About That Kumari Phaser Refund

thlaylierah

I was soundly shot down by the Cryptic Defender's Klub when I posted that I didn't think it was fair to nerf my Andorian Phasers and only offer me a refund in Dil.

Now I have a few more facts I wish to share.

I received 126,000 Dil back from all the Phasers I bought.

I had a level I Starbase.

To raise the base to level II to get my replacement weapons cost me 15,000 XP at 18,000 Dil per 500 XP.

That was way over the refund, but now here is the real sinker.

Warning, this next image is not for the faint of heart and may put people off Starbases completely:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k176/Thlaylie/Star%20Trek%20Online/Newest/fabricatorII_zps50e79698.jpg

Did that cost enough resources!?

If you are still batting for the home team after that one, try this one to add to injury:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k176/Thlaylie/Star%20Trek%20Online/Newest/3days_zpscf581681.jpg

4 Days!?

Next time nerf the Dev, not my phasers.

cptjhunter

AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!:eek:(Runs from thread in horror)

marc8219

You are being completley unreasonable OP. The phasers were bugged, had their stats fixed, and a full refund offered. If you choose to take that refund, its like you never bought them in the first place, you got all of your dil back. It's not Cryptic's fault that you want fleet weapons but choose to stay in your own personal fleet and take forever to upgrade it. Fleet weapons don't come with the Kumari purchase, and they won't just be handed to you because you want to stay in your bank fleet rather then join a real one.

Sorry, just because your bugged weapons were fixed doesn't mean you deserve anything more for free other then a full refund.

thlaylierah

Just because some dev screwed up I am being punished for it.

That and not being a communist.

My weapons weren't bugged. They were nerfed and I was stolen from.

marc8219

How are you being punished for it when you are receiving a refund? Your argument makes absolutley no sense, you are not being punished, you are just throwing a tantrum to try to get more free stuff. If they wanted to steal from you they wouldn't give you your dil back as refund, yet they did.

I also own the Kumari 3 pack, and bought a full set of 4 Andorian DHC and 2 turrets too, and I don't see the problem. If I want to, I can choose to turn them in for dil, but I haven't bothered yet as I see no decrease in effectivness of this "nerf" anyway.

thlaylierah

I'm being punished because something of value I payed for is being diminished and offered a wholly inadequate compensation for such, just because someone made a mistake.

I don't want free stuff, I wanted my weapons to remain as I purchased them. They gave me no choice but to accept the refund after they broke my weapons because I have to climb their socialistic ladder to get them back.

If you haven't noticed a change in performance, then you must not do STFs or anything beyond PvE.

marc8219

thlaylierah wrote: »

I'm being punished because something of value I payed for is being diminished and offered a wholly inadequate compensation for such, just because someone made a mistake.

I don't want free stuff, I wanted my weapons to remain as I purchased them. They gave me no choice but to accept the refund after they broke my weapons because I have to climb their socialistic ladder to get them back.

If you haven't noticed a change in performance, then you must not do STFs or anything beyond PvE.

100% full refund is adequate, you are being made whole thus it is fully adequate.

You do realize that fleet andorian weapons are stronger then pre nerf dil store weapons, they are Mk XII acc x2 dmg x2, while the bugged dil store versions had mk XII stats but are only accx2 dmg. I pvp all the time withit but no problem.

thlaylierah

But I wasn't made whole. They ruined my weapons then offered a refund. It's like a store boosting their prices then advertising a sale. They rip you off and some people defend them thinking they got a deal.

If it was not such a big deal then why did they have to break the already purchased weapons instead of leaving them as "Legacy" items of which there are still some in STO.

Looking forward to the even better Phasers then when I finally get there.

Can't wait to see how they nerf all those Romulan goodies coming up after people are happy with them.

sander233

I'm playing a nerf violin for you. You can't hear it, because its nerf.

thlaylierah

LOL let me close by relating a RW story.

I own a Dodge truck and after making some venison goulash of one of the dumber bucks in the area I had a headlight replaced at the dealership because I was still under warranty.

