make a rom character.. do a mission.. bla bla bla.. right what side do you want to join... fed or kdf ?
In my opinion, that would make the whole idea of a Romulan Faction (mini or otherwise) entirely pointless. If they were to take this route, they'd be better off throwing a Romulan Character Requisition Form onto the Zen Store (allowing people to select a Romulan to have as a character), and releasing the Deridex and Mogai in lock boxes whilst throwing the Bird of Prey into the Lobi Store or something.
Why on earth go to all the trouble of creating an actual faction only to throw them into one of the already existing ones? Doesn't make sense to me. Most MMO's have three factions (or more). Why STO only has 1.5 I'll never know. Normally I'd blame PWE, but the 1.5 situation existed before PWE bought Cryptic.
In my opinion, that would make the whole idea of a Romulan Faction (mini or otherwise) entirely pointless. If they were to take this route, they'd be better off throwing a Romulan Character Requisition Form onto the Zen Store (allowing people to select a Romulan to have as a character), and releasing the Deridex and Mogai in lock boxes whilst throwing the Bird of Prey into the Lobi Store or something.
Why on earth go to all the trouble of creating an actual faction only to throw them into one of the already existing ones? Doesn't make sense to me. Most MMO's have three factions (or more). Why STO only has 1.5 I'll never know. Normally I'd blame PWE, but the 1.5 situation existed before PWE bought Cryptic.
If they made it so only "Romulan" characters could access those ships via.. non.. lobi/lockbox means I could live with it.
If they ever add that first officer(npc) to PC thing .. we'll be able to get Romulan PC from the fleet embasseys.
If it were down to me, STO would have started with three fully-fledged factions (Federation, Imperial Empire (Klingons and co) and a Majestic Star Empire (Romulans and co). Like mentioned above, most MMO's have three sides to them, and STO (for me) should be no different. I'd be more than satisfied with that.
I'd keep the Gorn with the Klingons, not sure what I'd do with the Orions (Klingons or Romulans). Either way, I'd make them more defined so they weren't essentially 2nd rate citizens. The Ferengi would remain as Traders. Cardassians; if we are to follow DS9, the Cardassians have no true Military to speak of. They'd be joining up with Starfleet or the Romulans.
If it were down to me, STO would have started with three fully-fledged factions (Federation, Imperial Empire (Klingons and co) and a Majestic Star Empire (Romulans and co). Like mentioned above, most MMO's have three sides to them, and STO (for me) should be no different. I'd be more than satisfied with that.
I'd keep the Gorn with the Klingons, not sure what I'd do with the Orions (Klingons or Romulans). Either way, I'd make them more defined so they weren't essentially 2nd rate citizens. The Ferengi would remain as Traders. Cardassians; if we are to follow DS9, the Cardassians have no true Military to speak of. They'd be joining up with Starfleet or the Romulans.
It would work, yes. But I wouldn't like it, nor would I invest any money in it either. Not that way.
Myself, I'd like to see a completely neutral base faction. You can work the merchant, freighter, or pirate life, or depending on your race you have the option of joining the Romulan, Fed, or Klingon fleets. each race with a themepark homeworld, then expanding out to a sandbox galaxy wherein the fleets protect the civilians from the other fleets, or from other civilians, while expanding their holdings by competitive action for control of several worlds across the neutral zones. This... will never happen. Oh well.
I'll sell you some weapons from New Romulus. Never fired, only dropped once.
well unless they have a secret team working on romulan stuff... I think the ships will fall to the lockbox.
That, or nothing will yet come of it. Apparently it's been said that Romulan ships wont be going in lock boxes, but then statements can change.
Still, as with the Galor, it wouldn't hurt to throw one Romulan Ship (Deridex) into a Lock Box, then keep the others for a potential faction (whether its combined with the Cardassians or not).
The Romulan Bird of Prey is an Escort, as is the Mogai. The Galor (already released) and the Keldon would be Cruisers. If they were ever to go with a unification of the Romulan and Cardassian, then the Keldon can take the slot that the Deridex would have; that's not to say the Deridex couldn't be purchased anyway.
.....really wish we'd get a solid answer about a full Romulan / 3rd faction. Least we'd know, save endlessly hoping and guessing.
I don't want my beloved Romulans to be a hybrid faction. STO has established a great lore for Romulan Star Empire's background with loads of missions. They gave us New Romulus Adventure Zone to placate the 3rd Faction supporters.
I, for one, would love to see a war-torn Romulan space, as told by The Path to STO lore. If you use history, you can see three mini-factions vying for control of RSE space. One planet will not destroy an empire, cripple it and produce a huge power vacuum, yes.
First faction will of course be the Old Guard, there is always a group who love the Good Ole Days. This faction will have the support of the KDF to help turn the RSE controllable.
Second faction will be the more let's model the UFP (democracy) group. This faction will be supported by the UFP, naturally.
Third faction will be the Remans and other conquered people's who want either a Confederacy or full independence. This faction will actually have mini-factions and a reputation system can be put into effect for each.
