God forbid someone flies something besides their pew pew fast turning turret ships, contrary to popular belief there are other types of ships out there as well and they don't innately suck just because they aren't escorts or someone can't fly them.
every fed fleet escort but the defiant, vet ships, fleet kdf battle cruisers. soon to be every war bird too, even the d'deridex. but that will mostly be for the lulz, its a worse battle cruiser then the galaxy X. i would use sci ships but sci captains and sci ship tactics in general arent my thing.
anything else is not worth using. they ether turn to slow or use weapons that have a 0 net effect on who you shoot at. im a very experienced battle cruiser user, i know how to make a cruiser and DHCs work together. it just cant happen to an effective degree when the base turn rate starts THAT low. a battel cruiser is about heavy energy damage atrition becase they lack the higher end tac abilities that are needed for good spike, if your battle cloaking every 15 seconds your not applying steady spikeish damage that you need to be. its a sucky ship on paper and its a sucky ship when you try to apply tactics that actually work on it. there are tactics that fit its turn rate beter, but those tactics dont do anything.
All the people saying it's fine, could you put up with some actual log parses or other concrete evidence of your claims? Otherwise it's just hot air coming out of you lot defending this beached whale.
The end game PvE demands pewpew. it is what it is designed around, if a ship can't superbly fill that function, then it is irrelevant outside of personal preference.
If all of you are upset with the D'D, I can't wait to hear the crying when they put in the much demanded Scimitar. That thing is going to turn like a pregnant yak.
I don't see a problem with it, I'm using it as a beamboat and it's pretty effective, and can hold it's own in ESTF's whilst being a healboat at the same time.
Then again, I have totally no interest in the d**k measuring competition that is PvP.
Not to mention it is sodding huge. Why the hell do you guys think it should be an escort?
Why the hell do you guys think it should be an escort?
It should be a battlecruiser, not an escort and certainly not a beached whale with its teeth pulled out like it is now. This means its turnrate should be around 8-10 and not 5. The D'Deridex has a battlecruiser BOff-layout but lacks the turnrate to make good use of it.
It should be a battlecruiser, not an escort and certainly not a beached whale with its teeth pulled out like it is now. This means its turnrate should be around 8-10 and not 5. The D'Deridex has a battlecruiser BOff-layout but lacks the turnrate to make good use of it.
Just because it turns a little slow that means its a pointless ship? There are so many things in game that improve turnrate including a trait now, not to mention they have given a little buff to those abilities when it comes to larger ships.
I've been flying a D'ridthau with dual cannons and I'm just using a single mk viii blue rcs console and I get along fine even with all those annoying little gnats subspace jumping around me.
I haven't even gotten to the Retrofit yet which has probably the nicest boff seating of any battlecruiser and has teeth contrary to what some people think just because it has a slow turn rate.
It's fine in PvE, but then again you can succeed with every ship in this game in PvE because it's so damn easy. Turnrate only matters in PvP and therefore the D'Deridex is pretty much an epic fail for it. I have made some tests with it and even with 4 RCS consoles and 100 power to engines (due to Plasmonic Leech and Aux2Bat) and 9 Skillpoints in all categories which buff speed and turnrate this ship reaches just ~14 whereas Klingon battlecruisers which feature basically the same layout (minus the LtC Science) easily reach 30. Just for the record, the average escort has 40-50 turnrate in PvP without RCS. Good luck with the D'Deridex. You can either slot beams which barely do any damage in PvP or field cannons, though you will barely get a chance to fire them.
The level 30 DD is incredibly useful for tanking the Elachi ships even on full power to weapons. Even with the powers mentioned above you also still have the singularity power to give lots of free HP as an Oh Dear button when the fan starts getting splattered.
I do actually love this ship although have to admit I also enjoyed getting out of it and into the Ha'Nom.
Been using my fleet dd for awhile, it works great for me using aux2bat build. Turn isn't a problem with core that boosts engine power, apo1, leech, 2 rcs consoles, and max impulse thrusters skill. I use DHC on it and always on target. Even with threat reducing consoles I was still getting agro all the time in stf. DPS is good using 3 plasma DHC, 1 plasma torp, 4 plasma turrets and 3 plasma infused embassy consoles.
....aside from some "forum tough-guys" around here........
