prefering broadside build with 6x 250 plasma beams 1x experimental beam 1x cutting beam. If you have not enough weapon power, change one beam for plasma mines or romulan torpedo on aft. I know, she is a romulan ship , not a federation, but simply you can not play on her a front weapon build because she is very slow even if you have emerg2engine +aux2damp+RCS consoles.
It may not have been shown kicking butt and taking names in DS9 but in my opinion it has always appeared fairly nimble for its size on screen. I believe it should have a BO layout like the Jem Dread with a turn of 8 or 9. It should also have a single hangar bay which is also canon.
I can't think of any time in the shows that a D'D was seen turning quickly. (Compared to a Galaxy)
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This does not work well in STO because the Galaxy lacks whoopass.
It should also be noted that in all such cases, the whoopass was dispensed forwardly. No evidence on screen indicates that "broadside" was ever a thing. This seems purely an STO notion.
I've still managed to pull about 15k dps out of the space whale. Which isn't too bad all things considered. I wouldn't say the ship sucks... I think it's just a bit of a disappointment. Particularly for TNG fans who saw the D'Deridex as the big bad villain ship. I suppose we should be happy it's not as bad as the Galaxy... then it would be unusable.
Watch "Sacrifice of Angels" again. The opening volleys of the capital ship fight clearly show GCSs crossing the T on the Dominion/Cardassian fleet.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
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Considering the size of the ships, that shouldn't be, because otherwise you'd end up in turning Star Trek into a Trek-universe version of X-Wing. Especially with the stupid obession to put cannons in nearly every ship (yes, I know the game mechanics and understand that it might be necessary for pvp-players, but it is often a blunt canon violation), this trend gets pushed even more foward.
I am cruiser captain since the beginning and can only say that you have to adapt to the ships characteristics if you want to get the most out of it. But it's the same with other classes, nobody would think of drawing the aggro of several Borg ships while commanding the Defiant and expect to live long.
The D'Deridex is a ship of the line, not some fast attack frigate. I agree that the Scimitar is too fast, which makes it a little overpowered, but the D'Deridex just behaves like it should according to how it is displayed on screen.
You just have to use more tactics, which is probably why some lazier players complain about her, they won't be happy until they can have a 2000000 HP fighter that does 20000000 DPS from a single gun with a 360 firing arc and can one shot kill anything, so they don't have to think at all ...