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ELT STF's are to Easy
wolfpack12c
Member Posts: 242 Arc User
My teams Record times so far from start to finish
cure 5:12 w/opt. 0 deaths
Infected 6:34 w/opt. 0 deaths
Kit 6:12 w/opt. 0 deaths
Onslaught 8:54 w/3 opts. 1 death
I'm working on doing the grounds next
Now my issue is this is end game content why is it so easy... I want a challenge, the only challenge I get anymore is in pvp and even then a good match is few and far between. I'm making a plead to the devs to make STF's real end game content like they used to be combine both ground and space STF's so you have to do both in conjunction or at the same time. And make the Borg like real Borg. A threat! Right now all STF's are just a grab at points and not a challenge.
cure 5:12 w/opt. 0 deaths
Infected 6:34 w/opt. 0 deaths
Kit 6:12 w/opt. 0 deaths
Onslaught 8:54 w/3 opts. 1 death
I'm working on doing the grounds next
Now my issue is this is end game content why is it so easy... I want a challenge, the only challenge I get anymore is in pvp and even then a good match is few and far between. I'm making a plead to the devs to make STF's real end game content like they used to be combine both ground and space STF's so you have to do both in conjunction or at the same time. And make the Borg like real Borg. A threat! Right now all STF's are just a grab at points and not a challenge.
-"There is no such thing as an I win button!" "Um, Sir. Whats this button that says (I win) for then?"
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There is a guide to get you started on the right path. ^_^
I know it may be hard for you to believe, but 85% of the players of sto have problems with elite stfs still. Since increasing the skill required for estfs would make it impossible some players it wouldn't be wise to alienate most of their player base. FYI Estfs were incredibly easy in season 5 and have received buffs to make them harder.
A few examples of the buffs: in season 5 vampire power builds could turn off a tac cube's shield and weapons with only one ship. They then gave the borg power insulators so now it takes 3+ vampire builds to turn off a Tac Cube's shields. In season 5 Borg were no longer allowed to crit. This helped reduce of you getting hit with random one shots. They gave the borg the ability to hit you critically again this season. In season 5 I could solo ISE and get optional! Haven't been able to get optional yet this season, but I haven't tried as hard since I've been playing no win scenario.
So they've buffed the Borg, and you're still think its too easy well good sir/ma'am you're a top player in pve.
2. No escort usage or dhc usage
3. No tricbombs
4. Play in a sci ship (not the vesta)
5. Use only standard RA ships
6. Pug Cure space elite or Kase
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maybe bring back the pre-ses5 stfs? yah know the 2-3 hr ones that actualy had story to them?
Set your own challenges. Use weaker ship. Use weaker equipment. Play with random people. Whatever it takes try something different.
Another week, another "ESTF's are too easy!!" thread.
:rolleyes:
Here are a few ways you can extend your gameplay experience:
Option 1 - Use lower mark gear,
Option 2 - Use a lower tier ship,
Option 3 - Start playing PvP OR,
Option 4 - Beg PWE to create a FETISH ABUSE level difficulty.
I do speak for the majority when I say the devs already "fixed" unbroken STF gameplay with Season 7...LEAVE IT ALONE.
Maybe they should fix the overpowered jem'hadar ship.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
You should have waited until you did the grounds before you started the thread.
[EDIT] PvP is real end game content imo.
Infected (ground)
2 deaths
W/opt
9:12
Your problem is simple, and can be seen from that very first sentence fragment: you're a top player with top level gear running in a whole team of the same. As such, your experience is very different from that of the average player, who PUGs most of their STFs and is in the slow process of getting something better than episode gear. Plus, you're probably running escorts, which have a huge advantage over many of the other classes which are also supposed to be capable of running the same content. So yeah, if you want a challenge, start by downgrading all your gear, getting a non-Fleet Recon Sci, and dropping all your bought consoles. That, with an inexperienced player, should be able to run all the content you've been running, because this game just doesn't differentiate between endgame "here's where you get all the best stuff" content and endgame "this is stupidly ridiculously hard and you need all the best stuff to have a chance" content. If it's not hard enough with that, start going down a tier at a time, T4 is certainly possible for ESTFs, I actually wouldn't be at all afraid to try my T4 Intrepid in one, but T3 might bring in some real challenge, and T2 definitely would. And of course, you can try PUGing too, which will increase the difficulty several fold.
