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  • hanoverhanover Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Sort of in "delayed gratification" mode right now, to be honest.

    You know, "Once I just finish grinding for <shinyXYZ>, then it'll be fun."

    :(
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  • marielangmarielang Member Posts: 93 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    my in game time is way down. officer reports is to convaluted now i dont bother everyone says dill easyer is full of TRIBBLE. they seriously broke this game. done some fixing but need to do lots more.
  • guriphuguriphu Member Posts: 494 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I'm having lots of fun playing other games and occasionally logging in to restart Omega projects. Does that count?
  • mordaenmordaen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I'm still really enjoying this game. It gives me a lot of latitude in developing my character, BOFFs, etc. I also like the fleet advancement stuff.

    Easily a 8 or 9 out of 10.

    I wish PvP was better, and more meaningful in an RvR type of way, but other than that, I really enjoy the game.
  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    The one thing all the data mining in the world can't quantify....and that is fun.My question to all of you is....are you still having fun playing STO? On a scale of 1 to 10,with 10 being the most fun and 1 being purgatory.....

    Tell us what results you want first so we don't have to be honest and tell you we're still enjoying it without the exploits.
    <3
  • xantrisxantris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    marielang wrote: »
    my in game time is way down. officer reports is to convaluted now i dont bother everyone says dill easyer is full of TRIBBLE. they seriously broke this game. done some fixing but need to do lots more.

    Well yeah, if you exploited that clicky dilithium slot machine nonsense then dilithium is harder to come by
  • hippiejonhippiejon Member Posts: 1,581 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Dilithium is waaay easier to come by this season.
    Doesn't take that long to figure out how either.

    Great new foundry features.
    The eradication of the Clicky Console Exploit.
    Incentives to play all sorts of missions that the game has to offer.
    This is a decent season.
    I am still having a bunch of fun.
    Especially now that the Foundry Editor is back.

    7/10 Before the editor came back online.
    9/10 After the editor came back online.
  • atomictikiatomictiki Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    xantris wrote: »
    Well yeah, if you exploited that clicky dilithium slot machine nonsense then dilithium is harder to come by

    You keep teling yourself it was an exploit. But it never met the definition of an exploit. Exploits are dealt with by the developers as fast as possible (within 24 hours). The Officer Reports mission was in existence for almost a year. It was not an exploit, it was keeping the dilithium market healthy and made the starbase grind workable for small fleets.

    But at least you're happy now with dilithium in freefall and small fleets disbanding!
    Leave nerfing to the professionals.
  • xantrisxantris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    atomictiki wrote: »
    You keep teling yourself it was an exploit. But it never met the definition of an exploit. Exploits are dealt with by the developers as fast as possible (within 24 hours). The Officer Reports mission was in existence for almost a year. It was not an exploit, it was keeping the dilithium market healthy and made the starbase grind workable for small fleets.

    But at least you're happy now with dilithium in freefall and small fleets disbanding!

    Whatever you gotta tell yourself buddy, I won't judge you and your army of alts clicking the glowy boxes.

    It's gone. It's not coming back. Get over it.
  • carcharodon1975carcharodon1975 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Oh yeah,the Foundry 'clickies' were an exploit,but what Cryptic is doing now with the Foundry daily is far worse.Do you have any idea how hard it is to find a Foundry mission that checks all the boxes and doesn't suck?And when you finally found one,start to get good at and it isn't such a pain to get your dailies done......they pull the freakin' mission!

    I'm sorry for all the passionate Foundry authors out there....but the Foundry should burn in hell.
    The PWE/Cryptic sweatshop...not where the game is made,but where the game is played!

    Take back your home,end the grind!


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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Make one thats better.
    For example I am thinking of finally making a Foundry mission that just fits the 15 minute time limit (and other criteria) by having the KDF player go through the;
    Age of Ascension Ceremony

    This ritual, also known as the Klingon Rite of Passage, marks the attainment of a new level of spirituality for a Klingon warrior. First the ascendee proclaims "DaHjaj SuvwI'e' jiH. tIgwIj Sa'angNIS. Iw bIQtIq jIjaH." - Today I am a Warrior. I must show you my heart. I travel the river of blood. Then the ascendee walks between two rows of warriors who subject him or her to painsticks. The ascendee is expected to express his or her most profound feelings while under this extreme duress. The ceremony can be repeated as the warrior grows in maturity. Worf repeated the ceremony as a celebration of the ten year anniversary of his Age of Ascension.



