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The Romulan Conundrum

capthaydencapthayden Member Posts: 57 Arc User
Well, folks, you asked for it and it is definately coming. A Romulan faction. However, I suspect this is going to prove even more difficult for Cryptic than they initially suspected.

The Romulans are no longer just another group or coalition of races with green and purple hues and ships that cloak. Based on the story arc, we can say with reasonable certainly that there are now two (yes TWO) distinct sub-groups of "Romulans" and I'm hoping Cryptic will reflect this in their implimentation of missions and reputations to come for our new pointy-eared players.

Faction 1 - The Empire

This is the Romulan Star Empire of old: The Empire we grew up watching and loving, the group which spawned the Tal Shair, the group that gave Klingons the ability to cloak their ships, while they embraced warp drive and used it as the launching platform to build an Empire. You didn't seriously suspect that the loss of Romulus would cripple the enitre empire did you? Last we heard, the government was re-established on Rator III. Empress Sela (a classic villian) lives on and is confirmed for the upcoming faction. Hopefully, we see this dark side of the faction realised in the upcoming installment. And don't forget about other classic Romulan heroes such as Tomalak, I doubt he knuckled under and joined Detan's band of refugees who ran to the Empire's enemies for protection. These are the die-hard, fantatical, loyal Romulans who will strive to keep the Empire alive and give it new life from within, not from outside assistance.

Faction 2 - The Republic

These are the refugees, led by Detan, who are breaking free of the tyranny of a crushing Empire. (Now, I haven't played through the whole story arc involving New Romulus so I may be a little off in my analysis.) But these are the folks who seized the opportunity the destruction of Romulus provided to get out from under the eye of the Tal Shair and live free. (Ironic that they solicited the Klingons seeking aid, when you think about it.) But regardless, these people are trying to build a new regime based on peace and cooperation as opposed to war and conquest. Openly accepting aid from former enemies, this fledgling power is gradually gaining strength and will no doubt become a major power in the quadrant in decades to come.

I'm hoping Cryptic realises there are two distinct roads a Romulan player could decide to traverse and if the Devs are really on their game; you'll get the option to choose which flag you'll fly: Detan's or Sela's.

... Long live the Empire! :D
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  • sernonserculionsernonserculion Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I can live with a strong Republic, if the alternative is a weak Empire. Endless compromise and admittance of weakness, following by sucking it up to everyone else is however not an alternative. That's just like dropping the Romulan spirit like a shield in surrender.

    Dynamic [Universal Translator alternative suggestion: False] promises to some extent, is an honorable alternative to extinction though. But only up to a point. You cannot live on borrowed time forever.

    If you must become the very essence of that which you despise, even in order to survive, you will only end up hating your own existence. Unholy alliances and alien influences must be kept to a minimum!

    The cultural essence of the Romulan people, has easily been confused with the presence of certain minorities of late. And as the actions of few has been taken as the will of the many, the larger picture has been forgotten, or obscured by a collection of smaller groups altogether!

    The real goal here is to find that collective essence, that genuine common culture, not use endless excuses to bypass the values that defines a Romulan. When he is no longer a Romulan, the fight is over, in life or in death. This is a fight for the Romulan culture, as well as for basic survival. Never forget that, and you will do much better!

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  • redshirtthefirstredshirtthefirst Member Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Where does it say D'tan is leading the 'republic'?
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  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I would love it if we at least had an option, but from the information we have so far it looks like the Romulan Faction experience will be "...exclusively from the Romulan Republic's point of view." (from the teaser page) In fact, Cryptic seem to have made a conscious decision to distance the Romulan faction from the Romulan Star Empire of old that so many of us have grown accustomed and fond of not only by removing not only the cultural and political elements of the RSE, but even going so far as to remove all traces of their classic TNG-era attire, and even small things such as the ability to give our ships the prefix IRW (Imperial Romulan Warbird), instead replacing it with RRW (Romulan Republic Warbird, I assume). Cryptic is actively rewriting Romulans as a concept. I wonder, is it still a 'Roomulan' Faction if there is nothing in common between the Romulan Republic and the Romulan Star Empire except Pointy ears, a ridged forehead, and a few romulan ships?
  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I think you'll level up as one of Sela's minions, then, at level 50, have the option of defecting to D'tan's new Romulan Republic. At least, that's the way I would set it up.