Tonight (true story) my friend and I two-manned CSE. Galaxy-X and Fl. Tac. Esc. Retrofit. It took a while but we did it. Now in PUGs I've done with my very same fleet Defiant, doing CSE will be incredibly difficult and often fails. But I find that very entertaining, they are quite satisfying to play just to try and save the mission and/or see what people do.
Word of advice:
Put your member away, most of us don't care.
You beat the space STFs in low times with top level gear and ships. You want a medal? You are currently doing nothing more than bragging, which doesn't say much. You are saying STFs are too easy, without providing any reasons/incentives/suggestions on improvements.
So as everyone else here is saying:
Get into a freebie ship. Use all mk X white gear. THEN do all the ESTFs (space and ground), and then come back. If you can do that, congrats. Most of us still won't care. However if you fail miserably, please come back and say so so we can troll you.
Thank you and good night.
Get a T1 Miranda. Load it with only Mk I or Standard Issue common quality gear. Now solo ISE and get the optional. We know it's possible to solo ISE with the optional, and we know it's possible to win ESTFs with T1 ships, so combine them.
Pull that off, and maybe we can talk about STFs being too easy, although frankly the damage variance still kills that idea. Sphere torps are currently dealing anything from 50k damage through full MACO shields with EPtS down to 5k damage on bare hull. Apart from the fact that the former just isn't survivable for everyone (my Vesta only gets around 40k hull strength fully specced into it), the variance is preposterous, and makes planning impossible and luck the major element in survival. Unless of course you have a highly skilled dedicated tank cruiser or Steamrunner, but again, PUGs.
So here is my suggestion.
Why can't the devs return the pre STF's as it was before with storyline? That to me looks interesting and can be used by Fleets only as a raid or big Fleet mission which we all kinda miss in this game(Doing something big and challenging with Fleet members).
Or better yet bring back Crystalline Catastrophe? I would really love to do something like that with Fleet members only. What happend to that event actually?
Rule 200 of the internet, pics or it didn't happen.
Perhaps if the AI was capable of simulating thought if only in the form of basic if and statements and using rather more skills with more reasonable stats it would be more challenging.
Without MACO Gear or any other similar
And use PUGS and if you die let damage accumulate that should give you a challenge
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Next issue is everyone is saying what to do to make a challenge which makes me believe that you all are saying its to easy as well.
Since no fleet will get T5 Starbase anytime soon, it's to me a nice idea to have a space mission and ground mission open for the Fleet that only fleet members can join, that should be made a bit challenging even with high gear.
(I am not saying Cryptic should do this, these are just suggestions, I hope some of the Devs are reading this and making some notes for the future, I really love this game it's my fav mmo atm. I gave up on GW2 after 2 / 3 months cuz after 8 years of WoW I am kinda fed up with fairy tale games so whent back to STO and S 6 and 7 changes just got me hooked!)
Anyway I have no idea what's in store for us in Season 8 so we might get a lot of new ground and space missions along with challenging raid missions for Fleets?
/sarcOFF
What STFs need is a Super Elite mode. It will be uberly hard, designed for 5 players all with the best gear and requires cookie cutter set ups to beat. Then we can watch as no one uses it for a challenge because it's "too hard" to use to farm stuff because elite mode is far more rewarding. But for what it's worth, the game can stand such a new challenge setting now that the rep system is in place, so we wouldn't have people joining simply because they want to go straight for the best gear. They can try a public que for higher rewards, but uh, yeah. Good luck winning in PUGs. Just like No Win.
Way too easy.
We are the wolfpack...
This. A thousand times this. PuGs on elite will make you facepalm. Repeatedly. Until you have a red mark and flat spot on your forehead.
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