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rjewkes
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In all my MMOs i jhave played that allow alts, some have required only so many on one server before using another server.
if season seven kills alting becuase of the time needed for Reputation.
Then what did you do before when the STF Gear was/is bound to character? edc's was bound to character?
and are your alts all leveled to and used for the stf grind? or simply for doff/dil grind?
is the doff and dill grind component not enough?
And what about the reason i have had multiple alts in all the games it has been allowed?
simply having an alternate style of play or different career/profession?
SWG Star Wars Galaxies combined three or four different progression options per character. with sub professions to boot.
Trader-structures/ship- or clothes/food Furniture/weopans droids/electronics and all traders could make small amounts of the other subb groups stuff like food and clothing and furniture some basic droids.
officers, Jedi,ETC all had subgroups, then add piloting xp either Freelance(smuggler's aliance(leaned rebel)) Empire, Rebel and Naboo royal pilot was in that mix.
and all allowed multiple variations on everything.
so why isn't having a realy good jumping Caitian(i assume Ferasins are the same) As a fed Engineer or tac or sci being different from a Klingon Fed officer or a lib borg?
why does it become oh now i have to have all characters leveled with rep and all and this is too much as opposed to just leveling two of your main characters I.E. 1 Fed 1 kdf with evertything and leaving the other alts for grinding sb needs and doff assignments to contribute to your fleet holdings?
I fore one even particip[ate in 4 Fed Fleets and 3 KDF Fleets. so thwere is always something different for each toon and a big reason for getting all toons to the same. and now with some of the changes to the rep system it doesn't take that long to complete the missions once all things are filled in.
if season seven kills alting becuase of the time needed for Reputation.
Then what did you do before when the STF Gear was/is bound to character? edc's was bound to character?
and are your alts all leveled to and used for the stf grind? or simply for doff/dil grind?
is the doff and dill grind component not enough?
And what about the reason i have had multiple alts in all the games it has been allowed?
simply having an alternate style of play or different career/profession?
SWG Star Wars Galaxies combined three or four different progression options per character. with sub professions to boot.
Trader-structures/ship- or clothes/food Furniture/weopans droids/electronics and all traders could make small amounts of the other subb groups stuff like food and clothing and furniture some basic droids.
officers, Jedi,ETC all had subgroups, then add piloting xp either Freelance(smuggler's aliance(leaned rebel)) Empire, Rebel and Naboo royal pilot was in that mix.
and all allowed multiple variations on everything.
so why isn't having a realy good jumping Caitian(i assume Ferasins are the same) As a fed Engineer or tac or sci being different from a Klingon Fed officer or a lib borg?
why does it become oh now i have to have all characters leveled with rep and all and this is too much as opposed to just leveling two of your main characters I.E. 1 Fed 1 kdf with evertything and leaving the other alts for grinding sb needs and doff assignments to contribute to your fleet holdings?
I fore one even particip[ate in 4 Fed Fleets and 3 KDF Fleets. so thwere is always something different for each toon and a big reason for getting all toons to the same. and now with some of the changes to the rep system it doesn't take that long to complete the missions once all things are filled in.
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And reputation means very little to me
We are legion. The time of our return is coming. Our numbers will darken the sky of every world. has a better ring to it
My Caitian is offended by that remark.
But to answer the title of the thread, no alting is not dead.
Munchkins who wanted to grind the most stuff in the shortest time are unhappy that using multiple characters to do it doesn't reward as much per hour as it used to. (Note, I use the word Munchkin with no negative connotation, and indeed as one who loves the game with the same name).
Those of us who alted because we want different experiences, still do it. I am newish, and I have 4 characters and I play them all. In my fleet there are several who were lifetime since beta and they do the same.
Fast easy dilithium from multiple alts is dead. Alting itself is just fine.
Granted it takes a little while to reach the level 50 dailies, but if you're willing to spend some EC (again not an exorbitant amount) you can stuff those alts with duty officers and level them up in a month or so just logging in once or twice a day to take missions.
Until STO offers the same variety of play as other games, I probably won't alt too much.
Some people don't like it, some do. I have a total of 9 characters, 6 Feds and 3 KDF. I play with them all equally, though I'm only focusing on the Rep system with three at a time.
Most of my fleetmates who have alt's and maintain them, log in, do DuOff's 2 or 3 STF's and some romulan, then switch to their alt, rinse repeat.
All of them are currently mothballed.
My first Klingon character, meanwhile, is sitting in his Negh'var.
ROLL TIDE ROLL
Then I have Eng Spec for support ground, and 2 Eng for space support, and crowd control, and the other for healing.
I have 2 Ground Sci one for healing only, and the other Spec only for things like the Physicist kit. then 2 space Sci one for healing, and shield reinforcement, the other I put in a Escort.
For KDF, it's all mixed thanks to things like BOP's and Carriers.
and they all serve my main Tac, and funnel all resources to him.
I Support Disco | Disco is Love | Disco is Life
Since each is different they get various playtime but still play each once a week
Not counting rep leveling
BTW.... Ferengi in a freighter is a great way to get ur commodities cheap (shield gens cost
60 vs 150)
- Frontloaded rewards or meaningful daily rewards. If there isn't something to get on an alt that a main can't give you, there's no point.
- Branching content paths.
