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Can a cruiser do spike damage and replace an escort?

naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
edited July 2013 in PvP Gameplay
Tiered of flying the same old escorts and looking for a challenge? Try to build a cruiser that can spike and potentially replace an escort in team based PvP.

Whose up for the challenge?

I know for a fact it is very very doable. Go on, impress yourselves :)
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    its actually harder to make an Escort capable of sustained damage
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  • borgresearcherborgresearcher Member Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    i dont think a cruiser can spike, spike is'nt only an overload

    cruisers don't have a well compensated tanking capability to balance with the lack of dps
    and don't do it, dem might be nerfed

    but try this in the fleet assault
    tt1, bo2, apo1 or bo3
    hy1 with omega torpedo
    epts1 rsp dem2 dem3
    et1 auxtosif1
    he1 tss2

    it might work with the thunderchild console to rip some shields, then, the omega torpedo and dem should do the rest, but i dont see a good spike build for a cruiser
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Stack your power
    Use Dual beam banks
    fire a serious torp launcher
    AND deploy secondaries (turrets , fighters etc) you can do just as much damage as the average escort
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  • saxfiresaxfire Member Posts: 558 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Ferengi D'kora.... there is your cruiser/escort... also.. there is that one klingon cruiser with ltc and lt tac stations.
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  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    It is probably possible, but I don't see much use for it. A cruiser that can put out sustained damage through an aux2bat build or similar would be of more use I think.
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  • borgresearcherborgresearcher Member Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    i think he was talking about real cruisers
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    i think it is harder to build a spike dmg fed cruiser than a support escort...

    only 3 ships come in mind: D'kora, the galaxy X, dreadnought carrier

    d'kora was explained already so i leave it at that

    the galaxy X may have potential when coming out of cloak with DHC...but it will allways lack high ranking tac boff powers and maneuverability...so i would say forget that ship.
    dreadnought carrier has potential to be bursty, but i think it will be hard to bring those weapons on target in PVP.

    klingons have it better...fleet vorcha with great boff layout, cloak, DHC
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  • havamhavam Member Posts: 1,735 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    pfft if you want a challenge fly an eng and be usefull.

    Glad that TAc's in cruisers can spike, god forbid that Tacs would be useless in any given combo.

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  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    havam wrote: »
    pfft if you want a challenge fly an eng and be usefull.

    Glad that TAc's in cruisers can spike, god forbid that Tacs would be useless in any given combo.

    *cue sprinkles*

    Flogging a dead horse is pointless :)
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Galaxy-X :P, you have the phaser lance and ramming speed for superior spike :P
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  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    Galaxy-X :P, you have the phaser lance and ramming speed for superior spike :P

    Don't forget the well timed Abandon Ship at the end. :rolleyes:
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Fleet Regent w/ Eng Captain

    Traits - Accurate, Elusive, Astrophysicist, Warp Theorist

    Passives
    New Rom - Precision, Emergency Secondary Shielding, (QSM)
    Omega - Omega Weapon Training, Omega Graviton Amplifier

    BO1, BO2, APO1
    TT1
    EPtS1, EPtW2, EWP1, DEM3
    ET1, RSP1
    HE1, TSS2

    2x Rom Tac BOFFs, 3x Human BOFFs

    DOFFs - SDO(BFI), MAS(EWP), SE(DEM), 2x DCE(EPt)

    Deflector - AMACO Mk XII
    Engine - Omega Mk XII
    Shields - Omega Mk XII

    Weapons
    Fore - Hyper-Plasma Torp, Omega Torp, Experimental Beam, Romulan DBB [CrtH]x2
    Aft - Cutting Beam, 3x Romulan Turret [CrtH]x2

    Consoles
    Tac - 4x Plasma Infuser Mk XII
    Eng - Borg, 0Point, Tachyo, Neut Mk XII
    Sci - 2x Rom Flow [Pla]

    Devices - RMC, SFM, Wep Batt, Eng Batt

    I can explain the reasoning behind any of this (including the Eng Captain instead of a Tac) if anybody cares. It's obvious to me...but I'm flaky, so I might be missing something obvious too.
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    smokeybacon90 wrote: »
    Don't forget the well timed Abandon Ship at the end. :rolleyes:

    Hush. A kirking G-X stacking leadership doffs works quite well while pugging. Do not know about those mythical "serious" "only way" "true" pvp matches though. I'm no expert in mythology.

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    double A2B
    500%+ hull regen
    20s RSP

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  • havamhavam Member Posts: 1,735 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    naz4 wrote: »
    Flogging a dead horse is pointless :)

    Oh I'll be floggin it until I either get a re-career token, they become usefull, or jorf deletes all his non-eng toons.
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  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    havam wrote: »

    *cue sprinkles*

    With a slight drizzle of theta vinaigrette.
  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    naz4 wrote: »
    Tiered of flying the same old escorts and looking for a challenge? Try to build a cruiser that can spike and potentially replace an escort in team based PvP.

