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  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    A third playable faction should be
    A) Dominion,
    -use Vorta, Jem'Hadar, Founders, some member species and I am sure that there might be some Breen and Cardassians left in the Gamma Quadrant as a direct result of the Dominion War which can be played
    -create a few new Gamma Quadrant sector blocks which can be reached via DS9 just like you can reach Gamma Orionis via the Transwarp Conduit.
    -mainly Jem'Hadar ships, but also Cardassian and Breen ships

    B) Romulan Alliance:
    -Take Romulans, Remans, Hirogen (they are in anyway), perhaps a few Vulcans (unification movement) and some Romulan Member species.
    -Just site them on Rator III or New Romulus and create a story arc that starts after the disappearance of Sela.
    -Ships: Mainly Romulan ships with Reman customization options, use some Hirogen ships and some random new designs to finish it.
  • captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I'd rather have the KDF with their own 50+ Unique missions first.

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  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    rahmkota19 wrote: »
    A third playable faction should be
    A) Dominion,
    -use Vorta, Jem'Hadar, Founders, some member species and I am sure that there might be some Breen and Cardassians left in the Gamma Quadrant as a direct result of the Dominion War which can be played
    -create a few new Gamma Quadrant sector blocks which can be reached via DS9 just like you can reach Gamma Orionis via the Transwarp Conduit.
    -mainly Jem'Hadar ships, but also Cardassian and Breen ships

    B) Romulan Alliance:
    -Take Romulans, Remans, Hirogen (they are in anyway), perhaps a few Vulcans (unification movement) and some Romulan Member species.
    -Just site them on Rator III or New Romulus and create a story arc that starts after the disappearance of Sela.
    -Ships: Mainly Romulan ships with Reman customization options, use some Hirogen ships and some random new designs to finish it.

    i'm for B, but whatever, if Cryptic decides Cardassians SHOULD be in too, OK with me, il'll treat them as a 2nd order citizens in my RP :D (and ill sure create one, too, just for the fun)

    SOOOO looking forward to the romulan foundry!

    And, i would have a reason to give cryptic some money.. again, after a long time :D
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    rahmkota19 wrote: »
    A) Dominion
    Did you even read my previous post? :rolleyes:
    I'd rather have the KDF with their own 50+ Unique missions first.
    Yes, so would I. However, as seen by the subject title, this is about a 3rd faction. Not the 2nd one. I've already stated (in my first post) that I'd like to see the Klingons completed first.
    duaths1 wrote: »
    And, i would have a reason to give cryptic some money.. again, after a long time.
    If they went ahead with my presented idea (or a similar one) then I too would throw money into this game. I've not done so in a while, but would eagerly do so at the chance to fly around as a Cardassian in a Keldon with Cardassian/Jem Hadar and Romulan crew. :cool:
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    The only problem with a True Way/Tal Shiar combo is, the Tal Shiar's goal is to help the Iconians reconquer the quadrant. I get the feeling the True Way wouldn't agree with that. But I'm sure there are rival groups within each faction that could defect to the other side - Cardassians and Jem'Hadar who want to help the Iconians, Tal Shiar who want to return the Star Empire to power, etc.

    My two cents on the Hobus supernova thing...as stated earlier, it wasn't a natural phenomenon. It was caused by the Remans working for Commander Arranhu, who in turn was working for Taris, who in turn was working for the Iconians. They did it with the intention of making it a hypernova that would destroy Romulus and destabilize the Star Empire. Presumably they had a plan to stop the nova before it went too far, and Spock made it unnecessary. The Vulcans didn't want to give the Romulans the red matter because it could also be used as a weapon. Presumably they too underestimated the potential threat, or maybe one of them was an Iconian agent. :eek:

    If there were a Tal Shiar/True Way faction (which would be awesome, once the KDF gets fleshed out) I'd say it should have the following races:
    • Romulan
    • Reman (some of them were helping Taris, after all)
    • Cardassian
    • Jem'Hadar
    • Alien

    And that's it.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I'd like to play a Faction based on Mol'Rihan. But.... my most ambitious idea for a Romulan faction is to have the player work for (accept missions from) whichever parts of the Romulan Heirarchy they choose. Taris, Sela, Obisek.... It'd be up to the player whether they want to help or oppose the Iconians and Tal'Shiar.
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  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Rator III

    is here from the launch. It is mentioned in the Romulan FE, many times as a HUGE nice city/planet/settlement.. i just wanna see it then!

