Yes, I'm aware we've had numerous discussions on a third faction already, but most (if not all) of them are Romulan focused, and I think we need to be looking elsewhere. Why you might ask? New Romulus. The only two factions left that I'd think people really would want to see and play are the Romulans (with Remans) and Cardassians (with Jem Hadar).
The Star Empire as we know it is gone. The majority of Romulans wish to settle down on New Romulus and other planets within their new sector. The remnants of the Star Empire leaves only the Tal Shiar, and they've always been above the Star Empire anyway. With the new sector, and half the Romulans wanting peace, it doesn't seem... practical to start up a playable Romulan faction. Its stated in dialogues that they just want to start over and get their colony up and running. Sure they've got some ships, but I don't think they've got the ships and fleet necessary to do what the Federation and Klingon Empire is doing.
My suggestion, for a third playable faction would be to have another Alliance of sorts (which in actuality, is no different to the current two factions; they're made up of a collection of species all with a similar purpose).
You've got the Tal Shiar, so you've got a starting point (and people who wish it get to play as a Romulan). Bring back the Obsidian Order and have them align with the Tal Shiar (now you've got people wishing to play as Cardassians happy). If we try to focus more toward a police-state, then you can add the Suliban (they'd make good spies), Vaudwaar (I can elaborate on them later) and Jem Hadar (soldiers) would all make for good additions, and you can throw in the Reman as Zen Purchases (I figure a Reman in the Tal Shiar would be rare, but not unheard of).
That's the same number of unique faction-races that the KDF currently has.
Bird of Prey and Hideki as your early-escorts, Keldon and D'Deridex as your Tier #5 Cruisers, the Jem Hadar War Cruiser and Norexan (Mogai) as the Tier #5 Escorts. You don't need to worry so much about cross-customization, so long as we're not limited to a single ship choice per tier. For what it's worth, there are countless fan designs out there that I know you can use (the Odyssey is a fan design; as is the Vesta).
I think this would solve the question of who to have as a third faction, and I think it would solve the issue of where to go with the Romulan aspect of it now that most of them have settled down. We also know (from the end of the Dominion War) that the Cardassian Military was disbanded, whereas the Obsidian Order dosen't work within the restraints any former negotiations with Starfleet, thus that explains your Cardassian ships.
Most MMO's have at least three factions. STO currently has one and a bit (KDF isn't finished until we've got levels 1 through 50). But yeah, this is my suggestion for a third faction that would keep Romulan, Cardassian and Jem Hadar fans happy. Preferably to be implemented after the completion of the Klingon Faction.
If they do go with New Romulus they need more races then Remen and Romulan.
Alien is obvious, but liberated Borg make sense too, Romulans get assimulated too.
Edo would be a good race to go with Romulans, Ktarans, and I'd allow Romulans access to Ferengi and Leatheans. Ferengi are greedy, but unaligned and the Empire hasn't accepted the Letheans so they're free agents.
This thread is basically, "Been there done that." It is the same rehash of numerous threads that suggest mini factions, factions, sub factions, a fraction of a faction and so on.
No new Faction or sub faction will ever be realized, simply because it is not cost efficient enough to do so. STO is on permanent maintenance mode with the occasional grind bone tossed in.
I applaud folks like you for wishful thinking, and trust me I really hope for another faction on any level would appear, but it is simply just that, wishful thinking.
Seriously though, stark2k nailed it. Development wise, STO is surviving by the skin of it's teeth, and that's by design. Expect the bare minimum.
Yeah, it doesn't have to be that way. Not by a long shot: Star Trek's big enough to make an actual commercially competitive and experience rich MMO, but the people pulling the strings in this case are devotees of the slash-and-burn business model. They don't want to be competitive, they don't want to be ambitious, they're not interested in growth. To them, an existing IP like Trek is a hill to be mined, not a seed to be farmed. Any new content we get is really just to keep the bubble from bursting before it's been tapped out. Enjoy it while it's around, by all means, but IMO don't expect it to last more than another two years or so, and don't expect Crypic/PWE to every try any harder than they already are.
By the sounds of it, if there was a third player faction, it would be Romulans.
While the OP has some good ideas about the Dominion with the variety of races and ships, they would have to open up the Gamma Quadrant.
