The current issues of the age were implemented in his stories like inter racial harmony, nuclear weapons, save the whales etc.
As the shows left his hands and became weekly shows they left the ideas behind and started to tweak the shows for ratings and I can partially understand that as tv shows have ratings but STILL even in those shows there were messages to be understood.
JJ Binks and his lens flare, over the top acting, grandiose gestures has removed any semblance of ST from his movies. There are no messages...only FISTS FLYING PER MINUTE and OVERT SEXUALITY that would make the real Kirk blush.
I promise I'm not being snarky here. This is a genuine question. Have you watched the new film?
I only ask because if this is important to you, then you might be pleasantly surprised by the new one. There are some pretty overt political/moral themes explored in the new one that directly parallel events in the real world. Far more in this movie than what was explored in, say, Star Treks 1, 2, 3, and 5.
4 and 6 were on about equal footing with this new movie as far as cultural allegory, but the other 4 were most definitely less.
Orci and Kurtzman, the scriptwriters, are in fact unabashed Trek fanboys. That's probably why their characterizations of alt!Kirk, alt!Spock, and alt!McCoy rang so true to this aging Trek fanboy.
Abrams, on The Daily Show the other day, confessed that he never got into Star Trek as a kid because he wasn't smart enough for it. After getting the gig for the last movie, he started watching the DVDs, and discovered he likes it.
(I also liked Stewart's reply to Abrams' initial answer: "I have to confess, I stopped listening to you when you said you didn't like Star Trek.")
Hey guys, the message in Into darkness was TERRORISM is bad.
The film is dedicated to those who lost their lives in 911 and similar events
There were also Veterans, at the end of the movie folding up the flag.
I think the message ran much deeper than that. Kirk (and Spock) wrestled with whether or not to kill the bad guy instead of giving him a trial. He struggled with whether or not it was okay to break the fundamental principles of the Federation if the bad guy was really bad.
No matter what your opinion is on those issues, that is a very overt allegory to some current issues in today's world.
Because there are a large portion of 'Star Trek fans' that thrive on hate.
When TNG came out, lots of 'fans' hated it.
They also practice self-delusion like holding TOS up to some ridiculous standard of being more cerebral than it actually is. Human condition this and morality plays that. Sure it has those elements, but in the end it is a super-cheesy science fiction show. Period.
The new films are a sexed-up, faster paced version of TOS. Still cheese, but now spicy nacho cheese.
But the basement-dwelling nitpick crowd need something to hate. THIS AIN'T REAL TREK they cry. I feel sorry for them.
There are many a number of things I could post here. However I shall calmly state WHAT THE DEVIL ARE YOU DO ON THIS SITE AND HAVE A PHOTO SHOPPED SPOCK AVATAR IF YOU THINK STAR TREK IS SO CHEESY?!
No offense. Maybe that wasn't so calm. Star Trek and everything about it is very important to me. I am completely open to the Abramsverse. I study every aspect of what I am interested. Decades ago TOS was one of or THE greatest Sci Fi shows ever. I like to think of it as "Yesterday's vision of tomorrow."
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There are many a number of things I could post here. However I shall calmly state WHAT THE DEVIL ARE YOU DO ON THIS SITE AND HAVE A PHOTO SHOPPED SPOCK AVATAR IF YOU THINK STAR TREK IS SO CHEESY?!
No offense. Maybe that wasn't so calm. Star Trek and everything about it is very important to me. I am completely open to the Abramsverse. I study every aspect of what I am interested. Decades ago TOS was one of or THE greatest Sci Fi shows ever. I like to think of it as "Yesterday's vision of tomorrow."
Am I not allowed to love and appreciate cheese? Goes good with wine. Cheesy=/=bad. Calm down.
You must've completely ignored everything else I said or read none of my previous posts. TOS was my first love, grew up on it. But if you deny the cheese factor, you are fooling yourself. That is part of what makes it great.
So one of the many a number of things you could post should maybe be: "Whoops, sometimes I jump to conclusions."
Am I not allowed to love and appreciate cheese? Goes good with wine. Cheesy=/=bad. Calm down.
You must've completely ignored everything else I said or read none of my previous posts. TOS was my first love, grew up on it. But if you deny the cheese factor, you are fooling yourself. That is part of what makes it great.
