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    dantheiceman1dantheiceman1 Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    no my faith in cryptic is not back, and nor will it be for quite awhile

    while this game and never-winter are doing VERY well, they basically skim all of the people from champions online.

    this angers me a great deal because with full dev team in champs it could do almost as well as STO, if they put love and resources into it

    which they don't, they just let that game sit and rot and drive away the player base even WITH city of heroes closing
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    yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited March 2013

    Faith in Cryptic, Is it back?
    No. Not in the least.

    First: too many disappointments over the years. Many big announcements, but most of them revealed as hot air.

    Second: I am sure the devs WILL build in some real lame details like a complete dissappointing Dederidex Warbird, and things like that.

    Third: No matter what they do, i first start to get a tiny bit of confidence in them, when they have remade the Galaxy Class or Starfleet Cruisers in general to become more than just target practices for enemy escorts.

    Fourth: as long as certain people are in charge, Cryptic is still lightyears away from being in a position i can take them for serious.

    Fifth: Endgame "content", as long as cryptic thinks that endless grinding is supposed a satisfying alternative for real content, like a Exploration overhaul or story missions in a regular interval, they are far away from being trusted by me.

    "...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--" - (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie

    A tale of two Picards
    (also applies to Star Trek in general)
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    tsurutafan01tsurutafan01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Second: I am sure the devs WILL build in some real lame details like a complete dissappointing Dederidex Warbird, and things like that.

    I sort of assume it will be stuck in Tier IV hell with most of the other actually good ships that anyone actually wants to use. But that seems kind of obvious given the past history, and I can... live with it. I guess.
    Fifth: Endgame "content", as long as cryptic thinks that endless grinding is supposed a satisfying alternative for real content, like a Exploration overhaul or story missions in a regular interval, they are far away from being trusted by me.

    I still disagree here though. The story missions in this game are generally "go here, press F, the text means nothing" which is in the way of actual content where you play the game. Most of them suck and feel like some odd backstep into the mid-1990's of gameplay. I'm not opposed to adding more story missions (even if there are like 80 of them already), but if it's going to be the focus going forward this game is pretty screwed. There's nothing wrong with the STF stuff where at least there's some real gameplay for a change, but there needs to be more variety.

    I think the key is that they have to find a balance of developing in both directions. You're never going to make everyone happy all the time, but you do have to hedge your bets here as much as possible.


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    jentryjentry Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I guess I'm one of the rare people who never lost hope or faith in this game.

    When I heard about the possibility of a Star Trek MMO, I watched and waited and joined the forums as soon as I could. I hoped and prayed to get into the closed beta (which I didn't). I downloaded STO the moment I could for open beta, and when the subscription deals came around I purchased a lifetime membership without hesitation regardless of all the issues, bugs, and imbalance there was in beta.

    I have never felt like it was a mistake or waste of money. I have always felt that Cryptic have tried to stay close to Star Trek lore, that they've tried to fix the issues that have arisen, that they've tried to give us a new Trek experience with an old Trek feel.

    Now they've shown us the Romulan faction, and I am quite pleased. I have a couple of Vice Admirals (and one Rear Admiral Upper, couple of captains, and a lieutenant or two) on the Fed side, and a Lieutenant General (and a captain, and several commanders) on the Klingon side, so a new faction will let me do something fresh. Even if the Romulans have only as much content as the Klingons did at launch I will gladly play one because I know it will be something different, something new, and something Trek.

    In spite of all their flaws, going f2p, and PWE I still think they try their best. So no, I never lost faith in Cryptic.
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    scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    capnmanx wrote: »
    Every developer, no matter how many games they've made that I like, can still produce games that I do not. I don't put 'faith' in companies, just individual products. If I didn't like the product, I wouldn't play it; and if I didn't think the product still had lots of potential, I wouldn't waste my time discussing its future on the internet.

