test content
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc

TRIBBLE Maintenance and Release Notes - March 13, 2013

zer0niusrexzer0niusrex Member Posts: 0 Arc User
We will be bringing the Tribble server down for maintenance to apply a new update.
ST.25.20130128a.52

EDIT: I asked for more information about the Andorian weapons change, and have updated the notes below.

General:
  • Andorian Phaser Weapons in the Dilithium store should now have the appropriate stats for Mk XI items.
    • This is a slight decrease from their current statistics.
    • This is retroactive for existing equipment.
  • Updated the Plasma Flamethrower:
    • Equipping the Plasma Flamethrower now gives you a full tank of fuel the first time you equip it after entering an area.
      • Swapping weapons and swapping back will not refill your fuel.
    • Drastically increased the Plasma Flamethrower's chance to inflict a Plasma DoT on the target.
      • To compensate, slightly lowered the DoT damage per tick.
    • The Plasma Flamethrower should now properly hit its targets at its maximum range.
    • Bridge officers will now behave more intelligently with the Plasma Flamethrower.

Gateway:
  • Players in a fleet should be able to get to their fleet's Holdings page from the Fleet front page.
    • The Holdings page should show the fleet's current tier progress.
      • Clicking on a tier should give information on that tier.
    • Clicking on a project will show the donation buckets and the progress of each bucket.
    • If a player has donation privileges they should be allowed to contribute just as they would in game.
      • By default, anyone over a recruit should have donation privileges, but this is controlled by Fleet leaders.
    • If a player is allowed to manage fleet holdings, they should be able to see what project is coming up next.
    • Each Holding should have a Provisions page and a Leaderboard page which function much as they do in-game.
  • There are some limitations to managing Fleet Holdings in Gateway.
    • Currently donating Duty Officers and certain other items is disabled.
    • New projects cannot be slotted from Gateway.
    • Successfully contributing to a project incorrectly brings you back to the tier page.
    • The donation slider displays incorrect values for certain items.
    • Players can select project slots that are marked "Not Available", however they just show blank boxes.
Post edited by zer0niusrex on
«1

Comments

  • jonathanlonehawkjonathanlonehawk Member Posts: 674 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    We will be bringing the Tribble server down for maintenance to apply a new update.
    ST.25.20130128a.52

    General:
    • Andorian Phaser Weapons in the Dilithium store should no longer have incorrect stats.

    So does this mean that the ones we have are not changed?

    Does this mean that the weapons on my ship will be altered?

    And what *are* the correct stats?
    Formerly Known as Protector from June 2008 to June 20, 2012
    STOSIG.png
    Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
  • phantomeightphantomeight Member Posts: 567 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2013
    I saw Farktoid's PM blast to Crytpic tribbles and have been checking this out since the other day. The fleet donation stuff is just off the hook. Cant wait to see it fully polished and rocking on Holodeck. I'll definitely be checking and donating from work.

    Thanks for killing my work productivity.
    join Date: Sep 2009 - I want my changeling lava lamp!
  • tsurutafan01tsurutafan01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Hmm if that works, no reason to think DOFF missions might not be down the road. That would be pretty cool as I log in a couple times a day just to set up DOFF missions anyway. Keep 'em ticking over, things add up.


    "We are smart." - Grebnedlog

    Member of Alliance Central Command/boq botlhra'ghom
  • deusemperordeusemperor Member Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    So does this mean that the ones we have are not changed?

    Does this mean that the weapons on my ship will be altered?

    And what *are* the correct stats?

    Apparently the weapons were mk 12 stats and not the mk 11 stats they were supposed to be. I thought it was just the perk of Andorian weapons having higher base damage due to their militaristic ways and aggression. But just an error.
    Originally Posted by zer0niusrex
    We will be bringing the Tribble server down for maintenance to apply a new update.
    ST.25.20130128a.52

    General:
    Andorian Phaser Weapons in the Dilithium store should no longer have incorrect stats.

    I hope this means they are leaving the weapons we already bought alone, and just changing it so any new weapons are the ones that are fixed. Though don't know for sure yet till someone checks on tribble.

