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proteus22
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i clicked to join infected the conduit and it put me in infected the manus i immediately left it removed all stfs from my menu saying i was blocked from stfs for 1 hour the i tryied clicking on fleet mark mission no win scenario and the chat window said i was banned from joining any queques WHY ?
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This would be the first case I'd ever heard of being placed into the wrong STF by the software's fault -- it has always been a mistake by the user in cases I've seen or heard about.
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was the topic you were trying to reply to in the process of being merged with another thread? If a mod merges a thread while your reply window is open, your message will appear under the new thread.
yes the ban from all PvE Q's is new for season 7
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THANK YOU! I have lost dozens of times because jackasses left in the middle. They are designed for five...FIVE people. No more, no less. When one or two *******s decide to bail, you are screwed. I am glad they put a penalty in. I just wish it were more severe. STFs are hard as it is. DO NOT JOIN ONE AND LEAVE. Especially not the Infected one. That is the easiest. Leave and you create an endless cycle of regenerating transformers that can't be taken down.
Nope, the PvE Queues have been acting up since they changed the menu layout, not sure in the last couple weeks as me and my buddies have not been on PvE's recently, but we were clicking one thing and getting another thing to pop up.
It was quite annoying.
Jim
Or y'know, actually play the ground one you accidentally joined. You may like it! And even if not, you actually get more Omega Marks finishing a ground mission without the optional than you do in a space STF *with* the optional.
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Being forced to play ground stf's to get gear lead me to quit last time. I find them utterly terrible.
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Most likely, you clicked on the wrong mission. I have done that a few times without realizing it.
Then, you quit that mission, which may force the people who queued for it to finish it without you, which is really bad etiquette. That is why the penalty timer was created, to prevent people from doing what you did (quitting the mission after it has begun) without consequence.
If you look at your queue, the first PvE mission is Azure Nebul Rescue, now sort the queue by Reward, the first one will be Gorn Minefield Fleet Action (or Kithomer Vortex). Cick the first one, and it will queue you in Azure, not Gorn Minefield or Kitomer Vortex. Therefore he may have clicked the proper STF and ended up in an other one, BUT he should have paid attention to th pop up window before clicking Engage, he would have seen right away it was the wrong STF and save himself from having to wait an hour before queueing again.
Better luck next time.
The PVE queue IS buggy. After season 7 launched I would do some PVE queues for Romulan marks. I would select at the top "Rewards" to only show me missions that reward Romulan Marks and select Mine Trap. Next thing I know I'm in Azura Nebula Rescue. This happened to me a couple times before I made it a habit to actually read the window that pops up to enter and have had to click cancel to remove myself from the queue instead of entering. I no longer select the window to have it show a particular reward since it always tries to put me in Azura Nebula Rescue and just scroll down to the mission I want. (I never left those times I ended up in the wrong mission. Just stayed and completed them. I was going for Rommy marks anyway.)
So in my experience, when sorting the list to show only missions with a particular reward, it can sometimes queue you for the wrong mission.
Edited for typos. Not awake yet lol
OMG! This happened to me all the time when they first made this change. I just thought I was being clumsy. The good news is I could quit the match without penalty and re-queue for the minefield.
Why should he be punished when he leaves at the beginning of the mission and someone else in the queue replaces him?
Unfortunately this has always been the case and good luck changing something that has been around since the beginning.
Devs should make the leaver penalty a 24hrs Ban - It will make leavers think twice before leaving an STF.
A one hour punishment is dumb, since a player can simply go on to other things for that amount of time. So yeah, a 24hr ban would suffice.
Needs to be acount wide too. It's to easy to just switch toons and get in another one.
This is only a good solution for chronic leavers.
I've left in the middle of an STF. I don't like doing it, but sometimes you're playing, and then something comes up (girlfriend/wife comes home early with groceries that need unloading from the car, or you get an emergency phone call that you have to take, or whatever). Life happens.
I think it needs to be cumulative, with a decay every 24 hours. That may not be a perfect solution, but neither is punishing people too much just because real life happens.
I mainly stating that option for rage quitters, which I had previously encounter alot of. I am also advising that the leaver penalty should be given to the first two players that leave the STF.
I know real life happens, I live in it as well - but the option I am presenting is a sensible one - and yes, I too agree it should be an account wide ban.
It may not work for you in particular, unless you are inconvenient every 1/2hr or so, but it is a better compromise. This also should apply for AFKER's - They should be booted out and account banned for 24hrs if not active after a min or so.
The game doesn't really know the difference between a rage quitter and a person whose wife ran in yelling that the electric stove is smoking from underneath.
That's why I said it should be cumulative, with a decay. It's an hour ban at first, and then after 5 or so leaves within a week, start ramping up. Maybe a decay every 24 hours doesn't punish enough for chronic leavers, but I'm just spitballin' here.
This will at least deal with people who have a chronic problem staying in a game, without punishing people too much for just leaving a game because they have no choice.
As far as bans, I think cumulative is good. **** happens sometimes, and for many of us, a game comes fairly low on the list of priorities behind stuff like wife/girlfriend aggro and the kitchen's on fire. It would be nice to have something that separates someone who leaves with good reason from the chronic leavers, and chronic leavers are likely to create a pattern, and that's something that can be filtered out.
I see what you mean, I can work with that - the overall consensus is that it is currently too lenient to be of any use.
cumulative sounds like a decent compromise - only now if the Devs can listen to our suggestions.
Not true there is another way but, I cannot disclose it because as you know exploits are not to be mentioned on the threads.
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actually it is for the first 2 to leave after that a mission needs the 3 to complete 3 can complete but alot harder the game classes it as failed when only 3 left and dont get any time pen...
that doesnt mean you should stand still and wait for 2 to leave thats just not how things are meant to be you play the team missions which rely on teams if someone didnt do anything waiting for 2 guys to leave every mission you wanted to do how'd you feel? if wrong queue then just try it worst you can do is get everyone killed :-D
I used to run STF's a lot in Season 6, but use private queues and channels and I think maybe twice in over 500 runs did I ever encounter trolls or griefers who would bail.
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That doesn't stop people from joining an STF and doing nothing whilst everyone else continues the mission. They can easily sit there ready to click 'need' every time it comes up.
It actually hurts the remaining people more than it does the person who quit out.
What happens if two players (out of five) quit cause they don't care? The remaining three players face an impossible task. Do they continue with the STF aimlessly, or do they quit out and face the ban themselves?
Whilst I can appreciate the need for this penalty, I don't think it's fully thought out yet. I've been in two STF's recently where I had no option to quit out. Both times I was left with the one-hour penalty. The first was Hive Onslaught; two players quit out after failing the optional objective ~ myself and the other two players weren't going to finish that, so what are we suppose to do? The second was another STF yesterday (Infected: The Conduit). On this occasion, everyone quit out and I was left there, alone to destroy res-pawing Nanite Spheres along with normal Spheres. It was an impossible task, thus I had to quit out and I was presented with a ban.
They need to address this issue still. Maybe change it so that they remove the one-hour ban, but if any given player quits out of more than... say 5 STF's in a day, they're banned for a whole week. Nobody in their right mind would need to quit 5 STF's in 24 hours.
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I suppose another option would be a 'quit vote'. If an STF starts with five players and two quit, the remaining three can opt to quit together thus ending the mission, without the penalty. This would be the fairest of options. Just needs to be implemented somehow.
Sheesh.
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Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?