Offically the ship-class name was never revealed, and everyone (including the creator, John Eaves) refered to the Valdore as the Valdore-class. Then the Star Trek Card Game named it the Norexian and then the novels named it Mogai (which STO picked up on).
For years, I commented that if Cryptic ever made a Romulan faction, they could make variations and give it each of the three-names. Which after the Odyssey, Bortasque, Vesta, and the Andorian escorts, that possbility could very well happen.
The Valdore could be the Engineering version (a destroyer-type).
The Mogai the Escort.
The Norexian the Science Ship (Sci-scort).
(Of course, depends if Cryptic is allowed to use the name Norexian, from the Card Game).
Offically the ship-class name was never revealed, and everyone (including the creator, John Eaves) refered to the Valdore as the Valdore-class. Then the Star Trek Card Game named it the Norexian and then the novels named it Mogai (which STO picked up on).
For years, I commented that if Cryptic ever made a Romulan faction, they could make variations and give it each of the three-names. Which after the Odyssey, Bortasque, Vesta, and the Andorian escorts, that possbility could very well happen.
The Valdore could be the Engineering version (a destroyer-type).
The Mogai the Escort.
The Norexian the Science Ship (Sci-scort).
(Of course, depends if Cryptic is allowed to use the name Norexian, from the Card Game).
I like this idea. But it's spelled Norexan not NorexIan.
BoP- lower lvl ship escort
D7- lower lvl cruiser
Scout- lower lvl science ship
Fvillha(romulan raptor) - escort
Mogai/Valdore/Norexan - destroyer with three class variants(i think he is too big on escort)
Kerchan- cruiser
D'Deridex - battlecruiser with three class variants
Drone(scorpion) carrier-carrier
Scimitar - tank (with 5 fore and 4 aft weapons slots)
and Shadow class destroyer with phase cloak for lifetimers
Ive seen this beauty around for a few years, the Kerchan Warbird. Longer than the D'deridex but less mass I think, sort of the way they did the Galaxy to the Sovereign.
Actually I have been wondering, ships like the Winged Defender have been used in multiple games by multiple companies, doesn't this make them open sourced or whatever its called? Meaning anyone can use them?
BoP- lower lvl ship escort
D7- lower lvl cruiser
Scout- lower lvl science ship
Fvillha(romulan raptor) - escort
Mogai/Valdore/Norexan - destroyer with three class variants(i think he is too big on escort)
Kerchan- cruiser
D'Deridex - battlecruiser with three class variants
Drone(scorpion) carrier-carrier
Scimitar - tank (with 5 fore and 4 aft weapons slots)
and Shadow class destroyer with phase cloak for lifetimers
Romulan BoPs are Cruisers, not Escorts. They were slow and unmanuverable.
Fvillha and Kerchan - lets stick to canonical ships. :P
Since all Romulan ships are Warbirds, be interesting how they handle an Escort and Science Branches. Though wouldn't be surprised they have Reman ships handle as Escorts.
Romulan BoPs are Cruisers, not Escorts. They were slow and unmanuverable.
Fvillha and Kerchan - lets stick to canonical ships. :P
Since all Romulan ships are Warbirds, be interesting how they handle an Escort and Science Branches. Though wouldn't be surprised they have Reman ships handle as Escorts.
Yes , you are right, but in 25.century they are an escorts
And Fvillha - the Romulans needs escorts like raptor and Kerchan is my favourite design ,
i know non-canon from games
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If I remember correctly, Riker actually said in Nemesis that Remans were used as shock troops during the Dominion War, so Starfleet's known of the Remans since then at least.
The vertical setup Warbird that was brought up earlier was a concept design for the D'Deridex I think...
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Yes , you are right, but in 25.century they are an escorts
Only the Mogai, not Warbirds in general.
Warbirds are supposed to be somewhere between Battlecruisers and Cruisers in capability. Klingon Battlecruisers are made for offense, Federation Cruisers for balanced fighting, while Romulans use sneak attacks, but can't sustain a prolonged fight.
And Fvillha - the Romulans needs escorts like raptor and Kerchan is my favourite design, i know non-canon from games
I always liked Suricata's F'villha, but we know Cryptic doesn't buy up fan-made designs.
The only fanmade designs they did use, were those from the DTNE contest.
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edited March 2013
The D'deridex-class warbird was the last new ship designed by Andrew Probert for the show, his design sketch of 21 March 1988 receiving the approval of the producers.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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i mean romulan BoPs are escorts in STO, not every ship
May I ask where you get that information about Romulan BoP's being escorts?
Best to my knowledge, they are Frigates (similar to the Mirandas). Unless you are confusing Klingon BoP's (which many regard as escort, when really they are Raiders).