However, unless a large influx of cash is pushed into Cryptic with specific charges to finish the KDF and to start Faction 3, all we will see is another mini-mission to help with the rep system. They have already said they have plans for Defera and possibly Tholians.
That, or nothing will yet come of it. Apparently it's been said that Romulan ships wont be going in lock boxes, but then statements can change.
Still, as with the Galor, it wouldn't hurt to throw one Romulan Ship (Deridex) into a Lock Box, then keep the others for a potential faction (whether its combined with the Cardassians or not).
The Romulan Bird of Prey is an Escort, as is the Mogai. The Galor (already released) and the Keldon would be Cruisers. If they were ever to go with a unification of the Romulan and Cardassian, then the Keldon can take the slot that the Deridex would have; that's not to say the Deridex couldn't be purchased anyway.
.....really wish we'd get a solid answer about a full Romulan / 3rd faction. Least we'd know, save endlessly hoping and guessing.
Probably not, though we can live in hope. I am.
combining a few "factions together sounds cool..
they could "pull" a typhon pack.. dump several species ships in together and walaa third faction.
Romulans
Cardassians
Breen
Tholians (you know you want to be a spider :P)
I don't want my beloved Romulans to be a hybrid faction.
Ideally, I'd rather have a pure Romulan faction too, however, I'd also think it nice to play as a Cardassian (an actual Cardassian, not an Alien that looks like one) and I'd like to fly a Galor (or Keldon) without the need to pay toward a load more boxes that still probably wont give me one.
I would however settle for a faction that revolves around the alliance of the Romulan and Cardassian Secret Service. It's a compromise not only for Romulan Fans, but for Cardassian Fans as well, cause lets face it, if the KDF still isn't complete, and we're still waiting on a 3rd faction, what are the chances we're ever going to get a 4th?
Combining the two would be a surprisingly easy task, and if people didn't want to play as one or the other, they need only to stick to a Romulan/Cardassian ship with a Romulan/Cardassian crew.
First faction will of course be the Old Guard, there is always a group who love the Good Ole Days. This faction will have the support of the KDF to help turn the RSE controllable.
Second faction will be the more let's model the UFP (democracy) group. This faction will be supported by the UFP, naturally.
Third faction will be the Remans and other conquered people's who want either a Confederacy or full independence. This faction will actually have mini-factions and a reputation system can be put into effect for each.
4th Faction; Tal Shiar. They don't really fit in with any of the above.
Romulans
Cardassians
Breen
Tholians (you know you want to be a spider :P)
Typhoon Pack, yeah. Though knowing how the Breen treated the Cardassians, and knowing how the Romulans don't trust the Breen, I'm not sure they'd be ideal... candidates. As for the Tholians... I'd rather them remain xenomorphic aliens to be honest.
Typhoon Pack, yeah. Though knowing how the Breen treated the Cardassians, and knowing how the Romulans don't trust the Breen, I'm not sure they'd be ideal... candidates. As for the Tholians... I'd rather them remain xenomorphic aliens to be honest.
while true.. I want to be a Breen.. and since there is no way in hell that'll happen before the spoon ehads nad romulans... assuming that happen... its worth trying to squeeze them in.
Hirogen then? their ships use a lot of sci powers.
while true.. I want to be a Breen.. and since there is no way in hell that'll happen before the spoon ehads nad romulans... assuming that happen... its worth trying to squeeze them in.
Hirogen then? their ships use a lot of sci powers.
The Hirogen would work well, yeah. Actually, I don't know why I didn't include them initially. I can just picture the Tal Shiar setting a Hirogen Hunter on some drunken Klingons in the middle of a Forest somewhere after a BBQ and Ghost Stories. :cool:
I am a fan, and I do know the lore. What I am saying is that it is scientifically impossible for a supernova to wipe out an entire Galaxy.
Every time I see some science wiz going on about this I cringe. First of all it's science FICTION so where reality fits into that is a coin toss, but even in this fiction we will agree that a supernova could not threaten the entire galaxy, it would decimate adjacent systems. What would threaten the galaxy would be the political consequences if those threatened systems belonged to a paranoid militaristic advanced civilization, the Romulans. So please stop being so literal, it isn't the supernova that is threatening the galaxy, it's the complete disruption of the balance of power in the quadrant and resulting political turmoil that is threatening the Galaxy, which was caused by the supernova.
As for the original topic, talk of a 3rd faction is by far premature and shouldn't even be considered until much is done to complete the Klingon faction. The game could have gone a different way, keeping the Federation and Klingons as allies with Romulans as the enemy faction, but that is not what they chose to do and the game certainly doesn't need another partially completed, partially abandoned faction.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
Every time I see some science wiz going on about this I cringe. First of all it's science FICTION so where reality fits into that is a coin toss, but even in this fiction we will agree that a supernova could not threaten the entire galaxy, it would decimate adjacent systems. What would threaten the galaxy would be the political consequences if those threatened systems belonged to a paranoid militaristic advanced civilization, the Romulans. So please stop being so literal, it isn't the supernova that is threatening the galaxy, it's the complete disruption of the balance of power in the quadrant and resulting political turmoil that is threatening the Galaxy, which was caused by the supernova.