So one of the many a number of things you could post should maybe be: "Whoops, sometimes I jump to conclusions."
I apologize. Now I understand. I guess I do jump to conclusions, and I probably should have read the otheer posts you had made on the subject. Sorry Again.
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I apologize. Now I understand. I guess I do jump to conclusions, and I probably should have read the otheer posts you had made on the subject. Sorry Again.
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I think the message ran much deeper than that. Kirk (and Spock) wrestled with whether or not to kill the bad guy instead of giving him a trial. He struggled with whether or not it was okay to break the fundamental principles of the Federation if the bad guy was really bad.
No matter what your opinion is on those issues, that is a very overt allegory to some current issues in today's world.
Yes, there were many deep issues discussed in Into Darkness.
i think ruined is too strong. there are things i dont like about new trek but into darkness was the most badass movie i have seen in a long time. there is nothing wrong with new trek or old. just have to take some of the issues with a grain of salt and enjoy the ride. but saying that if you have ever read star trek books you will see where alot of JJ materials come from especially for into darkness
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Chekov shown as a teeny bopper with a stupid accent
Sulu is the wrong nationality and shown as a complete moron
Scotty treated as comic relief and wrong accent
kirk is brutal sexist JERK with Iq of a cheese sandwich
Spock is muirderous sex maniac who is sexually harrassing a student
Uhura is shown as a TRIBBLE
mc coy is shown as incompetent , negligent and criminal
pike is shown as insane
they kill billions of people for no reason
play fast and loose with canon
mount rapid fire cannons on enterprise
engineering is a pumping station
Chekov WAS a teeny bopper with a "stupid accent"
Sulu's the wrong nationality? What about Khan being white?
Scotty's always been comic relief, and the Scottish accent is actually more accurate from Simon Pegg than from Doohan
No comment
Again, no comment
Oh yes, please tell me how exactly Uhura is a "TRIBBLE", I'd love to hear it
I fail to see how McCoy is represented as incompetent or criminal
Pike is far from insane
It's called an alternate universe, might wanna check that out some time
Into Darkness was a terrible re-hashing and creatively bankrupt film (courtesy of Paramount moreso than Abrams, as they have the authority to override any creative decisions made by the writers), but everything you listed was so far off base I'm not even sure we watched the same two films.
wait wait wait, so the russian guy in TOS, who is now played by Anton Yelchin, a russian actor, is being bagged on for having a russian accent?
oh wait it's just sollvax posting.
Walter Koenig had a bad Russian accent - so bad, it became a popular fan theory that he had a speech impediment.
Anton seems to have run with the "speech impediment" explanation (cf his trouble getting the computer to understand him in the '09 movie).
Oh, and Pinky, sollvax seems convinced that if a woman kisses a man, she's a "TRIBBLE". That may or may not reflect sollvax's own level of experience with kissing...
I promise I'm not being snarky here. This is a genuine question. Have you watched the new film?
I only ask because if this is important to you, then you might be pleasantly surprised by the new one. There are some pretty overt political/moral themes explored in the new one that directly parallel events in the real world. Far more in this movie than what was explored in, say, Star Treks 1, 2, 3, and 5.
4 and 6 were on about equal footing with this new movie as far as cultural allegory, but the other 4 were most definitely less.
I have seen both remakes by Binks and his crew.
I enoyed a few scenes mostly homages to the original movies. The actors were, once again, my biggest issues. The actor who played KHAN may be an actor but Khan was best portrayed by Ricardo M.......A human with great insights, intelligence and prowess...not a deep voices robot who takes punches well.......as many strength as Khan had he had a great weakness and Ricardo M portrayed that well too...overconfidence.......this new actor did squat for the movie IMO.
As to the messages conveyed in the new ST if they would have used drones and the president of the federation was a black man then I could see them being political.........no such message was gleamed from this movie by me.
the little feud between Manura and Splock was OT as well. Their attempt at humor in that scene was tiresome and tedious and failed horribly.
The HOMAGE to to Kirk and his utterance was the worst I have ever seen...and should have been deleted and left to fall onto the editing floor.......