*scratches head* UHH...folks...you do know the roles and classes NPC ships have don't really reflect the roles and classes player ships have...right?
I mean we have an NPC Nebula in this game that is a cruiser.
So the Mogai might just as well end up as a cruiser fo some sort and the Romulan BoP could end up as a counterpart for the Klingon BoP or Raptor or something inbetween without any problem.
Disclaimer...I just think all of these ships look great. Kudos to the mod makers and designers that made them and thank you very much for posting images of your fabulous work. I think if Cryptic took half of these type designs or used them for a basic starting point...then the Romulan's would have a killer looking fleet of starships for combat against it's foes.
Just my 2 cents thrown in.
I'd happily give them the rights to use my Fvillha design ;-)
Ive seen this beauty around for a few years, the Kerchan Warbird. Longer than the D'deridex but less mass I think, sort of the way they did the Galaxy to the Sovereign.
This ship looks awesome but since it's not in the shows, cryptic has no right to use the design. Unless they buy the rights. They did it for the vesta but they had enough feds to cover the costs. In this case it would be a very risky choice since they don't know if the romulan faction will be a success (with people buying ships and investing in their romulan characters).
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It has all the abilities of a science vessel. I think it's just mislabeled.
Well, we know the NPC Jem'Hadar Battleship has SNB and the Breen Frigate has Tractor Beam, indicating Science as well...so I'm honestly not so sure we can go by their abilities.
Designed for fast, efficent strikes and a campaign of "psychological warefare" with its striking, bird-like appearance. The Draconairus carries two powerful forward mounted plasma cannons which are capable of powerful bursts.
Special Console: Plasma Cannon Lance - Similar to the Phaser Lance and Disruptor Lance on the Galaxy-X and Gurumba ships but fires two weaker lances with a much more powerful DoT then traditional plasma weapons and increased slow.
Probably owned by Wizards of the Coast who bought FASA. I would love to see my Winged Defender V-30 in the game, it would make me go **sqeeeeee**.
I'd happily give them the rights to use my Fvillha design ;-)
From your lips to the devs ears, that was my Wallpaper for a very long time.
New home of the Romulan Republic.
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. I would love to see my Winged Defender V-30 in the game, it would make me go **sqeeeeee**.
I always liked that ship design. There were some nice Romulan designs in that material. Perhaps the ship design people could look at that source material for inspiration/ideas.
That is probably the only FASA design that I like. That large D'deridex on its side is called Tomalak's Fist in the novels. The Romulan scoutship could be the first escort.
In the novels, the Scimitar was based off of a Jem'Hadar dreadnought that was captured by the Tal Shiar and built by the Reman workers in a secret shipyard. It was found by Shinzon.
A reference to the Graceful Flyer would be nice as well. Not the most attractive ship because of how the nacelle is placed, but it will sit well with a lot of longtime Trek gamers.
As long as the TOS BoP is a skin for the modern ones, I will be very happy. A Fleet version TOS style BoP retrofit would be awesome.
I love Romulans but hate the Warbird designs. The BoP (Romulan) is one of my fave ships in all of Trek.)
I would also be happy with a B'Rel BoP as a Romulan variant, as a reference to the overlap in the ship technology.
A reference to the phasing cloak is a must. Klingons get Advanced Battle Cloak on the fleet B'Rell. A Fleet Warbird and/or BoP with Phasing Cloak would rock. Perhaps have it give the same bonus as the Subspace Field Modulator while cloaked.
This ship looks awesome but since it's not in the shows, cryptic has no right to use the design. Unless they buy the rights. They did it for the vesta but they had enough feds to cover the costs. In this case it would be a very risky choice since they don't know if the romulan faction will be a success (with people buying ships and investing in their romulan characters).
Wow. Every few years I google the ship name (I designed/created the Kerchan)...I'm a bit surprised its still popular
I'm pretty sure I'd be quite happy to see Cryptic use it...hell, we could probably work out an arrangement that costs them nothing. I'd probably be happy enough just to get my name mentioned somewhere....that's Rick Snider (known to many as Hobbes!)
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For years, I commented that if Cryptic ever made a Romulan faction, they could make variations and give it each of the three-names. Which after the Odyssey, Bortasque, Vesta, and the Andorian escorts, that possbility could very well happen.
The Valdore could be the Engineering version (a destroyer-type).
The Mogai the Escort.
The Norexian the Science Ship (Sci-scort).
(Of course, depends if Cryptic is allowed to use the name Norexian, from the Card Game).
