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stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
Its time people, we have to face the truth that Cryptic's well has dried up in regards to pure canon Federation vessels and designs.

What do you feel in expanding the Federation, Klingon, Romulan starship fleets with original works from the Cryptic design team?

Will they allow another design a starship contest for all three Factions? It would be wise for them to do so.

I would love to see fan art designs for new Romulan warships, Klingon starships, and Fan design contest for Federation Escorts, Cruisers, science vessels, and even for an official Federation Carrier.

I would like to see design contests for all that I have mentioned.

While we're on about design contest, this also includes uniform designs - I know there are alot of talented individuals with graphic art skills and Fashion designers

Lets see that Talent :D
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    3dsmax files ready to submit, bridge included.
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    They can finish texturing it for me
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  • sorceror01sorceror01 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    They're probably not gonna have a new contest for ships.
    The only reason they had one before was because it was for an iconic ship. Which is why it was called the "Design the next Enterprise" contest.
    Pretty sure Cryptic is more than capable of creating their own ships unique to this game (which they have been doing for quite some time). And I do believe they've stated many times that they can't accept fan designs under normal conditions.
    If you wanna design ships for STO and actually have them used in-game, why not apply for a position at Cryptic Studios?
    ".... you're gonna have a bad time."
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Another contest so Players can insult each other again, and nerd rage...yeah I don't think so.
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  • brigadooombrigadooom Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Whatever they have to do to make the Andromeda Ascendant appear, they should do it :p
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  • benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
    edited April 2013
    Not true, not true one bit.

    If you wish to follow Canon, there are literally over 200 different vessels starfleet has created.

    Over 226 different klingon vessels, from attack wings (such as the To'Duj) to birds of prey, to battle cruisers, to science ships (yes, Klingons had science ships) etc.

    Over 83 Romulan Vessels.

    17 Gorn ships

    19 Naussican ships.

    5 Caition ships

    12 Andorian ships.

    6 Vulcan ships.

    14 Cardassian ships

    4 Ferengi ships.

    They are nowhere near being close to being a out of canon ships. If you wish to include all novels ever made, all comics, TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, All the past Star Trek Games, etc. You can easily factor in more than 3,000 ships at the MINIMUM that could be put into the game, just sticking the triade of Romulan, Klingon, and Federation.

    In the Dominion War in the series of DS9, in a single scene alone, they had more than 86 different starships present. all federation. When they mixed the fleet of fed and klingon, klingon side shows at least 40 different ships, hit the pause button and count each and every single ship that is different from the others. all the ships that don' tmatch another ship, etc.

    And then you still have Hirogen ships we can look into, (they would fit greatly for the KDF playstyle/RP) etc. etc. it's literally almost limitless what they can get into.
  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I do not recall seeing 200 different hull designs for Starfleet on screen.
  • benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
    edited April 2013
    I do not recall seeing 200 different hull designs for Starfleet on screen.

    THroughout the series of the war against the Klingons, and the Dominion, literally count each ship you see that's different. Seriously.... And that's not going into the ships shown in Voyager at Earth Space Dock, and when they get back to the Alpha Quadrant.
  • elnatorelnator Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I do not recall seeing 200 different hull designs for Starfleet on screen.


    Watch on Netflix
    Pause
    Look again

    They are there.
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  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    benovide wrote: »
    THroughout the series of the war against the Klingons, and the Dominion, literally count each ship you see that's different. Seriously.... And that's not going into the ships shown in Voyager at Earth Space Dock, and when they get back to the Alpha Quadrant.
    I have. Sacrifice of angels is composed of only a few ship types: The Galaxy, Excelsior, Centaur, Akira, Defiant, and Mirandas. And there were 1200 of those 6 ship types. The End of voyager saw one more new ship type, the Prometheus.

    We've only got about 5 on screen starship hull types left to go (and those 5 are mostly the one off hulks we saw in The Best of Both Worlds graveyard).
  • benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
    edited April 2013
    I have. Sacrifice of angels is composed of only a few ship types: The Galaxy, Excelsior, Centaur, Akira, Defiant, and Mirandas. And there were 1200 of those 6 ship types. The End of voyager saw one more new ship type, the Prometheus.

    We've only got about 5 on screen starship hull types left to go (and those 5 are mostly the one off hulks we saw in The Best of Both Worlds graveyard).

    Not that one single scene, I'm talking all the fleet scenes.
  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    benovide wrote: »
    Not that one single scene, I'm talking all the fleet scenes.
    All the same ships; They reused the same assets over and over in production. There might have been some Sabers and Steamrunners in the other episodes, but I don't recall seeing any.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    stark2k wrote: »
    Its time people, we have to face the truth that Cryptic's well has dried up in regards to pure canon Federation vessels and designs.