    That would allow for inter-faction and cross-faction pvp without any convoluted justifications, and allow them to get plenty of mileage from Denise Crosby in the interim.
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  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    i don't like D'Tan.. he seems kinda "TRIBBLE" to me
  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    *snip*

    Keep in mind that we have a screenshot showing a Romulan Players ship labeled as 'RRW' instead of 'IRW'-the designation of the Romulan Star Empire, unless our ship designation changes as the result of an episode, it seems likely that we won't be members of the RSE for long, if at all. perhaps the player rebels as part of the tutorial mission?
    duaths1 wrote: »
    i don't like D'Tan.. he seems kinda "TRIBBLE" to me


    While I can sympathize with D'tan and the reunificationists, a big part of the 'reunification' 2-parter for TNG (in which D'tan appeared as a the child of soem reunificationists) was that they were an underground movement of Romulans who idolized the Vulcan teachings and culture, as opposed to Romulan culture. They really did not 'fit in' with the Romulan Star Empire, which being a xenophobic totalitarian government, cracked down on them. Aligning the Romulan players with a similar faction to D'Tans(it needs to be noted that there isn't any evidence yet that D'Tan's faction is the Romulan Republic) by *default*, a group that were outsiders within their own culture seems like the devs are missing what makes Romulans 'Romulan'. D'Tan was a member of the Romulan species but he by no means was a member of the romulan culture. He was a vulcan at heart, and the devs seem to be making all romulan players into romulans-in-species-only without any say in the matter.
  • gaalomgaalom Member Posts: 531 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Well op your wrong about one thing. There are in fact three factions within the Romulan people. The first is the Tal shair thats allied with the Iconanis, which is still bent on destroying half the galaxy, and conquering the rest. The other two you pointed out correctly, the star Empire portion who faces the rebels, aka republic.

    Ive been here and gone in sto for years, but this is something worth playing. To me its a dream come true. Many of us at launch had planned our first characters to be Romulan. Now we will get that chance. I do hope they let us fight for the Star Empire faction, I have no interest in this republic. Oh and a genocidal attack or two on the Iconians would be fine with me.

    Aside from being able to choose to fight for the Star Empire, my other concern is the cost. The zen is overpriced. If they give us a straight up cost of 10 to 15 dollors for the expansion, and we get everything including a D'deridex class warbird. I got no issues with that. This being said what I dont want to happen, is I get the expansion, and then have to pay 20 dollors or more for that class of warbird.
  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Where does it say D'tan is leading the 'republic'?

    He might not be the leader, but he's more like the "figurehead" of the group, the most prominent person behind it but not the one who's in charge ultimately. So while he might not be leader, he's most likely the "admiral quinn" of the faction in that you talk to him a lot for your missions.
  • jaadorjaador Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    duaths1 wrote: »
    i don't like D'Tan.. he seems kinda "TRIBBLE" to me
    That sounds more like your problem than his.
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    duaths1 wrote: »
    i don't like D'Tan.. he seems kinda "TRIBBLE" to me

    Dude, come on. Is it too much to ask for you not to resort to homophobic language?
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  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    gaalom wrote: »
    Well op your wrong about one thing. There are in fact three factions within the Romulan people. The first is the Tal shair thats allied with the Iconanis, which is still bent on destroying half the galaxy, and conquering the rest. The other two you pointed out correctly, the star Empire portion who faces the rebels, aka republic.

    Ive been here and gone in sto for years, but this is something worth playing. To me its a dream come true. Many of us at launch had planned our first characters to be Romulan. Now we will get that chance. I do hope they let us fight for the Star Empire faction, I have no interest in this republic. Oh and a genocidal attack or two on the Iconians would be fine with me.

    Aside from being able to choose to fight for the Star Empire, my other concern is the cost. The zen is overpriced. If they give us a straight up cost of 10 to 15 dollors for the expansion, and we get everything including a D'deridex class warbird. I got no issues with that. This being said what I dont want to happen, is I get the expansion, and then have to pay 20 dollors or more for that class of warbird.
    I don't care about the Romulan Republic or D'Tan either, and would relish the chance to fight under the Romulan Star Empire, but you might want to prepare yourself for a little bit of disappointment.

    From The teaser page:

    "Play as a Romulan or Reman and immerse yourself in new story-driven missions written exclusively from the Romulan Republic's point of view."

    Not the Romulan Star Empire, but the Romulan Republic will be the sole focus of the Romulan faction. No arrogant and ambitious conquerers, but a bunch of freedom fighters actively fightign against the Romulan Star Empire.
  • gaalomgaalom Member Posts: 531 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Yea I saw that to, but maybe, they will realize that most people want to fight as the star empire.
  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    gaalom wrote: »
    Yea I saw that to, but maybe, they will realize that most people want to fight as the star empire.

    I really, really hope that will be the case. I'm not optimistic, but I continue to hope.