But with the Romulans, I could easily see Cryptic taking a departure from the current Tactical / Science / Engineering paths and giving us new choices such as Tal Shiar Spy / Infiltrator, New Empire Captain, or Hirogen (other alien race) Captain. So you could pick a faction and choose who you ally with.
I'm pretty sure they made New Romulus so they can add the romulan without being part of a third faction. Romulan + Reman are ally with both the KDF and feds with new romulus. At least those on the planet. Next, they may send people to both KDF and feds, as part of some officers exchange, or whatever. Or maybe New Romulus will fail for some reason (undine, iconian, you name it), and the survivors will have to choose a side (doubtful).
I expect to start on New Romulus for a beginning, either as Reman or Romulan. Dunno the starting level. When your first chapter is done, you'll have to choose either being KDF or feds, for some reason explained during the past missions, and join this faction. Maybe they'll remove the romulan story part for romulan character, because it would make no sense, and add something else. Also, they'll probably add some "special" ship if you are Romulan, or maybe ships available for the level range of the unique story content Romulan will have. For example, flying in a bird of prey for your beginning, instead of a Miranda.
I think it's the easier way to introduce the Romulan, without having the same problem the KDF have : lack of content and whine about it. I don't say it would be the best to do, or what people want, but I think this is what will happen. Also, a third faction would dilute even more the playerbase, and I don't think Cryptic want it. If they release a "romulan" only z-store ship, do you think they'll make money with it, while they admit some KDF ship didn't ? Also, making new content/ships for 3 faction is even more difficult than just 2, and yet, they struggle for KDF content...
Also, I don't say I support this, I just think it will happen that way.
The game only has 1.5 factions so until KDF has been fully developed as a faction, meaning same number of missions as Fed at launch, then talk about a third faction is premature.
This thread is basically, "Been there done that." It is the same rehash of numerous threads that suggest mini factions, factions, sub factions, a fraction of a faction and so on.
No new Faction or sub faction will ever be realized, simply because it is not cost efficient enough to do so. STO is on permanent maintenance mode with the occasional grind bone tossed in.
I applaud folks like you for wishful thinking, and trust me I really hope for another faction on any level would appear, but it is simply just that, wishful thinking.
+1, holding out the faintest glimmer of hope but I know deep down this isn't happening.
Delta Rising is the best expansion ever and the players love it! No, seriously! ...Why are you laughing so hard?
New Romulus is not a faction. It is some hundreds of people building a colony. Perhaps thousands. Reunificationists.
RSE was in official lore BIGGER than Klingon imperium and smaller than KDF (see the normal Wikipedia).
If you think, that after the destruction of ONE star system, albeit the most important, all are dead, and there are NO OTHER systems settled by Romulans, you are joking.
If someone would destroy New York, would it be the end of USA? hell NO.
Next, i'm strongly against connecting Romulans with the Cardassians. I like both factions, but they are just too different.
Romulans are the tiger waiting in the bushes for the right time to streak. Cardassians are the clowns which are stealing your meal in front of you, pretending they need the oranges to make you laugh.
RSE was in official lore BIGGER than Klingon imperium and smaller than KDF (see the normal Wikipedia).
What's the Klingon Imperium and why is it smaller than the KDF (Klingon Defense Force) ?
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And you ignored the fact that's what Ronald Moore indicated.
The actual official maps show this is not true, the RSE is smaller than the Klingon Empire*
The Dominion, its big and powerful, unique flavour and one ship already exists.
The problem is, there is no basis for the Dominion to be involved in the Alpha / Beta Quadrant any more. Sure they'd make a good faction, but for the most part anyone who'd want to play as the Dominion would want to do so because of the Jem Hadar and Dominion ships; something that could be incorporated into a Cardassian or mixed Cardassian-Romulan faction.
The Founders control the Dominion, and last I checked, Odo was essentially their leader. As long as the Founders are left to their link, they have no quarrel with anyone. There would be little point in The Dominion War 2.0
No new Faction or sub faction will ever be realized, simply because it is not cost efficient enough to do so.
I applaud folks like you for wishful thinking, and trust me I really hope for another faction on any level would appear, but it is simply just that, wishful thinking.
