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    mattimeo97mattimeo97 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    If OP had some friends, they might already have an upgraded Starbase, and a support network to help them through the emotionally devastating full refund they received.
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    doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    You know, if the OP could actually hear himself think over the sound of his own whining, he might have realized he could just KEEP the free XIs until he got access to the Fleet versions, then gotten THOSE with his refund...
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    thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,984 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Actually I just mounted my Orange Fleet Phasers and continue to have at it.

    I can hear myself think, It's a higher life form trait, and what is perceived as whining from those less evolved and thus unable to understand is actually intelligent unbiased (non fanboy) observations.

    So now Romulans can't use T5 Fed of Klingon ships? Awesome, Thank You Sir can I have another LOL.

    Actually this makes sense and I approve of this move. I just figured the juxtaposition of the progressing Romulan nerfs may jar some out of their "I have a sandwich so he can't be starving" forum mindsets.

    Feel free to continue to hurl abuse if you can't understand however, It is a primate trait to hurl **** at what they can't understand.

    People in Law Enforcement have few "friends" as such. My Fleet is occupied by a few relatives that have RL families that preclude them from playing video games. I maintain their ships and level their Toons when I can so they benefit from the fun and not the "work" part of this MMO.
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    doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I can hear myself think, It's a higher life form trait, and what is perceived as whining from those less evolved and thus unable to understand is actually intelligent unbiased (non fanboy) observations.
    Hah. Me? Fanboy. You jest, sir.

    The fact of the matter is that you were given 3 choices:
    1. Accept the corrected stats and keep the phasers anyway.
    2. Return the item for a full refund.
    3. Keep using the item until you obtain a replacement, then return them for a full refund anyway.

    Now, I fail to see how this is unfair to you in anyway.
    So now Romulans can't use T5 Fed of Klingon ships? Awesome, Thank You Sir can I have another LOL.
    This is what people asked for. I, for one, support this move: It preserves factional identity on both sides, rather than completely destroying the point of playing the original factions when Romulans can get it all, and still allows the choice in which C-Store toys you want in a reasonable and canonically supported manner: Through the sale of obsolete TRIBBLE ships.

    You cannot very well blame Cryptic for giving the people what they shouted about.
    Actually this makes sense and I approve of this move. I just figured the juxtaposition of the progressing Romulan nerfs may jar some out of their "I have a sandwich so he can't be starving" forum mindsets.
    The Romulans aren't even DONE yet. Any change for any reason cannot therefore be considered a nerf, as there is no baseline from which to nerf.
    People in Law Enforcement have few "friends" as such.
    I do not think it is your career that precludes your having friends as it is your horrible attitude.
    My Fleet is occupied by a few relatives that have RL families that preclude them from playing video games. I maintain their ships and level their Toons when I can so they benefit from the fun and not the "work" part of this MMO.
    This particular statement gives further reason to question your judgement, since, while rarely ever enforced, such behavior is technically considered to be against the TOS, and as such, it is not really wise to admit this in a public venue where it can be indelibly quoted like this...

    Does your experience in Law Enforcement tell you that it is a good idea to admit to committing crimes in public?
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    maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013

    Getting a cough drop in exchange for a Ferrari is not an adiquate refund, no contradictions there.

    .

    Of course a cough drop wouldn't a proper refund, unless you paid for the car with a cough drop.

    That's what's called a "full refund" you got back all the money you sank into it.
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    theodrimtheodrim Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Wont shut up about socialism; blabs about getting litigious and whines for government regulation and protection against unfair business practices.

    You could probably wrap Upton Sinclair's grave in copper wire right now and power the entire Eastern seaboard indefinitely.
    Somebody getting uppity about canon? No problem! Just take a deep breath, and repeat after me:

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    dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,655 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Hah. Me? Fanboy. You jest, sir.

    The fact of the matter is that you were given 3 choices:
    1. Accept the corrected stats and keep the phasers anyway.
    2. Return the item for a full refund.
    3. Keep using the item until you obtain a replacement, then return them for a full refund anyway.

    Now, I fail to see how this is unfair to you in anyway.

    This is what people asked for. I, for one, support this move: It preserves factional identity on both sides, rather than completely destroying the point of playing the original factions when Romulans can get it all, and still allows the choice in which C-Store toys you want in a reasonable and canonically supported manner: Through the sale of obsolete TRIBBLE ships.

    You cannot very well blame Cryptic for giving the people what they shouted about.

    The Romulans aren't even DONE yet. Any change for any reason cannot therefore be considered a nerf, as there is no baseline from which to nerf.

    I do not think it is your career that precludes your having friends as it is your horrible attitude.