Whether intended or not, the way Future Spock spoke in the rebooted film implied that the Supernova from Hobus would result in the destruction of the Galaxy. It isn't implied that he is talking about political consequences or paranoid militaristic factions. Maybe you received that segment differently, but if you do a little hunting around the internet, you'll see there are many people and posts (film reviews and fan reviews alike) that have picked up on this little... inconsistency, thus they've obviously got the same thought from the statement as I did.
The mention of it (from me) was to apparently enlighten another poster in regard to the evacuation of the (now former) Romulan Home World.
As for the original topic, talk of a 3rd faction is by far premature and shouldn't even be considered until much is done to complete the Klingon faction. The game could have gone a different way, keeping the Federation and Klingons as allies with Romulans as the enemy faction, but that is not what they chose to do and the game certainly doesn't need another partially completed, partially abandoned faction.
Like it hasn't been said already, we know about this (the need for people to continually remind everyone is overly irritating). What we can do though is share suggestions, comment on what we'd like to see, and hope for the best. Hell, for all we know, the devs might pick up on some requests or suggestions that (if or when) we see a third faction find their way there. Cryptic are only the minority, thus the majority with all the wild imaginations and ideas might actually help them make some decisions down the line.
The suggestion of the Typhon Pact as a faction is genius! They could easily replace either the Tzenkethi or the Kinshaya with the Hirogen or Cardassians. Even better, add both and leave the Gorn with the KDF.
While I would personally prefer a fully fleshed out Romulan only faction with ships and outfits (TOS Romulan uniforms for the win!), this probably makes the most sense as far as getting people the factions they want. Unlike others, I won't TRIBBLE all over other people getting what they want just because it's not what I want.
In keeping with that, I won't complain about "finishing the KDF, WAH!", but I will say I wish the KDF had a broader range of zstore costumes and race-specific bridge packs. Orion/Gorn/Nausicaan ships wouldn't have Klingon interiors..
And yes, I've heard the devs claim that they've lost money on some KDF ships.. sell some additional outfits for Orion girls and I'll bet they sell much better than the Voyager racing uniform or the TNG first season admiral uniform.
The suggestion of the Typhon Pact as a faction is genius! They could easily replace either the Tzenkethi or the Kinshaya with the Hirogen or Cardassians. Even better, add both and leave the Gorn with the KDF.
While I would personally prefer a fully fleshed out Romulan only faction with ships and outfits (TOS Romulan uniforms for the win!), this probably makes the most sense as far as getting people the factions they want. Unlike others, I won't TRIBBLE all over other people getting what they want just because it's not what I want.
In keeping with that, I won't complain about "finishing the KDF, WAH!", but I will say I wish the KDF had a broader range of zstore costumes and race-specific bridge packs. Orion/Gorn/Nausicaan ships wouldn't have Klingon interiors..
And yes, I've heard the devs claim that they've lost money on some KDF ships.. sell some additional outfits for Orion girls and I'll bet they sell much better than the Voyager racing uniform or the TNG first season admiral uniform.
make a .... "exotic pack" for the feds and profits will be through the roof.
Go team anti-intellectualism! People who strive for a better, more integrated understanding of the world around them are chumps, yo!
From now on every time I see someone giving someone else TRIBBLE for having gotten better than a C average in basic high school sciences, I'm just gonna troll post with an ICP "magnets" meme.
That said, didn't the earlier Hobus mission arc establish that the supernova wasn't a normal one, but was caused by some kind of funky high tech WMD research gone wrong or something, and that that explained the bizarre severity and unpredictability of the shockwave? I'll have to go back and check...
While I would personally prefer a fully fleshed out Romulan only faction with ships and outfits (TOS Romulan uniforms for the win!), this probably makes the most sense as far as getting people the factions they want. Unlike others, I won't TRIBBLE all over other people getting what they want just because it's not what I want.
In keeping with that, I won't complain about "finishing the KDF, WAH!", but I will say I wish the KDF had a broader range of zstore costumes and race-specific bridge packs. Orion/Gorn/Nausicaan ships wouldn't have Klingon interiors..
Add that to the list of KDF requirements, along with hair styles.
Go team anti-intellectualism! People who strive for a better, more integrated understanding of the world around them are chumps, yo!
From now on every time I see someone giving someone else TRIBBLE for having gotten better than a C average in basic high school sciences, I'm just gonna troll post with an ICP "magnets" meme.
That said, didn't the earlier Hobus mission arc establish that the supernova wasn't a normal one, but was caused by some kind of funky high tech WMD research gone wrong or something, and that that explained the bizarre severity and unpredictability of the shockwave? I'll have to go back and check...
Should this be true, then it wouldn't make sense as to why the Vulcan High Command, Starfleet, and god knows who else didn't intervene. In addition, if this supernova was to wipe out the galaxy, surely it wouldn't have mattered to the Romulans who thought they had a few more weeks, cause they'd all be dead along with everyone else once the Galaxy was destroyed. Go Figure! :rolleyes:
I guess the Romulan Senate had some great idea to jump over to the Andromeda Galaxy and start over.
