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avarseir
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I have the funniest encounter with a fleet robber today.
Chronology as follows:
1. He approached one of our fleeties and chatted him up enthusiastically about joining the fleet.
2. I did a simple interview with him and seems pretty OK, and sounds like a nice bloke.
3. I invited him to fleet, with >>> WELCOME <<< tag and all in fleet chat.
4. 2 mins later: XXXXXX has left the fleet, removed me from friends list and ignored me.
5. We were all like.. wtf?! hahaha
I'm guessing that particular person is a fleet robber/after freebies in your bank. He found out to his behest that as a recruit he can only access fleet chat and donate to fleet projects.
We all had a good laugh. But as a warning to all other fleets out there, careful who you invite and setup your fleet security to protect your fleet and your loyal members from freeloaders and robbers.
Cheers
Chronology as follows:
1. He approached one of our fleeties and chatted him up enthusiastically about joining the fleet.
2. I did a simple interview with him and seems pretty OK, and sounds like a nice bloke.
3. I invited him to fleet, with >>> WELCOME <<< tag and all in fleet chat.
4. 2 mins later: XXXXXX has left the fleet, removed me from friends list and ignored me.
5. We were all like.. wtf?! hahaha
I'm guessing that particular person is a fleet robber/after freebies in your bank. He found out to his behest that as a recruit he can only access fleet chat and donate to fleet projects.
We all had a good laugh. But as a warning to all other fleets out there, careful who you invite and setup your fleet security to protect your fleet and your loyal members from freeloaders and robbers.
Cheers
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I think Cryptic should address the problem. Obviously, they already have mechanisms to protect fleet banks, but especially trusting or new, poorly set up fleets are at risk.
My suggestion would be that any leader with sufficient privileges can report anyone who has been in their fleet in the last thirty days as a thief. Nothing would be done about these reports but put a silent counter on the players account.
If a player got enough of these counters in a certain period of time , whenever he was invited to a fleet it would pop up a warning dialog, WARNING: This account has been reported as a thief X times. Are you certain you want to invite this individual into your fleet?.
Once you are listed as a thief, the listing would not expire for a year. It would not stop theft, but it would cut down on it and make thieves go through the hassle of creating a new account. It should also warn them when a new account (less than 20 hours) is being invited and that same IP has been flagged as a fleet thief.
It would be a pretty much grief free system (since you would have to be reported by a number of different fleets you were a member of in a short period of time) and could save a lot of frustration and help put an end to these career thieves who go around ESD bragging about their exploits.
They make a wondrous mess of things. Brave amateurs, they do their part.
That would not stop a certain fleet. They'd just make a new dummy account, buy some game time for it, make it seem legit. Seen it before.
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if then a fleet leader slackens it and allows to much access to low level members its the fleet leader creating the security risk and on their head be it.
It seems that very few can see through your clever ploy to make yourself seem legitimate. I will warn people that you are a suspected fleet robber and are probably robbing your own fleet. I agree that you should be tagged with a thief tag.
I know I can't use names but one's a RA and the other a Lt. Seems they look for recruiters at ESD.
Thanks to our settings they were able to just grab a few crafting materials from our bank, so no real loss.
Would you stop with this reason and logic thing on a board like this? How dare you? :eek:
While amusing if you join a fleet they're likely to put as much effort into their fleet as the fleet settings. You don't have to be a genius to set up correct permissions. Also if you look at the fleets that recruit they give away promotions like candy so what would be more likely to work is if cryptic disable the fleet bank completely. There's no cure for fleet mismanagement.
The uniform worn was non canon so we did not accept the application
we don't take people in "stripper " outfits
I was then sent a Tell saying "this person is a guy from ohio he wants to raid your bank for contraband"
for which incidentally a thank you to Stell (no @names for obvious reasons)
actually a much bigger one than I am in
We wouldn't take him anyway (non canon uniform and ship)
It's not stealing if you give them the key and permission to take what they want.
sollvax I thought you were going to tell us a story about a confirmed fleet thief rather than hearsay. How do you know that person didn't have an axe to grind and that they wanted to sabotage that players chances of getting in another fleet?
Even if he does fly a non canon ship and have a very Odd uniform
Just because I let you in my house DOES NOT give you the right to take whatever catches your eyes.
But as another poster said.. All Fleet banks should have come preset with permissions set to Fleet leader only.. That alone would have prevented over 99% of fleet bank robberies.
Well as a fleet leader, I can promise you that I remain with the opinion, that if a fleet has a bank that is open, it means that whoever comes in and has access, is allowed to take what he thinks he needs.
If that wasn't the intention, then the silly guy who set up the bank wrong in the first place, is the one to blame.
I have not in the nearly 3 years I've run my fleet had a item taken that wasn't allowed or intended to be taken by anyone... Because I wasn't silly enough to not set up banking permissions properly.
Bad analogy as Fleet leaders set the bank access rights.