    No offense, but the well is far from dry with Federation canonical ships.

    Sure they put in all the popular ones, but there is still literally dozens of the kitbashes that still need to be added. Sure many of them are hideous, but they are canon and shouldn't be ignored for the sake of aesthetics.

    Besides, not like Cryptic couldn't make a second skin and made them look better as refits.


    And with Klingon ships, they still have yet to added the K'Vort, the 22nd Century BoP, the D5, (The D4 technically is in as the Koro'Tinga but ), canonical Toron shuttlepod (not the old or new STO Torons), and the Negh'var varient from All Good Things (officially known as the VoD'legh, but Cryptic used that name for the Vo'Quv skin. :mad:)

    stark2k wrote: »
    What do you feel in expanding the Federation, Klingon, Romulan starship fleets with original works from the Cryptic design team?

    Will they allow another design a starship contest for all three Factions? It would be wise for them to do so.

    I would love to see fan art designs for new Romulan warships, Klingon starships, and Fan design contest for Federation Escorts, Cruisers, science vessels, and even for an official Federation Carrier.

    I would like to see design contests for all that I have mentioned.

    While we're on about design contest, this also includes uniform designs - I know there are alot of talented individuals with graphic art skills and Fashion designers

    Lets see that Talent :D

    Cryptic has been using some of the DTNE entries for some new ships (like the Chimera) or bits and pieces of the entries for their canonical designs. Wouldn't hurt if they opened the doors sometimes to let inspriation flow.

    I for one have offered many of My Designs. Which some tell me are interesting.
  • benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
    edited April 2013
    All the same ships; They reused the same assets over and over in production. There might have been some Sabers and Steamrunners in the other episodes, but I don't recall seeing any.

    List of federation starships seen from TOS, thru Enterprise:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Starfleet_starships_ordered_by_class

    Can't get a good list of klingon ships, because they are all fragmented....

    But this is a BoP that would be awesome to have in game.

    http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060909022508/memoryalpha/en/images/d/da/Klingon_b-o-p_%28Duras%29,_Expanse.jpg

    From ST Enterprise epsiode the expanse.
  • evostvoevostvo Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Im still waiting on the Universe Class 10 Fore 8 Aft
  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    benovide wrote: »
    List of federation starships seen from TOS, thru Enterprise:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Starfleet_starships_ordered_by_class

    Can't get a good list of klingon ships, because they are all fragmented....

    But this is a BoP that would be awesome to have in game.

    http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060909022508/memoryalpha/en/images/d/da/Klingon_b-o-p_%28Duras%29,_Expanse.jpg

    From ST Enterprise epsiode the expanse.
    Several of those ships in the Wikipedia link are from the books (which are not canon, and also not included in STO's license). Memory-Alpha.org only lists on screen stuff (and this Is the list of all ships seen or mentioned on screen. Obviously those with out a picture don't count for STO canon purposes because it was never actually seen).
  • benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
    edited April 2013
    Several of those ships in the Wikipedia link are from the books (which are not canon, and also not included in STO's license). Memory-Alpha.org only lists on screen stuff (and this Is the list of all ships seen or mentioned on screen. Obviously those with out a picture don't count for STO canon purposes because it was never actually seen).

    That's false, no ships from the books are on that list, or else it'd have the Riker, Errands, Star Cluster, Owens, Broadway, and Hewitt Class starships.

    And btw, here's some ships in this vid not listed on your memory alpha list. (which is an STO fansite, BTW)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHrCgz8uebU Those are just SOME of the ships found in the fight at wolf 359
  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    benovide wrote: »
    That's false, no ships from the books are on that list
    You, are, wrong.
  • benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
    edited April 2013

    But yet, the ship captained by Ezri Dax is in this game......... And you have an issue with the list? And also, I resend my last statement, there are a couple from the novels.
  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    benovide wrote: »
    And btw, here's some ships in this vid not listed on your memory alpha list. (which is an STO fansite, BTW)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHrCgz8uebU Those are just SOME of the ships found in the fight at wolf 359
    Every single one of those ships in that video have listings on Memory-Alpha. And yes, it is a fan-site, but it is very meticulous in listing Every, and ONLY, canon thing related to Star Trek.
  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    benovide wrote: »
    But yet, the ship captained by Ezri Dax is in this game......... And you have an issue with the list? And also, I resend my last statement, there are a couple from the novels.
    Which was acquired through a months long granting of a special license to do so. And that license was for ONLY the Vesta. If STO wanted to get the Merrian (or any other novel ship), they'd have to get *another* license.

    You made the claim there are hundreds of canon ships. That claim is false.
  • benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
    edited April 2013
    Which was acquired through a months long granting of a special license to do so. And that license was for ONLY the Vesta. If STO wanted to get the Merrian (or any other novel ship), they'd have to get *another* license.