    ^THIS^

    In fact, I uninstalled Champions Online just last week. Not really because I didn't think it was a good game but, because it just wasn't my cup of tea. I did not play it often enough to warrant it taking up that much space on my machine. If I don't find myself play TLOTR Online more soon, it will be next. I love STO and will continue to play. I had a blast with Neverwinter two weeks ago and will be playing it. I like TOR and play it from time to time.
    jentry wrote: »
    I guess I'm one of the rare people who never lost hope or faith in this game.

    When I heard about the possibility of a Star Trek MMO, I watched and waited and joined the forums as soon as I could. I hoped and prayed to get into the closed beta (which I didn't). I downloaded STO the moment I could for open beta, and when the subscription deals came around I purchased a lifetime membership without hesitation regardless of all the issues, bugs, and imbalance there was in beta.

    I have never felt like it was a mistake or waste of money. I have always felt that Cryptic have tried to stay close to Star Trek lore, that they've tried to fix the issues that have arisen, that they've tried to give us a new Trek experience with an old Trek feel.

    Now they've shown us the Romulan faction, and I am quite pleased. I have a couple of Vice Admirals (and one Rear Admiral Upper, couple of captains, and a lieutenant or two) on the Fed side, and a Lieutenant General (and a captain, and several commanders) on the Klingon side, so a new faction will let me do something fresh. Even if the Romulans have only as much content as the Klingons did at launch I will gladly play one because I know it will be something different, something new, and something Trek.

    In spite of all their flaws, going f2p, and PWE I still think they try their best. So no, I never lost faith in Cryptic.

    No, you are not the only one. I understand that Cryptic had a rough time between the hiring freeze from Atari, the sell of Cryptic to PWE, and the conversion to F2P. Do I wish they could have done things better? Yes.
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    oldkhemaraaoldkhemaraa Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    BIG wait and see here as of yet.

    Finishing the KDF (or at least getting it to around 80% of Fed mission content) in such a way that new players to sto can start as KDF is a good thing.

    And entire brand spanking new third faction with the needed tutorial, mission content, ships, rep system, fleet system, DOFF system additions? Ok, THAT is a lot of stuff, and way way more then the studio has ever tried pulling off before.

    revamped UI, with color customization..character creator revamp (mostly the UI)
    another skills revamp. plus other odds and ends...EEK!

    Ok, I don't know how much they are going to be able to deliver but May and June are going to be plug full of down days as patches and fixes get pushed out if they do manage all of that!

    This could be totally awesome or it could be one of the greater marketting errors in MMO history. I of course wold prefer the former, but this is a real high goal thats been set with a lot that needs to work more or less right on release.

    I wish the studio people luck, and much good wishes. I think I would have been a tad more conservative.

    Basing thier release around someone else product (ST:ID) is always a risky proposition, so hopefully they're a lot further ahead then they've been in the past and are all ready well into the QA final phase of the development for this expansion and are now working on fine tuning, and squeezing some extra goodies in.

    Wait and see time.. check with me in 2 months.
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    purplegamerpurplegamer Member Posts: 1,015 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I'm cautiously optimistic, which is saying a lot. I knew they were going to announce an RSE faction, but I was pleasantly surprised by the breadth and scope of the May update. Changes to traits, content, the sorely-needed UI overhaul--it's not stuff I expected.

    The announcement is enough for Cryptic to have my attention again and I'm certainly going to take them a little more seriously.
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    scramspamscramspam Member Posts: 73 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Try to understand when this faction first arrives it proly wont have a bunch of ships.We will start with a skeleton then after maybe 2 months get flesh then after a while longer we will be gifted with skin.I wouldnt advise getting online on the 21st expecting every possible rommi ship in game. What you can expect is a group of ships to start off the faction.I am very excited about this new faction and hope it will be awesome!
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    acoldtacoldt Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Here's a question for people that I should add. If you hate this game, hate the grind, and don't think it will get better, why do you still play and still hang out on the forums?
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    hrisvalarhrisvalar Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    We'll see...