Of the 2 remakes by JJ Binks and his crew this one was , by far, the worst. Imperial uniforms and hats and saluting........Next movie the Admiral will come back as a robot and spout of thankyou for your cooperation
I have seen articles that try to convey terrorism in this movie and rammifications as well as parallels to todays society.,.I am unable to see the parallels myself.What I did gleam is that the producers and JJ Binks beleive that ST and all its forms are slow and boring.....nothing a little fisticuffs, explosions, lens flares, and overacting, or lack thereof cant remedy.
Today we fight the GAULS......monstrous and HAIRY beyond reason.
Korea has the death penalty for drugs (and he is Korean)
and its specifically flirting with and kissing and probably sleeping with an instructor
a cadet no problem
an instructor his career is over and your expelled
as to amsterdam
EU law will soon close down that loop hole
whoa even more moronics from sollvax going on.
i would not claim to know the laws of north, but south korea does not have a death penalty for drug use. it has stringent laws and looks down on those that use it, but they do not put them to death. there are many a case of kpop bands or singers having their careers ended or disbanded due to being publicly found out as drug users, but none of them are ever put to death. ever.
also, since you clearly misuse this. Japanese is not a race, just like how Korean is not a race. they are nationalities. the race would be Asian (though technically asian more refers to the ethnicity).
and its specifically flirting with and kissing and probably sleeping with an instructor
a cadet no problem
an instructor his career is over and your expelled
Keep in mind that Starfleet's regulations are not the same regulations as current naval and student/teacher relations.
Even now though, if both the teacher and the student are above the age of consent in their area, they are allowed to do whatever they want to, for the most part. People might frown on the relationship, but there's nothing they can do to stop it.
I find your usage of the term "TRIBBLE" highly offensive, as well.
all things said, my two big gripes about the new movie was the fact that makeup didn't even do anything to make Cumberbatch resemble Montalban. i mean, i get that the Narada's incrusion caused a sort of butterfly affect that rippled out so widely that it even affected how characters that were in no way assosciated with the event acted, but Khan should in no way be affected. i can buy that thanks to Nero, someone else from starfleet found the botany bay and woke up Khan and had him work for the feds, but his birth, rise, and exile all precede the destruction of the Kelvin. so as far as looks go, that should have remained a constant. my other big gripe is that the Enterprise never fired a single shot.
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because he has !
the quicker he GTFO the better star wars can have him
I promise I'm not being snarky here. This is a genuine question. Have you watched the new film?
I only ask because if this is important to you, then you might be pleasantly surprised by the new one. There are some pretty overt political/moral themes explored in the new one that directly parallel events in the real world. Far more in this movie than what was explored in, say, Star Treks 1, 2, 3, and 5.
4 and 6 were on about equal footing with this new movie as far as cultural allegory, but the other 4 were most definitely less.
Abrams, on The Daily Show the other day, confessed that he never got into Star Trek as a kid because he wasn't smart enough for it. After getting the gig for the last movie, he started watching the DVDs, and discovered he likes it.
(I also liked Stewart's reply to Abrams' initial answer: "I have to confess, I stopped listening to you when you said you didn't like Star Trek.")
The film is dedicated to those who lost their lives in 911 and similar events
There were also Veterans, at the end of the movie folding up the flag.
I think the message ran much deeper than that. Kirk (and Spock) wrestled with whether or not to kill the bad guy instead of giving him a trial. He struggled with whether or not it was okay to break the fundamental principles of the Federation if the bad guy was really bad.
No matter what your opinion is on those issues, that is a very overt allegory to some current issues in today's world.
No offense. Maybe that wasn't so calm. Star Trek and everything about it is very important to me. I am completely open to the Abramsverse. I study every aspect of what I am interested. Decades ago TOS was one of or THE greatest Sci Fi shows ever. I like to think of it as "Yesterday's vision of tomorrow."
"Star Trek: Rubicon" Season 1, Season 2 A new era, a new time, a new crew, a new ship, a new mission...
"I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment because it will never come again."- Jean-Luc Picard
Am I not allowed to love and appreciate cheese? Goes good with wine. Cheesy=/=bad. Calm down.
You must've completely ignored everything else I said or read none of my previous posts. TOS was my first love, grew up on it. But if you deny the cheese factor, you are fooling yourself. That is part of what makes it great.