    Sela rules!
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    The only problem with a True Way/Tal Shiar combo is, the Tal Shiar's goal is to help the Iconians reconquer the quadrant.
    I guess it depends on how you look at that. I would imagine that only a very few number of Tal Shiar operatives would be aware of the Iconian plot. All others are most likely just following orders. In addition, much like any other government / military, there would be different branches. Hakeev might simply be the leader of one of those branches, and not speak for the entirety of the Tal Shiar.

    I would agree that any True Way / Obsidian Order member wouldn't want the Iconian running riot through the galaxy, and to be fair to both parties, their last alliance against the Dominion was to protect their respective empires. They had a common goal and joined forces to see it done. A further common goal could be to rival the Federation and Klingon Empire in political and military strength, if not for an all out war, then just to say "we're here, and we're able to be a force if needed."
    If there were a Tal Shiar/True Way faction (which would be awesome, once the KDF gets fleshed out) I'd say it should have the following races:
    • Romulan
    • Reman (some of them were helping Taris, after all)
    • Cardassian
    • Jem'Hadar
    • Alien

    And that's it.
    Heh, you've got people now asking for more KDF species. :P A Rommie-Cardie mix would probably end up desiring more, and there is background for most of the other races I've mentioned. Sure, they'd have to get a little creative with the induction of them, but I think it would work out well.
    I'd like to play a Faction based on Mol'Rihan. But.... my most ambitious idea for a Romulan faction is to have the player work for (accept missions from) whichever parts of the Romulan Heirarchy they choose. Taris, Sela, Obisek.... It'd be up to the player whether they want to help or oppose the Iconians and Tal'Shiar.
    Except, to date, STO doesn't give that option. For the most part, the story is linear and needs to match up through all three factions.
    duaths1 wrote: »
    Rator III

    is here from the launch. It is mentioned in the Romulan FE, many times as a HUGE nice city/planet/settlement.. i just wanna see it then!
    I swear every time I see Rator III it's just a bunch of rocks in space. :rolleyes:
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    Seriously, are you buying that "now we are cooperative Federation carbon copies, and it is only a strange coincidence that we need your help just as we transformed ourselves"?
    Why is such not believable? They're hardly carbon copies of the Federation. The Federation is about exploration for starters, all D'Tan is currently interested in is building New Romulus up for his people. They need aid because the Empire is in pieces, it's a power struggle, and D'Tan and his supporters are no doubt lacking in supplies.
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    Sure D'Tan wants a more peaceful future (the Romulans always wanted that), but you can very much bet that he has his own agenda for that... and I am not even sure if he really is a reunificationist. I am pretty sure, though, that the Tier 1 cutscene was placed there for manipulative reasons. Very Romulan, wouldn't you agree?
    I fear you're looking into the cut-scenes a little too much.
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    How would a Tal Shiar faction ever possibly do STF's, or do the faction-indepdendent story missions like the 2800?
    The 2800 series is after the Dominion War, thus if there was a mixed Tal Shiar - Obsidian Order faction, the story would play out the same for them; the 2800 represent a threat to the Quadrant; one that must be stopped.
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  • zahinderzahinder Member Posts: 2,382 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Personally, if there was a third playable faction (after actually making a second playable faction), I'd love to see a neutral/mercenary/open faction, for all the traders and unaffiliated types.

    This would let a neutral Fleet be essentially its own organization:
    Splinter group of Gorn revolutionaries
    Former Romulan battalion holding its own identity
    Ferengi corporation/trade partnership
    Some alien planet's exploration fleet
    Mercenary band


    Etc.

    Faction content would be, basically, loads of odd jobs. Cluster missions would be pretty flexibe: planet needs help! Do you a) offer mercenary services, b) be charitable, or c) take advantage of their weakness?


    There wouldn't really need to be a lot of core story content, which could be a weakness, but I think the relative freedom would appeal to a lot of people.
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    Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?

    Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?

    Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
  • recksracerrecksracer Member Posts: 128 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    They havn't finished the second faction in the years theyve had and they aren't even working towards it.

    How can anyone believe a third faction will ever be made?
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    zahinder wrote: »
    Faction content would be, basically, loads of odd jobs. Cluster missions would be pretty flexibe: planet needs help! Do you a) offer mercenary services, b) be charitable, or c) take advantage of their weakness?

    There wouldn't really need to be a lot of core story content, which could be a weakness, but I think the relative freedom would appeal to a lot of people.
    I think such a faction would get pretty boring, pretty quick. :eek:
    recksracer wrote: »
    They havn't finished the second faction in the years theyve had and they aren't even working towards it.
    How do you know that they aren't working on it?
    recksracer wrote: »
    How can anyone believe a third faction will ever be made?
    We're optimists.
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  • recksracerrecksracer Member Posts: 128 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    flash525 wrote: »
    I think such a faction would get pretty boring, pretty quick. :eek:

    How do you know that they aren't working on it?

