*points at avatar* speak for yourself. My second char is KDF.
If Cryptic implemented a 'wishlist' of things the KDF faction needs to be really considered on par with the Federation faction in terms of development, then the community would stop 'whining'. That is, as long as Cryptic continued to give us equal treatment and consideration.
The biggest gaps are in storyline content.
teh Fed storyline is mostly filler anyways...
Ship-wise, KDF still needs a little more variety. . .but it's 'tolerable'.
Um, what? The KDF already has a more diverse array of ships than the Feds do.
If Cryptic instituted a full 20-25 levels of storyline and related content for levels 1-25, that alone would stop a lot of 'whining'. KDF would FINALLY get equal access to beginner players.
I'd be cool if they just dropped it down to level 1...
But yeah.... starting at L1 is really the only thing KDF NEEDS right now IMO...
The day they introduce low level mission for KDF, KDF will be almost as finished as Fed is. Even better if those missions are not filler.
Half the low lvl missions for feds are basically : help a ship, then navigate an asteroid field. With absolutely no relations to the whole storyline. If cryptic gave those kind of missions to KDF, they'll whine for years on the forums.
I have a lvl50 KDF, and really enjoyed the KDF missions. Alpha is awesome, the Felkhri (sorry for spelling) storyline is great. Rewards are cool. On the other hand, on fed side, half the low lvl mission include roaming asteroid field, and space station. Also, extinguish fire. And with green armor as a reward.
Honestly, I think it's a boon KDF doesn't have those boring missions.
There is more to it than that. Klingons are stuck in ancient ways, it is if a bunch of Savages had been given Starships without realizing what all this technology means for the model of their society. They are more like a Fantasy race misplaced into Science Fiction. They are a look backwards into our own history - not uninteresting, but ultimately not very plausible.
Romulans, on the other hand, are scientific, progressive, and fully aware of the implications of technology for their society. In addition, the destruction of Romulus and Remus and the subsequent struggles, recoveries and even bold research (as seen in the Romulan mission story arcs) puts an interesting twist on their faction. They are a science fiction culture, and thus much more interesting.
i really wanted to write something very similar, even the words savages and fantasy were there, but i deleted it cause i didn't want to see the rage
IMO the only things needed to make the KDF faction complete is to have an actual tutorial and have the same number of missions the Federation had at launch. Patrol missions can be ignored since most of them seem as exciting as an exploration mission.
i really wanted to write something very similar, even the words savages and fantasy were there, but i deleted it cause i didn't want to see the rage
also, 12 of my 15 toons are KDF
thank you for saying it out loud
Hehe, yeah, I play an Orion Marauder. His job is to help ensure the... financial independance of the KDF, by any means available. Klingons? I tend to avoid them...
Romulans, on the other hand, are scientific, progressive, and fully aware of the implications of technology for their society. In addition, the destruction of Romulus and Remus and the subsequent struggles, recoveries and even bold research (as seen in the Romulan mission story arcs) puts an interesting twist on their faction. They are a science fiction culture, and thus much more interesting.
^^^ This... OMG this...
(of course I have to totally agree with duaths1.. Romulans ARE sexy... heh
i have been begging for a KDF faction since closed beta....
Well, it's completely awesome that you have what you wished for then! I mean, is it not just fabulous that you can log into game and play any one of the five standard races of the KDF? Fly in their ships? Do some of their missions and generally have a wonderful time with your friends, family.. or both?
Whereas.. I cannot play a Romulan/Remen.. or any of their faction races, or fly any of their ships because you know.. there ISN'T ONE....
I find it amazing that there are actually posts in here that allude to the KDF actually being "complete" and that any further development is...unnecessary.
I wonder if the Fed players would think the same if they could not actually play as federation until they had reached level 20-something in a faction that they had no interest in playing at all?
and that is just the tip of the iceberg my friend.
But hey...who am I to actually add a bit of truth to this thread? Just one of those whiney KDF players I guess....
If Cryptic does manage to do the "unthinkable" and brings out a playable independent Romulan faction, then I will most likely, and gratefully, drop a grand of my entertainment funds on supporting the new fledgling faction including joining and supporting a Romulan fleet.
I've already stopped all development of my Fed fleet star base and embassy in order to save up resources. I probably won't bother with it again until sometime in the summer if at all.
At this point in my STO career, I could care less about or for any further development of content for the KDF faction in STO. I do have 3 LGs with all of the KDF C-Store content unlocked and will probably keep them around as a reminder. The Klingon fans have had over three years to enjoy what little they do have of their favorite faction while fans of all of the other ST factions have had to sit around wondering, hoping and praying that someday they would be able to play their favorite faction in STO.