The faction within a faction idea is new to STO and if implemented with a well thought out plan could keep the players interested. Which is the whole point of introducing new content no matter if it is a new hair style to a whole new sector loaded with missions on each planet.
I don't agree with Cryptic's no paid expansion because honestly they are showing us the world and giving us a small US county in North Dakota with building facades with no interiors. I would pay 20 bucks for a new sector loaded with new missions on each planet, new pvp maps related to the sector, an STF related to the sector, and a large new social zone.
Geko talked about the difficulty of trying to keep the Vesta true to book form without making it the God Ship.
The faction within a faction idea is new to STO and if implemented with a well thought out plan could keep the players interested. Which is the whole point of introducing new content no matter if it is a new hair style to a whole new sector loaded with missions on each planet.
I don't agree with Cryptic's no paid expansion because honestly they are showing us the world and giving us a small US county in North Dakota with building facades with no interiors. I would pay 20 bucks for a new sector loaded with new missions on each planet, new pvp maps related to the sector, an STF related to the sector, and a large new social zone.
In a way, we would be paying toward a new faction anyway. If it is a true faction, then most players would be buying up bank and inventory slots in addition to possible character and bridge officer slots; I know I would.
One thing I sure as hell wouldn't put any actual money into would be mini-factions. If these are ever released, Cryptic can look elsewhere for funding. I'll put money into a third faction, as I would an expanded Klingon one (within reason). Cryptic often answer KDF fans with "we're not making enough money from it". That's probably because most people don't want to play a faction that is deemed incomplete. If it were finished off, and brought up to speed, I'd think far more people would show interest.
The KDF needs a couple more ships (end game ones preferably), some more features for clothing (including hair) and some more missions; the latter of which they could ask of a community project. Get a small group of people together to compile a couple of Klingon episodes (via the Foundry or whatever) and you've got yourself a winner.
Oh I read what you wrote..... Honestly Roms would be an outright horrible choice...
They're being supported by the Federation and the KDF to even survive at this point. I'm not against them being a 3d faction in time. But, I'd rather see the 3rd faction be one that can stand up without assistance.
A mini faction is fine..
They did something similar in City of Heroes with the Praetorians
Give Roms level 1-20 content, then have them choose if they want to join the Federation or KDF.
I think the millions of refugees from the Romulan Civil War that is going on right now, who have settled Tau Dewa, are a perfect candidate for a full Romulan faction.
Oh I read what you wrote..... Honestly Roms would be an outright horrible choice...
They're being supported by the Federation and the KDF to even survive at this point. I'm not against them being a 3d faction in time. But, I'd rather see the 3rd faction be one that can stand up without assistance.
That's why I'm not asking that Romulans be the third faction, I am asking that the Tal Shiar, Obsidian Order and others be the third faction.
We wouldn't be taking away from the Romulans then.
The scattered romulan fleet (and its still pretty big easily bigger than the Klingons)
Rally round a new leader (Call him Augustus just as an example)
He gathers the battle fleet together and quietly (oh so quietly ) refits the fleet
then task groups head out
within hours Romulan ships have taken control of new romulus again
(embassys get to stay just with proper romulans about)
Romulan war birds with new "experimental" weapons attack and clear the incursions into their space
The Borg are taken by surprise and Wiped out in the quadrant
Q is given an atomic wedgie by a daring Romulan Centurion (Female) and leaves crying to "tell his dad on you"
The STFS CHANGE (no more grinding against the borg forever you complete each one once on Elite then can run it only as a "simulation" no loss in benefits just no more blasted Borg everywhere)
The new re-established Romulans have more powerful ships
better weapons and better shields (think the ones in the missions )
And the new Romulan faction is born
SIMPLE
And we make the requirements for Romulan characters
level 50 Klingon character
365 Days of play
And a vacant character slot
Then we include Romulan BOFFS in the Zstore at the same price as the naff Borg one
I actually agree with the OP and I think he's got some good points.
With the way New Romulus is done, I don't think that group could ever be turned into a playable faction. Firstly it would completely negate the New Romulus rep system for any Romulan Faction characters. I think Cryptic would want to keep as many of their systems in place as possible; trying to have a faction play differently causes all sorts of problems and I don't think Cryptic is up to it. You would have to have a faction that could do all the rep grinds just like Fed/KDF, have their own starbases, their own collection of races, etc. At this point, I don't think the New Romulus faction is anything more than a group of Romulans/Remans trying to start a new life.
More importantly, the New Romulus (NR) faction is, so far, completely unlike the traditional style of Romulans that we all know and love. I think with a playable faction, people would mostly want to recreate that feeling of the Romulans from the shows/movies that we fell in love with the first time around; the NR people just aren't it.