    We're optimists.

    If theyre working on it they are horrible at thier job.

    The klingon faction is actually less complete than it was before f2p.
  • zahinderzahinder Member Posts: 2,382 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    They might also be working on a system that configures all adventures to your information and personal history. And lets you fly giant magic ponies in space.


    We work with the evidence we have.
    Campaign: The Fenwick Cycle NWS-DKR9GB7KH

    Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?

    Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?

    Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I think that the handwriting has been on the wall for us for a while now. I think it is time that we simply begin accepting the fact that STO is not going to be the game WE want it to be, and that it will be the game PWE wants it to be, and either roll with what they roll out, or roll out of the door, which we are free to roll back into at any time.

    Surrender? Never! :D
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  • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I always laugh reading these conspiracy rants about evil PWE and how they are corrupting Star Trek Online. without PWE, Star Trek Online would have been shelved, gone, a memory, so all of the sniping at PWE is the height of ingratitude.
    This isn't some utopian fantasy world where what you want is something you are entitled to with no strings attached, it's a business and STO is a product, it costs money to make, money to run and they have to make a profit or it's not worth them having anything to do with it, that's reality. If you don't like how PWE is doing things, then by all means become a millionaire, hire a studio, set up a server, buy the rights and make a Star Trek product the way you think it should be, otherwise STFU and deal with it.
    D'Stahl indicated that more content is coming for the Klingons, maybe not as much as some would hope but it is a step in the right direction. Star Trek was never about the Klingons or the Romulans it was always about the Federation and how it interacts with these other factions, anything told about these factions have never been more than merely side stories, so any attention paid to them is a bonus.
    As it stands the Klingon story is rather shallow, and much more would be desired to know who they are, what they are and why they are the way they are, plenty of room there to flesh out the Klingons as a people rather than have them merely being the quarrelsome goons they appear to be.
    For a third faction does it really have to be a defined government/military? The Star Trek universe also has an abundance of civilian operators who have no defined loyalties; Traders, Engineers, Terraformers, Miners, Mercenaries, of many races, private contractors whose only real loyalty is to their next paycheck.
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  • eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Well on Forsaken World, another PWE MMO, they just introduced another Race/Faction, so hopefully it is on the cards.

    Cryptic really needs to start cooperating with the Foundry authors to help fill in those story gaps.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    perhaps the Romulans could INVADE cardassia and enslave the cardassians
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    perhaps the Romulans could INVADE cardassia and enslave the cardassians

    I guess it's possible, but I don't think they're strong enough right now to invade a Federation protectorate.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    oh they are

    See the Romulans have been secretly building up since the destruction of Romulus

    Three Enormous cloaked stations have been built each many times larger than ESD
    Hundreds of Warbirds stand ready
    and with the Federation and the Klingons "distracted" by the New Romulus project and the Borg
    TRUE Romulan forces are ready to take Cardassia and various other soft targets as part of a reborn empire

    AVE
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  • crusader2007crusader2007 Member Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    flash525 wrote: »
    Yes, I'm aware we've had numerous discussions on a third faction already, but most (if not all) of them are Romulan focused, and I think we need to be looking elsewhere. Why you might ask? New Romulus. The only two factions left that I'd think people really would want to see and play are the Romulans (with Remans) and Cardassians (with Jem Hadar).

    The Star Empire as we know it is gone. The majority of Romulans wish to settle down on New Romulus and other planets within their new sector. The remnants of the Star Empire leaves only the Tal Shiar, and they've always been above the Star Empire anyway. With the new sector, and half the Romulans wanting peace, it doesn't seem... practical to start up a playable Romulan faction. Its stated in dialogues that they just want to start over and get their colony up and running. Sure they've got some ships, but I don't think they've got the ships and fleet necessary to do what the Federation and Klingon Empire is doing.

    My suggestion, for a third playable faction would be to have another Alliance of sorts (which in actuality, is no different to the current two factions; they're made up of a collection of species all with a similar purpose).

    You've got the Tal Shiar, so you've got a starting point (and people who wish it get to play as a Romulan). Bring back the Obsidian Order and have them align with the Tal Shiar (now you've got people wishing to play as Cardassians happy). If we try to focus more toward a police-state, then you can add the Suliban (they'd make good spies), Vaudwaar (I can elaborate on them later) and Jem Hadar (soldiers) would all make for good additions, and you can throw in the Reman as Zen Purchases (I figure a Reman in the Tal Shiar would be rare, but not unheard of).