    Actually I am still having fun in Ker'rat and I do enjoy the visuals of the New Exapansion, but I still frown at the un-KDF-esque dialouge branches and overall rushed feel of the KDF running to help a once sworn enemy that if one associated with would make ones house come under suspsicion and ill-will.
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  • hippiejonhippiejon Member Posts: 1,581 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I'm sorry for all the passionate Foundry authors out there....but the Foundry should burn in hell.

    No, see, you're not sorry. You're not sorry at all.
    People say TRIBBLE like "I'm sorry but ..." or "I don't mean to be offensive but..." when they're about to say or do something that's really rotten. You only said, "Sorry" before your insult because you want us all to believe you are somehow a nicer guy than the garbage you just said paints you to be.

    So. I just want to get this right. They (being cryptic) took away the ability to use the exploit clicky missions, and so your response is to say that an entire group of the player base, being the Foundry authors, should have the thing they love most about the game stripped away.

    Because you can't get your 1440 Dilithium Clickie for your army of alts ?
    Gosh, thanks. You're right. Saying you're sorry first really makes that sound so much better.

    Guess how much time it takes me to daily hit my Dilith Cap these days, genius ?
    About 30 minutes. And during that 30 minutes I am also gaining ec and Omega marks.
    But OH NO, I can't do a one stop shop clicky mission for 1440.

    Seriously, Dude ?
    There are a million roads of ragey angry reply I could go down here, but I think I'll just leave your own idiocy to speak for itself. I just wanted to make sure that it was clear that what you are saying is that because you can't do your clicky exploit, you want an entire part of the player corps to suffer.

    Damn.
    You're a great guy.
  • hanoverhanover Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    hippiejohn wrote:
    Guess how much time it takes me to daily hit my Dilith Cap these days, genius ?
    About 30 minutes.

    I'm calling BS on that one. Unless you're including rewards you collect for duty officer assignments started hours prior.
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  • dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,655 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    If you don't have anything to say on topic,please refrain from posting in this thread.

    You can post your PWE propaganda in one of the other threads on the forums.

    Oh shut up. He's absolutely right. People complained about S5 being terrible (I remember teasing a few of them for saying "FTPers" instead of "F2Pers") when it released, then they complained about S6 and the starbase system, now they're complaining about S7 and the rep system. Out of about 15 people who gave their opinions on the matter, only one was willing to compare all the seasons he's played simultaneously. There will be demands to bring us back to S7 once S8 hits, I can almost promise it.

    Hanover2, including those is perfectly fair. It doesn't take that long to start them up, and they usually give good dilithium the next day. :P

    Back to the question in the OP: I do. When I find the time.

    You see, I'm a bit preoccupied with school, my new run of KOTOR2 (it'd be TOR if I managed to get the courage to ask for permission to download it), and a pretty decent Stargate server in Garry's Mod. I've had what, a couple of hours of game time in the past couple of weeks?

    Winter event's likely to bring me back though. Gotta earn the cool toys before they go away! :D

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  • hippiejonhippiejon Member Posts: 1,581 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    hanover2 wrote: »
    I'm calling BS on that one. Unless you're including rewards you collect for duty officer assignments started hours prior.

    Run a couple elite STFs , 960 each run minimum , I've gotten 1110 completeing the optional.
    Average of 6 BNPs per run, I've seen 12
    90 to 120 Omega Marks.

    960 * 2 = 1920

    Elite REP project (Turn in 5 BNPs) for 1000 Dilith (TWICE) = 2000
    Ongoing War Efforts rep Project (50 marks for 500 dilith) (Four Times) = 2000

    5920/8000 just off of 2 Elite STFs.
    Get on a Good team, those take 15 minutes.
    If you have a few Marks sitting around. Who doesn't at this point , turn a few more in 50 to 500 every time.

    Same with BNPs.

    So, based on the fact that I have a small stock of Omega Marks and BNPs that just keeps growing.

    i am at 8000 dilith after 2 STF runs about every day since I figured it out.
    On an average day , that's 30 minutes.
    On a bad day, thats 45.


