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  • darkkindness2darkkindness2 Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    twg042370 wrote: »
    Evil Cardassians are as boring as Evil Romulans. Thirty years of game time have passed since DS9. Bad story would have big Romulan shoulder pads and the Obsidian Order. And the Mirror universe works best in limited doses.

    If anything, there should be a playable Cardasian race instead of a faction.

    I'd be fine with the Cardassians being playable in any form, really, whether it's as an agent of the Detapa council, as an agent of the Obsidian Order, or as a purchasable playable race. Just having them in-game would be enough for me.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    twg042370 wrote: »
    Evil Cardassians are as boring as Evil Romulans. Thirty years of game time have passed since DS9. Bad story would have big Romulan shoulder pads and the Obsidian Order. And the Mirror universe works best in limited doses.

    If anything, there should be a playable Cardasian race instead of a faction.

    I dunno... are pansified Romulans any better? Are a subjugated, broken, beaten from a war people like the Cardassians begging for Federation scraps any better, either?

    You have the goody-two-shoes Federation in STO.

    You have the aggressive, warlike Klingon Empire in STO.

    In less than a month, we're going to have My Little Pony Romulan "Empire" on Holodeck with their Epohhs that they're so worried about (Federation Lite v2.0). Never mind that they can't even control where their people and warships are going off to die in causes not their Empire's own.

    And a peaceful, broken Cardassia living with the same ideals? (Federation Lite v2.5)

    Taking quadrant rivals and making them weak, pansified pushovers?
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  • darkkindness2darkkindness2 Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I dunno... are pansified Romulans any better? Are a subjugated, broken, beaten from a war people like the Cardassians begging for Federation scraps any better, either?

    You have the goody-two-shoes Federation in STO.

    You have the aggressive, warlike Klingon Empire in STO.

    In less than a month, we're going to have My Little Pony Romulan "Empire" on Holodeck with their Epohhs that they're so worried about (Federation Lite v2.0). Never mind that they can't even control where their people and warships are going off to die in causes not their Empire's own.

    And a peaceful, broken Cardassia living with the same ideals? (Federation Lite v2.5)

    Taking quadrant rivals and making them weak, pansified pushovers?

    As opposed, of course, to not advancing the story and timeline past DS9 or TNG. Heck, why don't we remove the option for Klingons to have cranial ridges and return them to a time when they were real warriors and not the pansified so-called "Empire" that signed the Khitomer Accords and is acting in concert with their enemies in Task Force Omega?

    Seriously, pretending that the story doesn't, can't, and won't advance in the 40 years that have elapsed since the events of the series is silly. And pretending that the various races in the quadrant wouldn't be more inclined to work together for mutual protection after the invasion of numerous outside threats (Borg - Delta Quandrant, Dominion - Gamma Quadrant, Undine/8472 - Fluidic Space/Delta Quadrant, Iconians - ????) is equally silly. These are empires that were isolated from the true threats in their world, but have now been shown just how big and dangerous the galaxy is, and are living with the new threats right on their doorstep. Working together is the least offensive direction for the story to take, in my opinion.
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  • wufangchuwufangchu Member Posts: 778 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I'd be fine with the Cardassians being playable in any form, really, whether it's as an agent of the Detapa council, as an agent of the Obsidian Order, or as a purchasable playable race. Just having them in-game would be enough for me.

    I also like that idea.. i dont like the idea of any counter race having to be a part of either the KDF or the federation.. no only is it non canon, it's non realistic.. the Cardassians however only really effected one quadrant and their empire of a thousand worlds was highly exagerated even in the television show.. the Dominion ( AKA the guys from the other side of the hole ) were not always Cardassias friends, and after the war, went back to the hole they climbed out of, litterally.. It was established that ducat was a traitor and once he was killed leaving Damar in charge, things slowly went back to normal and DS9 finished its last season..
    perhaps setting up canon geopolitical boundaries in the game though are too much for a programming team to handle.. :(
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    As opposed, of course, to not advancing the story and timeline past DS9 or TNG. Heck, why don't we remove the option for Klingons to have cranial ridges and return them to a time when they were real warriors and not the pansified so-called "Empire" that signed the Khitomer Accords and is acting in concert with their enemies in Task Force Omega?