Yeah, it doesn't have to be that way. Not by a long shot: Star Trek's big enough to make an actual commercially competitive and experience rich MMO, but the people pulling the strings in this case are devotees of the slash-and-burn business model. They don't want to be competitive, they don't want to be ambitious, they're not interested in growth. To them, an existing IP like Trek is a hill to be mined, not a seed to be farmed. Any new content we get is really just to keep the bubble from bursting before it's been tapped out. Enjoy it while it's around, by all means, but IMO don't expect it to last more than another two years or so, and don't expect Crypic/PWE to every try any harder than they already are.
By the sounds of it, if there was a third player faction, it would be Romulans.
Before New Romulus, I'd have agreed with you. Now that we've got New Romulus, I'm not so convinced that a true Romulan Faction could ever work. Considering the two most wanted next factions are Romulans and Cardassians, it makes sense to combine them. Hell, throw in a new sector left of Iota Pavonis and have a new universal homeworld for the two.
Also, I don't say I support this, I just think it will happen that way.
You might be right, but as stated above, I remain highly optimistic. I don't want the Romulans as part of the Federation or Klingon Empire (not that the latter would ever actually happen any way).
The game only has 1.5 factions so until KDF has been fully developed as a faction, meaning same number of missions as Fed at launch, then talk about a third faction is premature.
Hence why, right at the bottom of my post, I specifically stated I'd like the KDF faction to be finished first.
New Romulus is not a faction. It is some hundreds of people building a colony. Perhaps thousands. Reunificationists.
RSE was in official lore BIGGER than Klingon imperium and smaller than KDF (see the normal Wikipedia). If you think, that after the destruction of ONE star system, albeit the most important, all are dead, and there are NO OTHER systems settled by Romulans, you are joking.
Romulus (and Remus) were wiped off the map, Billions died. You mention New York and America surviving; yeah, it would. However if you managed to take out the Pentagon and White House, you'd cause a whole lot of trouble.
Romulus was the headquarters of the Empire. With that gone, the remnants of the Empire would undoubtedly fall apart. Without order, there is chaos. It isn't just New Romulus that Romulans and Remans have settled on, there are loads of planets in the Tau Dewa Sector (the Sector Daily goes into this).
Next, i'm strongly against connecting Romulans with the Cardassians. I like both factions, but they are just too different.
That's just it though, this wouldn't be the Romulans and Cardassians, this would be the Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order. They don't exactly go by the traditional Romulan or Cardassian rules.
Romulus (and Remus) were wiped off the map, Billions died. You mention New York and America surviving; yeah, it would. However if you managed to take out the Pentagon and White House, you'd cause a whole lot of trouble.
In trouble? Yes, the normal people would freak out. But if you think they don't have at least ONE BACKUP of everything you are naive.
Romulans also knew that the danger is comming, so the surely evacuated the most important staff and relics..
Romulus was the headquarters of the Empire. With that gone, the remnants of the Empire would undoubtedly fall apart. Without order, there is chaos. It isn't just New Romulus that Romulans and Remans have settled on, there are loads of planets in the Tau Dewa Sector (the Sector Daily goes into this).
That's just it though, this wouldn't be the Romulans and Cardassians, this would be the Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order. They don't exactly go by the traditional Romulan or Cardassian rules.
So how about the other GREEN sectors on the map? This game was launched to be a multi-faction game. There is plenty of lore and space to get them going.
Romulans also knew that the danger is comming, so the surely evacuated the most important staff and relics.
True, to a point. The Senate definitely knew of the danger, but unless I'm mistaken, they thought they had a lot more time than they actually did, hence why the system wasn't evacuated in time.
If they were counting on a lot more time, then plans to back up the Senate and the Empire as a whole wouldn't have been rushed so much. The mere fact that the Empire has fallen apart only goes to show that. If you think that the Empire would allow D'Tan and co to build this new colony against their wishes then you've got to be joking.
The Empire is gone. The Tal Shiar are more or less in charge now, though they don't have the combined power of the entire Romulan Fleet; they never have.
So how about the other GREEN sectors on the map? This game was launched to be a multi-faction game. There is plenty of lore and space to get them going.
You forget these other sectors and lore were put into place when they created the game. A lot has changed since then, and I doubt they were thinking of New Romulus back when they created all those Green Zones. The game has evolved, and the setting has changed.
You know, thinking of Romulans as of Pakled is just ....
When a wave is comming, even i with my bachelor in math am able to compute WHEN it is going to hit. A highly evolved species could do it too..
they created a game, the setting has changed, but the LORE stays. Romulans in whatever form are here to stay with or without STO, and it is a shame it is not already ingame.