    There now you know the secret.
    Go prosper.
  • svecksveck Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I can't really say I have tons of fun anymore. I basically like to roleplay, but the greed of the developers has left me with little time for that. In order for a small fleet to have anything, I have to basically grind almost all the time. The prices for starbase upgrades are ridiculous, and don't facilitate small fleets.
  • hanoverhanover Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    hippiejon wrote: »
    Run a couple elite STFs , 960 each run minimum , I've gotten 1110 completeing the optional.
    Average of 6 BNPs per run, I've seen 12
    90 to 120 Omega Marks.

    960 * 2 = 1920

    OK, right away, you are a) not doing it by yourself, and b) assuming you get a good team and burn through the STF quickly. Bad runs of those can last well over 20 minutes.
    Elite REP project (Turn in 5 BNPs) for 1000 Dilith (TWICE) = 2000
    Ongoing War Efforts rep Project (50 marks for 500 dilith) (Four Times) = 2000

    Not counting the time it took to collect those resources, unless you're claiming you got them all in one of your magic 5-minute STF runs. :rolleyes:
    There now you know the secret.
    Go prosper.

    The secret is you dishonestly assuming ideal circumstances for each of us, on every attempt.
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  • bortjinxbortjinx Member Posts: 397
    edited December 2012
    hippiejon wrote: »
    Run a couple elite STFs , 960 each run minimum , I've gotten 1110 completeing the optional.
    Average of 6 BNPs per run, I've seen 12
    90 to 120 Omega Marks.

    960 * 2 = 1920

    Elite REP project (Turn in 5 BNPs) for 1000 Dilith (TWICE) = 2000
    Ongoing War Efforts rep Project (50 marks for 500 dilith) (Four Times) = 2000

    5920/8000 just off of 2 Elite STFs.
    Get on a Good team, those take 15 minutes.
    If you have a few Marks sitting around. Who doesn't at this point , turn a few more in 50 to 500 every time.

    Same with BNPs.

    So, based on the fact that I have a small stock of Omega Marks and BNPs that just keeps growing.

    i am at 8000 dilith after 2 STF runs about every day since I figured it out.
    On an average day , that's 30 minutes.
    On a bad day, thats 45.


    There now you know the secret.
    Go prosper.

    I don't think I've ever seen anyone get more than 960 Dil in an Elite since S7 went live, although I have heard of it. How does it happen?

    The multiple BNPs I had several of last week, but have only received 1 per run this week (I figured it was a bug and so taken out).

    Two elite STFs will usually net me 150 marks, or an extra 1.5k Dilthium.

    Other than a couple of training sessions designed to introduce some fleet members to elite difficulty STFs, I've not had a failed optional in months, and other than the Omega marks, I don't think there is any kind of extra reward for that.
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  • rachelj88rachelj88 Member Posts: 465 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I can't exactly say that I'm enjoying my post season 7 experience, I spend most of my in game time;
    chatting to friends,
    walking around ground social maps like an NPC,
    shoo'ing annoyances and killing them in 1v1 PvP if my warnings go un-noticed,
    doing the most minimal in content to get a little bit of marks to keep the crappy reputation ticking over while I yawn myself to death. :/

    I enjoy being social and helping, grinding was never my forte.
    although, using my imagination to enjoy my surroundings and watch other players be baffled at my antics... it pays off :)


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  • vesterengvestereng Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    The only semi valid point about the legion of alt's doing click missions, is the impact it might have on the in-game economy...

    Developers openly said they want people to get more zen for their dil, so while you might no be the happiest person around, the game is not suffering.

    Sure, I will admit my fleet's starbase is progressing very slowly - people are hogging their dilithium and myself I am not really earning either, just gating characters playing on low volume.

    I just don't see any justification for handing out free dilithium in any of that. If the game takes a huge hit they will hopefully come up with some changes that are fair to everyone.
  • hippiejonhippiejon Member Posts: 1,581 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    hanover2 wrote: »
    OK, right away, you are a) not doing it by yourself, and b) assuming you get a good team and burn through the STF quickly. Bad runs of those can last well over 20 minutes.