I can see the OP's point - In the Federation and Klingon Factions you have a variety of ships for each profession, whereas with the Romulan (at least for now), you only have one ship(yes I understand refits but maybe not everyone has one) per tier, for all professions. I'm not in a fleet that can get the Fleet variant(If I understand how the Fleet Advancement system works), so for me (and I'm guessing the OP) this is really the only T4 ship available right now. Before someone jumps that and says "you can get a Fed ship!!!!!!!!!", I understand that as well, maybe the OP is staying true to Romulan ships, maybe he likes the cut of their jib...I dunno - does it matter? If you removed the other two Factions, and the Romulans were all you had, you would have one ship per tier. Would you not?
Plus I'll admit it - I'm a Tactical Captain on the Romulan Faction, and when I went to the T4 ship my first mission was painful because compared to what I was used to, the DD turned like a drunken cow. That's not to say it's a bad ship, just radically different than what I had done for the last year.
But that was mostly me, I play Tac for the most part, so to be dropped into a cruiser, kinda forced me out of autopilot, so I had to go back and re-tune everything, but still I can understand the OP's point (I think), with the whole "wedged into a cruiser regardless of profession" point....If that is indeed his point.....
And lighten up guys he said "LOL" in the title........
Just because it turns a little slow that means its a pointless ship?
It doesn't turn a little slow. It has the lowest turn rate of any ship in the game, tied with the atrox and the vo'quv. The fleet version gets a meager .5 deg/sec increase, putting it on the same level as the likes of the tholian carrier. But things like the jem'hadar dread and the odyssey still have a higher base turn rate. Also factor in the ship's power weakness, since it generates 40 less points of energy across the board like all romulan ships. This means it'll have less engine power boosting that turn rate. Also, almost every option to up turn rate is based on percentages of your base modifier. So if you have the lowest turn rate in the game, you will also get the lowest increase from turn rate buffs in the game. The only option that really puts it up to a manageable level is its battle cloak, which gives a flat bonus to its base turn rate modifier, not a percentage. This gives it a lot more turning oomph, but only while cloaked.
People screaming "don't fly it like an escort" should probably keep in mind that even cruisers and their broadside tactics benefit from good handling. If you load this thing up for beam broadsiding, you will still have a very hard time keeping a lot of enemies in the arc overlap. This ship could definitely benefit from turn rate being bumped up to 6 or even 7 if they're feeling generous, without killing game balance. If they want to offset that with something, they can make the cloak not have the big turn rate boost. It is kinda silly from a suspension of disbelief standpoint anyway.
The Captain lvl D'Deridex is pretty terrible. The carrier turn rate really hurts it. With that said I still plan on getting the Fleet D'Deridex and making it work. I have a few ideas on how to make it a proper battle-cruiser, but if all else fails I guess I'll have to go beam broadside . As for PvP yeah this thing is just a waste of time. I find it funny how people argue that there are ways to increase the turn rate on this whale like that's going to help. Guess what? Everyone else can use those methods to make their ships even more nimble leaving you just as slow as before. As for using the battle cloak to turn...meh good luck with that. You'll be dead before you finish cloaking.
It's fine in PvE, but then again you can succeed with every ship in this game in PvE because it's so damn easy. Turnrate only matters in PvP and therefore the D'Deridex is pretty much an epic fail for it. I have made some tests with it and even with 4 RCS consoles and 100 power to engines (due to Plasmonic Leech and Aux2Bat) and 9 Skillpoints in all categories which buff speed and turnrate this ship reaches just ~14 whereas Klingon battlecruisers which feature basically the same layout (minus the LtC Science) easily reach 30. Just for the record, the average escort has 40-50 turnrate in PvP without RCS. Good luck with the D'Deridex. You can either slot beams which barely do any damage in PvP or field cannons, though you will barely get a chance to fire them.
Then tell me how I can get my D'ridthau up to a turn rate of 10.1 with one mk viii rcs console only 6 points in impulse thrusters and 3 points in engine power...while my engine power was averaged out to a whopping 63?
Its not so much that the D'Deridex sucks its that as said before the other factions dont FORCE players into a Cruiser cuz thats what it is. Every faction for the first 20-30 levels we are given hybrid ships, that arent escorts/science or cruisers. Then you hit level 30 as Romulan/Reman and BAMM ZING your told by Cryptic "STFU and get in the Cruiser or pay us!". Really??
What Romulan Faction needs is escort and science ships (1 of each per tier) for 30 and 40. I have huge problems with lvl40 Escort equiv and its massive size, power slides..but atleast I can gimp my way through to 50 with it but with D'Deridex I'd rather give up on sweet Romulan ships and use C-Store Defiant I baught for my Tac Fed.
I don't see a problem with it, I'm using it as a beamboat and it's pretty effective, and can hold it's own in ESTF's whilst being a healboat at the same time.