"Finish KDF first before giving anyone else a chance to play their favorite faction." In response to that attitude I simply offer a huge serving fork to stick in the carcass of the KDF as I consider them "done".
I find it amazing that there are actually posts in here that allude to the KDF actually being "complete" and that any further development is...unnecessary.
I wonder if the Fed players would think the same if they could not actually play as federation until they had reached level 20-something in a faction that they had no interest in playing at all?
and that is just the tip of the iceberg my friend.
But hey...who am I to actually add a bit of truth to this thread? Just one of those whiney KDF players I guess....
Things I think the KDF reasonably needs:
- Be selectable from level 1. This is kind of non-debatable and the team says "it's coming". People should be able to choose sides from the start. It's silly to ask a new player to commit to one side for 25 levels and then say "well nobody plays exclusively as the other guys". No kidding.
- More story missions to fill in that space. I actually am pretty vocal that the story missions in this game aren't very good at all, and by going more into STF-style things it actually suits what the game engine does well much more. But, people seem to want more blatant filler that adds nothing but B-level ebooks, so I'll play along if that's what the consensus is.
- More purchasable ships. Not necessarily as many as FED as that's, frankly, a silly goal. But "more" is fair.
- More costume options. This has been a pretty poor area but can be fixed.
So there's work to be done. But it all seems reasonably achievable. After that, the door is quite open to start on a third group.
If they jump the gun on starting a third faction... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that it isn't a positive sign.
"We are smart." - Grebnedlog
Member of Alliance Central Command/boq botlhra'ghom
I, too like the Romulans, and will likely play one if it comes out anytime soon...
How about this as a kick in the butt though...
In order to play Klingon, a player is forced to play Federation for 24 levels...I think that if a new Romulan faction comes out, that Romulan players should have to play 24 levels of Klingon -- in the new, "completed" Klingon faction -- before they can even start a Romulan character.
I, too like the Romulans, and will likely play one if it comes out anytime soon...
How about this as a kick in the butt though...
In order to play Klingon, a player is forced to play Federation for 24 levels...I think that if a new Romulan faction comes out, that Romulan players should have to play 24 levels of Klingon -- in the new, "completed" Klingon faction -- before they can even start a Romulan character.
Is that fair? Welcome to my world, friend.
Not a problem for me, nor many of the other Rommie fans (not all by any means tho).
The previously stated opinions of having them be level 40+ content wouldn't even both *me* as I have so many end level characters, both Fed and KDF... I'm wanting to experience Star Trek, from *my* favorite race... And I'm sure there are many more out there that feel the same ways
Yes, yes they are coming. Anyone who says otherwise either doesn't want them, or is too much of a conspiracy theorist in that they believe it's some great Cryptic hoax. Ignore these people.
This doesn't make much sense, since technically all we have to go one is a webpage with a logo and a slogan, nothing else.
I would say we need tapered expectations, especially when considering Cryptic's past with this game. All you are doing is setting yourself up for a major letdown.
If a Romulan faction comes, great. If it doesn't you all will be quick to blame Cryptic for getting your hopes up (and even I, as a very outspoken critic of Cryptic, would probably side with them).
Of course, we can only hope Cryptic decides to stop acting like the National Security Agency and just comes out and tells us yay or nay.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
I have a feeling the play to level 24 on the Fed side to play Klingon will end by May, but you may have play a special mission that updates the plot line to unlock the Romulan Faction, maybe something to do with Sela and the Iconians.
This doesn't make much sense, since technically all we have to go one is a webpage with a logo and a slogan, nothing else.
I would say we need tapered expectations, especially when considering Cryptic's past with this game. All you are doing is setting yourself up for a major letdown.
If a Romulan faction comes, great. If it doesn't you all will be quick to blame Cryptic for getting your hopes up (and even I, as a very outspoken critic of Cryptic, would probably side with them).
Of course, we can only hope Cryptic decides to stop acting like the National Security Agency and just comes out and tells us yay or nay.
They won't do that until the may update is ready to release. Why? Because people nerdrage too much. If they tell us ANYTHING, it gets treated as an ironclad promise.... which is stupid(of us, the players). But stupid or not it happens. Thus they don't give us any data at all unless it's been triple checked and confirmed.
So there's work to be done. But it all seems reasonably achievable.
It does seem reasonable and achievable. Problem is, for three years, it's been put on the backburner. And there it most likely shall stay. Other dev teams could do the reasonable stuff. This one, I don't know. They didn't have cups in their kitchen or something.
After that, the door is quite open to start on a third group.
Absolutely. It's just, they haven't made much progress to get to the "after that" part.
They won't do that until the may update is ready to release. Why? Because people nerdrage too much. If they tell us ANYTHING, it gets treated as an ironclad promise....