    Not counting the time it took to collect those resources, unless you're claiming you got them all in one of your magic 5-minute STF runs. :rolleyes:

    The secret is you dishonestly assuming ideal circumstances for each of us, on every attempt.


    Hmm, I did say in my actual post , an STF , with a good team. Noted an average time of about 15 minutes, but somehow in your hyperbolic reply , just because you have to reply, that has become a "magic 5 minute" eyeroll worthy STF run.

    I guess I dishonestly assume (WTF ?) too much.
    I am obviously lying about how quickly dilithium can be made.
    My attempts to try to share how I am doing it , must make me somehow the worse person here.

    Yes, the person telling you how to make your dilithium quickly in a day, so the rest of your play time can be filled how you like, having FUN. Of course, I'm the bad person.
    Not the Guy calling to Nuke an entire part of the game because his clicky got taken away, he's not the bad guy.

    Yep.
    Done with this conversation.
    You are obviously so attached to being right, you will not see reason.


    Anyone who listens to reason and doesn't find a 15 ish minute Elite STF too much work, I was not exaggerating, or lying. You can make your Dilithium despite what the Foundry assasin and his lackey, Mister deflection over here would have you believe.

    Season 7. Where it is much MUCH quicker to make your 8000 Dilithium Cap in a day, and have more time to play fun stuff you want.
  • hippiejonhippiejon Member Posts: 1,581 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    bortjinx wrote: »
    I don't think I've ever seen anyone get more than 960 Dil in an Elite since S7 went live, although I have heard of it. How does it happen?

    It's pretty random. It's when you are getting extra Dilithium in your reward bag instead of a blue item or 2. Just this morning before the downtime my bag had 1090 in it froma Khittomer ground run.
    bortjinx wrote: »
    The multiple BNPs I had several of last week, but have only received 1 per run this week (I figured it was a bug and so taken out).

    Nope, still happening. 11 in a different run this morning. Again, appears to be somewhat random, but might be connected to what's in your bag. Not sure.
    bortjinx wrote: »
    Two elite STFs will usually net me 150 marks, or an extra 1.5k Dilthium.

    I have never seen an Elite give less than 90 Marks.
    bortjinx wrote: »
    Other than a couple of training sessions designed to introduce some fleet members to elite difficulty STFs, I've not had a failed optional in months, and other than the Omega marks, I don't think there is any kind of extra reward for that.

    There should be. Every time I am lucky enough to be in a group that hits an optional, I am always smiling at the amount of Marks. Your overall reward is better with an Optional completion I am sure of that.
  • bortjinxbortjinx Member Posts: 397
    edited December 2012
    hippiejon wrote: »
    Hmm, I did say in my actual post , an STF , with a good team. Noted an average time of about 15 minutes, but somehow in your hyperbolic reply , just because you have to reply, that has become a "magic 5 minute" eyeroll worthy STF run.

    I guess I dishonestly assume (WTF ?) too much.
    I am obviously lying about how quickly dilithium can be made.
    My attempts to try to share how I am doing it , must make me somehow the worse person here.

    Yes, the person telling you how to make your dilithium quickly in a day, so the rest of your play time can be filled how you like, having FUN. Of course, I'm the bad person.
    Not the Guy calling to Nuke an entire part of the game because his clicky got taken away, he's not the bad guy.

    Yep.
    Done with this conversation.
    You are obviously so attached to being right, you will not see reason.


    Anyone who listens to reason and doesn't find a 15 ish minute Elite STF too much work, I was not exaggerating, or lying. You can make your Dilithium despite what the Foundry assasin and his lackey, Mister deflection over here would have you believe.

    Season 7. Where it is much MUCH quicker to make your 8000 Dilithium Cap in a day, and have more time to play fun stuff you want.

    I notice you argue the point with Hanover to defend your position, but do not reply to me when all I ask is how does this work. Edit: Never mind... I spoke too soon :)

    Two elite STFs in 30 minutes is more than possible if you know what you are doing and have a decent team. The majority of casual players, I would imagine, do not have access to the teams produced in the elite STF chat channels, and PUG'ing it is going to take longer, and you risk a far, far greater chance that the team will not work together, or someone will TRIBBLE up the tactics, or even not know the tactics.