    Seriously, pretending that the story doesn't, can't, and won't advance in the 40 years that have elapsed since the events of the series is silly. And pretending that the various races in the quadrant wouldn't be more inclined to work together for mutual protection after the invasion of numerous outside threats (Borg - Delta Quandrant, Dominion - Gamma Quadrant, Undine/8472 - Fluidic Space/Delta Quadrant, Iconians - ????) is equally silly. These are empires that were isolated from the true threats in their world, but have now been shown just how big and dangerous the galaxy is, and are living with the new threats right on their doorstep. Working together is the least offensive direction for the story to take, in my opinion.

    I don't know about you, but the quadrant being populated by pansified peoples the whole area over makes for a DULL backdrop for STO. Which happens to be based 99.9% on armed conflict. Maybe you like seeing a Galaxy map with a pretty rainbow and happy smilies across it suits your bill, but that is NOT Star Trek. Star Trek's history has been filled with a balance of power, strife, bitter rivalries, a "cold war," or outright war. This persisted in TOS. This persisted with TNG. This persisted in DS9. And VOY takes place in TNG/DS9 timeframe. These conflicts of course existed in ENT. They ALL have had their rivalries, conflicts, etc. They ALL had greatly different, rival powers and how they went about doing things.

    But what do you want? You want them all to be the same. The same, pansified ideals for all the factions to be under 1 umbrella of beliefs.

    That, to me, in a Star Trek game is utterly boring and so, so, sooo plain and more unimaginative than a quadrant filled with rival powers, different beliefs, and outlooks.

    STO should not be My Little Pony Online with peaceful rainbows all over.
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  • darkkindness2darkkindness2 Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I don't know about you, but the quadrant being populated by pansified peoples the whole area over makes for a DULL backdrop for STO. Which happens to be based 99.9% on armed conflict. Maybe you like seeing a Galaxy map with a pretty rainbow and happy smilies across it suits your bill, but that is NOT Star Trek. Star Trek's history has been filled with a balance of power, strife, bitter rivalries, a "cold war," or outright war. This persisted in TOS. This persisted with TNG. This persisted in DS9. And VOY takes place in TNG/DS9 timeframe. These conflicts of course existed in ENT. They ALL have had their rivalries, conflicts, etc. They ALL had greatly different, rival powers and how they went about doing things.

    But what do you want? You want them all to be the same. The same, pansified ideals for all the factions to be under 1 umbrella of beliefs.

    That, to me, in a Star Trek game is utterly boring and so, so, sooo plain and more unimaginative than a quadrant filled with rival powers, different beliefs, and outlooks.

    STO should not be My Little Pony Online with peaceful rainbows all over.

    And you seem to have missed my point completely - the borders of the war changed. It's no longer intra-quandrant rivalry with the main empires from the various series, it's inter-quandrant rivalry with the various outside threats that were introduced in TNG, DS9, and VOY.

    This is a group of the survivors of various empires' wars with outside foes banding together for mutual defense against a greater threat. The internal conflicts have been largely set aside to deal with the external threats - the safety and survival of the quandrant are paramount in this game's timeframe, and the internal squabbles can wait until the quadrant isn't dealing with various forces that are more interested in exterminating everyone in it and taking the territory.
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  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    pansy pansies pansified pansy pants

    EVE is over there.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    you're assuming that every cardassian would support what is currently going on between their government and the feds. many don't, which is why the true way exists in the first place. those that side with the KDF would likely be those that support the true way

    lol :D I'd rather have the Cardassians as fully independent or the allying system that the Romulans have than just playable species for Fed.

    But, the part I quoted makes no sense whatsoever - I kinda' blow up around 20 to 30 True Way ships with my KDF captain daily and also the old-school Cardassians and the Klingons hate each other's guts. If any Cardassian could have peaceful relations with the Empire it would be the Detapa Council, not the True Way.
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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I think the best choice for the time being would be for Cardassians to be a C-store race for the Federation. After the Klingons' role in the run-up to the Dominion War (nearly invading Prime, and then Dukat using that as the excuse to yoke Cardassia to the Dominion), not to mention decades of hostility even before that, I cannot see the Cardassians forgiving the Klingons for that. Even at the Dominion War's end, you had Chancellor Martok drinking over the dead bodies of the Cardassian fallen.

