Windows 8 is basically a faster, more power efficient, leaner version of Windows 7, but with a more functional screen attached to the Start Button.
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You clearly define functional in a different way to me.
Its generally a big improvement, its very noticeably faster, however, some of its issues are disasterous, though, there's good 3rd party software to correct for MS' shortcomings.
Which isn't compatible with a shocking number of games and utility programs, the things 99.9% of PC users use PCs for.
FAIL.
Let me just say that I started out in computers in the late 80s by simply learning how to manipulate DOS to get games to run under it. I took that little bit of hobbyist knowledge and turned it into a professional career.
With the state of hardware today combined with the programs readily available out there on the web, you are about 99.9% incorrect.
There are ways to run even older DOS-only games under ANY version of Windows that you would care to use. You might try "teh Google" sometime and become enlightened into the reality of using personal computers here in the modern age.
The sheer number of people who complain about games and programs that are unusable in win 8 is staggering. It has nothing to do with me, I don't use it.
Perhaps by using complicated methods they may get them to work, but I don't see why an OS that bills itself as user friendly should take that much effort, I'm not talking about DOS programs, I'm talking about recent ones that run just fine on win 7.
Which isn't compatible with a shocking number of games and utility programs, the things 99.9% of PC users use PCs for.
FAIL.
Name the things that do not work in 8 according to you. If it's 99.9% of what people use, you should be able to rattle off 10 to 15 without even trying hard.
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The sheer number of people who complain about games and programs that are unusable in win 8 is staggering. It has nothing to do with me, I don't use it.
Perhaps by using complicated methods they may get them to work, but I don't see why an OS that bills itself as user friendly should take that much effort, I'm not talking about DOS programs, I'm talking about recent ones that run just fine on win 7.
I've found ALL the complainers of 8 are just people who aren't bright enough to know what they are doing. It's not hardware or software issue, the issue lies with what is between the keyboard and the back of the chair.
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STO for one. Mass Effect 3, the new Simcity, Skyrim and so on.
Now keep in mind when I say don't work I mean they'll boot up but have various horrible problems.
Now, could these all be the fault of the user? It's possible. I find it hard to believe but it's possible.
Regardless, I'm sticking to win 7.
The sheer number of people who complain about games and programs that are unusable in win 8 is staggering. It has nothing to do with me, I don't use it.
Perhaps by using complicated methods they may get them to work, but I don't see why an OS that bills itself as user friendly should take that much effort, I'm not talking about DOS programs, I'm talking about recent ones that run just fine on win 7.
Lot more games stopped working after I upgraded from XP to Win7 than from Win7 to Win8. Personally I haven't encountered any that didn't have the same problem with Windows 7.
I've found ALL the complainers of 8 are just people who aren't bright enough to know what they are doing. It's not hardware or software issue, the issue lies with what is between the keyboard and the back of the chair.
In older ancient terms - PEBKAC! Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. :cool:
In older ancient terms - PEBKAC! Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. :cool:
or the old "It's an ID 10 T situation."
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STO for one. Mass Effect 3, the new Simcity, Skyrim and so on.
Now keep in mind when I say don't work I mean they'll boot up but have various horrible problems.
Now, could these all be the fault of the user? It's possible. I find it hard to believe but it's possible.
Regardless, I'm sticking to win 7.
I don't know, I'm using Windows 8 on my old laptop (no touch screen) and it boots faster, loads faster, and just runs better than it did before, and it runs STO just fine.
STO for one. Mass Effect 3, the new Simcity, Skyrim and so on.
Now keep in mind when I say don't work I mean they'll boot up but have various horrible problems.
Now, could these all be the fault of the user? It's possible. I find it hard to believe but it's possible.
Regardless, I'm sticking to win 7.
I run STO and ME3 better in 8 then they did in 7 without even doing any tweaks. SimCity is fouled up for EVERYONE. I have a friend who LOVES Skyrim and runs it on 8 no problem.
NEXT?
Edit: And don't even say Tomb Raider. I just completed it yesterday and I have not even tried running it on anything but 8.
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"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
My only issue with 8 was when I first installed it, the graphics and sound card drivers flat out sucked. But once I upgraded to the drivers the manufacturers had on their site when 8 was released since I got it release day, everything was better.
So all the complainers of 8, are also people who were not bright enough to know: UPDATE YOUR DAMNED DRIVERS!
That should always be done when going to a new OS or installing new hardware. People not smart enough to know that should not even own a computer IMO.
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You need to understand that OS like UBUNTU and its descendants (linux based) outperform windows by an order of magnitude in stability, functionality and system resource use.
Linux is good in its own ways, but performing 10x better is a flat out lie. Also, The only time Windows has ever not been stable for me is when I was doing something I knew had a decent chance of crashing my PC (And yes, you can stress Linux in a similar fashion).
The only reason why Ubuntu system isnt widespread is because it cannot use directx (license issues..and guess who owns the license) and thus cannot run the bulk of games out there unless you use a very crappy emulator that doesnt work in most games.
Ubuntu is not widespread because of several Reasons.
1) Most people buy brand new computers. The cost of an OS is negligible in that case.