    Edit: Just logged onto tribble and yeah they changed the values for all andorian weapons from dil store.
  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    So do we get to keep the Andorian weapons we have already bought, are we going to get a refund if our weapons are nerfed or are you going to make a lot of people VERY unhappy by completely ignoring us?

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=578921
  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    So do we get to keep the Andorian weapons we have already bought, are we going to get a refund if our weapons are nerfed or are you going to make a lot of people VERY unhappy by completely ignoring us?

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=578921

    If they had just changed the stats I would be fine with it since they were announced as MkXI from the start....

    But a dev said they want to put advanced andorian phaser weapons in the fleet store..... if I had known that, I would have never bothered with the much more expensive dill store versions. :(
  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    qjunior wrote: »
    If they had just changed the stats I would be fine with it since they were announced as MkXI from the start....

    But a dev said they want to put advanced andorian phaser weapons in the fleet store..... if I had known that, I would have never bothered with the much more expensive dill store versions. :(

    I don't take too much not of whether they're Mk XI or Mk XII. I buy them solely based on the stats that are presented when you're given the option to buy. I know I'm not the only one who does that.
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Have the "prototype" Ferengi vendor purchase the Andorian weapons in exchange for dil back to the player. Only fair since this was changed weeks after players have already spent tons of dil buying them.

    The error was on the Devs, not the player... Make it right Cryptic
  • timerastimeras Member Posts: 33 Media Corps
    edited March 2013
    Standard Customer Service Solution. Just ignore your customers or distract them long enough with some other "bugfixes". Cryptic is cool, giving the players the feeling of beeing close to them (interviews in podcasts etc.), but the marketing decisions are as bad as in any other game from SOE or EA.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Photonen im Wind a foundry mission by timeras13
    Photonen im Eis a foundry mission by timeras13
    Photonen im Schatten a foundry mission by timeras13
  • jonathanlonehawkjonathanlonehawk Member Posts: 674 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    So do we get to keep the Andorian weapons we have already bought, are we going to get a refund if our weapons are nerfed or are you going to make a lot of people VERY unhappy by completely ignoring us?

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=578921

    They changed the ones on my ship as well:

    DHC Comparison

    I am not happy.
    Have the "prototype" Ferengi vendor purchase the Andorian weapons in exchange for dil back to the player. Only fair since this was changed weeks after players have already spent tons of dil buying them.

    The error was on the Devs, not the player... Make it right Cryptic

    This is an equitable solution, not the best one for me, but I'll deal.
    Formerly Known as Protector from June 2008 to June 20, 2012
    STOSIG.png
    Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
  • tsurutafan01tsurutafan01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    timeras wrote: »
    Standard Customer Service Solution. Just ignore your customers or distract them long enough with some other "bugfixes". Cryptic is cool, giving the players the feeling of beeing close to them (interviews in podcasts etc.), but the marketing decisions are as bad as in any other game from SOE or EA.


    I wouldn't go this far quite yet. Unless Cryptic bought one of the best strategy games ever made, promptly shelved it, pretended it didn't exist but kept it alive for legal reasons related to their purchase of the game for over three years, didn't post a single fix or update during at least the last two years the game was running, then killed it all to bastardize its code for lesser games which they also treat like garbage.

    If they have... well then, I agree. But for a company to earn my wrath as much as SOE takes a special talent.

    Not bitter about Star Chamber: The Harbinger Saga one bit. No sir.

    Still thinking about doing something in the Foundry in tribute to it, though.


    "We are smart." - Grebnedlog

    Member of Alliance Central Command/boq botlhra'ghom
  • wolfpack12cwolfpack12c Member Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Wow make the ando weapons equil to all other dil store weapons so let's nerf the spiral wave disruptors also then because its a z store weapon
    -"There is no such thing as an I win button!" "Um, Sir. Whats this button that says (I win) for then?"
  • lanteanboylanteanboy Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited March 2013

    Gateway:

    [*]Clicking on a project will show the donation buckets and the progress of each bucket.
    [*]If a player has donation privileges they should be allowed to contribute just as they would in game.
    • By default, anyone over a recruit should have donation privileges, but this is controlled by Fleet leaders.
    • Currently donating Duty Officers and certain other items is disabled.

    hum.... I hope you're going to fix the bug where you can see other players Gateway pages by changing the URL as if not.... a new form of grieifing will appear
  • foundrelicfoundrelic Member Posts: 1,380 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    gypsyblade wrote: »
    Have the "prototype" Ferengi vendor purchase the Andorian weapons in exchange for dil back to the player. Only fair since this was changed weeks after players have already spent tons of dil buying them.