    You made the claim there are hundreds of canon ships. That claim is false.

    There are hundreds of canon ships, novels are canon. If you read them, you'd know that DS9 was showing paralel with the novels, picking up from where novels left off (section 31 seeking a new recruit, after book was released, they released the episode of them trying to recruit Dr. Brashir, etc. ) throughout the books and television shows, majority of them are intertwined.

    And as far as licenses, Cryptic is completely covered already. THey dont' need anything special, when they already have it. The Vesta was released because they thought it time to release it.

    I'm obviously talking to someone who's never read the books at all.
  • benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
    edited April 2013
    Every single one of those ships in that video have listings on Memory-Alpha. And yes, it is a fan-site, but it is very meticulous in listing Every, and ONLY, canon thing related to Star Trek.

    I'll let you figure out which 3 are not on your mem alpha list.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Every single one of those ships in that video have listings on Memory-Alpha. And yes, it is a fan-site, but it is very meticulous in listing Every, and ONLY, canon thing related to Star Trek.

    Indeed, Memory Alpha maybe is a fansite, but it's so in-depth and accurate that even the production staff of Enterprise used it for reference. Even the website's creator - Jorg, got a guest spot on Enterprise and is close with Doug Drexler and Mike Okuda.

    So while it's a fansite to people, for Star Trek fans, its an official website. :D
  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    benovide wrote: »
    novels are canon.
    No, they are not. Most of them directly contradict each other. The general rule is, Novels are not canon (1 2)
    If you read them, you'd know that DS9 was showing paralel with the novels, picking up from where novels left off (section 31 seeking a new recruit, after book was released, they released the episode of them trying to recruit Dr. Brashir, etc. )
    No, it did not. Futhermore, your example of Section 31 is false: DS9 did it first (section "Appearances"), and every S31 Novel came after DS9.
    And as far as licenses, Cryptic is completely covered already. THey dont' need anything special, when they already have it. The Vesta was released because they thought it time to release it.
    I can not find a source at this time (I'm sure somebody else can), but it is FACT, that Cryptic only has license to the 5 live action TV series and the first 10 Star Trek movies. Nothing more.
  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    benovide wrote: »
    I'll let you figure out which 3 are not on your mem alpha list.
    You should actually read the list and cross compare it to your linked video. Every single ship in that video was on the list I provided.
  • benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
    edited April 2013
    OH and I also forgot to mention, the Odyssey Star Cruiser was created for the need to counter larger, more formidable ships, after the dominion war it was pushed to creat the Odyssey to counter act the creation of the Bortas (also from the novels) to recreate balance, after the first combat operations in fighting against Jem Hadar Dreadnoughts.

    And the Brutal Battle at Kivell IV, (where the Reman's were sent in as shock troops to pave the way for the main ground assault in taking back the planet, and was the first time the Reman's were ever mentioned in Canon which lead several novels just about the Remans and the actions in the dominion war, which inspired Star Trek Nemesis)

    botht he Odyssey, and the Bortas, are from the novels.

    The Ushaan, and Zephyre, are also from the novels.
  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    benovide wrote: »
    OH and I also forgot to mention, the Odyssey Star Cruiser was created for the need to counter larger, more formidable ships, after the dominion war it was pushed to creat the Odyssey to counter act the creation of the Bortas (also from the novels) to recreate balance, after the first combat operations in fighting against Jem Hadar Dreadnoughts.

    And the Brutal Battle at Kivell IV, (where the Reman's were sent in as shock troops to pave the way for the main ground assault in taking back the planet).

    botht he Odyssey, and the Bortas, are from the novels.

    The Ushaan, and Zephyre, are also from the novels.
    The Odyssey was a Fan Creation in 2010! From a "Design the New Enterprise" competition for STO! It had NO basis in anything Star Trek previous, and was not spawned of neither Cryptic nor CBS.

    EDIT: Also, No Ushaan class shows up in any Novel (From Memory Beta, the collection of soft and non Star Trek canon)
  • benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
    edited April 2013
    The Odyssey was a Fan Creation in 2010! From a "Design the New Enterprise" competition for STO! It had NO basis in anything Star Trek previous, and was not spawned of neither Cryptic nor CBS.

    In name, and discription, (novels don't have photos) the Oddyssey and Bortas are both from the novels.

    The Bortasqu' is not from tne novels, the Bortas however, is.
  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    benovide wrote: »
    In name, and discription, (novels don't have photos) the Oddyssey and Bortas are both from the novels.

    The Bortasqu' is not from tne novels, the Bortas however, is.
    The Odyssey does not show up in any novel. It only shows up in STO.
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