Cryptic's loss..
To D'Tan - so you think "they" are somehow supporting Alex Jones, Wikileaks, and others of this kind? There is always something that goes through the fingers.. and now with all the fed's and kdf's "helping" them...
You know, thinking of Romulans as of Pakled is just ....
When a wave is comming, even i with my bachelor in math am able to compute WHEN it is going to hit. A highly evolved species could do it too.
Tell me, roughly when can I expect our sun to go supernova? I want an exact date.
they created a game, the setting has changed, but the LORE stays. Romulans in whatever form are here to stay with or without STO, and it is a shame it is not already ingame.
The lore has expanded. You forget, there is an entire Romulan story arc that takes place before New Romulus.
Romulans are here to stay yeah. Nobody is questioning that. What I am saying is that the Romulan Empire is no more. There is a difference.
To D'Tan - so you think "they" are somehow supporting Alex Jones, Wikileaks, and others of this kind? There is always something that goes through the fingers.. and now with all the fed's and kdf's "helping" them...
Tell me, roughly when can I expect our sun to go supernova? I want an exact date.
...yeah, didn't think so. :rolleyes:
"In 2387, a star close to Romulus went supernova, endangering the entire galaxy. Ambassador Spock created a red matter singularity which consumed the star, but not before the supernova reached Romulus, destroying the planet. (Star Trek) "
so you suppose the Vulcan academy of Science and Spock just constructed the Red Matter device and technology in a hour or 2.. or a week? In space, "close" means "distant".
It was not their sun, but a "close" sun. Like Beetleguise to our sun. (NASA)
They surely had DAYS, at least, to evacuate the planet.
The shockwave from a supernova destroyed Romulus, THEN, Spock, which was a little late, saved the rest of the galaxy by creating a black hole and sucking the explosion energy into it.
That is why the some of the living Romulans got mad (Nero) and wanted revenge.
Actually, the new film will go into this, so it could be possible for the new Enterprise crew to actually travels in time to PREVENT the explosion.. will not happen.. it would make a very boring film full of science and compassion..
But the Romulans on New Romulus aren't about Soldiers and Military, they're about rebuilding and co-existing with their neighbours. The whole reputation system thrives on this.
"In 2387, a star close to Romulus went supernova, endangering the entire galaxy. Ambassador Spock created a red matter singularity which consumed the star, but not before the supernova reached Romulus, destroying the planet. (Star Trek) "
That's a load of bull from whatever source you get it from. A Supernova that threatens to wipe out the entire GALAXY? :eek: That would easily explain why the Vulcans, and every other species around was reluctant to help with the Red Matter project. Please. If that supernova did indeed threaten the entire GALAXY even the Borg would have jumped in to help save the day. The Delta Quadrant is in the same GALAXY after all.
It was not their sun, but a "close" sun. Like Beetleguise to our sun. (NASA)
That is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that the Romulans didn't believe Spock was telling the truth about them being in danger, thus choose not to act. You're saying they'd have had everything backed up right? Why would they have had a backup of their Empire when they didn't think they were under threat? The Countdown Novels explain all this.
That's a load of bull from whatever source you get it from. A Supernova that threatens to wipe out the entire GALAXY? :eek: That would easily explain why the Vulcans, and every other species around was reluctant to help with the Red Matter project. Please. If that supernova did indeed threaten the entire GALAXY even the Borg would have jumped in to help save the day. The Delta Quadrant is in the same GALAXY after all.
do you consider yourself a fan? then educate yourself on the lore..
Several days to evacuate several billion people. That's not going to happen.
because you say it? with earth people flying in their own small vehicles (car-like) to mars colony and back?
btw to save the legacy you don't have to rescue ALL of them.
I can clearly see you don't have the intellect to discuss this notion, and would rather than laugh it off. :rolleyes:
i can clearly see you are getting personal here.. there is no need to..
.. and you probably have NO knowledge of history or sociology. USA is USA for how many years? in europe/ euroasia, the development did take a different, very interesting path, and i strongly suggest you look into it. WWI, WWII till now would be sufficient for a start..
you know, im posting here between feeding my son his evening spaghetti and writing a project about "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locally_convex_topological_vector_space" in terms of functionalanalysis, with a proof, in german, which is also not my maternal language.. so excuse me if i'm just not ready to go into details for people which need the explanation of BASICS.