2) To truly work Linux, you need to learn the command line. Most people either don't want to devote the time to doing that, or are too dumb to.
3) Few people overall have even heard of Linux.
But for work and almost anything else.. Ubuntu+ blows any windows system out of the water.
I'd much rather use Microsoft Office over Open Office. MSO is just plain better, and OO doesn't support MSO's macros very well (and given that I get work from other people in MSO using macros...).
I'm looking forward to Win 8 only because its alleged to be a $30 cost OS. I've not purchased a windows OS since win95 and don't plan to ever again unless the price is under 50 dollars.. their ****ty OS is not worth more.
Wow, if you loathe Windows so much, I wonder how big you rant against Macs would be.
I have been using windows 8 for awhile now, and it seems to work perfectly fine hardware and software wise, haven't found a program yet that won't run on 8 that did on 7 (and my programs and games were all ported over when I upgraded from 7 to 8)
Plus they added a ton of new features, things like much better dual monitor support, better memory management, way shorter boot time , a much better task manager. The list goes on.
I personally am not a fan of the new start screen, mostly because I have to use XP at work and its hard to go from a start menu to no start menu. That said it took me all of 5 mins (and $5) for a program that adds it back. Since I paid $30 for the OS anyway not nearly $100 like Win 7 the extra $5 is nothing.
Windows 8 looks like the biggest pile of excrement Microsoft have released since Windows ME, whose primary purpose appears to be to turn my PC into some kind of giant mobile phone with "social media" integrated into everything
Total non-issue for me, I'll be sticking with 7.
You have also the totally wrong idea about what windows 8 is and isn't. Compared to windows 7 programs load and shut down faster, the operating system is more stable than windows 7. For a new pc user windows 8 is also more straight forward and easier to learn than a traditional windows environment. Windows 8 also once again supports hardware accelerated sound.
As far as social media integration guess what your one of the few that doesn't care, most people check facebook on there computer, that's what the majority of users are doing these days.
I am an IT tech and I use Windows 8 on my own personal computer, I bought Start8 for a start menu, but classic shell is a free alternative, though honestly I find myself using it very little these days. Anything you use can be pinned on the desktop or on the start screen for easy access. The new sidebar allows easy access to the most commonly used system settings and anyone that has an business tweaking with advanced settings can also get to any of there programs with Windows Key+R which is how we have always done it anyway.
Overall Windows 8 is step forward in performance and stability from windows 7, with improved security and yes integration, which is a big thing, but unless you work in this field you have no idea why.
Just pointing, The last posted dated before pwecangetlost's post, is 2-15-2013.
That makes this thread well over 30 days old and this now a zombie/necro post. (reviving a thread past 30 days is against the forums rules)
Also, this thread was started when Win8 just hit beta
(around august 2012) arguing anything about it at this point is more or less mute.
I'm still using WIN 7 & my 55" TV as my monitor...
Nope haven't grown longer arms. :P
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windows 8 works fine for STO. you just have to run it as an administrator. I had lots of problems with it too after I bought a win8 laptop, but as soon as I edited my quick launch icon properties to run it as an admin everything worked out fine. I am currently running it under win 8.1
I just wish there was more story driven content in the game instead of all this reputation driven TRIBBLE, but that is another story for another thread.
windows 8 works fine for STO. you just have to run it as an administrator. I had lots of problems with it too after I bought a win8 laptop, but as soon as I edited my quick launch icon properties to run it as an admin everything worked out fine. I am currently running it under win 8.1
I just wish there was more story driven content in the game instead of all this reputation driven TRIBBLE, but that is another story for another thread.
Why did you post in a thread that had been dead and buried for a year?
Try Engineering Team, if you can see the stars through your ship, you likely have hull breaches.
But seriously, I hate Windows 8, I downgraded back to Windows 7 for a while until I decided to wipe my computer and re-install.
I have actually found that I hate 8.1 less than Windows 8. There have been some improvements for PC functionality, so if you tried Windows 8 and didn't like it. Try 8.1 instead.
As for the game, I have not seen any graphical issues that were not already there in Windows 7, so as previous posts have suggested, try updating your drivers, changing the settings in game, or upgrading your video card.
Lol, i have a friend that bought a laptop with windows 8 a few months back, and the first thing he said was "what the hell, this is like a massive mobile phone". And he has NO IDEA about computers or anything else. Because that is the first impression windows 8 throws to the face of the customers lol.
At least, they didnt remove completely the classic look of windows, and i think you can remove the "mobile" aspect as well. But i never used windows 8 (and i hope i never will) so im not pretty sure.
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In the OP's sig? That's an Odyssey class ship.
You clearly define functional in a different way to me.
Its generally a big improvement, its very noticeably faster, however, some of its issues are disasterous, though, there's good 3rd party software to correct for MS' shortcomings.
Which isn't compatible with a shocking number of games and utility programs, the things 99.9% of PC users use PCs for.
FAIL.
Let me just say that I started out in computers in the late 80s by simply learning how to manipulate DOS to get games to run under it. I took that little bit of hobbyist knowledge and turned it into a professional career.
With the state of hardware today combined with the programs readily available out there on the web, you are about 99.9% incorrect.