The Tal Shiar are the ones who are still holding on to the ideals of the old-style Romulans, and I think that's what a Romulan Faction would have to focus on. The remnants of the Obsidian Order would also serve a similar purpose for people wanting to play Cardassians. Right now the Tal Shiar are attempting to curry favour and power from the Iconians, but we can suspect that will not work out for them in the long run. At some point they'll have to find another way to consolidate power if they're going to bring back their empire. The Obsidian Order might prove to be beneficial allies in this endeavor as I would imagine that they want a very similar goal. As Romulan space and Cardassian space don't overlap, it would be easy for them to band together to mutually strengthen their power bases, with agreements that would let them each keep their own traditional sectors later on. (Though they'd each have a 'contingency' plan to take the other's sectors as well, you know, just in case lol)
Now, in regards to the Jem Hadar, I think that would be a bit more difficult to bring in. The Jem Hadar are very loyal to the founders, so you'd be hard pressed to get them to break off as a group. However, they are bred soldiers who are kept additionally loyal via ketracel. If the Founders have truly entered into an era of peace for the Dominion, it would mean much less need for the Jem Hadar to actually serve their purpose. In a time of peace, these bred soldiers might languish and become disillusioned. They might see the Obsidian Order/Tal Shiar as a new source of battle and honour, a new movement to attach themselves too. Of course, these would have to be a break-away splinter faction of Jem Hadar, grown restless and frustrated perhaps at their current state of obsolescence.
The Hirogen already work with the Tal Shiar, so that would bring them in easily. Of course you would have the Alien option. Regarding Liberated Borg, it would be feasible to have either LB Romulans or LB Cardassians, though LB Romulans would make a lot of sence. We already know the Romulans had a run-in with the Borg which gave rise to assimilated Romulans like Donatra. It's reasonable to think also that there would be Remans in the Tal Shiar, as any shadow organization would want to have their hands in the Reman faction as well as the Romulans. I'm not really up on my Breen knowledge so I'm not sure if it would make sense for them to leave the Dominion.
I would love to have a playable Romulan faction, but it would have to be done right. I don't know if I yet trust Cryptic enough to not make a mess of it.
I actually agree with the OP and I think he's got some good points.
I thank you, not only for agreeing, but for also putting some time and effort into your post. This is the sort of feedback I wanted. Save quoting it, your first and second paragraphs, spot on. I couldn't agree more with that.
Right now the Tal Shiar are attempting to curry favour and power from the Iconians, but we can suspect that will not work out for them in the long run. At some point they'll have to find another way to consolidate power if they're going to bring back their empire. The Obsidian Order might prove to be beneficial allies in this endeavor as I would imagine that they want a very similar goal. As Romulan space and Cardassian space don't overlap, it would be easy for them to band together to mutually strengthen their power bases, with agreements that would let them each keep their own traditional sectors later on.
Exactly; it'll be the best of both worlds for all that play. With two founding factions too, it wouldn't surprise me if this got more players than a Klingon side.
Now, in regards to the Jem Hadar, I think that would be a bit more difficult to bring in.
*snip
You are right with everything else you've said, yet there are Alpha Jem Hadar who serve the True Way (detailed in the Cardassian Campaign) thus it seems obvious to me that not all of them follow the path of the Founder. You've also got a Jem Hadar soldier that wanted to join your crew. :P Wasn't there an episode of DS9 too that involved a rebellious group of Jem Hadar and an Iconian Gateway? Those Jem Hadar weren't following the will of the Founders.
As you've also stated, the Jem Hadar love to fight, and at the moment, the Dominion isn't doing a whole lot of that. I would however limit them to Tactical Boffs. A Science Jem Hadar just wouldn't 'feel right'. I can't picture a Jem Hadar de-shrouding with a Med Kit.
The Hirogen already work with the Tal Shiar, so that would bring them in easily.
I can't remember whether I've said this already, but the Hirogen (whilst I'd include them) I would restrict to a Zen Purchase. I can't realistically see a group of Hirogen serving on a Romulan or Cardassian ship.
Regarding Liberated Borg, it would be feasible to have either LB Romulans or LB Cardassians, though LB Romulans would make a lot of sence.
Hell, have both? There was an episode of Voyager where Chakotay came into contact with some former drones; it was mentioned in that episode that after these drones became 'free' a bunch of Cardassians attacked a group of Klingons.
It's reasonable to think also that there would be Remans in the Tal Shiar, as any shadow organization would want to have their hands in the Reman faction as well as the Romulans.
This one I'm indecisive about. I'd imagine the Tal Shiar would treat the Reman even worse than the Senate did, though I wouldn't rule out a couple of Reman (with position) lending a hand. This is primarily the reason I threw the Suliban into the mix cause (with their genetic enhancements) they'd be adequate soldiers. They displayed their tactics in Enterprise.
I would love to have a playable Romulan faction, but it would have to be done right. I don't know if I yet trust Cryptic enough to not make a mess of it.
Personally, combining the Tal Shiar with the Obsidian Order is the only way I can think it to be done, hence my reasons for bringing the idea to the forums.
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In my opinion, that would make the whole idea of a Romulan Faction (mini or otherwise) entirely pointless. If they were to take this route, they'd be better off throwing a Romulan Character Requisition Form onto the Zen Store (allowing people to select a Romulan to have as a character), and releasing the Deridex and Mogai in lock boxes whilst throwing the Bird of Prey into the Lobi Store or something.