    This particular statement gives further reason to question your judgement, since, while rarely ever enforced, such behavior is technically considered to be against the TOS, and as such, it is not really wise to admit this in a public venue where it can be indelibly quoted like this...

    Does your experience in Law Enforcement tell you that it is a good idea to admit to committing crimes in public?

    I'd agree with the Romulan ship part of your post, if I could use something other than a DREADNOUGHT at T5. :mad:

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    majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Actually I just mounted my Orange Fleet Phasers and continue to have at it.

    I can hear myself think, It's a higher life form trait, and what is perceived as whining from those less evolved and thus unable to understand is actually intelligent unbiased (non fanboy) observations.

    So now Romulans can't use T5 Fed of Klingon ships? Awesome, Thank You Sir can I have another LOL.

    Actually this makes sense and I approve of this move. I just figured the juxtaposition of the progressing Romulan nerfs may jar some out of their "I have a sandwich so he can't be starving" forum mindsets.

    Feel free to continue to hurl abuse if you can't understand however, It is a primate trait to hurl **** at what they can't understand.

    People in Law Enforcement have few "friends" as such. My Fleet is occupied by a few relatives that have RL families that preclude them from playing video games. I maintain their ships and level their Toons when I can so they benefit from the fun and not the "work" part of this MMO.
    You know someone has lost an argument when they throw either the racial supremacy or personal attack card.

    Cryptic made an error with the andorian weapons. They corrected the issue and gave everyone the option for a full refund on the gear if you didn't like the change. In the long run, the change was very minor. You can hardly even notice the difference in performance. And we all knew the change was going to happen. Anyone who did the basic math could see that they had more base damage than intended.

    It's a video game that you can play for free. None of your comparisons to cars hold any weight because cars and video games are nothing alike. Video games are in constant development, they are subject to change. There is a very very clear statement about that in the terms of service you accepted when you started playing this game. Cars are not under constant development. You don't see car companies showing up at your door to make changes to your vehicle.

    As for your remark about having few friends. Have you ever stopped to think that it may have something to do with the way you act? Look at yourself in this thread. You are acting like you are racially superior to everyone that has a counter argument to what you say. Most people don't put up with that, you aren't any better or any worse than anyone here.
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    empireofsteveempireofsteve Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    OK.

    "MMO's are the equal sharing of misery." _ Thlaylie

    I bet those ships will also be rank locked so even if you bought your fav Romulan ships now you will have to wait until you reach end rank on your Romulan Toon.

    Starbase projects should have ALL the info pertaining to their costs and times listed up front in their descriptions.

    Finally nothing should ever be nerfed. Do the work and fix everything else to make it balanced. Punishment should be delt to the one that made the mistake, not everyone else.

    My MMO Over-site Committee idea has any company that wishes to market an MMO in the US putting the game ownership up as collateral. Failure to pay fines levied against the game in a reasonable time would forfeit the game ownership to the MMO Over-site Committee. Then they could fix it and run it correctly with no further violations.

    I actually like this idea. My big questions is who would receive the fines and what would that money go to?
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    wolfpack12cwolfpack12c Member Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Ha ha ha ha tho is so funny I have to post the issues I see with it.

    1) it was a text change only.
    2) they gave a full refund.
    3) the fleet weapons are cheaper and better
    4) your in a fleet by your self. And complaining that projects take to long
    5) your acting like a child, I I was a dev I would put you on my ignore list
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    innuwarriorinnuwarrior Member Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I bought a set originally, wasn't happy with change, returned them for full refund, now have andorian fleet ones. Happy, happy, happy.

    So what f... are you complaining about. They give FULL REFUND on them whats the problem except being a .... complainer.
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    hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Ok, so OP, you're conflating two issues:

    1. Made a purchase (Andorian phaser), it did not meet your specifications, and you were given a FULL REFUND of the purchase price, and the item that does meet your specifications costs more than the price of the original purchase.
    2. Made a purchase (headlight assembly), it did not meet your specifications, a refund was refused, and you took legal recourse. A replacement meeting your specifications will still cost more than the original price.

    One of these things is not like the other. See if you can spot the subtle difference. Hint: one of these two situations, the merchant offered you a full refund which you accepted.

    A refund on a returned item does not need to cover the cost of replacement, unless the original purchase caused damage above and beyond its purchase price. That could have been the case with your knockoff headlights because improper wiring could have caused damage to the car's wiring or batteries, and you'd be entitled to the damage sustained. You'll have a hard time quantifying additional damage here, though, your only damage is replacement cost exceeding original purchase cost, which is your responsibility to cover.

    1) it was a text change only.