There are ways to run even older DOS-only games under ANY version of Windows that you would care to use. You might try "teh Google" sometime and become enlightened into the reality of using personal computers here in the modern age.
Perhaps by using complicated methods they may get them to work, but I don't see why an OS that bills itself as user friendly should take that much effort, I'm not talking about DOS programs, I'm talking about recent ones that run just fine on win 7.
Name the things that do not work in 8 according to you. If it's 99.9% of what people use, you should be able to rattle off 10 to 15 without even trying hard.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
I've found ALL the complainers of 8 are just people who aren't bright enough to know what they are doing. It's not hardware or software issue, the issue lies with what is between the keyboard and the back of the chair.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
Now keep in mind when I say don't work I mean they'll boot up but have various horrible problems.
Now, could these all be the fault of the user? It's possible. I find it hard to believe but it's possible.
Regardless, I'm sticking to win 7.
Lot more games stopped working after I upgraded from XP to Win7 than from Win7 to Win8. Personally I haven't encountered any that didn't have the same problem with Windows 7.
In older ancient terms - PEBKAC! Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. :cool:
or the old "It's an ID 10 T situation."
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
I don't know, I'm using Windows 8 on my old laptop (no touch screen) and it boots faster, loads faster, and just runs better than it did before, and it runs STO just fine.
I run STO and ME3 better in 8 then they did in 7 without even doing any tweaks. SimCity is fouled up for EVERYONE. I have a friend who LOVES Skyrim and runs it on 8 no problem.
NEXT?
Edit: And don't even say Tomb Raider. I just completed it yesterday and I have not even tried running it on anything but 8.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
My only issue with 8 was when I first installed it, the graphics and sound card drivers flat out sucked. But once I upgraded to the drivers the manufacturers had on their site when 8 was released since I got it release day, everything was better.
So all the complainers of 8, are also people who were not bright enough to know: UPDATE YOUR DAMNED DRIVERS!
That should always be done when going to a new OS or installing new hardware. People not smart enough to know that should not even own a computer IMO.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
1) Most people buy brand new computers. The cost of an OS is negligible in that case.
2) To truly work Linux, you need to learn the command line. Most people either don't want to devote the time to doing that, or are too dumb to.
3) Few people overall have even heard of Linux. I'd much rather use Microsoft Office over Open Office. MSO is just plain better, and OO doesn't support MSO's macros very well (and given that I get work from other people in MSO using macros...). Wow, if you loathe Windows so much, I wonder how big you rant against Macs would be.
perhaps it is a driver issue, or a driver/hardware/system compatibility issue.
Plus they added a ton of new features, things like much better dual monitor support, better memory management, way shorter boot time , a much better task manager. The list goes on.
I personally am not a fan of the new start screen, mostly because I have to use XP at work and its hard to go from a start menu to no start menu. That said it took me all of 5 mins (and $5) for a program that adds it back. Since I paid $30 for the OS anyway not nearly $100 like Win 7 the extra $5 is nothing.
You have also the totally wrong idea about what windows 8 is and isn't. Compared to windows 7 programs load and shut down faster, the operating system is more stable than windows 7. For a new pc user windows 8 is also more straight forward and easier to learn than a traditional windows environment. Windows 8 also once again supports hardware accelerated sound.
As far as social media integration guess what your one of the few that doesn't care, most people check facebook on there computer, that's what the majority of users are doing these days.
I am an IT tech and I use Windows 8 on my own personal computer, I bought Start8 for a start menu, but classic shell is a free alternative, though honestly I find myself using it very little these days. Anything you use can be pinned on the desktop or on the start screen for easy access. The new sidebar allows easy access to the most commonly used system settings and anyone that has an business tweaking with advanced settings can also get to any of there programs with Windows Key+R which is how we have always done it anyway.
Overall Windows 8 is step forward in performance and stability from windows 7, with improved security and yes integration, which is a big thing, but unless you work in this field you have no idea why.
That makes this thread well over 30 days old and this now a zombie/necro post. (reviving a thread past 30 days is against the forums rules)
Also, this thread was started when Win8 just hit beta
(around august 2012) arguing anything about it at this point is more or less mute.
::loads shotgun and points it at zombie thread::
Nope haven't grown longer arms. :P
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I just wish there was more story driven content in the game instead of all this reputation driven TRIBBLE, but that is another story for another thread.
Why did you post in a thread that had been dead and buried for a year?
But this is the old launcher not the arc rubbish so don't know if there are any issues running it on 8.1 with arc.
But seriously, I hate Windows 8, I downgraded back to Windows 7 for a while until I decided to wipe my computer and re-install.
I have actually found that I hate 8.1 less than Windows 8. There have been some improvements for PC functionality, so if you tried Windows 8 and didn't like it. Try 8.1 instead.
As for the game, I have not seen any graphical issues that were not already there in Windows 7, so as previous posts have suggested, try updating your drivers, changing the settings in game, or upgrading your video card.
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At least, they didnt remove completely the classic look of windows, and i think you can remove the "mobile" aspect as well. But i never used windows 8 (and i hope i never will) so im not pretty sure.