    The error was on the Devs, not the player... Make it right Cryptic

    THIS! Right here.


    I bought these weapons based on the stats. Now the stats are getting screwed? That's a great big ol' middle finger to the customer.
  • kapla1755kapla1755 Member Posts: 1,249
    edited March 2013
    I shall not be original because IMHO the best comments about this debacle have been said by the forum community already, starting with my personal favorite:
    aelfwin1 wrote: »
    I hate to use the old 'excuse me ?' , but Excuse Me ??? :confused:

    A 25-50$ item that needed a ton of fixes and now even it's accessories (that cost more money (or grind)) get fudged as well ??

    Who let Bobo The Clown run the show (?) and how on earth are we suppose to trust anything else that Cryptic might want to sell us ?

    Also , the proposed solution is not all that great because it hides the Mk12 versions behind the Giant Wall of Grind called a Starbase .
    How is that exactly supposed to encourage sales of the Smurf ship ?

    ^THIS +10
    Hi Archon.


    Actually the Spiral Waves would still be quite a cut above the Andorian Weapons if the Andorians were made MK XII.


    The Andorian weapons have:
    > 1 Proc (phaser)
    > 3 Mods (a typical weapon design).
    = Total of 4 Mods

    The Spiral Wave Disruptor Beam Arrays have:
    > 2 Procs (disruptor & phaser)
    > 4 Mods (ACCx2, DMGx2)
    = Total of 6 Mods



    So the Spiral Waves have 6 mods in comparison to 4 mods to justify their higher cost, you also get 4 of them complimentary with the actual Galor, and only need to buy 4 more if you're so inclined.


    The Andorian Ship comes with 0 Andorian Phasers, and they are for all intents and purposes "blue phasers".

    ^THIS
    erocker wrote: »
    Considering they are special "Andorian" phasers I don't find it hard to believe that folks who bought them were pretty confident about the legitimacy of the stats.
    The Dilithium store isn't intended to carry the best equipment in the game. These items were priced as Mark XI items - similar to the other gear already available in the Dilithium store. The incorrect stats were a bug, and I apologize if people bought them based on that bug.

    As a general rule, we try to keep our endgame equipment in endgame systems, such as the Fleet system and the various Reputation systems.

    We'd like to have higher-end Andorian weapons available as well, and we're currently discussing the best way to make those available to players.

    ^ I call BS since you can get mk xii purple weapons as drops in elite stfs, which all my just leveled noob toons can do without any fancy rep yet.
    zerobang wrote: »
    why?
    what are you holding the XII versions back for?
    is there an Andorian Reputation system planned? or a Fleet Holding that hands out Andorian stuff?

    i really see no reason to release these and then only hand out XI versions.

    ^ MONEY grab or to cover up any acknowledgement to quality control?
    usscapital wrote: »
    that's what the tribble test server is for (well it is supposed to be) , but far to often these bugs/mis-labeled things hit the holodeck

    ^MORE importantly what about the in-house test server, which they are testing season 8-ish on? -_-
    eisaakaz wrote: »
    As a developer myself... the real questions that beg to be answered here are:

    1. Why did you not have this conversation before you released these in the first place?
    2. Why were they released with a bug or error or miss information (place whatever word you need here)?

    As a development team with 3 years into a project, how are you letting these issues get on production servers? Have you just thrown testing out the window? Is one guy just doing whatever he wants and you all wake up and find new ships flying around the server?

    Eisaak

    ^THIS
    sean2448 wrote: »
    but why they cost so much for 11 once we hit RA upper half or MG we get 12 so why not bump up to 12 any way?

    ^THIS
    Spirals also cost 43k dil.

    The solution is obvious; leave the Andorian weapons with Mk XII stats, change their tooltip to show Mk XII, and increase their price accordingly. Nobody loses anything they've already purchased and the early adopters get to enjoy their discount.
    A win/win here is to increase the Dil cost of the ones currently in the store instead of nerfing (and it *is* a nerf) the ones people already bought. Since we have to have an Andorian Escort to already get the weapons, we have already paid a premium for them just to unlock them. No one should be upset by the price increase. Just call the earlier price an introductory sale.