    That's the same number of unique faction-races that the KDF currently has.

    Bird of Prey and Hideki as your early-escorts, Keldon and D'Deridex as your Tier #5 Cruisers, the Jem Hadar War Cruiser and Norexan (Mogai) as the Tier #5 Escorts. You don't need to worry so much about cross-customization, so long as we're not limited to a single ship choice per tier. For what it's worth, there are countless fan designs out there that I know you can use (the Odyssey is a fan design; as is the Vesta).

    I think this would solve the question of who to have as a third faction, and I think it would solve the issue of where to go with the Romulan aspect of it now that most of them have settled down. We also know (from the end of the Dominion War) that the Cardassian Military was disbanded, whereas the Obsidian Order dosen't work within the restraints any former negotiations with Starfleet, thus that explains your Cardassian ships.

    Most MMO's have at least three factions. STO currently has one and a bit (KDF isn't finished until we've got levels 1 through 50). But yeah, this is my suggestion for a third faction that would keep Romulan, Cardassian and Jem Hadar fans happy. Preferably to be implemented after the completion of the Klingon Faction.

    We can keep on dreaming about the many other factions. However, they already have decided it will be Romulan and Cardassians.

    Check from Dan himself:
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=484991&highlight=romulan%2Fcardi
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    recksracer wrote: »
    If theyre working on it they are horrible at thier job.
    The fact is, we don't know what they're working on. We know only what we're told. You're currently jumping to conclusions. :)
    recksracer wrote: »
    The klingon faction is actually less complete than it was before f2p.
    That's not actually possible. How is it less complete than it was before?
    eldarion79 wrote: »
    Cryptic really needs to start cooperating with the Foundry authors to help fill in those story gaps.
    Quoted for truth.
    We can keep on dreaming about the many other factions. However, they already have decided it will be Romulan and Cardassians.
    With all due respect, have you read any other part of this thread other than my original post?
    All this would confirm is what I want ~ a joint Cardassian-Romulan faction. However, that isn't what Dan has said. What he's said is that they're working on a Cardassian and Romulan playable characters. That could be anything from a unique Bridge Officer, to a mini-faction, to a fully fledged out faction. We don't know. Nothing has been confirmed.
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Adding outside the company help would be exactly that, it would be HELP and Foundry authors would have to toe the line and pretty much ... working for free, this brings up A LOT of issues (starting with the Writer's Guild) and its a reason why no company does that, ever.
    Didn't think about that. :(
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    oh they are

    See the Romulans have been secretly building up since the destruction of Romulus

    Three Enormous cloaked stations have been built each many times larger than ESD
    Hundreds of Warbirds stand ready
    and with the Federation and the Klingons "distracted" by the New Romulus project and the Borg
    TRUE Romulan forces are ready to take Cardassia and various other soft targets as part of a reborn empire

    AVE

    *shrugs* Anything's possible.
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    -Thomas Marrone
  • zahinderzahinder Member Posts: 2,382 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Well, they could have a hands-off approach to encouraging desired content, like contests and what-not.

    As for Romulans/Cardassians... yes, it could mean a faction! Ooooor it could simply mean those races will become available for Federation and/or KDF.

    I can imagine all sorts of 'splinter groups' or individuals deciding to do so. I mean, heck, if we can have Pakled Science officers...
    Campaign: The Fenwick Cycle NWS-DKR9GB7KH

    Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?

    Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?

    Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
  • eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    flash525 wrote: »
    The fact is, we don't know what they're working on. We know only what we're told. You're currently jumping to conclusions. :)

    That's not actually possible. How is it less complete than it was before?

    Quoted for truth.

    With all due respect, have you read any other part of this thread other than my original post?

    All this would confirm is what I want ~ a joint Cardassian-Romulan faction. However, that isn't what Dan has said. What he's said is that they're working on a Cardassian and Romulan playable characters. That could be anything from a unique Bridge Officer, to a mini-faction, to a fully fledged out faction. We don't know. Nothing has been confirmed.

    Didn't think about that. :(

    I didn't say for free, but they could be covered under free lance or however they can figure it out. Right now, the Foundry is a great tool that is very underused especially in this spare contented Game.

    How about for the next first set of KDF stories, it could be a contest with the winners getting a ship only the winning authors will get. The story guidelines will be set down and voted by the STO players.
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