    It was more than a text change, the weapons originally did have the stats of a mk XII in the package of an mk XI. The stats were corrected and preexisting weapons were given a full refund trade in option.
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    tangolighttangolight Member Posts: 777 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    People in Law Enforcement have few "friends" as such. My Fleet is occupied by a few relatives that have RL families that preclude them from playing video games. I maintain their ships and level their Toons when I can so they benefit from the fun and not the "work" part of this MMO.

    Please note, person in law enforcement, that accessing the accounts of others besides your own is against the TOS, and can result both your account and those being accessed banned if they were found to be doing so willingly.

    From the Terms of Service, section 4:
    By creating an Account or otherwise using the Service, you represent that you are at least age 18 and agree to these Terms, or that you are over 13 years of age and your parents or legal guardian have read and agreed to these Terms, and you understand and agree that we are relying upon that representation in allowing you to use the Service. Only one person may use an Account.

    If you want to help them do less work, you can purchase XP boosts and trade it to them along with Energy Credits and gear, but levelling their toons is prohibited, as it is in just about every single other MMO out there.
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    kamipoikamipoi Member Posts: 365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqyixwqiCag

    he is complaining about cryptic balancing something and instead of doing their usual and not giving refunds they gave one?

    dude just feel lucky you got a refund a lot of people did not get a refund when our stuff got nerfed we just got told to deal with it.

    course at this rate you will be lucky to not be banned as Brandon does float around looking to ruin peoples day with the ban hammer.
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    f9thaceshighf9thaceshigh Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    to borrow the OP's signature sandwich analogy, Let's say you go to a sandwich shop, and order a panini with prosciutto, they run out of prosciutto and sell you a ham sandwich instead, so you ask for a refund. You can't come back to the deli the next day and demand prosciutto because you had to spend the refund money on gas, or complain that the refund they gave you for the ham wasn't enough for the prosciutto It just doesn't work that way.
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    zigadeiczigadeic Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I can hear myself think, It's a higher life form trait, and what is perceived as whining from those less evolved and thus unable to understand is actually intelligent unbiased (non fanboy) observations.

    Really was starting to feel bad for this guy till he droped this gem out there higher life form thats a laugh might as well call himself Hitler, Stalin or KAAAAAHHHHNNN. Go Shove yourself into your airlock you pretentious worm.

    if i get banned for saying these things

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    ussprometheus79ussprometheus79 Member Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Well he's going the right way to make friends acting like he is...the me me me attitude...sheesh.
    If you've come to the forums to complain about the AFK system, it's known to be bugged at the moment.
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    misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Erm - stupid question, but how does one claim said refund?

    There are very few stupid questions in life.
    There are far more stupid answers.
    Let's just hope I don't give such a stupid answer.
    (I don't own Androain ships so I never had any need to test it)
    As I recall reading these fellows

    http://www.stowiki.org/Ferengi_Collector

    have been set up to also take your Andorian Phasers for a full refund of Dilitium.
    But you'd better check it out for yourself.
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    tpalelenatpalelena Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    A full refund is propably more fair then you would get in real life .


    So you are complaining about the fact that your fleet is bad. That is , your own fault sir. You should join a big fleet if you want it to progress easily.
    Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
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    misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Thanks for taking the time to reply, and answer my question - much appreciated! :)

    My pleasure.:)
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    dma1986dma1986 Member Posts: 541 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    2/10

    Could've been a much better troll thread, but it's not... so only a 2.

    Actually, on second thought I'll give it a 3/10, the extra point's for the "I have a mate that's a lawyer" bit.
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    perfectself82perfectself82 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Gas thread.

    Ban OP.
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    silverashes1silverashes1 Member Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    there are 3 issues here

    1. they fixed the weapons and gave a refund(unfourtionate but it happens in games your lucky to get a refund)
    2.your 'Fleet" sucks at funding the starbase(entirely your fault not relevant to "issue")
    3. your a entitled a**(read above statement about starbase)

    many people have had purchases "nerfed" as you say(gal-x for example) and got nothing quit complaining and ether move on or stop playing

    your choice
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    trimenranger1trimenranger1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    To the OP.

    As stated before this game is in constant development. Things can and will change and not always to your liking. Unlike previous changes Cryptic gave a full refund. Cryptic did what was right in this instance.

    On your fleet situaiton. I do not agree with other have said. The size and level of the fleet does not make it any less special. Having a small gathering of RL friends and family in a T1 Starbase fleet is far great then a T5 mega fleet where no one gives a %$#^ about each other. On that front stay the course if you so choose.