I've heard of them yeah, though I am failing to see the comparison. By all means, please do feel free to elaborate.
when the official regime goes weak, it would be possible they would loose control over the small group of Unificationists, so that D'tan and a group of Remans actually have the opportunity to speak with FED/KDF and build a colony..
for the rest you don't understand - see up
we don't have to have the same opinion.. i consider this discussion as closed for today
do you consider yourself a fan? then educate yourself on the lore.
I am a fan, and I do know the lore. What I am saying is that it is scientifically impossible for a supernova to wipe out an entire Galaxy. I listed a bunch of reasons, all of which you've completely ignored. All you've done is present a link to back up your initial claim; the link is correct to what you stated, but its resource (the new Trek film) is wrong scientifically.
If you're going to try and make a claim, perhaps you should do a little scientific research before submitting an article based on fiction. Hmmm?
Several days to evacuate several billion people. That's not going to happen.
because you say it?
Yes actually, because believe it or not, STO has a lore section, and in that law section I think you'll find it states that the estimated time to evacuate would be six weeks. If you don't believe me, go and check the lore yourself. It's there in black and white.
btw to save the legacy you don't have to rescue ALL of them.
Another irrelevant post, because I have already stated that the Romulans didn't think they were in danger, so why (whether it be six weeks, or two days) would they initiate an evacuation?
.. and you probably have NO knowledge of history or sociology. USA is USA for how many years? in europe/ euroasia, the development did take a different, very interesting path, and i strongly suggest you look into it. WWI, WWII till now would be sufficient for a start..
Thought you wasn't getting personal, then claim to state I probably have no knowledge of history or sociology. Hypocrite much?
you know, im posting here between feeding my son his evening spaghetti and writing a project about "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locally_convex_topological_vector_space" in terms of functionalanalysis, with a proof, in german, which is also not my maternal language.. so excuse me if i'm just not ready to go into details for people which need the explanation of BASICS.
If it's too much trouble for you, quit posting in this thread. It's a simple enough thing to do. Close down the window. You're the one that keeps coming back.
I've heard of them yeah, though I am failing to see the comparison. By all means, please do feel free to elaborate.
when the official regime goes week, it would be possible they would loose control over the small group of Unificationists, so that D'tan and a group of Remans actually have the opportunity to speak with FED/KDF and build a colony.
Except we've already established that the old regime died when Romulus exploded (or died, whatever). The good reason why the Tal Shiar are essentially the power house now is because they're usually off world doing secretive stuff; few (if any) of them were likely on Romulus.
Ah some people think New romulus is all about peace love and happy bunnies
Wait til you see the weapon forges
The training areas
the interogation areas
I don't doubt that there are some... activities going on within New Romulus that would otherwise be hypocritical to D'Tans claims. What I am saying is that there is no longer a basis for a pure Romulan faction with the current theme Cryptic have got going for them.
If they were to add a Romulan faction to the game...
Please, for the love of God read what is put in front of you? This isn't about A Romulan Faction, it's about a Hybrid (of sorts) Faction of which the Tal Shiar (Romulans) are apart of. I can't see us ever getting a fully-fledged Romulan Faction, hence this alternative.
The game only has 1.5 factions so until KDF has been fully developed as a faction, meaning same number of missions as Fed at launch, then talk about a third faction is premature.
Please, for the love of God read what is put in front of you? This isn't about A Romulan Faction, it's about a Hybrid (of sorts) Faction of which the Tal Shiar (Romulans) are apart of. I can't see us ever getting a fully-fledged Romulan Faction, hence this alternative.
Not enough what?
Reading is essential.
Nagus brought up the idea for mini factions awhile ago.. best you'll get is..
make a rom character.. do a mission.. bla bla bla.. right what side do you want to join... fed or kdf ?
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The Dominion, its big and powerful, unique flavour and one ship already exists.
You have more races then Romulan and Remen.
You have the Jem'hadar, Vorta, Wadi, Hunters/Tosk, Dosi, and the Changelings themselves, amoung possible others.
Very different culture structure.
Alien is obvious, but liberated Borg make sense too, Romulans get assimulated too.
Edo would be a good race to go with Romulans, Ktarans, and I'd allow Romulans access to Ferengi and Leatheans. Ferengi are greedy, but unaligned and the Empire hasn't accepted the Letheans so they're free agents.