My character Tsin'xing
Meh, my spelling is cooler sounding. :P
D7- lower lvl cruiser
Scout- lower lvl science ship
Fvillha(romulan raptor) - escort
Mogai/Valdore/Norexan - destroyer with three class variants(i think he is too big on escort)
Kerchan- cruiser
D'Deridex - battlecruiser with three class variants
Drone(scorpion) carrier-carrier
Scimitar - tank (with 5 fore and 4 aft weapons slots)
and Shadow class destroyer with phase cloak for lifetimers
Yes, the Kerchan class (937m) is realy nice , but she is not longer than D'Deridex(1353m)
Romulan BoPs are Cruisers, not Escorts. They were slow and unmanuverable.
Fvillha and Kerchan - lets stick to canonical ships. :P
Since all Romulan ships are Warbirds, be interesting how they handle an Escort and Science Branches. Though wouldn't be surprised they have Reman ships handle as Escorts.
Yes , you are right, but in 25.century they are an escorts
And Fvillha - the Romulans needs escorts like raptor and Kerchan is my favourite design ,
i know non-canon from games
The vertical setup Warbird that was brought up earlier was a concept design for the D'Deridex I think...
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That was created by Andrew Probert for the Ships of the Line Calander.
On Doug Drexler's blog, Probert asked if he wanted to see it in STO, he said no.
Only the Mogai, not Warbirds in general.
Warbirds are supposed to be somewhere between Battlecruisers and Cruisers in capability. Klingon Battlecruisers are made for offense, Federation Cruisers for balanced fighting, while Romulans use sneak attacks, but can't sustain a prolonged fight.
I always liked Suricata's F'villha, but we know Cryptic doesn't buy up fan-made designs.
The only fanmade designs they did use, were those from the DTNE contest.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/D%27deridex_class
Scroll down to "Design".
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And your point is?
and Fvillha is Suricata's copyright? ok, than make a little bit different romulan raptor
May I ask where you get that information about Romulan BoP's being escorts?
Best to my knowledge, they are Frigates (similar to the Mirandas). Unless you are confusing Klingon BoP's (which many regard as escort, when really they are Raiders).
I mean we have an NPC Nebula in this game that is a cruiser.
So the Mogai might just as well end up as a cruiser fo some sort and the Romulan BoP could end up as a counterpart for the Klingon BoP or Raptor or something inbetween without any problem.
Prime example why I stick with 3-d models...darn I wish I could draw like that.:(
Good work!:)
I'd happily give them the rights to use my Fvillha design ;-)
This ship looks awesome but since it's not in the shows, cryptic has no right to use the design. Unless they buy the rights. They did it for the vesta but they had enough feds to cover the costs. In this case it would be a very risky choice since they don't know if the romulan faction will be a success (with people buying ships and investing in their romulan characters).
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
It has all the abilities of a science vessel. I think it's just mislabeled.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Well, we know the NPC Jem'Hadar Battleship has SNB and the Breen Frigate has Tractor Beam, indicating Science as well...so I'm honestly not so sure we can go by their abilities.
Probably owned by Wizards of the Coast who bought FASA. I would love to see my Winged Defender V-30 in the game, it would make me go **sqeeeeee**.
From your lips to the devs ears, that was my Wallpaper for a very long time.
I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
I always liked that ship design. There were some nice Romulan designs in that material. Perhaps the ship design people could look at that source material for inspiration/ideas.
In the novels, the Scimitar was based off of a Jem'Hadar dreadnought that was captured by the Tal Shiar and built by the Reman workers in a secret shipyard. It was found by Shinzon.
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Whitewing_class
A reference to the Graceful Flyer would be nice as well. Not the most attractive ship because of how the nacelle is placed, but it will sit well with a lot of longtime Trek gamers.
As long as the TOS BoP is a skin for the modern ones, I will be very happy. A Fleet version TOS style BoP retrofit would be awesome.
I love Romulans but hate the Warbird designs. The BoP (Romulan) is one of my fave ships in all of Trek.)
I would also be happy with a B'Rel BoP as a Romulan variant, as a reference to the overlap in the ship technology.
A reference to the phasing cloak is a must. Klingons get Advanced Battle Cloak on the fleet B'Rell. A Fleet Warbird and/or BoP with Phasing Cloak would rock. Perhaps have it give the same bonus as the Subspace Field Modulator while cloaked.
A little more effort and that might've made me chuckle. :rolleyes:
Can't help but to think of the Assault Gunboat in Starwars.
Wow. Every few years I google the ship name (I designed/created the Kerchan)...I'm a bit surprised its still popular
I'm pretty sure I'd be quite happy to see Cryptic use it...hell, we could probably work out an arrangement that costs them nothing. I'd probably be happy enough just to get my name mentioned somewhere....that's Rick Snider (known to many as Hobbes!)