Little did I know they were secretly thieves replacing OEM parts with cheap knockoffs. Mechanics being one of my hobbies, I caught them at it. They gave me a new headlight assembly which I found was a mislabeled Durango headlight assembly. When I went to return it they refused to give me the correct parts. I casually mentioned to a lawyer friend on one of my beats what they had done.

I now not only have racing headlights, but a waver from the city to have said headlights and that dealership? Well there's an empty lot there now.

Unfair business practices have a way of sneaking up on the perpetrators.

marc8219

thlaylierah wrote: »

But I wasn't made whole. They ruined my weapons then offered a refund.
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LOL you just contradicted yourself in the same sentence. You just admitted being offered the refund, that is being made whole. You also got to rent the weapons for free basically since you get a full refund. You can't convince anyone you are still owed anything more then that refund.

You also fail to look at the big picture when considering why things are "nerfed", they don't do it just for lulz its maintaining game balance. All mk xi very rare dil store weapons are supposed to be same stats since they are same price, so its not fair to owners of the other weapons that paid same price as you. Also the stats the weapons had pre nerf made them almost like fleet weapons, again not fair to everyone who already grinded their starbases and the credits for those weapons.

dan512

You mad bro? Things get changed, if we all got butt hurt about it we still wouldnt be playing this game.

Think about us galaxy x owners, who earned our gx's just for them to be sold in the c store because people bitched about it, fact of the matter is TRIBBLE happens, deal with it.

thlaylierah

I also suffered the Galaxy X fiasco as well.

This is more of the same.

It's been added to my list.

Getting a cough drop in exchange for a Ferrari is not an adiquate refund, no contradictions there.

Very sad that some people can't get that and enjoy your cough drops, I'm sure there will be more to come after they nerf all the Romulan stuff you come to love.

whoami2

When you get a refund for those Phasers do u get the same price u bought it for?

kalvorax

whoami2 wrote: »

When you get a refund for those Phasers do u get the same price u bought it for?

yes, for the prototype andorian weapons...

as to the OP...well you ARE doing a starbase that was meant for fleets of more than 5 people by yourself....

thlaylierah

Actually I got a better price as they were worth far less when I sold them.

It's not the refund that's bad.

It's the nerfing of already purchased products which should be as illegal in this virtual world as it is in the real world.

I've often thought an MMO Over-site Committee should be formed to ensure fair business practices among MMO companies. Sadly, if such a committee existed, STO would simply close it's doors rather than change. That I don't want to see happen so I guess I'll take it, but I should also be allowed to express my opinion as all the detractors soon will after their favorite Romulan bits start getting nerfed.

marc8219

I'm not selfish enough to think of myself more then overall game balance so won't mind nerfs to something Romulan if its not balanced properly. There will be no STO if they don't ever fix things everyone quits.

zigadeic

thlaylierah wrote: »

I've often thought an MMO Over-site Committee should be formed to ensure fair business practices among MMO companies. Sadly, if such a committee existed, STO would simply close it's doors rather than change.

In theory this sounds like a good idea but since it would either be run by players,dev's or both there are some major issues with it mainly the human factor. "just wanted to throw that out there."

I for one am sorry that you are upset about your refund. I am sure none of us like the feeling of being ripped off when they change something ingame after we already got it but regretfully that is life and life is not fair look at it this way atleast you made some progress on your starbase. Enjoy your coughdrop.

atlasmk7

Quite possibly the most self entitled forum rager I've ever seen. The OP has no idea what it means to balance an online game. The phasers were bugged, and needed to be fixed. They aren't taking anything away from you. They offered a full refund for anyone unsatisfied with the change. They can't do much better than that!

Let me guess, if your bank accidently made an error and deposited 10 grand into your account you would probably feel entitled to that as well when they inform you they need it back.