No new Faction or sub faction will ever be realized, simply because it is not cost efficient enough to do so. STO is on permanent maintenance mode with the occasional grind bone tossed in.
I applaud folks like you for wishful thinking, and trust me I really hope for another faction on any level would appear, but it is simply just that, wishful thinking.
Seriously though, stark2k nailed it. Development wise, STO is surviving by the skin of it's teeth, and that's by design. Expect the bare minimum.
Yeah, it doesn't have to be that way. Not by a long shot: Star Trek's big enough to make an actual commercially competitive and experience rich MMO, but the people pulling the strings in this case are devotees of the slash-and-burn business model. They don't want to be competitive, they don't want to be ambitious, they're not interested in growth. To them, an existing IP like Trek is a hill to be mined, not a seed to be farmed. Any new content we get is really just to keep the bubble from bursting before it's been tapped out. Enjoy it while it's around, by all means, but IMO don't expect it to last more than another two years or so, and don't expect Crypic/PWE to every try any harder than they already are.
While the OP has some good ideas about the Dominion with the variety of races and ships, they would have to open up the Gamma Quadrant.
But with the Romulans, I could easily see Cryptic taking a departure from the current Tactical / Science / Engineering paths and giving us new choices such as Tal Shiar Spy / Infiltrator, New Empire Captain, or Hirogen (other alien race) Captain. So you could pick a faction and choose who you ally with.
I expect to start on New Romulus for a beginning, either as Reman or Romulan. Dunno the starting level. When your first chapter is done, you'll have to choose either being KDF or feds, for some reason explained during the past missions, and join this faction. Maybe they'll remove the romulan story part for romulan character, because it would make no sense, and add something else. Also, they'll probably add some "special" ship if you are Romulan, or maybe ships available for the level range of the unique story content Romulan will have. For example, flying in a bird of prey for your beginning, instead of a Miranda.
I think it's the easier way to introduce the Romulan, without having the same problem the KDF have : lack of content and whine about it. I don't say it would be the best to do, or what people want, but I think this is what will happen. Also, a third faction would dilute even more the playerbase, and I don't think Cryptic want it. If they release a "romulan" only z-store ship, do you think they'll make money with it, while they admit some KDF ship didn't ? Also, making new content/ships for 3 faction is even more difficult than just 2, and yet, they struggle for KDF content...
Also, I don't say I support this, I just think it will happen that way.
+1, holding out the faintest glimmer of hope but I know deep down this isn't happening.
RSE was in official lore BIGGER than Klingon imperium and smaller than KDF (see the normal Wikipedia).
If you think, that after the destruction of ONE star system, albeit the most important, all are dead, and there are NO OTHER systems settled by Romulans, you are joking.
If someone would destroy New York, would it be the end of USA? hell NO.
Next, i'm strongly against connecting Romulans with the Cardassians. I like both factions, but they are just too different.
Romulans are the tiger waiting in the bushes for the right time to streak. Cardassians are the clowns which are stealing your meal in front of you, pretending they need the oranges to make you laugh.
What's the Klingon Imperium and why is it smaller than the KDF (Klingon Defense Force) ?
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And you ignored the fact that's what Ronald Moore indicated.
The actual official maps show this is not true, the RSE is smaller than the Klingon Empire*
The Founders control the Dominion, and last I checked, Odo was essentially their leader. As long as the Founders are left to their link, they have no quarrel with anyone. There would be little point in The Dominion War 2.0
If you'd noticed, I did mention Cardassians, Jem Hadar, Suliban and the Vaudwaar too.
...someone didn't read the original post. :rolleyes:
Granted, that's more species that they could look at, though personally, I'm not so sure about the Ferengi but that's just me.
What can I say, I'm optimistic.
*Sheliak
Before New Romulus, I'd have agreed with you. Now that we've got New Romulus, I'm not so convinced that a true Romulan Faction could ever work. Considering the two most wanted next factions are Romulans and Cardassians, it makes sense to combine them. Hell, throw in a new sector left of Iota Pavonis and have a new universal homeworld for the two.
There are still Jem Hadar in Cardassian Space. They don't need to open up the Gamma Quadrant.
You might be right, but as stated above, I remain highly optimistic. I don't want the Romulans as part of the Federation or Klingon Empire (not that the latter would ever actually happen any way).