    Their decision is really odd though. It's aas if they saw the Romulan reunificationists from the two episodes of TNG and thought 'yes, this is what people want to play as. Speratists who want nothing to do with the Romulan Star Empire, why would anyone want to play as the Romulan Star Empire?"
  • genericolagenericola Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    are we 100% sure that by romulan republic they are refering to the new romulus romulans?
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    genericola wrote: »
    are we 100% sure that by romulan republic they are refering to the new romulus romulans?

    No... We are not.
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  • malakhglitchmalakhglitch Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    We aren't sure, but signs point to Mol'Rihan as the so-called Romulan Republic.
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  • tmassxtmassx Member Posts: 831 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    gaalom wrote: »
    Yea I saw that to, but maybe, they will realize that most people want to fight as the star empire.

    I mean the new Romulan Republic under civil government of the Senate with capitol on Achernar Prime been a whole playable faction in opposite non-playable traitorous and militaristic group under Sela's rule with base on RatorIII.
    Or do you think that the Romulan Empire been help our own D'Tan's separatist on Mol'Rihan?
  • elvenaarelvenaar Member Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    gaalom wrote: »

    Aside from being able to choose to fight for the Star Empire, my other concern is the cost. The zen is overpriced. If they give us a straight up cost of 10 to 15 dollors for the expansion, and we get everything including a D'deridex class warbird. I got no issues with that. This being said what I dont want to happen, is I get the expansion, and then have to pay 20 dollors or more for that class of warbird.

    So you're saying the expansion is gonna be a pay to play version? I sure as hell hope not. They went F2P, they should stay F2P then.
  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    We aren't sure, but signs point to Mol'Rihan as the so-called Romulan Republic.

    The wiki lists New Romulus as the "New Romulan Empire", not the Romulan Republic. Also, New Romulan ships are still tagged with I.R.W. and not R.R.W.
    Furthermore, New Romulus is neutral, giving rep to all sides. The Republic obviously will not be, they will likely seek their own interests and not pander to everyone for the sake of survival like D'Tan does.

    So no, they won't be the same.
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    elvenaar wrote: »
    So you're saying the expansion is gonna be a pay to play version? I sure as hell hope not. They went F2P, they should stay F2P then.

    it's going to be free, just as stated by branflakes
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  • tmassxtmassx Member Posts: 831 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I hope the STO continue in F2P with 50lvl ships and additional costumes for Z and special romulan ship for lifetimers.
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I'd just like to note that D'tan isn't a figurehead, and is referred to as 'Proconsul' in the Hidden Camera cutscene.
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    mimey2 wrote: »
    I'd just like to note that D'tan isn't a figurehead, and is referred to as 'Proconsul' in the Hidden Camera cutscene.

    Doesn't mean hes in charge of the new faction. if they continue with the roman tradition, a Proconsul is a Governor. So he's important in the government, but not in charge and is seen a lot with non-faction people. Sounds like a figurehead to me :p
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I really, really hope that will be the case. I'm not optimistic, but I continue to hope.

    Their decision is really odd though. It's aas if they saw the Romulan reunificationists from the two episodes of TNG and thought 'yes, this is what people want to play as. Speratists who want nothing to do with the Romulan Star Empire, why would anyone want to play as the Romulan Star Empire?"
    This is fascinating. There's been three years of Cryptic raining on the other faction's parade. And now you somehow think it will be different with the Romulans?

    Klingons weren't even given proper tricorders. And you want to be part of the Romulan Star Empire? Hahahahahahahahah.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Hopefully an early mission will be to "restore order" on new Romulus
    At disruptor point
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  • brigadooombrigadooom Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    duaths1 wrote: »
    i don't like D'Tan.. he seems kinda "TRIBBLE" to me

    Grow up. :rolleyes:
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  • tpalelenatpalelena Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    sollvax wrote: »
    Hopefully an early mission will be to "restore order" on new Romulus
    At disruptor point

    Hm... the tal'shiar is already trying that, much to my nausicaan's delight.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Yes but we could do it properly

    there is no excuse for all this Republicanism
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  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    This is fascinating. There's been three years of Cryptic raining on the other faction's parade. And now you somehow think it will be different with the Romulans?

    Klingons weren't even given proper tricorders. And you want to be part of the Romulan Star Empire? Hahahahahahahahah.
    Oh come off your high horse, in case you haven't noticed, during those three years, there hasn't been a Romulan Faction at all. Come back and complain again when the Klingons were cut from the game and implemented in the silliest way possible years later. This is comparable to finding out that a Klingon faction that you had waited years for was being based off of the Pacifist Klingon-Romulan colony from TNG, and the player was fighting to overthrow the tyranny of the Klingon Empire instead. Would you be happy if that was the case? I don't think many KDF players would be.
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