    See, easy peasy.

    Here's another way of looking at this. Last I checked, the Andorian weapons that are soon to be nerfed are STILL in the dilithium store. This thread started 4 days ago. If Cryptic had any honour they would have removed the weapons from the store with a quick patch, preventing people who don't read the forums from suffering the same fate as those of us for whom it's already too late.

    Why are they still for sale if they're going to be nerfed? Because Cryptic can still make a few more bucks before nerfing it. They know that there are people who don't read the forums and they're banking on those for a little extra profit. They're prepared to obtain more financial gain (for those who convert zen to dil) using deceptive means. Theft.

    ^THIS +100
    It's funny you say that. I was thinking about buying some zen/keys as I wanted to try at getting a Galor. Then I thought, "No, why should I give them money when they've just cost me so much dilithium?" Instead I went to to pub with some friends and spent that money on beer. I had a lot of fun and the bartender didn't tell me that he needed to dilute the beer after I drank it.

    Sorry, Cryptic. (Well, I'm not sorry but it seemed the polite thing to say.)

    ^THIS
    It makes me sad that a game I love to play {24 toons last count but i still have open slots :) } has such poor in-house quality control and that the community can come up with a better solution than just swing the nerf Bat because we want you to grind/spend more cash later, truly sad.

    Good Hunting all

    original post
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=578921
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • sloansect31sloansect31 Member Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    You know that last bad decision you made with the Fleet Marks and all the TRIBBLE that went on because of that? That was something that we didn't "pay" for... many of us put real cash into STO to purchase the ships + the dil weapons - so this is now an issue with you changing something that we have actually purchased so expect a HELL of a lot more grief from everyone on this.

    Sorry but while you may "reserve the right to change stats" etc. - this sort of action is nothing short of highway robbery. You advertised something - we purchased it in good faith - and now you are going to severely nerf it because you apparently made a mistake. And its taken how long to address this after the weapons release??? .

    Cmon guys, these decisions and the way you are handling some of these issues is getting beyond a joke. How about you show a little bit of respect for your playerbase for a change instead of constantly treating us with contempt.
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    lanteanboy wrote: »
    hum.... I hope you're going to fix the bug where you can see other players Gateway pages by changing the URL as if not.... a new form of grieifing will appear

    This is working as intended. If you don't wish for your stats to be visible on gateway, set it so in your in game privacy settings.
    TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class.
    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
    Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.

    Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
  • ztrl1ztrl1 Member Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Wouldn't it just be easier to change the name of the andorian phasers to mk XII than to "fix" the stats? Because either way they're still weaker than the advanced fleet weapons...

    I am really not going to be happy about this "fix"... >:|
    Some people buy Tier 6 ships and expect to win. Other people buy Tier 6 ships and are Tier 6 pilots.
    ~Tear
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Indeed.. make them Mk XII purples...

    Add Advanced and Elite to fleet stores, just add procs.. only bump damage up slightly...

    Nobody loses and the devs can still add them
  • tuskin67tuskin67 Member Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Interesting changes.
  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    gypsyblade wrote: »
    Indeed.. make them Mk XII purples...

    Add Advanced and Elite to fleet stores, just add procs.. only bump damage up slightly...

    Nobody loses and the devs can still add them

    Those weapons were only supposed to be different visually... they cost the same as the other MkXI purple weapons from the dill store. :(
  • tuskin67tuskin67 Member Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    lanteanboy wrote: »
    hum.... I hope you're going to fix the bug where you can see other players Gateway pages by changing the URL as if not.... a new form of grieifing will appear

    Changing the URL doesn't allow you to effect their character. Its purely observation.

    Its not a bug, its a feature. They plan on adding a private feature.
  • usscapitalusscapital Member Posts: 985 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    They changed the ones on my ship as well:

    DHC Comparison

    I am not happy.



