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Space Combat NEEDS a more Star Trek feel...
timjerrom
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Please don't all hate me internet Trolls, but the space combat in this game could do with a littl more having a Star Trek feel to it. Having less ships but harder to destroy, mostly 1 on 1 + with a litl more ship coms to it? Also crazy idea have no idea how you could do this but wouldnt it be cool if you could zoom right into inside your bridge! Star Trek Academy had this and would make a great update don't you think fellow players....
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Command the ship from inside of the bridge will be great
i love to see in game some thing like the suricatas revamp idea that will be realy great and extend the game fronteirs and the fun factor will have no limits .... maybe some day a member of dev team give it a chance .... honestly dont see why not already done this, this revamp idea will made the player happy and made sales for (C) (PWE)
Also carriers, the federation sending tidgey little ships into war.. cannon fodder (hehe.. pun)
doesnt sit right
Yes DS9's defiant broke the mould.. AND it used plenty of fighters in some of the bigger fights, but 'blek' is my response
DS9 was the least trek-y feeling series in my opinion too oddly enough
And dear god, from what i have seen i do not care about the bajorans and their DEUS EX MACHINA gods >.<
*shudder*
As for zooming to the bridge this has been discussed ad-nauseum and for the most part seems outside of the game engines abilities. It's never a good idea to compare this game with a different Star Trek product and think that features of one could work with another.
As for 360 degree motion, while I agree, it's space, so there is no limitation on degrees of freedom, but it should be remembered that you rarely see in the movies or tv series scenes where a ship is flying inverted or at right angles. All of the motion scenes always give a sense of up and down, banking instead of rolling, ascending instead of flying straight up, more like the limited maneuverability of large aircraft or submersibles as opposed to the aerobatics of a fighter jet, rolling into a dive on a target is something you normally don't see the big ships doing.
A four second exchange of phasers and then cutting to our BOFFs bouncing around the bridge followed by ten minutes of speechifying?
That'd be a thrilling game.
About the only thing I'd suggest to improve it more is to buff engineering and science powers. Tactical and DPS is a little too emphasised. To give it more of the Star Trek flavour you need to be able to do engineering miracles or do some science magic through the main deflector. We already kinda can do that, but I just think the impact could be tweaked a bit more.
You click on join elite STF
A admiral calls you on the comm
Caption your ordered to the Klingon border
Cordinates 341 mark 12 proceed with all haste.
The Borg are here, the fleet is sending all available
Ships . Meet up with the fleet at the tykon nebula
Make Starfleet proud
Hanson out
Now along the way several missions can happen
Rescues, SOS calls, morality missions ect
When you arrive 4 other players arrive too and you 5
Proceed into the STF
Boarding actions by the Borg anyone
By Borg and are taken from space battle to fight them.
Until resolved the Borg do not fire on your ship
Instead of blowing up maybe your ship is disabled requiring
A engineer cruiser to get you back going , any ship could do it they would
Be better.
Remove one shot kills
Double hulls
Reduce all repair abilities by 90%
Just a thought.
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Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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I already did a post on this and someone said , be in defaint and you have you will throw up. So why cant we have a "B" mode for space?
And reagrding you say space needs more trek feel I AGREE
sorry
I hope STO get's better ...
PWE you read it now do it.... set explosive consoles that will kill our boffs in first minutes of combat , crapy shields that cant stand long battles , put settings of borg NPC to impossible or very very very hard so they can be only destroyed from fleet of 50 ships or more , set the rules of federation on 100% so we cant engage somebody without diplomacy/self defense and give us warp breach few times in combat.
Im evil and i love it
96% of fights end with the baddie backing down. Why?
No budget for special effects.
But really, the game's space and ground combat is just too fast. Ground combat was very cover and accuracy based in series, they never mowed through dozens and dozens of enemies. Space combat was slow, many scenes were abbreviated for special effects reasons, but even the defiant lasted 2 minutes with their shields down against 2 klingon ships. Of course Voyager's shields seemed to last 2 hits half the time too.. so its hard to tell.
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My Christmas wish; to be able to retain the battle damage skin(just the appearance)when I am in the Wrath of Khan mood.
From a purely combat mechanic standpoint, I would like to see more random warp-in encounters. Knowing I have to kill 6 groups in Deferi Outpost 3 takes all the surprise away. Not knowing if help will be summoned would be nice.
Don't feel massive enough? Do a 10v10 PvP and see the problem with that.
If it's enemies you want, do the No-win scenario or a Foundry mission with lots of NPC enemies to shoot at.
Also, on the 360 degree maneuverability: Even if the starships in Star Trek didn't appear to obey some principle of gravity, we still wouldn't have that sort of maneuvering in this game. . .and for two good reasons. One, the game engine isn't designed for that. Two, human beings aren't designed for that. Do people have any idea how disorienting 360 degree combat mechanics would be through a 2D screen of limited capabilities? :P
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is exactly what im on about, to be able to fully zoom into your bridge and control space battles from there, Star Trek Bridge Commander did it fine why can't Star Trek Online?