Hence why, right at the bottom of my post, I specifically stated I'd like the KDF faction to be finished first.
Romulus (and Remus) were wiped off the map, Billions died. You mention New York and America surviving; yeah, it would. However if you managed to take out the Pentagon and White House, you'd cause a whole lot of trouble.
Romulus was the headquarters of the Empire. With that gone, the remnants of the Empire would undoubtedly fall apart. Without order, there is chaos. It isn't just New Romulus that Romulans and Remans have settled on, there are loads of planets in the Tau Dewa Sector (the Sector Daily goes into this).
That's just it though, this wouldn't be the Romulans and Cardassians, this would be the Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order. They don't exactly go by the traditional Romulan or Cardassian rules.
In trouble? Yes, the normal people would freak out. But if you think they don't have at least ONE BACKUP of everything you are naive.
Romulans also knew that the danger is comming, so the surely evacuated the most important staff and relics..
So how about the other GREEN sectors on the map? This game was launched to be a multi-faction game. There is plenty of lore and space to get them going.
True, to a point. The Senate definitely knew of the danger, but unless I'm mistaken, they thought they had a lot more time than they actually did, hence why the system wasn't evacuated in time.
If they were counting on a lot more time, then plans to back up the Senate and the Empire as a whole wouldn't have been rushed so much. The mere fact that the Empire has fallen apart only goes to show that. If you think that the Empire would allow D'Tan and co to build this new colony against their wishes then you've got to be joking.
The Empire is gone. The Tal Shiar are more or less in charge now, though they don't have the combined power of the entire Romulan Fleet; they never have.
You forget these other sectors and lore were put into place when they created the game. A lot has changed since then, and I doubt they were thinking of New Romulus back when they created all those Green Zones. The game has evolved, and the setting has changed.
You know, thinking of Romulans as of Pakled is just ....
When a wave is comming, even i with my bachelor in math am able to compute WHEN it is going to hit. A highly evolved species could do it too..
they created a game, the setting has changed, but the LORE stays. Romulans in whatever form are here to stay with or without STO, and it is a shame it is not already ingame.
Cryptic's loss..
To D'Tan - so you think "they" are somehow supporting Alex Jones, Wikileaks, and others of this kind? There is always something that goes through the fingers.. and now with all the fed's and kdf's "helping" them...
Tell me, roughly when can I expect our sun to go supernova? I want an exact date.
...yeah, didn't think so. :rolleyes:
The lore has expanded. You forget, there is an entire Romulan story arc that takes place before New Romulus.
Romulans are here to stay yeah. Nobody is questioning that. What I am saying is that the Romulan Empire is no more. There is a difference.
What?
April 17th 45,220,012 9.30 am (give or take half an hour)
With a new romulus its time for a "new Empire"
Bigger stronger , less diverse
"In 2387, a star close to Romulus went supernova, endangering the entire galaxy. Ambassador Spock created a red matter singularity which consumed the star, but not before the supernova reached Romulus, destroying the planet. (Star Trek) "
from: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Romulus
so you suppose the Vulcan academy of Science and Spock just constructed the Red Matter device and technology in a hour or 2.. or a week? In space, "close" means "distant".
It was not their sun, but a "close" sun. Like Beetleguise to our sun. (NASA)
They surely had DAYS, at least, to evacuate the planet.
The shockwave from a supernova destroyed Romulus, THEN, Spock, which was a little late, saved the rest of the galaxy by creating a black hole and sucking the explosion energy into it.
That is why the some of the living Romulans got mad (Nero) and wanted revenge.
Actually, the new film will go into this, so it could be possible for the new Enterprise crew to actually travels in time to PREVENT the explosion.. will not happen.. it would make a very boring film full of science and compassion..
the date sollvax posted sounds nice..
did i say something about not liking the official Romulans FE?
lol
Never heard of Wikileaks? Real freedom fighters? People who actually DO something else than nodding?
But the Romulans on New Romulus aren't about Soldiers and Military, they're about rebuilding and co-existing with their neighbours. The whole reputation system thrives on this.
That's a load of bull from whatever source you get it from. A Supernova that threatens to wipe out the entire GALAXY? :eek: That would easily explain why the Vulcans, and every other species around was reluctant to help with the Red Matter project. Please. If that supernova did indeed threaten the entire GALAXY even the Borg would have jumped in to help save the day. The Delta Quadrant is in the same GALAXY after all.