    Edit: Oh, and I can answer that for you. Those people came here for the first two words in the game's title, that's why they stay and that's why they care. And frankly, you shouldn't have had to ask that out loud.
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    neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    acoldt wrote: »
    Here's a question for people that I should add. If you hate this game, hate the grind, and don't think it will get better, why do you still play and still hang out on the forums?

    Same reason people stalk their Ex Girlfriends on face book...they are hurt and want revenge.
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    dixoniumdixonium Member Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    acoldt wrote: »
    For years we've all had our doubts that Cryptic could pull it together and make this game a true Trek experience.

    This statement doesn't speak for all of us! I enjoy the Trek experience offered by Star Trek Online, and I've never doubted Cryptic's dedication or capabilities.
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    snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    acoldt wrote: »
    Here's a question for people that I should add. If you hate this game, hate the grind, and don't think it will get better, why do you still play and still hang out on the forums?
    If there some other game that let you fly an oberth online right now, then your question might be worth asking?
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    acoldtacoldt Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    If there some other game that let you fly an oberth online right now, then your question might be worth asking?

    Star Trek: Bridge Commander has H2H server function and a modding community that hasn't died in 10 years. You can play whatever you want with that, it even has realistic damage and space flight. I even still have it installed and play it from time to time in quickbattle mode. (Mine's too modded to play h2h)
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    pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    If there some other game that let you fly an oberth online right now, then your question might be worth asking?

    There are plenty of those old school games that can still be played, are still played with players actually enjoying them. And some of them can be played online!

    Perhaps those games would be more suitable for the likes of the posters that want STO to just be those old games repackaged.

    Why should Cryptic have to regress, go backwards or in reverse in order to make a game to soothe the savage posters holding these forums hostage with their threats of outrage?

    Why can't Cryptic just continue to make their game their way and move their game progressively forward? ;)
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    mikeflmikefl Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Source unverified, but I'm hoping to get at least a name for the liberally paraphrased statement.

    Let me see if I can track down where I first saw it mentioned; its a bit tough with all these Romulan threads around.

    I saw it but he didn't say no TNG uniform. Someone asked about the TOS uniform being added which in my opinion looks like someones old rug and he simply made a remark about that being ugly but then the TNG has the big shoulder pads... he didn't say anything about not using the uniform. The TNG outfit is currently in most of the romulan content now in game. People just went hog wild crazy misconstruing what was said. It looks to me though like people will be playing as the New Romulans from New Romulus and not Sela's people so my guess is you would be dressing like New Romulus peeps. At least that's the outfits in the images so far.

    Here is the post for your edification:
    flyingtarg wrote: »
    Because the TOS uniforms did not look completely silly. :P

    Then again, TNG had those shoulderpads...

    and then a second post followed regarding an updated version of the TOS uniform:
    flyingtarg wrote: »
    I'll have to check that out, I'd like to see that. Thanks for the tip!
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    captsolcaptsol Member Posts: 921 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    acoldt wrote: »
    Here's a question for people that I should add. If you hate this game, hate the grind, and don't think it will get better, why do you still play and still hang out on the forums?

    I bought I lifetime sub back when the game first started. So, might as well ride it into the ground. :)
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    meurikmeurik Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    acoldt wrote: »
    Here's a question for people that I should add. If you hate this game, hate the grind, and don't think it will get better, why do you still play and still hang out on the forums?

    You want an honest answer, fine i'll give you one:

    I've spent 3+ years on Star Trek Online. I've "suffered" through the year of drought, and 3+ years of broken promises. Despite all of that, I occasionally enjoy the game. That being said, I still find problems with the game which I hope will one day be resolved.

    After 3+ years of Cryptics shenanigans, it's hard NOT to be cynical about any promises they make. Until I have the update installed on my computer, I will continue to be cynical about their latest promises. I'm not one who will go "Ooooh shiny" at the announcement of Legacy of Romulus, and forget the past 3 years of history.