I've configured it the same way and it seems reasonably effective. However, it is a serious tub of lard and far less nimble than the canon vessels as seen in the shows.
Then again, I have totally no interest in the d**k measuring competition that is PvP.
Seconded. STO pvp is still mechanically beyond unappealing. It seems that both the provider and the wallet warriors are content with the min/max, pay-to-be-competitive and tech-over-tactics madness. Unless my fleet needs a fill in, I won't even touch that mess anymore.
I don't like slow turning ships so I used a Klingon (ally) C-Store ship instead of using the D'Deridex. Sure it is probably better then a Galaxy class that I used in the past and I hated flying that ship but I just don't really plan on flying a low turn rate ship again. They just are not fun for me taking so much longer to get from place to place.
Making someone go from flying ships with good turn rate and tactically based to bad turn rate and more Engineering focused sucks so either get a ally C-Store ship or stick with the tier 3 Mogai.
I don't like slow turning ships so I used a Klingon (ally) C-Store ship instead of using the D'Deridex. Sure it is probably better then a Galaxy class that I used in the past and I hated flying that ship but I just don't really plan on flying a low turn rate ship again. They just are not fun for me taking so much longer to get from place to place.
Making someone go from flying ships with good turn rate and tactically based to bad turn rate and more Engineering focused sucks so either get a ally C-Store ship or stick with the tier 3 Mogai.
Its only 10 levels which go by quick enough, not like half your career you are flying a escort then the other half they're forcing you to fly a cruiser.
Way I see it, you get a chance to try nearly all the Romulan ships at the "growing" levels. So you can test and see which is for you. Then when it comes time for Lv50 you usually have a good idea what you getting on the higher level version. Granted it might be bad for some players, but others will love and excel with the D bird. So its only for 10 levels so it won't kill you. If not use the lower level ship for those levels and skip. I remember doing that with my KDF using the D7 / K'Tinga ship. I ran that ship way into the levels. Due to how much I loved that class. So I didn't use the Vor'cha as much.
If you don't like it, don't get it and use it. There is plenty of other ships on the game to pick and choose for your enjoyment.
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I personally liked my D'Dedirex. She has muscle enough to take a hit, with just enough firepower to keep things even with the other PvE related missions. The 'trick' is to treat her as she was intended, not as an escort. Where as the mogai acted as the cross between escort and cruiser, the D'Dedirex is all cruiser. Play by its rules, instead of trying to make it something its nought.
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Its only 10 levels which go by quick enough, not like half your career you are flying a escort then the other half they're forcing you to fly a cruiser.
True your only flying it for a short time but I still don't want to fly it at all after how much I disliked flying a Galaxy in addition I already have C-Store ships unlocked from my ally choice.
With my free L30 D'deridex I managed to beat Defense of New Romulus on my first try, without resorting to repeated suicide runs or teaming up with other players.
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Are you sure there are other ships . . .
every fed fleet escort but the defiant, vet ships, fleet kdf battle cruisers. soon to be every war bird too, even the d'deridex. but that will mostly be for the lulz, its a worse battle cruiser then the galaxy X. i would use sci ships but sci captains and sci ship tactics in general arent my thing.
anything else is not worth using. they ether turn to slow or use weapons that have a 0 net effect on who you shoot at. im a very experienced battle cruiser user, i know how to make a cruiser and DHCs work together. it just cant happen to an effective degree when the base turn rate starts THAT low. a battel cruiser is about heavy energy damage atrition becase they lack the higher end tac abilities that are needed for good spike, if your battle cloaking every 15 seconds your not applying steady spikeish damage that you need to be. its a sucky ship on paper and its a sucky ship when you try to apply tactics that actually work on it. there are tactics that fit its turn rate beter, but those tactics dont do anything.
The end game PvE demands pewpew. it is what it is designed around, if a ship can't superbly fill that function, then it is irrelevant outside of personal preference.
Then again, I have totally no interest in the d**k measuring competition that is PvP.
Not to mention it is sodding huge. Why the hell do you guys think it should be an escort?
It should be a battlecruiser, not an escort and certainly not a beached whale with its teeth pulled out like it is now. This means its turnrate should be around 8-10 and not 5. The D'Deridex has a battlecruiser BOff-layout but lacks the turnrate to make good use of it.
Just because it turns a little slow that means its a pointless ship? There are so many things in game that improve turnrate including a trait now, not to mention they have given a little buff to those abilities when it comes to larger ships.
I've been flying a D'ridthau with dual cannons and I'm just using a single mk viii blue rcs console and I get along fine even with all those annoying little gnats subspace jumping around me.