That is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that the Romulans didn't believe Spock was telling the truth about them being in danger, thus choose not to act. You're saying they'd have had everything backed up right? Why would they have had a backup of their Empire when they didn't think they were under threat? The Countdown Novels explain all this.
Several days to evacuate several billion people. That's not going to happen.
I can clearly see you don't have the intellect to discuss this notion, and would rather than laugh it off. :rolleyes:
I've heard of them yeah, though I am failing to see the comparison. By all means, please do feel free to elaborate.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Canon
do you consider yourself a fan? then educate yourself on the lore..
Several days to evacuate several billion people. That's not going to happen.
because you say it? with earth people flying in their own small vehicles (car-like) to mars colony and back?
btw to save the legacy you don't have to rescue ALL of them.
I can clearly see you don't have the intellect to discuss this notion, and would rather than laugh it off. :rolleyes:
i can clearly see you are getting personal here.. there is no need to..
.. and you probably have NO knowledge of history or sociology. USA is USA for how many years? in europe/ euroasia, the development did take a different, very interesting path, and i strongly suggest you look into it. WWI, WWII till now would be sufficient for a start..
you know, im posting here between feeding my son his evening spaghetti and writing a project about "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locally_convex_topological_vector_space" in terms of functionalanalysis, with a proof, in german, which is also not my maternal language.. so excuse me if i'm just not ready to go into details for people which need the explanation of BASICS.
I've heard of them yeah, though I am failing to see the comparison. By all means, please do feel free to elaborate.
when the official regime goes weak, it would be possible they would loose control over the small group of Unificationists, so that D'tan and a group of Remans actually have the opportunity to speak with FED/KDF and build a colony..
for the rest you don't understand - see up
we don't have to have the same opinion.. i consider this discussion as closed for today
the...
Terran Empire & slaves
(Mirror Fed ships)
(Mirror KDF ships)
Breen
Spoon heads
Alpha Jem'hadar
.. or... as some of you may remember...
Vote Undine!
Wait til you see the weapon forges
The training areas
the interogation areas
already cooling a champagne bottle in my fridge for that occasion
If you're going to try and make a claim, perhaps you should do a little scientific research before submitting an article based on fiction. Hmmm?
Yes actually, because believe it or not, STO has a lore section, and in that law section I think you'll find it states that the estimated time to evacuate would be six weeks. If you don't believe me, go and check the lore yourself. It's there in black and white.
Another irrelevant post, because I have already stated that the Romulans didn't think they were in danger, so why (whether it be six weeks, or two days) would they initiate an evacuation?
You avoided my response with a laughable (lol) post. If you can't be bothered to address my response, don't address it at all.
Thought you wasn't getting personal, then claim to state I probably have no knowledge of history or sociology. Hypocrite much?
If it's too much trouble for you, quit posting in this thread. It's a simple enough thing to do. Close down the window. You're the one that keeps coming back.
Except we've already established that the old regime died when Romulus exploded (or died, whatever). The good reason why the Tal Shiar are essentially the power house now is because they're usually off world doing secretive stuff; few (if any) of them were likely on Romulus.
I eagerly await your reply, whether it be today, tomorrow or next week.
I don't doubt that there are some... activities going on within New Romulus that would otherwise be hypocritical to D'Tans claims. What I am saying is that there is no longer a basis for a pure Romulan faction with the current theme Cryptic have got going for them.
Species wise.. I think it'll go...
Romulan
Reman
Hirogen
Flaxien (perfume assassin who tryed to kill garek)
Cat/Dog like race (because .. meh... most likely would happen)
Alien
A romulan (pure ) faction would revitalise the Game
if it were made a subscriber only it would rebuild the player base
Romulan only faction with limited ships no customisation and a nice UNIFORM military
ah standard issue ships with standard issue weapons crewed by standard issue crews
= food for the non standard issued fed/kdf ships.
ATM KDF has a quarter of the content, less than half the amount of ships available.
We consider it 50% complete......
What would any other faction be... 25% complete?
I'd love to see a 3rd faction in the future, but I'd also like to see the devs finish the factions we have.
Not enough what?
Reading is essential.
Nagus brought up the idea for mini factions awhile ago.. best you'll get is..
make a rom character.. do a mission.. bla bla bla.. right what side do you want to join... fed or kdf ?