    I do have a Cardassian-Alien toon. He'd sooner die than join the Klingons. Serving as an exchange officer in the Federation, however, suits him much better. Which is even how I explain the events of the Fed tutorial for him, and his rapid rise in rank: he already had command rank in the Cardassian military, and as they saw him proved trustworthy, the Feds promoted him until his Fed rank matched his Cardassian one. He commanded that Fed ship after its command staff was lost--and his orders were followed--because unlike the green ensigns the game likes to suggest you are, those on his ship knew that he had the age, rank, and experience from the CDF to give him credibility.

    What I would like is that the C-Store purchase would allow either a) rolling a new Cardassian toon, or b) converting an existing Cardassian-Alien into a Cardassian without losing the work done on him or her. My Cardassian-Alien is my main, and losing all of that work would be absolutely horrible.

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  • jtoney3448jtoney3448 Member Posts: 642 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    You have to remember cardassia prime was nearly exterminated by the dominion and both the Fed/KDF showed up and stopped them. Id think that the cardassians would be more apt to ally with either side after that fact especially since it was cardassia and the dominion that started the war.

    I could easily see a cardassian faction based around the True way, goverment, and obsidian order similar to how the romulans are based around republic/tal'shiar. Cardassia ingame is still rebuilding after the war, so their position could shift from 1 side to the other quite easily.

    All that being said, you guys are getting ahead of yourself. LoR isnt out yet, and it will be well over a year before they would even consider a new faction, we still have a full PVP revamp needed, bugs to kill, etc. While i have no doubt cardassian will be a 4th faction if and when they get to it, it took 3 years to get KDF *finished* and Romulans in.

    Ill be curious how they do the Galor when they get around to it, remember when they said they would only put faction ships in lockboxes that they didnt plan to make a faction out of? Thatll bite em in the TRIBBLE. Honestly id like to see a new Cardassian/Breen alliance so we could get 2 awesome races as a faction.
  • imadoctornotaimadoctornota Member Posts: 469 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    If we're ever going to get a 4th faction (one that is playable) it would likely need to be done this way; fleet foundings could work similarly to how LoR will work (level up to #10, then choose to join FED/KDF).

    This is how Dan said they would implement future factions, if any. Cardassians, being in the shape they're in, could be easily implemented in the same way.
    nassiris wrote: »
    I could see the Dev's bringing in the Cardassian's in when they get everything they want to get done with the Romulan's and Klink's, would be even nice to see the Bajorans as a 5th faction.

    I highly doubt there is a demand for that I'm afraid, and even if there were, they're members of the Federation.

    Quote from the Path to 2409; (STO bible) 2393:
    "On a more positive note, Bajor and Tama Prime are formally admitted to the Federation."

    I'm afraid that means 'no Bajoran faction', but if you wanted to fly their ships, that might be possible some day, although I can't see any of them going beyond Tier 3.
    Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
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  • elora13elora13 Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    gulberat wrote: »
    I think the best choice for the time being would be for Cardassians to be a C-store race for the Federation.

    That would be awesome to say the least.
    gulberat wrote: »
    What I would like is that the C-Store purchase would allow either a) rolling a new Cardassian toon, or b) converting an existing Cardassian-Alien into a Cardassian without losing the work done on him or her. My Cardassian-Alien is my main, and losing all of that work would be absolutely horrible.

    Yeah, they should make it so that after purchasing the unlockable species, when an alien toon has ALL traits matching up the Cardassian species profile, a player could decide to permanently convert it.

    And the same for BOFFs as well...

    The desire to have a toon that states "Cardassian" has so far restrained me from leveling up a Cardassian-looking alien or opening the hundreds of lockboxes which I collected... but if was sure to be able to "convert" it later, I would roll one right away!