    This is an equitable solution, not the best one for me, but I'll deal.

    just shows the devs are not listening again with will make players who purchased said weapons feel ripped of just like I do , I am ready for dropping sto because they claim to listen but do not
    NERF NERF NERF ONLINE

    DELTA PRICE RISING
  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    usscapital wrote: »
    just shows the devs are not listening again with will make players who purchased said weapons feel ripped of just like I do , I am ready for dropping sto because they claim to listen but do not

    I'm seriously thinking about it too.
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    qjunior wrote: »
    Those weapons were only supposed to be different visually... they cost the same as the other MkXI purple weapons from the dill store. :(

    Are you saying players shouldn't go off base stats of purchased item alone?

    This change isn't player error, its Dev error.... its not far fetched to request compensation.

    (An example that's happened to me in the past)

    I purchased a Collector's Edition of a game, Gamestop didn't have my copy on the release date. I was compensated with 10% discount coupon, because it was not my fault. They said they'd have the copy when I pre-ordered. The fault fell on Gamestop, they attempted to appease me with a compensation. I got my copy a few days later...

    It would bolster Cryptics PR image greatly if they were proactive to things likes this. It's been tarnished over and over again over the years. Damage control would go a long way....
  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    gypsyblade wrote: »
    Are you saying players shouldn't go off base stats of purchased item alone?

    This change isn't player error, its Dev error.... its not far fetched to request compensation.

    (An example that's happened to me in the past)

    I purchased a Collector's Edition of a game, Gamestop didn't have my copy on the release date. I was compensated with 10% discount coupon, because it was not my fault. They said they'd have the copy when I pre-ordered. The fault fell on Gamestop, they attempted to appease me with a compensation. I got my copy a few days later...

    It would bolster Cryptics PR image greatly if they were proactive to things likes this. It's been tarnished over and over again over the years. Damage control would go a long way....

    All I was saying is that the only intent behind those weapons were different visuals. Cryptic made a mistake with the stats. Now they're handling it quite badly.

    If they put andorian phasers into the fleet store like a dev mentioned, I could have saved more than half the dillithium I spent for my weapons.
  • yris1yris1 Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    quoting myself from the other topic:

    yris1 wrote: »
    Why does this remind me of the tholian MK XII ground set (personal shield energy resistance to be precise) nerf that PvPers called for and got?

    Ah yes, cause I paid Lobi to get it.

    Cryptic, when people pay for an item they can only see what is written on it, it is YOUR job and your QA people to ensure that such things would NEVER happen, I mean releasing an item to the Live server with erroneus values/stats.

    You failed again and then you just nerf it all and say you re sorry?

    I want a Dil refund too, add a new functionality to the Ferengi Prototype Collector, Dilithium for andorian MK XI Phasers.

    Just refund like 90% of the dilithium amount paid so people will not find ways to exploit or switch the phasers endlessly, but PLEASE, do something for your customers who claimed these phasers based on your misleading
    .
  • sirokksirokk Member Posts: 990 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    The Andorian ships are glass cannons, why nerf the weapons? Make them Mk XII instead of Mk XI... after all people gave you real money for these things.

    ...And I don't even own any of the Andorian ships.
    Star Trek Battles Channel - Play Star Trek like they did in the series!Avatar: pinterest-com/pin/14003448816884219Are you sure it isn't time for a "colorful metaphor"? --Spock in 'The Voyage Home'
    SCE ADVISORY NOTICE: Improper Impulse Engine maintenance can result in REAR THRUSTER LEAKAGE. ALWAYS have your work inspected by another qualified officer.
  • lagunadlagunad Member Posts: 198 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    This retroactive change to an item that costs SIGNIFICANT resources (~2 weeks worth of grinding), and was purchased by most for the sole reason of the stats being superior, is unacceptable. Add to that the fact that the only people who bought them had already spent significant real money for the only ships they can be equipped on.

    Now you're saying I paid over 100K dilithium (the equvalent, in Zen, of over $10) for items that will become WORSE than the gear I bought them to replace?

    Are you nuts? Do you think this is an acceptable way to treat your customers?

    I accept that changes to stats may be necessary, but if so, there should be a vendor who will buy the items back and refund the full cost.

    This was entirely your mistake, and it absurd to simply convert expensive items like this into vendor trash without compensation.

    Period.
  • picard99picard99 Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Everyone in the fleet should be able to see what project is coming up next.
Sign In or Register to comment.