    There are rental fleets out there that will allow players access to their stores for a price. Instead of agonizing over obtaining those Fleet Andorian weapons because the time sinks and resources needed at too great at the moment, purchase temporary access to buy them. This way you have the best of both worlds. Great weaponry while progessing your family starbase at a comfortable pace.

    On a side note there are fleets with a family like atmosphere that you and your relatives would be welcome in. I understand the fleet name tag holds a great honor for your kin but joining mature strangers who have the same motivations and goals as your family can be a good experience. This goes to not only the OP but anyone else reading this tread.
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    officelifeofficelife Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    You people are being trolled, big time...

    Let's look at the facts.

    1. Claims the company is communistic because they offered a refund. Communism doesn't work that way!

    2. Claims fleet projects are socialism. Socialism would entitle his one man fleet to be equal to big fleets.

    3. Claims superiority; the ultimate hint that he's trolling.

    4. He provides an outlandish real world example that is filled with obvious exaggerations

    5. Only replies to combative threads and engages in combative behavior.

    Ok, well he is either trolling you or moonlights as a AM talk radio host...
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    sfccrashsfccrash Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    OK.

    Starbase projects should have ALL the info pertaining to their costs and times listed up front in their descriptions.

    You really need to learn how to work the interface better. The project does tell you if you mouse over the required components before clicking start project.
    Former L2 player. Hope this one is better with botters, got sick of one person running a full 9 man group.

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    tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    well you should have waited. i turned in my prototype phasers, which i had like 3 of, and since had a fleet that already had those unlocked, got enough dil back to cover a whole set and still had like 10k dil left.
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    theodrimtheodrim Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    officelife wrote: »
    You people are being trolled, big time...

    ...Ok, well he is either trolling you or moonlights as a AM talk radio host...

    Poe's law, man. Poe's law.
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    horridpersonhorridperson Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    All Quotes Originally Posted by thlaylierah
    I own a Dodge truck and after making some venison goulash of one of the dumber bucks in the area I had a headlight replaced at the dealership because I was still under warranty.
    YOU hit a deer and gnarled up your ride. Where was your head stuck that you were unaware of it's presence? Blame the dead deer for your lousy driving. Classy. The way you tell the story someone of limited intellect might mistake you for some kind of hero.
    Little did I know they were secretly thieves replacing OEM parts with cheap knockoffs. Mechanics being one of my hobbies, I caught them at it. They gave me a new headlight assembly which I found was a mislabeled Durango headlight assembly. When I went to return it they refused to give me the correct parts. I casually mentioned to a lawyer friend on one of my beats what they had done.
    You seem overly conscious of branding (Dodge, Durango, Some imaginary Andorian Phaser thingy). I doubt you know much about mechanics beyond knowing it wasn't the high end status symbol you needed to fill your empty place. They tried to dupe you? Why? Could be the incoherent manner suffused with know-it-all that begs for a good fleecing? Then you sulked and did some chest thumping about a lawyer friend. I see a pattern here screaming entitlement that most people only reach on the internet. You're already living the dream why bother posting this here?
    I now not only have racing headlights, but a waver from the city to have said headlights and that dealership? Well there's an empty lot there now.
    Again bragging about exceptions and special privileges that show what a special person you are (that remark about your whining being intellectual was priceless and people not understanding your rambling being dumber than you are; comic gold.). You probably get a lot of "wavers" from people who know you; probably the one fingered kind. Bad things happen when you don't get your way. Ominous. Someone might drown in your tears.

    Cool story bro. Have fun racing your dodge. Hopefully your new fangled racing headlights will help you see those stupid deer.
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    lsloan31lsloan31 Member Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Oh, I love these threads. Another pretentious player moaning about a nerf, which most people have admittedly said doesn't feel like its had any effect to them.

    Think of your STO life this way: if you can manage to get a fleet up to Tier 2 solo, you can sure as hell afford to join another fleet for 10 minutes and buy the weapons there if you really must have them now since you're so put out despite a refund. Hell I'd even let you join the fleet I'm in to buy them for no charge since its only T2 gear. You're not only trying to convince folks here you're out of pocket somehow, you're arguing against fundamental game mechanics you don't seem to understand because you choose to run a solo banking fleet. I'm guessing your ideal solution here would be for branflakes and the rest of the devs to get down on their knees, apologise, give you 10 million dilithium and a completed T5 fleet just for the giggles but I have this weird feeling in my stomach that won't happen. Since you'll have completed your project by now you more than likely won't care and have paid out for the gear but hopefully this thread and the responses you've had will remind you in future to stop moaning about the small things - after all, you got your refund and you're not out of pocket over 100k dilithium.

    Tl:dr - another generic comment about how your moaning in unjustified, you should grow up and enjoy the game based on how you've chose to play it.
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