    And no, I don't hate the game, Cryptic or any specific dev. I am very much happy with my life, and I have no intents on quitting the game. I also have no intents on silencing my own opinions of the game, when it suits me to voice my opinions.
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    weylandjuarezweylandjuarez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    acoldt wrote: »
    Here's a question for people that I should add. If you hate this game, hate the grind, and don't think it will get better, why do you still play and still hang out on the forums?

    How about:

    Like the game.

    Dislike the grind.

    Hope that Cryptic will listen to the community and reign in their more bone-headed decisions thanks to loud, angry feedback like they did when Season 7 when live?

    Why would I walk away from a game I enjoy (mostly) when it has the potential to improve? The Devs aren't particularly great realizing that potential though so they need feedback - and testing/bug-reporting/commenting doesn't do it for them - they need an angry mob before they'll even consider revising their plan.

    Without that angry mob, you'd be paying Dilithium into each of your Rep projects for the privilege of paying Dilithium to get your Rep gear.

    You'd also be earning zero rewards for STFs (assuming you play them) other than Omega Marks - so y'know - try and show a little gratitude to the complainers that actually made this game better.
    Please join our peaceful protest to help make STO a better game
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    radaikofromulusradaikofromulus Member Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I am very much in a 'wait and see' mode right now. On the one hand, an actual, honest-to-goodness romulan faction fills me with joy. On the other hand, all indicators point to the Romulan faction being a 'freedom fighter' faction that overthrows the Romulan Star Empire and establishes the Romulan Republic, which does not sit well with me at all, for me, 'Romulan' means "Romulan Star Empire' not 'Freedom Fighter' or 'Reunificationists' or whatever.

    That exactly!! I have no idea what the Romulan Republic is. Romulans are imperialists and expansionists by nature. They surely don't have a history of creating egalitarian or republican states. They've been warlike since the time of S'Task and the great flight from Vulcan.

    I find myself wondering if the people in charge of the IP for the past ten years have ever spent any time watching Star Trek TOS, TNG or even DS9.
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    daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I love Star Trek...

    I've been a Fan since the beginning, and will be one till My end.

    Star Trek Online is THE ONLY Officially sanctioned MMO game available at the moment with constant updates, that I can play...

    It's not perfect and probably never will be. (but what is?)

    Since there's nothing else out there, that I can play on a daily basis and get a really great Trek Fix...

    and the game works 99.9% of the time I play it...

    I'm happy with that.


    I've never had any expectations beyond the hope that Cryptic manages to keep this game running till the day I die...

    So for me, whatever They manage to add to the game, perfect or not, is a plus.

    I see no point in wringing my hands over something that ultimately, has no bearing on my existence other than to give a bit of pleasure whenever I get a chance to play it.



    I've never lost my faith in Cryptic, as They have never promised me anything that truly affects how I live my life or how I continue to be a Star Trek Fan.
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    radaikofromulusradaikofromulus Member Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    By and far I agree with you. I've spent so much money in STO my partner would pack my bags and kick me out after nine years together if he knew how much money I've funneled into STO. But I'm leery about this Romulan Republic and whether it is a standalone or will join a faction. The loss of the homeworld of an empire many planets and hundreds of light years across is bizarre. The effects don't match the causation here, but I digress.

    I wanted a Romulan toon at launch. They were my favorite race in the show my entire lifetime. I am extremely nervous about the idea of a mini faction branched to the Feds or God forbid, the Klingon empire.
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    jkstocbrjkstocbr Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    My faith has never changed to that of support of my favourite game. The Roms are just the icing on the cake. But what is "a true Trek experience" as you say? It's still a mish-mash of eras, ships and random junk. Too much pew-pew, not enough 'discovering new worlds' Trek.
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    ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited March 2013
    acoldt wrote: »
    For years we've all had our doubts that Cryptic could pull it together and make this game a true Trek experience. We've sat through content drouths that lasted nearly years. Klingons have had to suffer with half a faction since launch. We've seen difficulties with stability and bugs, some of which have been persistent.