Get over yourself.

quintaris

My Kumari is outfit with a full set of MKXII fleet Andorian phasers. They're awesome balls of flaming blue death.

christianmac

So let me think here. The powers the be realized they screwed up the Weapons. So they fixed them. And because they knew made a mistake with the XI weapons. They fixed them however they knew ppl like you would cry nerf they offered a FULL refund of the cost. So you, being in a TRIBBLE fleet didn't have the capablility to get the new fleet gear. This made it your decision to do what you did.....its all on you. Cryptic's only crime is trying to be honest. Get off your high horse and remember that its a GAME.

thlaylierah

I have yet an even better comparison!

It's like you wanted a Romulan Faction and now you have to buy the D?deridex you were looking forward to in a $124.00 Legacy Pack.

I give it to Cryptic, they are consistent. Please enjoy your Legacy Cough Drop packs.

"Socialism is the equal sharing of misery." _Winston Churchill

obsidiusrex

What was I supposed to find disturbing onthe OP? Looks like a normal Starbase project. A project meant to be tackled by a group of players, that does not take a trivial amount of time.

Also, I suspect the Romulan ships in the pre-purchase pack will be available ala carte in the C-Store post launch; i.e.: the pack won't be the only way to get a particular ship.

Finally, no political remarks. They're against the forum rules.

thlaylierah

OK.

"MMO's are the equal sharing of misery." _ Thlaylie

I bet those ships will also be rank locked so even if you bought your fav Romulan ships now you will have to wait until you reach end rank on your Romulan Toon.

Starbase projects should have ALL the info pertaining to their costs and times listed up front in their descriptions.

Finally nothing should ever be nerfed. Do the work and fix everything else to make it balanced. Punishment should be delt to the one that made the mistake, not everyone else.

My MMO Over-site Committee idea has any company that wishes to market an MMO in the US putting the game ownership up as collateral. Failure to pay fines levied against the game in a reasonable time would forfeit the game ownership to the MMO Over-site Committee. Then they could fix it and run it correctly with no further violations.

quintaris

wut

/10chars

marc8219

3 pages later and still nobody on your side, give up already. You are not getting free fleet weapons and whatever else you think you are entitled to like a JHAS.

Just grinded enough fleet credits to get Fleet Andy weapons and I just turned in my dil store weapons for a full refund. I am very pleased with Cryptic for allowing me to borrow the items for free from the dil store while I saved up for the fleet weapons.

joshephooper

thlaylierah wrote: »

OK.

"MMO's are the equal sharing of misery." _ Thlaylie

I bet those ships will also be rank locked so even if you bought your fav Romulan ships now you will have to wait until you reach end rank on your Romulan Toon.

Starbase projects should have ALL the info pertaining to their costs and times listed up front in their descriptions.

Finally nothing should ever be nerfed. Do the work and fix everything else to make it balanced. Punishment should be delt to the one that made the mistake, not everyone else.

My MMO Over-site Committee idea has any company that wishes to market an MMO in the US putting the game ownership up as collateral. Failure to pay fines levied against the game in a reasonable time would forfeit the game ownership to the MMO Over-site Committee. Then they could fix it and run it correctly with no further violations.

This isn't a nerf........it's a recall. It happens the real world too. When a product is not performing as it should it taken back. That's all that happened here. Now go deal with this by yourself as we don't want to hear anymore about your no issue.

atlasmk7

thlaylierah wrote: »

I bet those ships will also be rank locked so even if you bought your fav Romulan ships now you will have to wait until you reach end rank on your Romulan Toon.

Wow, just like every other C-store ship already in the game? No way Sherlock!
Keep digging the hole, you're accomplishing nothing but making yourself look like the typical over vocal idiot.

thlaylierah

At least I have refrained from calling people names in this thread.

squishkin

thlaylierah wrote: »

My MMO Over-site Committee idea has any company that wishes to market an MMO in the US putting the game ownership up as collateral. Failure to pay fines levied against the game in a reasonable time would forfeit the game ownership to the MMO Over-site Committee. Then they could fix it and run it correctly with no further violations.

Man, your little comedy of errors is hilariously full of fail.

I gotta say, though, something about the idea of the MMO Police in their Black Helicopters of Gaming makes me smile. :cool:

mattimeo97

If OP had some friends, they might already have an upgraded Starbase, and a support network to help them through the emotionally devastating full refund they received.