What you're leaving out is that it makes sense for players to treat what Cryptic shows us as an ironclad promise. That's what advertising is. Companies quickly get into legal trouble if they sell products which are quite obviously different out of the box from what is advertised. So Cryptic has the right idea of revealing nothing and making no promises. As soon as they reveal something they're working on, it is their obligation to follow through and deliver it.
What you're leaving out is that it makes sense for players to treat what Cryptic shows us as an ironclad promise. That's what advertising is. Companies quickly get into legal trouble if they sell products which are quite obviously different out of the box from what is advertised. So Cryptic has the right idea of revealing nothing and making no promises. As soon as they reveal something they're working on, it is their obligation to follow through and deliver it.
Only if the statements are in fact promises. If they say something like "we hope to do that in season 5", there is no rational reason to treat it as a promise. It's also not legally binding.... BUT, players act like it is anyways, which is why Cryptic has decided to tell us less.
My fleet, playing every day, seing sectors..., remember, more or less, and do u remember "They are annimals..."?. Klingons are the enemy, the losers, Feds are the heroes, u know. Do u think there will be more klingons playing STO if new players can play level 1-50? Really?. Romulans are more populars as Fed enemys as well. Klingon faith and passion should not blind us. So romulans are coming and a lot of players will be happy about it.
What doesn't TRIBBLE off KDF players? I'd swear that if the devs implemented the KDF wishlist, KDF players would still find reason to cry. They're worse than Ferengi, and probably should all be permabanned for being such spineless warriors.
Yeah really, what doesn't and they wont be happy but at this stage i like where the KDF are at personally. I would certainly like to see them at least fill out the lower ranks, but they could have done that with the foundry and yet again Cryptic has failed in exploiting the foundry community.
Last I heard, 80% of players had never rolled a Klingon. Granted, we don't know what percentage of players have ever made it to level 20. But I'm pretty sure it's widely known that most players who hit level 50 tend not to quit and come back periodically whereas most players who quit and never come back don't even hit level 30. Which is why leveling is so fast now.
High end leveling (30 to 50) may have always been too fast but hitting 20 used to be a chore. Most people I know who quit, quit before level 20 and said they just didn't have the time for this game.
Last I heard, 80% of players had never rolled a Klingon.
Well that's progress. It started at 12%. Was then mentioned at 16%. Now it's 20%. This is good. Cryptic's cryptic statistical analysis is at least trending upward.
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But yeah.... starting at L1 is really the only thing KDF NEEDS right now IMO...
My character Tsin'xing
Half the low lvl missions for feds are basically : help a ship, then navigate an asteroid field. With absolutely no relations to the whole storyline. If cryptic gave those kind of missions to KDF, they'll whine for years on the forums.
I have a lvl50 KDF, and really enjoyed the KDF missions. Alpha is awesome, the Felkhri (sorry for spelling) storyline is great. Rewards are cool. On the other hand, on fed side, half the low lvl mission include roaming asteroid field, and space station. Also, extinguish fire. And with green armor as a reward.
Honestly, I think it's a boon KDF doesn't have those boring missions.
That and more customization options.
>.>
<.<
I'm ready to match under raptor's wings.
Any day now...
i really wanted to write something very similar, even the words savages and fantasy were there, but i deleted it cause i didn't want to see the rage
also, 12 of my 15 toons are KDF
thank you for saying it out loud
My character Tsin'xing
^^^ This... OMG this...
(of course I have to totally agree with duaths1.. Romulans ARE sexy... heh
Well, it's completely awesome that you have what you wished for then! I mean, is it not just fabulous that you can log into game and play any one of the five standard races of the KDF? Fly in their ships? Do some of their missions and generally have a wonderful time with your friends, family.. or both?
Whereas.. I cannot play a Romulan/Remen.. or any of their faction races, or fly any of their ships because you know.. there ISN'T ONE....
I wonder if the Fed players would think the same if they could not actually play as federation until they had reached level 20-something in a faction that they had no interest in playing at all?
and that is just the tip of the iceberg my friend.
But hey...who am I to actually add a bit of truth to this thread? Just one of those whiney KDF players I guess....
I've already stopped all development of my Fed fleet star base and embassy in order to save up resources. I probably won't bother with it again until sometime in the summer if at all.
At this point in my STO career, I could care less about or for any further development of content for the KDF faction in STO. I do have 3 LGs with all of the KDF C-Store content unlocked and will probably keep them around as a reminder. The Klingon fans have had over three years to enjoy what little they do have of their favorite faction while fans of all of the other ST factions have had to sit around wondering, hoping and praying that someday they would be able to play their favorite faction in STO.
