The Odyssey was a Fan Creation in 2010! From a "Design the New Enterprise" competition for STO! It had NO basis in anything Star Trek previous, and was not spawned of neither Cryptic nor CBS.
EDIT: Also, No Ushaan class shows up in any Novel (From Memory Beta, the collection of soft and non Star Trek canon)
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
I've been reading star trek novels for almost 18 years. I have the entire collection from the TNG, DS9, Reman Wars, Dominion War, Klingon Federation War, Voyager, Temporal Ambassador, there isn't a single novel I don't have that has been made since 94.
I'm sure Cryptic has a lot of creative juices left in them yet, but I wouldn't say no to another contest.
Open Secrets, and Mission Gamma, again cited in Typhoon Pact series.
The Bortas IKS K'ran'pOq even went to battle against the Ezri in her Rademaker Class (Game calls it one of the VESTA ships).
And you memory beta, is nowhere even close to being complete.
Almost half the stuff in this game from Romulus blowing up, to the Reman and Tal Shiar issues, are all in the novels. Even majority of the Omega/MACO/KHG story lines are from the novels.
You say they only had a license for the Odyssey? Explain 60% of the entire storyline of the friggen game.
Open Secrets, and Mission Gamma, again cited in Typhoon Pact series.
The Bortas IKS K'ran'pOq even went to battle against the Ezri in her Rademaker Class (Game calls it one of the VESTA ships).
And you memory beta, is nowhere even close to being complete.
Almost half the stuff in this game from Romulus blowing up, to the Reman and Tal Shiar issues, are all in the novels. Even majority of the Omega/MACO/KHG story lines are from the novels.
You say they only had a license for the Odyssey? Explain 60% of the entire storyline of the friggen game.
Odd. I do a Google search on 'IKS K'ran'pOq', and the only thing that shows up is your post here. Also, the Aventine is, and always has been, a Vesta; there was no Rademaker class before Cryptic made it (it is named for Mark Rademaker, who designed the Vesta class for the novels).
The Odyssey was a Fan Creation in 2010! From a "Design the New Enterprise" competition for STO! It had NO basis in anything Star Trek previous, and was not spawned of neither Cryptic nor CBS.
EDIT: Also, No Ushaan class shows up in any Novel (From Memory Beta, the collection of soft and non Star Trek canon)
^^^That and the odyssey looks more suited as a replacement to the Olympic class medical ship then a front line battle cruiser
Since people in this thread don't seem to know for sure what Cryptic's licenses cover, here is what they have said about it from January's Ask Cryptic:
Q: (flash525) What is the Cryptic's policy where other designs from other games are concerned? The DS9: Dominion Wars game has the Federation Achilles, Klingon K'vorcha and a couple of Cardassian designs, the ST: Armada game has the Romulan Griffin and Shrike, along with a bunch of other Cardassian and Klingon designs. I'm sure there are other Trek games out there with further designs. Are we ever likely to see any of these within STO?
Dstahl: Good question. Our license with CBS is restricted to the TV Shows, the movies (up to Nemesis), the Animated Series, and some of the book fiction. Unfortunately, this license doesn?t extend to other video games. However, if those ships or factions appeared in any of the previously mentioned properties, then it is fair game.
As far as the idea of using concepts submitted to them by individual users, there are legal hurdles to that. Most companies will automatically reject ideas sent in by regular people without even looking at them. (A design contest is a bit different, since they can make people agree to legal waivers in order to submit their ideas in the rules. "All entries become the sole and exclusive property of Sponsor and will not be acknowledged or returned.")
One thing I did notice about that list, while some of the ships are mentioned in canon, (TV episodes) their class identification and other details only come from the Star Trek Encyclopedia and non-canon novels. I don't know if the Star Trek Encyclopedia is covered in Cryptic's license, and even if it is the books those ship classes may have been described and used in probably aren't covered by their licenses.
Odd. I do a Google search on 'IKS K'ran'pOq', and the only thing that shows up is your post here. Also, the Aventine is, and always has been, a Vesta; there was no Rademaker class before Cryptic made it (it is named for Mark Rademaker, who designed the Vesta class for the novels).
Rademaker Class is Ezri's ship. They made it part of the "Vesta Line".
Futhermore, the USS Titan, guess where it's from, and what game has that ship in it.
U.S.S. Titan is from the Titan Series of novels, it's a Luna Class Starship which in this game, it's a science ship.
No, the Vesta is the Vesta ... Cryptic added 2 extra costumes with one being the Rademaker that is the Tactical version if not mistaken, the Vesta that is the one from the novels is the science version.
As am at it, the ship name is the Aveline ... all Vesta class ships were named after the seven hills of Rome with the exception of the Vesta.