    P.S. All hail Gul Berat, creator of an awesome foundry Cardassian adventure. Looking forward to the next episode! :)
  • doctorphotondoctorphoton Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Hi everybody, I have just returned after a 3-year vacation from playing this game, so I am rusty. I see lots of messages of people acquiring Dominion and Cardassian ships, but I have not been able to find any of these ships for sale anywhere. Where can you find them? Sorry but I do not know where else to ask this.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Hi everybody, I have just returned after a 3-year vacation from playing this game, so I am rusty. I see lots of messages of people acquiring Dominion and Cardassian ships, but I have not been able to find any of these ships for sale anywhere. Where can you find them? Sorry but I do not know where else to ask this.
    Those ships were gotten as drops from Lockboxes or from using Lobi to buy them from the Lobi Store in-game.

    Edit: Here's the recent Dev blog talking about the current Lockbox event.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • nveknvek Member Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Hi everybody, I have just returned after a 3-year vacation from playing this game, so I am rusty. I see lots of messages of people acquiring Dominion and Cardassian ships, but I have not been able to find any of these ships for sale anywhere. Where can you find them? Sorry but I do not know where else to ask this.

    You can find some of The Lockbox ships in The Exchange! some are pricey! but I got most of my special ships from The Exchange!:D
  • tsurutafan01tsurutafan01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It's kind of obvious Cardassians are who they plan long term to make the fourth faction. And given the direction Cardassia has taken over the years... can't lie, I'm pretty disappointed by that.

    The good old fashioned evil Dominion would be about 1000 times more interesting, but that's not where they will go.


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  • jake477jake477 Member Posts: 527 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The Cardassians would be okay but.......Romulans i believe are the better of the two in my opinoun.

    The Cardassians look, feel and style reminds me of ancient Egypt while Romulans are more Romans. I like the Cardassian tech better than Romulan tech because lets face it whats more bad TRIBBLE than that pistol? The Galor is meh.......its okay but its virtual dog food for the DD or Galaxy class.

    Cryptic honestly needs to make a dedicated bad guy, the Romulans are getting softer is understandable their planet went boom but PLEASE let us back stab the Federation at least once?

    If i want a Cardie i want them to the ruthless guys i know and love not some once bad guy turned good, that's boring.

    I.e interogation chambers the 4 lights the whole thing lock stock and barrel. The cardies tech is very similar to Federation so what if that might was unleashed on the galaxy, let us be evil once in a blue moon.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Pretty sure CBS said no to a Cardassian faction. Though it might have been sarcasm, since I think it purposely typo'd it as Cardashian. It was awhile back. Can't even find the thread anymore.
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  • liquidinkliquidink Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The Cardassians would be great to play as. The story could revolve around the CDF trying to flush out the True Way Alliance, but that would be a little to similar to the Romulan story. For other possible ideas for the CDFs story, consider their location on this map

    http://www.chartgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/star-trek-map.jpeg

    The Cardassian story would be perfectly able to involve Breen, Talarians and Tzenkethi somehow. Perhaps the Cardassians could start out trying to flush out the True Way, then later getting involved in the affairs of their dubious neighbours.

    The Fed-Kling War would probably be dealt with in the same manner as the Romulans, the Cardassians taking a side. However this would conflict with the story of the Cardassians' status as a protectorate of the Federation and their hatred of the Klingons. Perhaps thery would be automatically Federation-aligned, but that would mean that they would need a 5th faction to be automatically Klingon-aligned.

    Personally I feel that the choice between Starfleet and the KDF like the Romulans have would be the most balanced choice, but it would require a canon explanation for why the Cardassians are willing and able to side with the Klingons.

    My only real concern with a playable Cardassian faction is the lack of species to play as. The Federation as fifteen species + alien generator and the Empire has seven species + Alien generator. This is also my problem with the Romulans; two species and an alien generator exclusive to gold members. The Cardassians would only have the Cardassian species, and an alien generator that they most likely with have exclusive to gold members as well. Perhaps to beef the CDF up they could add Bajorans and Talarians as playble races, even if only on the C-Store? Also Joined Trill. If they're part of the Klingon Empire, why not the Romulan Republic and Cardassian Union?

