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After playing the new romulan/Klingon tutorial....
stormdrag0n
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The federation Tutorial is just horrid, yes you can see where they tried to update some of it, but lack of voice overs, the NPC's having no talking animations...those horrid oversized assets and environments...you just see what it could be now. Also the Federation progression path hasn't changed and it can be downright convoluted, to new players while the Romulan Tutorial gives you a clear path in what to do next
Don't get me wrong the Klingon players totally deserve the new tutorial, and the Romulan path is awesome...but I would like to see all factions have an amazing starting experience.
Don't get me wrong the Klingon players totally deserve the new tutorial, and the Romulan path is awesome...but I would like to see all factions have an amazing starting experience.
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Those first experiences are important to new players. In it's current state, the Fed faction won't hold any new player's interests.
Yep I agree I know they want to make the most of the Nimoy VO, but I think that is holding them back.
I agree completely. I missed the window to re-copy my chars back over to Tribble so I had to roll up a new Federation char just to take a look at the new warp nacelle art. I did this after messing around with the Romulan and Klingon tutorials and was thinking just how dated it really was.
I was especially impressed with the Klingon intro.
I support this. Wholeheartedly.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
I don't think you can edit them up to the standards of the new stuff, you'd have to completely redo them.
No I agree they are old, which is really why they need to bite the bullet and redo them, in a lot of ways the Expansion is a relaunch, it shows just how hard they have worked over the past three years and where they are going, sprucing up something that bad is kinda like putting a nice hood ornament on 76 Gremlin.
In the market on Virinat, there's an NPC called 'Lore Master' who talks about the history of the colony. At some point in the conversation, she'll ask you about your own past; it's not assumed you've always been on Virinat.
I would rather prefer if the time and resources it would take to remaster are spend on new content.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
I think they can still use the Borg, just in a different fashion, I remember reading somewhere, where the initial plans for the Tutorial had elements of First contact where you started off as a member of an away team that inadvertently wakes a dormant borg cell on a planet, they begin assimilating your ship....and things progress from there.
I think that would be a interesting way to start things out and wouldn't interfere with the current Fed story line.
Or even the Klingons or the Tal Shiar for that matter.
The Romulan interiors are amazing. Engineering and the Singularity Core were especially impressive.
I wish they'd at least offer Federation interiors that match the Odyssey Bridge style, with Small/Medium/Large variants, and Escort/Science/Cruiser bridge options. All of the Federation interiors feel needlessly cavernous nowadays, compared to interiors like the Romulans'.
I played through the Federation tutorial on Tribble after doing the Romulan tutorial, and it's petty much exactly as I remember it. The only real difference is the bridge you see -- instead of the basic Miranda style they had before, I think they use one of their "sovereign" styles now. It's different, but it's not actually new, since they've already had that bridge since the game came out.
I'm really surprised the Federation tutorial doesn't involve the Klingons, since the Klingon front is the first place you go after completing that.
The tutorial should be a response to an Orion slave raid on a Federation colony or something.
The Rom version does it better but is rather lacking in some areas. Did it ever mention that I had to press "L" and check mission to see what sector my objective is in, or did I miss it? And I like the part where it showed me how to get to the ships bridge. Didn't really say any reason why you should go there, except to complete that mission. And then there was the part that you cant get off the bridge the same way it showed me how to get in it. Almost embarrased, but I ran around on that bridge for a good 3 minutes before I could get of it.
Missing a proper tutorial for training bridge officers with different abilities is lacking as well.
The Duty officers on Rom side was just reading, so didn't check on it that well. But dont think it mentioned that I can buy they stuff needed to do it.
Can't say I enjoyed the time line mission where you saved the enterprise. Not really used to pressing 15 cooldowns at once, not having a clue what they do, or time to read it because I have 15 ships attacking me.
I doubt if they changed the Tutorial for the FEDs they get rid of the Borg.
I think, in this instance, the Borg are used because they are the most terrifying (and probably most well known) true villains of Star Trek:TNG, and indeed Voyager too. As such, starting with Klingons to someone who doesn't know feds and klinks are at war would be confusing but the Borg will always be the "bad guy".
SPOILERS******
Also, isn't one of the end-game missions a time-travel story leading back to the tutorial from another perspective and explaining why these tutorial Borg are such pushovers?
Whilst I agree, and have said so in other threads, that the Fed tutorial needs an update I would say the story is 95% there. Just make me care about my first BOFF, give her a back-story so I don't immediately treat her like a console and swap her out at the first opportunity.
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want to know why the rommie tutorial is better quality? because there is a storyline behind your BoFFs and behind your reason. as a fed there is none of it at the start and you are immediately thrust into the combat situation with your first subordinate you dont know anything about.
i mean even Veril and Satra have a storyline like Khev no matter how minor, heck, they even have a dedicated part to play in a recruitment role before they join again even if its minor.
like mass effect or swtor or freelancer or whatever other game that has these friends with a background, to me its more engaging... at least until the romulan storyline is completed then it looses its appeal due to grinding out the same FE's...
there should be more romulan missions all the way to level 50 and the FE's and such should be left on the side if anyone wants to do them. the same should be done for KDF and especially the feds. give the players something to focus on.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
that would be khitomer accord, travel to quadra sigma and stop the borg from defeating starfleet at Vega colony, you destroy both transwarp gates, your team travels to the past over the planet, defeat borg mobs in orbit then dealing with a situation on the planets surface by taking out donatra's minion and her borg enclave directly under vega colony, when you dealt with it you come out to the surface and the starfleet commander of that colony you encounter when you first beam down during the tutorial knows about you and your future but keeps it quiet, however your future self meets him before your past self does and beams down equipment to deal with the borg stragglers.
in space you defeat a pile of probes then warp after donatra herself, you come out attack donatra near your way out, you go up against her in three waves, you attack until 75% of her hp then you encounter a few mobs, her hp resets until it hits 50% with more mobs, her hp resets again until its down to 25% hp, defeat another mob and then your free to destroy her and her ship. at this point you would of not only saved the colony, but had it setup for your past self to save the colony but dodging large chunks of formers cubes, badly damaged probes and cubes as well as the remaining spheres in the area.
its a shame that wont be coming back, the f2p'ers should be taught a lesson in teamwork, that a an all dps team is a failboat waiting to happen the same with all engineering and all science. that each tac or engineering has to occordinate and depend on each other to survive.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Feds have also kept Cryptic financially solvent, it wasn't done out of the goodness of their hearts.
Now they're hoping the KDF and new player Roms will be willing to throw money into STO as well.... do you have your cash rolls ready to throw at them yet
I agree with previous posters that a tutorial involving Klingons would be more consistent with the later storyline. Also taking over command of a vessel as a cadet would be more comprehensible in a state of emergency.
In one way or the other the Tutorial should be reworked. There's only one chance to make a first impression.