I haven't even gotten to the Retrofit yet which has probably the nicest boff seating of any battlecruiser and has teeth contrary to what some people think just because it has a slow turn rate.
I do actually love this ship although have to admit I also enjoyed getting out of it and into the Ha'Nom.
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I can see the OP's point - In the Federation and Klingon Factions you have a variety of ships for each profession, whereas with the Romulan (at least for now), you only have one ship(yes I understand refits but maybe not everyone has one) per tier, for all professions. I'm not in a fleet that can get the Fleet variant(If I understand how the Fleet Advancement system works), so for me (and I'm guessing the OP) this is really the only T4 ship available right now. Before someone jumps that and says "you can get a Fed ship!!!!!!!!!", I understand that as well, maybe the OP is staying true to Romulan ships, maybe he likes the cut of their jib...I dunno - does it matter? If you removed the other two Factions, and the Romulans were all you had, you would have one ship per tier. Would you not?
Plus I'll admit it - I'm a Tactical Captain on the Romulan Faction, and when I went to the T4 ship my first mission was painful because compared to what I was used to, the DD turned like a drunken cow. That's not to say it's a bad ship, just radically different than what I had done for the last year.
But that was mostly me, I play Tac for the most part, so to be dropped into a cruiser, kinda forced me out of autopilot, so I had to go back and re-tune everything, but still I can understand the OP's point (I think), with the whole "wedged into a cruiser regardless of profession" point....If that is indeed his point.....
And lighten up guys he said "LOL" in the title........
It doesn't turn a little slow. It has the lowest turn rate of any ship in the game, tied with the atrox and the vo'quv. The fleet version gets a meager .5 deg/sec increase, putting it on the same level as the likes of the tholian carrier. But things like the jem'hadar dread and the odyssey still have a higher base turn rate. Also factor in the ship's power weakness, since it generates 40 less points of energy across the board like all romulan ships. This means it'll have less engine power boosting that turn rate. Also, almost every option to up turn rate is based on percentages of your base modifier. So if you have the lowest turn rate in the game, you will also get the lowest increase from turn rate buffs in the game. The only option that really puts it up to a manageable level is its battle cloak, which gives a flat bonus to its base turn rate modifier, not a percentage. This gives it a lot more turning oomph, but only while cloaked.
People screaming "don't fly it like an escort" should probably keep in mind that even cruisers and their broadside tactics benefit from good handling. If you load this thing up for beam broadsiding, you will still have a very hard time keeping a lot of enemies in the arc overlap. This ship could definitely benefit from turn rate being bumped up to 6 or even 7 if they're feeling generous, without killing game balance. If they want to offset that with something, they can make the cloak not have the big turn rate boost. It is kinda silly from a suspension of disbelief standpoint anyway.
People can sing the praises of the DD all they want, there should be better (romulan)alternatives.
Then tell me how I can get my D'ridthau up to a turn rate of 10.1 with one mk viii rcs console only 6 points in impulse thrusters and 3 points in engine power...while my engine power was averaged out to a whopping 63?
What Romulan Faction needs is escort and science ships (1 of each per tier) for 30 and 40. I have huge problems with lvl40 Escort equiv and its massive size, power slides..but atleast I can gimp my way through to 50 with it but with D'Deridex I'd rather give up on sweet Romulan ships and use C-Store Defiant I baught for my Tac Fed.
I've configured it the same way and it seems reasonably effective. However, it is a serious tub of lard and far less nimble than the canon vessels as seen in the shows.
Seconded. STO pvp is still mechanically beyond unappealing. It seems that both the provider and the wallet warriors are content with the min/max, pay-to-be-competitive and tech-over-tactics madness. Unless my fleet needs a fill in, I won't even touch that mess anymore.
Making someone go from flying ships with good turn rate and tactically based to bad turn rate and more Engineering focused sucks so either get a ally C-Store ship or stick with the tier 3 Mogai.
Its only 10 levels which go by quick enough, not like half your career you are flying a escort then the other half they're forcing you to fly a cruiser.
If you don't like it, don't get it and use it. There is plenty of other ships on the game to pick and choose for your enjoyment.
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Member since early 2011
True your only flying it for a short time but I still don't want to fly it at all after how much I disliked flying a Galaxy in addition I already have C-Store ships unlocked from my ally choice.
I suggest that Vet players just help new players understand the system, and learn to use slower Tank Ships.
"Elitist" comments l2p, get out of game etc etc, are really not required.
I for one am happy to see a influx of players with LoR.
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