So one of the many a number of things you could post should maybe be: "Whoops, sometimes I jump to conclusions."
"Star Trek: Rubicon" Season 1, Season 2 A new era, a new time, a new crew, a new ship, a new mission...
"I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment because it will never come again."- Jean-Luc Picard
We all make mistakes, it takes bravery and honor to admit them. It is all good, keep on Trekkin'
A completely respectful exchange.
What is this trickery?
Yep. Totally agree.
That movie is more Trek than STXI.
For 75% of the movie that was absolutely true.
Then there's the other 25% where they sort of ditched that and went back to Khan.
wait wait wait, so the russian guy in TOS, who is now played by Anton Yelchin, a russian actor, is being bagged on for having a russian accent?
oh wait it's just sollvax posting.
Into Darkness was a terrible re-hashing and creatively bankrupt film (courtesy of Paramount moreso than Abrams, as they have the authority to override any creative decisions made by the writers), but everything you listed was so far off base I'm not even sure we watched the same two films.
No, not really. France had been conquered by England by that point, during the wars referenced in Encounter at Farpoint.
Anton seems to have run with the "speech impediment" explanation (cf his trouble getting the computer to understand him in the '09 movie).
Oh, and Pinky, sollvax seems convinced that if a woman kisses a man, she's a "TRIBBLE". That may or may not reflect sollvax's own level of experience with kissing...
I have seen both remakes by Binks and his crew.
I enoyed a few scenes mostly homages to the original movies. The actors were, once again, my biggest issues. The actor who played KHAN may be an actor but Khan was best portrayed by Ricardo M.......A human with great insights, intelligence and prowess...not a deep voices robot who takes punches well.......as many strength as Khan had he had a great weakness and Ricardo M portrayed that well too...overconfidence.......this new actor did squat for the movie IMO.
As to the messages conveyed in the new ST if they would have used drones and the president of the federation was a black man then I could see them being political.........no such message was gleamed from this movie by me.
the little feud between Manura and Splock was OT as well. Their attempt at humor in that scene was tiresome and tedious and failed horribly.
The HOMAGE to to Kirk and his utterance was the worst I have ever seen...and should have been deleted and left to fall onto the editing floor.......
Of the 2 remakes by JJ Binks and his crew this one was , by far, the worst. Imperial uniforms and hats and saluting........Next movie the Admiral will come back as a robot and spout of thankyou for your cooperation
I have seen articles that try to convey terrorism in this movie and rammifications as well as parallels to todays society.,.I am unable to see the parallels myself.What I did gleam is that the producers and JJ Binks beleive that ST and all its forms are slow and boring.....nothing a little fisticuffs, explosions, lens flares, and overacting, or lack thereof cant remedy.
whoa even more moronics from sollvax going on.
i would not claim to know the laws of north, but south korea does not have a death penalty for drug use. it has stringent laws and looks down on those that use it, but they do not put them to death. there are many a case of kpop bands or singers having their careers ended or disbanded due to being publicly found out as drug users, but none of them are ever put to death. ever.
also, since you clearly misuse this. Japanese is not a race, just like how Korean is not a race. they are nationalities. the race would be Asian (though technically asian more refers to the ethnicity).
Keep in mind that Starfleet's regulations are not the same regulations as current naval and student/teacher relations.
Even now though, if both the teacher and the student are above the age of consent in their area, they are allowed to do whatever they want to, for the most part. People might frown on the relationship, but there's nothing they can do to stop it.
I find your usage of the term "TRIBBLE" highly offensive, as well.
Did we watch the same series?
Kirk was the hero archetype, Spock was the straight man, Bones was the wit, Scotty and Chekov were the comic relief...
That's just how it was, man.
Is he a fscking joke throughout every episode and the series? No. Did he ever run around the ship like a chicken with his head cut off? No.
Did you watch Final Frontier????
and something for everyone to think about....
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well, it's hard to run like a chicken with the head cut off if engineering is the size of a broom closet.
Yeah but that's not even close to what he did in nu-Trek, so your argument goes out the window.
I'd like to add that comic relief doesn't mean always on goofball, man. Scotty in TOS was comic relief more often than not.