TimJ.
Not that bad, actually. Ever played Decent? I would love six degrees of freedom space combat, in this game.
I always get the impression there are many stories in the ST Universe (role playing in the game allows for this). TOS was one story about one Exploration Ship on a five year mission. But that doesn't mean it had to be a rigid template for the story of every ship and crew in every sector of space. TOS was flavored with conflict with Roms and Klingons and awkward first contacts.
Star Trek's story was never about machines, hardware etc like the clueless Studio Corporate Execs thought it should have been. It was character driven, tackling issues that normally would not get aired on TV, but Sci Fiction allowed social commentary to be explored, to question our prejudices, our hates. To debate where is the balance of individualism vs collectivism. "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations"
The crew showed us the Stodgy rules of Star Fleet could be bent as we considered the context of every new encounter in a grand, diverse universe. As the crew grew and developed, we did likewise as our perspectives broadened.
The options in the game for role playing are still developing, as they do for any game. The best thing people can do is express what story they want to explore with their toons and Bridge Crew and communicate that to the developers. Some times a development will be a hit like TOS or ST:TWoK, or it could be a dud like ST V:The Final Frontier.
Exuberant joy and incredible disappointment both have been a part of ST over 6 decades, but one thing remains constant: Hope that things will get better.
Even cannon based ships never seemed to spam cannon fire like most people do, in their little zippy escorts.
Too late to revamp it so completely, but i wouldn't have tied the damage numbers to a gazillion weapon ports on any given ship and give the most untreklike weapon (DHC) the biggest punch.
Spike damage should be in Torpedos and energy weapons type should be purely visual with stats defined by weapon components.
Exactly. With all motion bound to the horizontal axis, this is more like air combat! :mad: Take Escorts for example. They should be able to roll over their own axis as they fly forward. The Defiant was able to do that?!?!
Another problem is the angle. A lot of PvP Space Battles are located in some higher regions on the map. Why should it be necessary for a Spaceship to fly up in circles like in a parking deck, to get up there.
Umm, with a bit of practise, it's not difficult at all?
How many space combat games are there out there that do allow free 360 degree movement? How many of those space combat games keep being mentioned among gamer's top lists of games? Hell, TIE Fighter is still considered by IGN and other places to be one of the world's greatest games, and that is almost 20 years old.
Also, as far as the principles of gravity go on Star Trek... What principles of gravity? All of their ships have inertial dampeners and artificial gravity, so maneuvering really shouldn't be a problem, no matter what axis its on.
The engine is not designed for that.
For some reason this horrendous nonsense keeps being brought up time and again.
It is not possible to design a 3-d engine the does not allow 3-d movement.
Besides this is the same engine as in Champions online.
Champions online HAS complete 3-d movement so claiming the engine does not allow it make no sense at all.
*EDIT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBEvD5c2tU4
you can fly and do backflips (look at 5mins in).*
Pacing: I'd have to say the pacing felt perfect between levels 20 and 30, even up to 40 for the most part. At those levels your shields didn't fall to a single shot without three abilities active and you had to ration your abilities instead of simply spamming them. In addition you had the time to change your shield facings and reinforce them in combat instead of relying or nearly requiring tac team like you do at end game. I blame poor scaling in how much your ability to increase your resistances and heal increasing dramatically while your overall total shield and hull amounts don't really go up by much. All just IMHO.
There were small crafts in ST using all the bandwith of 3-dimensional space. Additionally it was shown that the Defiant can roll-over.
BoP as well, used a more steep argument a couple of times, than it is possible in STO.
You can do them in STO too, well 360 flip's in the air at least, not quite flying.
Yes, I'm aware that the image has an unfortunate angle but the animation's quite fast and it's hard to get an upside down character shot. I'll try it with trouser's next time.
On 360 degree maneuverability the game engine has nothing to do with it, you pitch up or down and you can fly in that direction, the only reason you can't go straight up or roll and invert is because of an arbitrary limit set on that degree of motion for the ships, not because the engine can't support it, Champions Online uses the same engine and has no such limitation on degrees of freedom, the only thing missing are roll controls, disorientation is not a factor, auto-righting is already built into the engine. How humans are designed is a non issue, humans have adapted well to operating aerobatic aircraft and spacecraft in the real world and the limitations of a 2D screen hasn't adversely affected players of fighter sims. That aside 360 flight doesn't bring anything of necessity to the game, 1 or 2000 foot long starships don't need to flit around like fighter jets, in fact it's less realistic if they do, but they could at least remove the limit on pitch angle so that ship can rise or dive without having to waste movement to get at targets above or below them.
All that aside, the real reason the game lacks a Star Trek feel is that Star trek isn't really about combat, it's about people, there is not enough interaction, not enough exploration, not enough puzzles and experiments, Scanning something should open a tricorder mini game that requires you to select parameters of the scan, repairing something should open a puzzle mini game that requires you to move and replace objects, but instead it's all go there, right click and wait, or shoot this, come here and collect reward, rinse and repeat.