Why on earth go to all the trouble of creating an actual faction only to throw them into one of the already existing ones? Doesn't make sense to me. Most MMO's have three factions (or more). Why STO only has 1.5 I'll never know. Normally I'd blame PWE, but the 1.5 situation existed before PWE bought Cryptic.
My Assault Cruiser would say otherwise.
The ferengi would be a faction
and the Romulans would be a faction
the cardassians however would be free floating debris
If they made it so only "Romulan" characters could access those ships via.. non.. lobi/lockbox means I could live with it.
If they ever add that first officer(npc) to PC thing .. we'll be able to get Romulan PC from the fleet embasseys.
I'd keep the Gorn with the Klingons, not sure what I'd do with the Orions (Klingons or Romulans). Either way, I'd make them more defined so they weren't essentially 2nd rate citizens. The Ferengi would remain as Traders. Cardassians; if we are to follow DS9, the Cardassians have no true Military to speak of. They'd be joining up with Starfleet or the Romulans.
It would work, yes. But I wouldn't like it, nor would I invest any money in it either. Not that way.
Myself, I'd like to see a completely neutral base faction. You can work the merchant, freighter, or pirate life, or depending on your race you have the option of joining the Romulan, Fed, or Klingon fleets. each race with a themepark homeworld, then expanding out to a sandbox galaxy wherein the fleets protect the civilians from the other fleets, or from other civilians, while expanding their holdings by competitive action for control of several worlds across the neutral zones. This... will never happen. Oh well.
Still, as with the Galor, it wouldn't hurt to throw one Romulan Ship (Deridex) into a Lock Box, then keep the others for a potential faction (whether its combined with the Cardassians or not).
The Romulan Bird of Prey is an Escort, as is the Mogai. The Galor (already released) and the Keldon would be Cruisers. If they were ever to go with a unification of the Romulan and Cardassian, then the Keldon can take the slot that the Deridex would have; that's not to say the Deridex couldn't be purchased anyway.
.....really wish we'd get a solid answer about a full Romulan / 3rd faction. Least we'd know, save endlessly hoping and guessing.
Probably not, though we can live in hope. I am.
I, for one, would love to see a war-torn Romulan space, as told by The Path to STO lore. If you use history, you can see three mini-factions vying for control of RSE space. One planet will not destroy an empire, cripple it and produce a huge power vacuum, yes.
First faction will of course be the Old Guard, there is always a group who love the Good Ole Days. This faction will have the support of the KDF to help turn the RSE controllable.
Second faction will be the more let's model the UFP (democracy) group. This faction will be supported by the UFP, naturally.
Third faction will be the Remans and other conquered people's who want either a Confederacy or full independence. This faction will actually have mini-factions and a reputation system can be put into effect for each.
However, unless a large influx of cash is pushed into Cryptic with specific charges to finish the KDF and to start Faction 3, all we will see is another mini-mission to help with the rep system. They have already said they have plans for Defera and possibly Tholians.
combining a few "factions together sounds cool..
they could "pull" a typhon pack.. dump several species ships in together and walaa third faction.
Romulans
Cardassians
Breen
Tholians (you know you want to be a spider :P)
I would however settle for a faction that revolves around the alliance of the Romulan and Cardassian Secret Service. It's a compromise not only for Romulan Fans, but for Cardassian Fans as well, cause lets face it, if the KDF still isn't complete, and we're still waiting on a 3rd faction, what are the chances we're ever going to get a 4th?
Combining the two would be a surprisingly easy task, and if people didn't want to play as one or the other, they need only to stick to a Romulan/Cardassian ship with a Romulan/Cardassian crew.
They can always expand upon that lore.
4th Faction; Tal Shiar. They don't really fit in with any of the above.
In what sense do you speak?
Typhoon Pack, yeah. Though knowing how the Breen treated the Cardassians, and knowing how the Romulans don't trust the Breen, I'm not sure they'd be ideal... candidates.
Tal Shiar could fit into each of the three mini-factions due to their changing with the wind philosophy.
Geko said it during his interview about the Vesta on Priority One.
while true.. I want to be a Breen.. and since there is no way in hell that'll happen before the spoon ehads nad romulans... assuming that happen... its worth trying to squeeze them in.
Hirogen then? their ships use a lot of sci powers.
I'm sure they could, but I hate (and I mean, hate) the idea of a mini-faction.
What did Geko say about the Vesta?
Why Breen? You can't even see their faces. :P
The Hirogen would work well, yeah. Actually, I don't know why I didn't include them initially. I can just picture the Tal Shiar setting a Hirogen Hunter on some drunken Klingons in the middle of a Forest somewhere after a BBQ and Ghost Stories. :cool:
As for the original topic, talk of a 3rd faction is by far premature and shouldn't even be considered until much is done to complete the Klingon faction. The game could have gone a different way, keeping the Federation and Klingons as allies with Romulans as the enemy faction, but that is not what they chose to do and the game certainly doesn't need another partially completed, partially abandoned faction.
The mention of it (from me) was to apparently enlighten another poster in regard to the evacuation of the (now former) Romulan Home World.