    Whose up for the challenge?

    I know for a fact it is very very doable. Go on, impress yourselves :)


    I'm sorry, but don't you know escorts tank as well as cruisers now?

    I read it on STOwiki, and I tried to shoot one bugship this one time. He flying SO FAST with APO and EM and I couldn't shoot him down.

    We had to call the army and the airforce and the knights templar to kill him.
  • matcapcrapticpwematcapcrapticpwe Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    this is the best cruiser with spike damage!!! :P
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Xut_OMlAVyY#t=51s

    but in STO it's a different thing.....
    btw i love a tactical character in a temporal destroyer or in a Dkora ship
  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    ussultimatum wrote: »
    With a slight drizzle of theta vinaigrette.

    Is that reference to the forum clown havam?
  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    cruiser with 1 beam, 2 beam over loads and dem. doff it up. use torps/mines for the other weapon slots.

    either you kill'm in the beam overload combo or you dont. the rest of the beams wouldnt really be doing much anyways.

    oh and make sure its antiproton for the extra kick.


    i think the exceslior because it has the ltcmdr tac... but it is a bit more squishy...
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  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    maicake716 wrote: »
    i think the exceslior because it has the ltcmdr tac... but it is a bit more squishy...

    Squishy? :confused:


    The Fleet Excelsior has a 1.1 Shield Mod and base 42.9k hull.

    Which, using dedicated napkin math, will be north of 10k shields per facing and 55k+ hull.
  • joshephooperjoshephooper Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Yes!!! There are at least three in my fleet alone. I fly a RA Assault Cruiser that does heavy end game spike damage. Just use plasma weapons.
  • mustafatennickmustafatennick Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    joshephooper wrote: »
    Yes!!! There are at least three in my fleet alone. I fly a RA Assault Cruiser that does heavy end game spike damage. Just use plasma weapons.

    This is a pvp thread...
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  • ocp001ocp001 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Assuming equal heal support for a spike cruiser and escort I'd say yes.

    Fleet excelsior, fleet assault cruiser refit can be unbelievably lethal.

    The real determining factor is pilot skill. Your escort will always have better maneuverability and battlefield control.

    Tax buffed:

    Romulan hyper flux + FOMM + BO3/2 on a DEM3 Marion doff setup... Does horrible things to other ships. So long as you can lob everything off in 8 seconds!

    Emojoe's little blurb about cycling beam overloads is actually very valid on fed cruisers.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    kdf cruisers can be escort replacers, they wont hit quite as hard but they also wont need as much support. 3 DHCs and THY1 has got me plenty of quick kills. heavily powered up glider and DEM3 can be quite the drawn out fight equalizer though.

    cruisers like the dkora and excelsior that can make use of DBBs and the DEM doff that have strong tac skills can spike that way too.


    the all beam array builds or all singles and turret builds are still useless though
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  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    cruisers like the dkora and excelsior that can make use of DBBs and the DEM doff that have strong tac skills can spike that way too.


    And the Regent, the Galor and the Ody in saucer separation mode.
  • rudiefix1rudiefix1 Member Posts: 420
    edited March 2013
    borgresearcher wrote: »
    i dont think a cruiser can spike, spike is'nt only an overload

    cruisers don't have a well compensated tanking capability to balance with the lack of dps
    and don't do it, dem might be nerfed

    but try this in the fleet assault
    tt1, bo2, apo1 or bo3
    hy1 with omega torpedo
    epts1 rsp dem2 dem3
    et1 auxtosif1
    he1 tss2

    it might work with the thunderchild console to rip some shields, then, the omega torpedo and dem should do the rest, but i dont see a good spike build for a cruiser

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  • mavhaxmavhax Member Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    kdf cruisers can be escort replacers, they wont hit quite as hard but they also wont need as much support. 3 DHCs and THY1 has got me plenty of quick kills. heavily powered up glider and DEM3 can be quite the drawn out fight equalizer though.

    cruisers like the dkora and excelsior that can make use of DBBs and the DEM doff that have strong tac skills can spike that way too.


    the all beam array builds or all singles and turret builds are still useless though

    Pretty much this.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    The fleet vorcha does a good job with (2) DHCs, DBB and torp buffed by TI ApA Dem3 Bo2 Csv3 with A2b and weapon battery.
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  • livinrtblivinrtb Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Heya Naz

    have i got build for you. I call it the Wizards 1st Rule and it is as bad azz as they come, my bet is once you try it you will be done with escorts for a while. Just drop me line in game and we can pop on boot camp server and I will link ya the build.

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