It come from Insurrection as Riker was already named the captain of that ship.
If you mean the Luna class, it did come from the novels as it was never mentioned what class the USS Titan was in the movies.
See above.
In the novels, the Rademaker is the science ship, it's the class of ship that Ezri Dax is the Captain of. Look it up.
USS Titan was a Luna Class vessel, as it is in the Star Trek Titan Series of Novels.
lso, they took the liberty of citing Ezri's Rademaker Class ship in the Star Fleet shipyard, didn't notice it until a fleet member reading this told me to check out the shipyard.
Go figure, game even cites it.
OH and I think you're confusing insurection with nemesis.
Since people in this thread don't seem to know for sure what Cryptic's licenses cover, here is what they have said about it from January's Ask Cryptic:
As far as the idea of using concepts submitted to them by individual users, there are legal hurdles to that. Most companies will automatically reject ideas sent in by regular people without even looking at them. (A design contest is a bit different, since they can make people agree to legal waivers in order to submit their ideas in the rules. "All entries become the sole and exclusive property of Sponsor and will not be acknowledged or returned.")
One thing I did notice about that list, while some of the ships are mentioned in canon, (TV episodes) their class identification and other details only come from the Star Trek Encyclopedia and non-canon novels. I don't know if the Star Trek Encyclopedia is covered in Cryptic's license, and even if it is the books those ship classes may have been described and used in probably aren't covered by their licenses.
In the novels, the Rademaker is the science ship, it's the class of ship that Ezri Dax is the Captain of. Look it up.
In the novels it is specifically called a Vesta class starship. It's also specifically cited as a Vesta class starship here, http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Aventine . I'm not sure where you're extricating your facts from.
I have to say that, despite the arguments over which ship appeared or didn't appear where (what're we, Star Wars fanbois? LOL), to the very last one I've found the non-canon STO Federation ships to be really, really, really, REALLY ugly. All of them.
The fiddly bits they put on some of them seem like the desingers just didn't know where to stop (or start).
That's not to say some of the canon ships aren't horrible. I mean, the Yeager? A kitbash of a Maquis fighter and the Voyager models. It's ugly as sin. The various Excelsior variants - ugly as sin. But they were simply kitbashes of convenience for budgetary reasons.
There's plenty of material out there. Some really great and classic designs from the old FASA game, that I'd love to see in STO.
From the Federation, there's some great designs (some of which I can't explain my liking for, the Chandley, for example)
If only Cryptic could strike a deal to use FASA's designs, or maybe hire Doug Drexler to do some new designs. That'd be awesome.
But new designs from Cryptic themselves? Everything they've designed in-house so far has been pretty ugly. I'd rather see them bring in some design talent.
In name, and discription, (novels don't have photos) the Oddyssey and Bortas are both from the novels.
The Bortasqu' is not from tne novels, the Bortas however, is.
the "Bortas" is the name for the Klingon Flagship which usually carries the Chancellor, like gowron when he spoke to Piccard when the new Klingon Civil War broke out, or when He arived to DS9 in his Neg'Var Bortas.
The Odyssey is also in multiple episodes of Trek long before the novels.
and after looking at the slew of posts you put up, it seems you are regarding more of the Novels being Canon (which they are not, too many contradictions between them.) and that you have read into the novels too much that you don't watch the series as well.
The ODYSSEY in DS-9, was a Galaxy Class ship that was destroyed by a Jem Hadar Bug-ship doing a suicide run into it.
The contest-winning, class-version (the Enterprise-F) in STO, is NAMED after that ship in Memoriam.
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There are also plenty of canon ships which either had models built and scenes shot but that didn't make it into the show and/or appeared in canon technical manuals. You can find them in this list as well.
Cryptic is far from running out of material to work with. There problem is everything they will want to make will likely have to be newer looking than whatever they currently have. they are far less likely to release older ships, and thus we are stuck with Cryptic designs. There are a slew of older designs I would love to see either produced or at least referenced. At the very least, having them would be useful for Foundry missions.
Well. lets see here, some of those are already in game, some of those are from the JJ verse (mayflower-class an example.) and some of those have flat out been said no to (Ent-J was on that list), and some just look so ugly i doubt cryptic would put them in unless it was a heavily crypiticized version.
Anyone taken a look at that topic showing one of those new Romulan Warbird? IMO it looks like Cryptic's 'unique' ship design philosphy hasn't changed much. Looks more like one of those angular mess birds of prey the KDF gets rather than a Mogai/Valdore or D'deridex.
However, the trick here is how is Cryptic going to sell it? Would you buy a ship from the Cstore that was basically all the bits you could already use/see in the shipyard? Or was just a new nacelle type while using the engines/saucer/pylons from existing ships?