Like it hasn't been said already, we know about this (the need for people to continually remind everyone is overly irritating). What we can do though is share suggestions, comment on what we'd like to see, and hope for the best. Hell, for all we know, the devs might pick up on some requests or suggestions that (if or when) we see a third faction find their way there. Cryptic are only the minority, thus the majority with all the wild imaginations and ideas might actually help them make some decisions down the line.
While I would personally prefer a fully fleshed out Romulan only faction with ships and outfits (TOS Romulan uniforms for the win!), this probably makes the most sense as far as getting people the factions they want. Unlike others, I won't TRIBBLE all over other people getting what they want just because it's not what I want.
In keeping with that, I won't complain about "finishing the KDF, WAH!", but I will say I wish the KDF had a broader range of zstore costumes and race-specific bridge packs. Orion/Gorn/Nausicaan ships wouldn't have Klingon interiors..
And yes, I've heard the devs claim that they've lost money on some KDF ships.. sell some additional outfits for Orion girls and I'll bet they sell much better than the Voyager racing uniform or the TNG first season admiral uniform.
make a .... "exotic pack" for the feds and profits will be through the roof.
that said.. KDF needs more outfits.
From now on every time I see someone giving someone else TRIBBLE for having gotten better than a C average in basic high school sciences, I'm just gonna troll post with an ICP "magnets" meme.
That said, didn't the earlier Hobus mission arc establish that the supernova wasn't a normal one, but was caused by some kind of funky high tech WMD research gone wrong or something, and that that explained the bizarre severity and unpredictability of the shockwave? I'll have to go back and check...
Off duty klingon outfits
Casual wear for Gorn (human skin boots perhaps)
Add that to the list of KDF requirements, along with hair styles.
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Should this be true, then it wouldn't make sense as to why the Vulcan High Command, Starfleet, and god knows who else didn't intervene. In addition, if this supernova was to wipe out the galaxy, surely it wouldn't have mattered to the Romulans who thought they had a few more weeks, cause they'd all be dead along with everyone else once the Galaxy was destroyed. Go Figure! :rolleyes:
I guess the Romulan Senate had some great idea to jump over to the Andromeda Galaxy and start over.
Short of the shoes / boots, I've got a fully clothed Orion Woman.
Edit: Actually, she's wearing Pants/Trousers, not a long Skirt.
Interesting.
Vulcan Robes
TOS look for Gorn
TOS uniforms for female Klingons
HAIR PACKS!
Wrath of Khan era KDF pack (Gorkon's outfit, Kruge's trenchcoat, fingerless gloves, D'k taghs, Klaa's sleeveless armor... Duras sisters skirts even)
I don't agree with Cryptic's no paid expansion because honestly they are showing us the world and giving us a small US county in North Dakota with building facades with no interiors. I would pay 20 bucks for a new sector loaded with new missions on each planet, new pvp maps related to the sector, an STF related to the sector, and a large new social zone.
Geko talked about the difficulty of trying to keep the Vesta true to book form without making it the God Ship.
In a way, we would be paying toward a new faction anyway. If it is a true faction, then most players would be buying up bank and inventory slots in addition to possible character and bridge officer slots; I know I would.
One thing I sure as hell wouldn't put any actual money into would be mini-factions. If these are ever released, Cryptic can look elsewhere for funding. I'll put money into a third faction, as I would an expanded Klingon one (within reason). Cryptic often answer KDF fans with "we're not making enough money from it". That's probably because most people don't want to play a faction that is deemed incomplete. If it were finished off, and brought up to speed, I'd think far more people would show interest.
The KDF needs a couple more ships (end game ones preferably), some more features for clothing (including hair) and some more missions; the latter of which they could ask of a community project. Get a small group of people together to compile a couple of Klingon episodes (via the Foundry or whatever) and you've got yourself a winner.
I'm curious, but did they have to follow every detail from the book? Was it some kind of condition?
I like this idea the most
Oh I read what you wrote..... Honestly Roms would be an outright horrible choice...
They're being supported by the Federation and the KDF to even survive at this point. I'm not against them being a 3d faction in time. But, I'd rather see the 3rd faction be one that can stand up without assistance.
A mini faction is fine..
They did something similar in City of Heroes with the Praetorians
Give Roms level 1-20 content, then have them choose if they want to join the Federation or KDF.
That's why I'm not asking that Romulans be the third faction, I am asking that the Tal Shiar, Obsidian Order and others be the third faction.
We wouldn't be taking away from the Romulans then.