    After the Cardassian Union, I think they're finished with full 50-level factions. After that they could add mini-factions that could be bought on the C-Store and have less levels and content. Similar to the Klingon Empire starting at level twenty, but more drastic. With that, they could add:
    • The (Propa) Romulan Star Empire
    • Borg
    • Undine
    • Breen
    • Fek'Ihri?
    • Devidians?
    • The Dominion
    • Tholians
    • Ferengi
    • Hirogen
    • True Way
    • Terrans
  • imadoctornotaimadoctornota Member Posts: 469 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    liquidink wrote: »
    After the Cardassian Union, I think they're finished with full 50-level factions.

    Dan said if they were to add more factions they would do it the same way, one big release with a full 1-50 level progression.
    Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
    9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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  • liquidinkliquidink Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Dan said if they were to add more factions they would do it the same way, one big release with a full 1-50 level progression.

    Even better!
  • messahlamessahla Member Posts: 1,160 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I was thinking about what if the cardis were a faction who would lead them and the answer was Gul Damar.

    He is the one who lead the forces that overthrew the cardassion union and drove the dominon off of cardassia so he would be the most logical choice.

    though would be cool to have an FE with both gul dukat and sisko in it :)
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Pretty sure CBS said no to a Cardassian faction. Though it might have been sarcasm, since I think it purposely typo'd it as Cardashian. It was awhile back. Can't even find the thread anymore.

    I bet they just vetoed a webshow titled "keeping up with the Cardassians":P
  • liquidinkliquidink Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    I bet they just vetoed a webshow titled "keeping up with the Cardassians":P

    That is so what they should call the Cardassian expansion.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    liquidink wrote: »
    That is so what they should call the Cardassian expansion.

    I can already picture a debate whether or not there should be special makeup for the women...with each individual segment of their neckbones given their own unique colour. *shudders*

    :P
  • imadoctornotaimadoctornota Member Posts: 469 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    messahla wrote: »
    I was thinking about what if the cardis were a faction who would lead them and the answer was Gul Damar.

    He is the one who lead the forces that overthrew the cardassion union and drove the dominon off of cardassia so he would be the most logical choice.

    though would be cool to have an FE with both gul dukat and sisko in it :)

    I would say yes, but since Damar died while driving Dominion forces from Cardassia, that makes it...less logical ;)

    So, since there's no Damar, the obvious choice is my absolute favorite Trek character; a Mr. Garak! :D
    liquidink wrote: »
    That is so what they should call the Cardassian expansion.

    Either that or "March under the Fish's Gills" lol!
    Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
    9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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  • tilviustilvius Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    A Dominion faction would be perfect if they "expand" the game more. Current, on 2 factions, Klingon and Feds. You can call Romulan a faction but in the end, you are still aligned to the two major factions. Bring in a third faction with whole
  • miirikmiirik Member Posts: 483 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I just got started with this game a few days ago. I'm having some bug problems at the moment (can't even get loaded now, seems to be getting worse!) but thats another story for another time.

    I frankly hate the Romulans, it's like their entire society is based on scheming. I think the only non-scheming romulan I remember was the defecting general that even got schemed by his own people. To me they pretty much are bad guys, never trust one, EVER. At least a klingon, despite how much of jerks they can be, they keep their word with their code of honor.

    Cardassians grew on me much more, especially with those nifty military uniforms. While Romulans are sneaky espionage folks, Cards are much more like militant jerks. Not to say they are like Klingons. I see Cards with very strict rules, a very safe society with low crime but maybe lots of red tape. They treat their military like an actual military, they are calculating in their movements.

    edit: and yes, I could live with them just being a purchasable race for the Fed. Though I'd like to see them as something of a mini faction, seeing cardassians in federation ships just look right in my head.

    Maybe something like a Cardassian pack? Unlock Cardassians with some sort of ship to go with them, along with adding a couple ships into the pot to buy/unlock. The Hideki class is pretty neat.
  • elccaelcca Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I just joined as well, really looking forward to seeing a Cardassian faction at some point. I wouldn't mind paying for some cash if they didn't have a full expansion...but I feel like they've got a lot of potential should they go for it. Something with plenty of espionage and bickering.

    As it is, I'm slowly making my crew into cardassians by buying those alien bridge officers and modifying them, ehe.
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