It would basically be like buying an expensive permission slip to slap certain pre-existing parts together. Not sure I like that idea. Thoughts?
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That list is nowhere near complete.
The Frontier and Vega are awesome.
I'm sure Cryptic has a lot of creative juices left in them yet, but I wouldn't say no to another contest.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
I've been reading star trek novels for almost 18 years. I have the entire collection from the TNG, DS9, Reman Wars, Dominion War, Klingon Federation War, Voyager, Temporal Ambassador, there isn't a single novel I don't have that has been made since 94.
Open Secrets, and Mission Gamma, again cited in Typhoon Pact series.
The Bortas IKS K'ran'pOq even went to battle against the Ezri in her Rademaker Class (Game calls it one of the VESTA ships).
And you memory beta, is nowhere even close to being complete.
Almost half the stuff in this game from Romulus blowing up, to the Reman and Tal Shiar issues, are all in the novels. Even majority of the Omega/MACO/KHG story lines are from the novels.
You say they only had a license for the Odyssey? Explain 60% of the entire storyline of the friggen game.
Odd. I do a Google search on 'IKS K'ran'pOq', and the only thing that shows up is your post here. Also, the Aventine is, and always has been, a Vesta; there was no Rademaker class before Cryptic made it (it is named for Mark Rademaker, who designed the Vesta class for the novels).
I like the Goddard class. It's like a Saber and an Oberth had babies.
^^^That and the odyssey looks more suited as a replacement to the Olympic class medical ship then a front line battle cruiser
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yes bring on the kitbashes we already have the centaur in game.
still need the Yeager http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/ds9tm/uss_yeager_oblique1.jpg
the excelsior carrier http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/excelsior-variant1-screen.jpg (as it is described as in the DS9 tech manual)
the Intrepid/constitution sub-type http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/bash-fleet49.jpg?w=655&h=425
Saladin-class twin nacelle destroyer http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/bash-fleet26.jpg?w=655&h=237
Hutzel-Class http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/uss_hutzel_1.jpg?w=655
all those where on screen in DS9 during the klingon/dominion war
As far as the idea of using concepts submitted to them by individual users, there are legal hurdles to that. Most companies will automatically reject ideas sent in by regular people without even looking at them. (A design contest is a bit different, since they can make people agree to legal waivers in order to submit their ideas in the rules. "All entries become the sole and exclusive property of Sponsor and will not be acknowledged or returned.")
One thing I did notice about that list, while some of the ships are mentioned in canon, (TV episodes) their class identification and other details only come from the Star Trek Encyclopedia and non-canon novels. I don't know if the Star Trek Encyclopedia is covered in Cryptic's license, and even if it is the books those ship classes may have been described and used in probably aren't covered by their licenses.
Rademaker Class is Ezri's ship. They made it part of the "Vesta Line".
Futhermore, the USS Titan, guess where it's from, and what game has that ship in it.
U.S.S. Titan is from the Titan Series of novels, it's a Luna Class Starship which in this game, it's a science ship.
In the novels, the Rademaker is the science ship, it's the class of ship that Ezri Dax is the Captain of. Look it up.
USS Titan was a Luna Class vessel, as it is in the Star Trek Titan Series of Novels.
lso, they took the liberty of citing Ezri's Rademaker Class ship in the Star Fleet shipyard, didn't notice it until a fleet member reading this told me to check out the shipyard.
Go figure, game even cites it.
OH and I think you're confusing insurection with nemesis.
so we could still get a Yeager-class lol
Vesta Class is Ezri's ship. Rademaker is just the name of the guy who designed it. It's you that needs to look some stuff up.
In the novels it is specifically called a Vesta class starship. It's also specifically cited as a Vesta class starship here, http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Aventine . I'm not sure where you're extricating your facts from.
The fiddly bits they put on some of them seem like the desingers just didn't know where to stop (or start).
That's not to say some of the canon ships aren't horrible. I mean, the Yeager? A kitbash of a Maquis fighter and the Voyager models. It's ugly as sin. The various Excelsior variants - ugly as sin. But they were simply kitbashes of convenience for budgetary reasons.
There's plenty of material out there. Some really great and classic designs from the old FASA game, that I'd love to see in STO.
From the Federation, there's some great designs (some of which I can't explain my liking for, the Chandley, for example)
Baker Class
Chandley Class
Larson Class
Loknar Class
And I think there are two designs for the Romulan Empire that are gorgeous:
Regal Hawk
Winged Defender
If only Cryptic could strike a deal to use FASA's designs, or maybe hire Doug Drexler to do some new designs. That'd be awesome.