Remind me, but where is City of Heroes now? :rolleyes:
The scattered romulan fleet (and its still pretty big easily bigger than the Klingons)
Rally round a new leader (Call him Augustus just as an example)
He gathers the battle fleet together and quietly (oh so quietly ) refits the fleet
then task groups head out
within hours Romulan ships have taken control of new romulus again
(embassys get to stay just with proper romulans about)
Romulan war birds with new "experimental" weapons attack and clear the incursions into their space
The Borg are taken by surprise and Wiped out in the quadrant
Q is given an atomic wedgie by a daring Romulan Centurion (Female) and leaves crying to "tell his dad on you"
The STFS CHANGE (no more grinding against the borg forever you complete each one once on Elite then can run it only as a "simulation" no loss in benefits just no more blasted Borg everywhere)
The new re-established Romulans have more powerful ships
better weapons and better shields (think the ones in the missions )
And the new Romulan faction is born
SIMPLE
And we make the requirements for Romulan characters
level 50 Klingon character
365 Days of play
And a vacant character slot
Then we include Romulan BOFFS in the Zstore at the same price as the naff Borg one
With the way New Romulus is done, I don't think that group could ever be turned into a playable faction. Firstly it would completely negate the New Romulus rep system for any Romulan Faction characters. I think Cryptic would want to keep as many of their systems in place as possible; trying to have a faction play differently causes all sorts of problems and I don't think Cryptic is up to it. You would have to have a faction that could do all the rep grinds just like Fed/KDF, have their own starbases, their own collection of races, etc. At this point, I don't think the New Romulus faction is anything more than a group of Romulans/Remans trying to start a new life.
More importantly, the New Romulus (NR) faction is, so far, completely unlike the traditional style of Romulans that we all know and love. I think with a playable faction, people would mostly want to recreate that feeling of the Romulans from the shows/movies that we fell in love with the first time around; the NR people just aren't it.
The Tal Shiar are the ones who are still holding on to the ideals of the old-style Romulans, and I think that's what a Romulan Faction would have to focus on. The remnants of the Obsidian Order would also serve a similar purpose for people wanting to play Cardassians. Right now the Tal Shiar are attempting to curry favour and power from the Iconians, but we can suspect that will not work out for them in the long run. At some point they'll have to find another way to consolidate power if they're going to bring back their empire. The Obsidian Order might prove to be beneficial allies in this endeavor as I would imagine that they want a very similar goal. As Romulan space and Cardassian space don't overlap, it would be easy for them to band together to mutually strengthen their power bases, with agreements that would let them each keep their own traditional sectors later on. (Though they'd each have a 'contingency' plan to take the other's sectors as well, you know, just in case lol)
Now, in regards to the Jem Hadar, I think that would be a bit more difficult to bring in. The Jem Hadar are very loyal to the founders, so you'd be hard pressed to get them to break off as a group. However, they are bred soldiers who are kept additionally loyal via ketracel. If the Founders have truly entered into an era of peace for the Dominion, it would mean much less need for the Jem Hadar to actually serve their purpose. In a time of peace, these bred soldiers might languish and become disillusioned. They might see the Obsidian Order/Tal Shiar as a new source of battle and honour, a new movement to attach themselves too. Of course, these would have to be a break-away splinter faction of Jem Hadar, grown restless and frustrated perhaps at their current state of obsolescence.
The Hirogen already work with the Tal Shiar, so that would bring them in easily. Of course you would have the Alien option. Regarding Liberated Borg, it would be feasible to have either LB Romulans or LB Cardassians, though LB Romulans would make a lot of sence. We already know the Romulans had a run-in with the Borg which gave rise to assimilated Romulans like Donatra. It's reasonable to think also that there would be Remans in the Tal Shiar, as any shadow organization would want to have their hands in the Reman faction as well as the Romulans. I'm not really up on my Breen knowledge so I'm not sure if it would make sense for them to leave the Dominion.
I would love to have a playable Romulan faction, but it would have to be done right. I don't know if I yet trust Cryptic enough to not make a mess of it.
I thank you, not only for agreeing, but for also putting some time and effort into your post. This is the sort of feedback I wanted. Save quoting it, your first and second paragraphs, spot on. I couldn't agree more with that.
Exactly; it'll be the best of both worlds for all that play. With two founding factions too, it wouldn't surprise me if this got more players than a Klingon side.
You are right with everything else you've said, yet there are Alpha Jem Hadar who serve the True Way (detailed in the Cardassian Campaign) thus it seems obvious to me that not all of them follow the path of the Founder. You've also got a Jem Hadar soldier that wanted to join your crew. :P Wasn't there an episode of DS9 too that involved a rebellious group of Jem Hadar and an Iconian Gateway? Those Jem Hadar weren't following the will of the Founders.
As you've also stated, the Jem Hadar love to fight, and at the moment, the Dominion isn't doing a whole lot of that. I would however limit them to Tactical Boffs. A Science Jem Hadar just wouldn't 'feel right'. I can't picture a Jem Hadar de-shrouding with a Med Kit.
I can't remember whether I've said this already, but the Hirogen (whilst I'd include them) I would restrict to a Zen Purchase. I can't realistically see a group of Hirogen serving on a Romulan or Cardassian ship.
Hell, have both? There was an episode of Voyager where Chakotay came into contact with some former drones; it was mentioned in that episode that after these drones became 'free' a bunch of Cardassians attacked a group of Klingons.
This one I'm indecisive about. I'd imagine the Tal Shiar would treat the Reman even worse than the Senate did, though I wouldn't rule out a couple of Reman (with position) lending a hand. This is primarily the reason I threw the Suliban into the mix cause (with their genetic enhancements) they'd be adequate soldiers. They displayed their tactics in Enterprise.
Personally, combining the Tal Shiar with the Obsidian Order is the only way I can think it to be done, hence my reasons for bringing the idea to the forums.