    However, today, we see Cryptic's best hand yet, and the single largest change to Star Trek Online since its launch in February of 2010.

    The question here, to the community, is simple. With the announcement of the new Romulan faction and a far more expanded(possibly finished) Klingon faction, and the myriad of other new additions, has your faith in Cryptic as a company been restored? strengthened? or were you one of the hopefuls that never lost it.

    I have always had faith that Cryptic was a business, and like any business it would make decisions that would keep them profitable.

    I hope (and still do) they can balance that while keeping the game interesting. I have invested more of my time and money in this game than any other in my life.

    I am peeved that bad planning on their part makes for difficulties with fleets. For that reason i have not invested 1 penny in fiscal 2013. The new romulan faction and changes to the Klingons may change that.

    So far I am very impressed with what I see coming. I am more than willing to wait it out to play (and pay) more.

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    foxfire2000foxfire2000 Member Posts: 160 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    acoldt wrote: »
    Here's a question for people that I should add. If you hate this game, hate the grind, and don't think it will get better, why do you still play and still hang out on the forums?

    Some of us here payed a lot of money to be here in the 18 months it was P2P, should we just abandon that investment, or hang around in the slim hope that possibly, one day, the game might become more than the grind feast, lockbox lottery it turned into when it went free to play.

    So we log in once in a while and add our opinions to the occasional forum topic.

    There is your answer.
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    meurikmeurik Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Some of us here payed a lot of money to be here in the 18 months it was P2P, should we just abandon that investment, or hang around in the slim hope that possibly, one day, the game might become more than the grind feast, lockbox lottery it turned into when it went free to play.

    So we log in once in a while and add our opinions to the occasional forum topic.

    There is your answer.

    Quoted for truth. I played the game since the original launch, and subscribed -almost- every month up until F2P. I've spent more money over time, than the cost of a Lifetime purchase. I may not like all of Cryptics decisions, but I like the game enough to stick around.
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    aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    pyryck wrote: »
    Why can't Cryptic just continue to make their game their way and move their game progressively forward? ;)

    Considering that I have been mislead (things are great , we're not going F2P) , a power that I that I've payed for attempted to take away from me (Excelsior transwarp split) , my favorite missions literally taken away (the old STF's) , the reason I chose to go Lifetime (FE's) stop (and later to be told many a time that 'they are too expensive to make' -- after they made 3 in a row) , after the Year of Hell (for which many still subbed & kept Cryptic afloat), after the KDF & PVP treatment , after the shafting of the players with the Dill / Emblems conversion , after the attempted shafting of players at the beginning of S.7 ... .

    After all of the above (which is just a partial list) -- you still ask what's wrong ?

    /takes a breath , let's the good air in , and the bad air out/ :)

    Look , I'm happy 4 you , really I am .
    A bit sad too ... (you might have to re-create some of your favorite "Romulan" toons within the new Romulan faction) -- but I get it , you're happy .

    I'd be happy too if they'd re-instate the old STF's (along side the new ones) .
    That'd make me feel like I'm going on Real missions instead of quickies .
    Guess I'll have to take what I'm given , but considering who is giving stuff to me , I also expect very little (but that very little will look very pretty :o) .
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    millimidgetmillimidget Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    That exactly!! I have no idea what the Romulan Republic is. Romulans are imperialists and expansionists by nature. They surely don't have a history of creating egalitarian or republican states. They've been warlike since the time of S'Task and the great flight from Vulcan.

    I find myself wondering if the people in charge of the IP for the past ten years have ever spent any time watching Star Trek TOS, TNG or even DS9.
    I thought the whole premise is that the reunificationists took over in the wake of Nemesis/Hobus.

    A republic seems entirely in keeping with the reunification movement.

    It might be terrible story, but it seems to be a logical continuation of events started in TNG.
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