If you set your Bank up properly, new recruits can't steal. The various levels only have the permissions as set by the Fleet Leader. It's been a while, BUT, if the default for the various ther rights isn't to disallow bank transactions (and other stuff) except for the FL position; and that the FL has to go around and reset these rights to allow whatever access structure he/she sees fit; then THAT'S the issue - and Cryptic should correct that.
If it is set up that an FL has to grant/change the various rights of the other available access tiers; then it's not Cryptic's fault if a FL decides to give every tier a level a bank withdrawal access.
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Well unfortunately the only reference my morals have are in reality and in reality Unless I give you permission to take something of mine its considered stealing. I don't know when the rules changed crossing over into a digital space but I didn't get the memo.
You wouldn't walk up to a food vendor in the street and start snatching what ever is out in the open just because you can get your grubby little hands on it, would you?
The real reason people don't pull this TRIBBLE in real life is because its still considered stealing and there are consequences for it. If I go throughout my neighborhood and check all the house and find one unlocked and decide to take everything inside. It won't matter HOW many times i tell the judge the door was unlocked I'M STILL GOING TO JAIL..
So While I will agree with those that say that Fleet leaders need to have there banks secured.. I WILL NOT agree with defending these jerks that think it's okay and isn't stealing to help themselves to an open bank. They are as much the problem if not more of the problem then leaving the banks open.
oh and just so we are clear.
Thief
/THēf/
Noun
A person who steals another person's property, esp. by stealth and without using force or violence.
I'm all for a debate, So if you don't think these fleet bank robbers fall into that category I'd love to know why.
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These are are people who join a fleet play enough to get some bank access.
Then logon each day take a few items and log off.
I've kicked 6- 8 of these people out our fleet in the last 4 months.
Look through your loggs each day for the people who take stuff each day.
You just said it yourself, "unless I give you permission to take something." The settings for who can access and take and deposit things in a fleet bank are called permissions. You are permitted to take whatever the fleet has decreed your rank is allowed to.
Thus fleets that have suffered robberies gave these people permission to do so in their bank settings, if they don't want this sort of thing to happen, take those permissions away. Easy.
Quite simple: Your analogy goes on the expectation that everyone has to ask before they take something. That's a s... illy assumption, and would put unnecessary demand for people at high ranks, and would quickly result in people getting fed up with constantly having to say yes or no.
That is not how the fleet banks work.
As a general the word "Fleet" indicates the entirely of the fleet, and not one single person, and as such, anyone should be expected to see the bank inventory as property of the entire fleet, and not the fleet leader or some officer.
I would, with no evil thoughts behind it, always consider that anything I can take from the fleet bank, is something I am allowed to take in the first place, since I know that it is super-duper-ultra easy to set limitations on withdraws from the bank.
My own bank is set up in the same way... Everyone can take 1 item pr tab pr day, until they no longer feel no need to, or the bank is empty... Everyone except for new recruits.
If anyone has failed, if someone takes items they were not intended to by the leader, it's the guy/gal who failed to set limitations in the first place, because he did not have the guts to take a firm stand on what he wanted to CLEARLY allow people to take and what not.
Granted, in most cases, the behavior of these people might seem immoral, but in the "take the keys to my house, and my stuff is your stuff" argument above is not quite valid...
Because In fact, legally, you are not to take anything that is not yours unless given directly to you. (with the respect that laws might be different in diffrent parts of the world)
But since you are IN the fleet, and the fleet bank belongs to the fleet... all the fleet... and that means new recruits as well, and since the bank is SET UP to allow withdraws at that rank, he was actually given full permission and rights to take, what he or she was entitled to under given fleet rules set forth by a system that works.
so let me ask this...how is this different from when fleets recruit people, **** them of all their resources, then boot them from the fleet? I'm not saying either is right, I'm just saying the door swings both ways. What I think is messed up is the number of people on here who say sto has a great community...well whoever said that has obviously never joined a fleet or played an stf. It's too bad that the rampant toddler mentality of 90% of the players is stopping the other 10% of us from enjoying everything this great game has to offer.
The stuff in fleet banks is presumably contributed to members for their benefit. However, there is usually a stated or tacit social obligation to only take what you need for your own personal use and to contribute what you can in return. If someone is simply joining a fleet to take everything they can from the bank to sell on the exchange, they are violating the social contract.
The same is true of someone who joins STFs or PvP for the reward and makes no contribution.
Unfortunately, Cryptic does not have the resources to try to settle these types of disputes so they are not against the rules. That does not mean that they are not wrong.
This thread should really be renamed: We abused a new recruit so he left the fleet. The OPs motives for posting this thread in the first place are questionable at best. For future discussion we should have a thread about fleet leaders incompetence at managing their fleet and poor social skills leading to their members leaving.
Fleet leaders need to learn to take responsibility for their actions.
Your point is valid. People keep asking Cryptic to provide mechanics to determine if this social contract is broken or not. They do not seem to understand that the game mechanics for "theft" and "legitimate use" look exactly the same to the server.
Sarcasm or not... this was a nice quote.