    What I wanted to know was... How do you earn more than the base 960 Dilthium per STF (not including rep hand ins), and how do you make more than one BNP per run? As I said, I saw this last week, often getting 6 or 11 BNPs per run (REALLY helpful for grinding Dilithium), but this week, it doesn't matter how well we perform on an STF, I have only seen 1 BNP from the reward. For that matter, outside of the reputation events, how do you earn more than 75 Omega marks from an elite STF?

    If you answer these, I'll believe it is possible to gain your 8k Dilthium in half an hour or less.
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  • carcharodon1975carcharodon1975 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    You know what the problem with you is hippiejon? You think that every mission you Foundry authors make is pure gold.I'm not saying that there aren't good missions out there,but you have to admit that most of the missions are too long,tedious,badly written utter garbage.

    You want to be acknowledged as a Foundry author? Stop making POS missions!
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  • tinead51tinead51 Member Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    By fun,do you mean,wallet close by? ;)
  • curs0rcurs0r Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    tinead51 wrote: »
    By fun,do you mean,wallet close by? ;)

    So then the title would read: Are you still having wallet close by?
    It sounds like a bad game translation "All your wallet are belong to us" :)
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  • bortjinxbortjinx Member Posts: 397
    edited December 2012
    hippiejon wrote: »
    It's pretty random. It's when you are getting extra Dilithium in your reward bag instead of a blue item or 2. Just this morning before the downtime my bag had 1090 in it froma Khittomer ground run.

    Well, if it's pretty random, you can't exactly be relying on it to grind your 8k Dilithium per day, can you?
    hippiejon wrote: »
    Nope, still happening. 11 in a different run this morning. Again, appears to be somewhat random, but might be connected to what's in your bag. Not sure.

    Again, if it's random you can't exactly rely on it to count towards your 8k in 30 mins.
    hippiejon wrote: »
    I have never seen an Elite give less than 90 Marks.

    Outside of the Reputation event, I have never seen an STF give over 75 marks - 60 on completion, plus a bonus 15 for the optional. The only time I have seen 90 is during the Reputation events.
    hippiejon wrote: »
    There should be. Every time I am lucky enough to be in a group that hits an optional, I am always smiling at the amount of Marks. Your overall reward is better with an Optional completion I am sure of that.

    Agreed. The reward does seem to be better, but because of that random factor I don't see why you can say you rely on these factors when making your '8k Dil in 30 mins' claim. Sure, sometimes, when all the odds go in your favour ("May the odds be ever in your favour" lol), I can see it happening, but not every day.
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  • bortjinxbortjinx Member Posts: 397
    edited December 2012
    curs0r wrote: »
    So then the title would read: Are you still having wallet close by?
    It sounds like a bad game translation "All your wallet are belong to us" :)

    Convoluted logic that proves the OP works for PWE? After all, they would all love to claim 'All your wallet are belong to us' :)
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  • carcharodon1975carcharodon1975 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    dalolorn wrote: »
    Oh shut up. He's absolutely right. People complained about S5 being terrible (I remember teasing a few of them for saying "FTPers" instead of "F2Pers") when it released, then they complained about S6 and the starbase system, now they're complaining about S7 and the rep system. Out of about 15 people who gave their opinions on the matter, only one was willing to compare all the seasons he's played simultaneously. There will be demands to bring us back to S7 once S8 hits, I can almost promise it.

    Hanover2, including those is perfectly fair. It doesn't take that long to start them up, and they usually give good dilithium the next day. :P

    Back to the question in the OP: I do. When I find the time.

    You see, I'm a bit preoccupied with school, my new run of KOTOR2 (it'd be TOR if I managed to get the courage to ask for permission to download it), and a pretty decent Stargate server in Garry's Mod. I've had what, a couple of hours of game time in the past couple of weeks?

    Winter event's likely to bring me back though. Gotta earn the cool toys before they go away! :D

    The thing with every Season since F2P is that with every piece added,they are taking things away,and giving it back to us at a price....so yeah,people complain...because it gets worse with every Season.

    The reason for my response to neoakiraii post......the guy is a troll,he does this in every thread.
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  • tinead51tinead51 Member Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    curs0r wrote: »
    So then the title would read: Are you still having wallet close by?
    It sounds like a bad game translation "All your wallet are belong to us" :)

    I saw what you did there,very nice :D
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