"Finish KDF first before giving anyone else a chance to play their favorite faction." In response to that attitude I simply offer a huge serving fork to stick in the carcass of the KDF as I consider them "done".
Things I think the KDF reasonably needs:
- Be selectable from level 1. This is kind of non-debatable and the team says "it's coming". People should be able to choose sides from the start. It's silly to ask a new player to commit to one side for 25 levels and then say "well nobody plays exclusively as the other guys". No kidding.
- More story missions to fill in that space. I actually am pretty vocal that the story missions in this game aren't very good at all, and by going more into STF-style things it actually suits what the game engine does well much more. But, people seem to want more blatant filler that adds nothing but B-level ebooks, so I'll play along if that's what the consensus is.
- More purchasable ships. Not necessarily as many as FED as that's, frankly, a silly goal. But "more" is fair.
- More costume options. This has been a pretty poor area but can be fixed.
So there's work to be done. But it all seems reasonably achievable. After that, the door is quite open to start on a third group.
If they jump the gun on starting a third faction... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that it isn't a positive sign.
"We are smart." - Grebnedlog
Member of Alliance Central Command/boq botlhra'ghom
How about this as a kick in the butt though...
In order to play Klingon, a player is forced to play Federation for 24 levels...I think that if a new Romulan faction comes out, that Romulan players should have to play 24 levels of Klingon -- in the new, "completed" Klingon faction -- before they can even start a Romulan character.
Is that fair? Welcome to my world, friend.
Fed Exclusively Players (don't like klingongs at all, you know),50%.
Klingon Exclusively Players 20%.
Mixed, 30 %. (Playing both sides and don't like to play level 1-50, too much levelig, you know).
Remember, more or less, and we can fight against that, klingon side is not populars as fed side.
Not a problem for me, nor many of the other Rommie fans (not all by any means tho).
The previously stated opinions of having them be level 40+ content wouldn't even both *me* as I have so many end level characters, both Fed and KDF... I'm wanting to experience Star Trek, from *my* favorite race... And I'm sure there are many more out there that feel the same ways
This doesn't make much sense, since technically all we have to go one is a webpage with a logo and a slogan, nothing else.
I would say we need tapered expectations, especially when considering Cryptic's past with this game. All you are doing is setting yourself up for a major letdown.
If a Romulan faction comes, great. If it doesn't you all will be quick to blame Cryptic for getting your hopes up (and even I, as a very outspoken critic of Cryptic, would probably side with them).
Of course, we can only hope Cryptic decides to stop acting like the National Security Agency and just comes out and tells us yay or nay.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
My character Tsin'xing
It does seem reasonable and achievable. Problem is, for three years, it's been put on the backburner. And there it most likely shall stay. Other dev teams could do the reasonable stuff. This one, I don't know. They didn't have cups in their kitchen or something.
Absolutely. It's just, they haven't made much progress to get to the "after that" part.
What you're leaving out is that it makes sense for players to treat what Cryptic shows us as an ironclad promise. That's what advertising is. Companies quickly get into legal trouble if they sell products which are quite obviously different out of the box from what is advertised. So Cryptic has the right idea of revealing nothing and making no promises. As soon as they reveal something they're working on, it is their obligation to follow through and deliver it.
Where in the TRIBBLE did you get those numbers?
My character Tsin'xing
My fleet, playing every day, seing sectors..., remember, more or less, and do u remember "They are annimals..."?. Klingons are the enemy, the losers, Feds are the heroes, u know. Do u think there will be more klingons playing STO if new players can play level 1-50? Really?. Romulans are more populars as Fed enemys as well. Klingon faith and passion should not blind us. So romulans are coming and a lot of players will be happy about it.
Yeah really, what doesn't and they wont be happy but at this stage i like where the KDF are at personally. I would certainly like to see them at least fill out the lower ranks, but they could have done that with the foundry and yet again Cryptic has failed in exploiting the foundry community.
Oh, iam sure and if Cryptic is correct in their numbers in growth, then this will bring in more new players and old players as well.
ROLF Thank you, you just made my day with this funny
Last I heard, 80% of players had never rolled a Klingon. Granted, we don't know what percentage of players have ever made it to level 20. But I'm pretty sure it's widely known that most players who hit level 50 tend not to quit and come back periodically whereas most players who quit and never come back don't even hit level 30. Which is why leveling is so fast now.
High end leveling (30 to 50) may have always been too fast but hitting 20 used to be a chore. Most people I know who quit, quit before level 20 and said they just didn't have the time for this game.
Well that's progress. It started at 12%. Was then mentioned at 16%. Now it's 20%. This is good. Cryptic's cryptic statistical analysis is at least trending upward.
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