But new designs from Cryptic themselves? Everything they've designed in-house so far has been pretty ugly. I'd rather see them bring in some design talent.
ok when we say bring us ships we mean ships that don't look like the back of a dogs...well you know
the "Bortas" is the name for the Klingon Flagship which usually carries the Chancellor, like gowron when he spoke to Piccard when the new Klingon Civil War broke out, or when He arived to DS9 in his Neg'Var Bortas.
The Odyssey is also in multiple episodes of Trek long before the novels.
and after looking at the slew of posts you put up, it seems you are regarding more of the Novels being Canon (which they are not, too many contradictions between them.) and that you have read into the novels too much that you don't watch the series as well.
http://www.jedisaber.com/ST/wallpaper/allships.jpg
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/web/Klingon_Size_Comparison_Chart.jpg
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/web.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4s2m9S8E9g
Even more
http://www.fractalscapes.net/designs/USS_pangaea/PLANNN.jpg
http://www.hyperspacevision.de/Materialien/Starship%20Guide%20Bilder/Klassen/Diligent/DiligentOrtho.jpg
http://www.stolendroids.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Fed-Flotte_PREV.jpg
The contest-winning, class-version (the Enterprise-F) in STO, is NAMED after that ship in Memoriam.
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TOS/Movie Era
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Antares_type
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Excelsior_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Oberth_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Bonaventure_type
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Soyuz_class (it is in TNG, but was displaced from the movie era)
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Miranda_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Constitution_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ambassador_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Daedalus_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Huron_type
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Sydney_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Mayflower_type
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ptolemy_class
TNG/Voyager Era
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Apollo_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cheyenne_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Steamrunner_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nebula_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Intrepid_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Centaur_type
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Norway_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Curry_type
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Constellation_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Defiant_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Galaxy_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Springfield_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Sovereign_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nova_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Danube_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Prometheus_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Saber_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Yeager_type
No stated Class, but was on screen ;
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Alka-Selsior
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Constellation_(NCC-55817)
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Gremlin
Future/Alter reality
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Aeon
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Armstrong_type
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Constitution_class_(alternate_reality)
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Enterprise-J_type#Background_information
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Newton_type
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Wells_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Yellowstone_class
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Olympic_class
No stated Class, but was on screen ;
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Mayflower_(NCC-1621)
There are plenty more, I just got tired of looking
You can dig through here http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Federation_starships
There are also plenty of canon ships which either had models built and scenes shot but that didn't make it into the show and/or appeared in canon technical manuals. You can find them in this list as well.
Cryptic is far from running out of material to work with. There problem is everything they will want to make will likely have to be newer looking than whatever they currently have. they are far less likely to release older ships, and thus we are stuck with Cryptic designs. There are a slew of older designs I would love to see either produced or at least referenced. At the very least, having them would be useful for Foundry missions.
Awesome to see so many of the debris models from Wolf 359 realized as actual ship models in this video.
Well. lets see here, some of those are already in game, some of those are from the JJ verse (mayflower-class an example.) and some of those have flat out been said no to (Ent-J was on that list), and some just look so ugly i doubt cryptic would put them in unless it was a heavily crypiticized version.
The Fed and Klinks don't even have FF,DDs,Scouts and Survey ships.
I happen to like this one
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=890&oq=USS+Argentna+&gs_l=img.3...2646.12098.0.15442.13.8.0.5.5.0.57.354.8.8.0...0.0...1ac.1.8.img.GuhXVg6lKow&q=USS%20Argentna#imgrc=X7YoW08FBEs9oM%3A%3BTCa7UqLLIjp2hM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.demonrenegadestudios.com%252Fdownloads%252Ffed%252Fargentina_angle1.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.demonrenegadestudios.com%252Fdrs_fed.html%3B1024%3B768
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=890&oq=USS+Argentna+&gs_l=img.3...2646.12098.0.15442.13.8.0.5.5.0.57.354.8.8.0...0.0...1ac.1.8.img.GuhXVg6lKow&q=USS%20Argentna#imgrc=X7YoW08FBEs9oM%3A%3BTCa7UqLLIjp2hM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.demonrenegadestudios.com%252Fdownloads%252Ffed%252Fargentina_angle1.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.demonrenegadestudios.com%252Fdrs_fed.html%3B1024%3B768
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However, the trick here is how is Cryptic going to sell it? Would you buy a ship from the Cstore that was basically all the bits you could already use/see in the shipyard? Or was just a new nacelle type while using the engines/saucer/pylons from existing ships?
It would basically be like buying an expensive permission slip to slap certain pre-existing parts together. Not sure I like that idea. Thoughts?