- Racials, traits, skills, and gameplay that fundamentally feels different between species and between profession.
Right now, gameplay between the three professions feels similar. It's not just about the difference between tanking, healing, and damage. It's about a distinct mechanical feel like differing resource pools. Melee vs. ranged as a class defining element. Pets vs. self-centric damage.
Ask yourself, what's the downside to playing just one character in STO?
The ONLY one I can think of is the dilithium cap.
Now, what are the perks?
Better tanking, healing, or DPS, sure. But is the specialization worth the cost? Which in this case is playing for three hours or more.
And then, is it worth having more than three alts?
What do you get, cosmetically, content-wise, power-wise, or economically as a perk? And what does it cost you in terms of time played, money spent on reputation, DOffing, and progression?
Name for me one task that ONLY one class could do. Or that one profession could solo that another couldn't.
Ignoring ship classes and optimization for a second, what content requires a mix of professions and could not be done by five players of a single profession?
But I can hold out till mk xii or buy some mk x stuff and not upgrade to mk xii. Its not a big deal to me.
now the whole "This alt lives a STF to be played 3 mins aday" Alts are dead
i have a 3 Tac in a B'Rel - 2 are sci heavy (identical for funny PVP when one hits the 9k), 1 is pure Tac
i have 2 Sci in a B'rel, one in a Kar'fi (planning on one more with a different skill set)
i have 2 more Tac's in a fleet raptor and a scourge
1 engineer in a D'Kora
3Fed toons for enjoying the TOS bridge, the Defiant bridge and an engi flying the Picard's enterprise.. they are good for NADORC, but that's it.
Alt'ing isn't dead for me as much as I am generally in-active waiting on the rep system.
for instance, I have a science officer with a support build who exists for no reason other than to help fleet mates from behind so they can get the experience of fighting but not worry about losing. Not just a healer, but also buffs, debuffs etc. and good anti-fighter/boarding party defenses so they can focus on the big enemy without worrying about "trash mobs".
The downside of focusing on just one character is that after a while, it gets old and you want variety just for variety's sake.
In every mmo that was ever created there are mathematic advantages to having fewer characters. Even if nothing more than "the max-level character earns rewards/cash faster so each minute spent levelling an alt gives less reward than equal time spent on the max-level character". But that's not the full story.
Sometimes, it's about the journey and the experience, not the reward, not the math.
The lockbox ships have their sets, I use fitting weapons (Tet on Atrox, Spiral Wave on Galor, Phaser on Feds etc...) and equipment. Therefore I have no need to level Romulan or Omega faction past level 1 on most of those chars. I rotate through them, so it usually takes 2-3 days until I get back to Char number 1.
Fed:
50, Human Tac - Armitage/Danube - only Fed-member Boffs and Doffs
50, Vulcan Sci - D'Kyr/Tal'Kyr - all Vulcan Boff and Doffs.
50, Human Eng - Mirror Assault Cruiser (saving for the Ody & Aquarius) - only Fed-member Boffs and Doffs
36, Ferengi Eng - Ferengi Marauder (when hitting 40) - all Ferengi Boffs & Doffs
50, Trill Tac - Defiant Refit - only Fed-member Boffs and Doffs except for Advisors & Diplomats
50, Bajoran Tac - Fleet Patrol Escort - only Federation Boffs and Doffs
38, Bolian Eng - Tuffli Freighter - diverse Doff & Boff crew
08, Human Sci - Wells (when hitting 40) - only "unique" Doffs
50, Vulcan Sci - Oberth/Danube (saving for the Vesta Pack, 78% done) - Sci/Med Doff Crew
50, Cardassian/Alien Tac - Galor - all Cardie Doff/Boff Crew
50, Caitian Tac - Atrox - all Caitian Doff/Boff Crew
50, Human Tac - Sovereign (saving for the Regent) - only Fed-member Boffs and Doffs, Military-themed Doff Crew
12, Andorian Tac - *reserved for the Andorian ship* - all Andorian Boff/Doff Crew
KDF:
50, Trill Tac - Krenn Destroyer - working on a non-KDF Doff/Boff-Crew
50, Klingon Tac - Vor'Cha - all Klingon Doff/Boff Crew
50, Klingon Tac - Mirror Raptor - all Klingon Doff/Boff Crew
planned:
Orion Eng, Marauder cruiser, all Orion crew
Klingon Tac/Eng, Bortasqu/BoP, all Klingon crew
Human Tac, Gladius Escort Retrofit, all Fed crew
I'd also love to do a Romulan, probably mounted in a raptor, now that we have access to Romulan weapons, Doffs and Boffs, but I might hold off on that, considering we might have real playable ones in the future.
lol I have 7 fed and 3 Klingon toons I have 3 i play most of the time but once in awhile ill switch one of the others. It does allow me to play different ships with out having to unload and reload everything.
For starters, you are looking at one of the KING's of alts - that is currently having 40+ toons & prior to the introduction of Dilithium, 30+ characters.
The MAIN question you should be asking is "Motive," or "Reason," for having so many alts to begin with, especially prior to the ushering in of the Dilithium Age.
However; to briefly answer your first question: I was very selective as to which toons gets special attention. Despite soo many toons, I do have 4 or 5 that I consider my Main, though in all honesty all are my main.
Why soo many Alts? -> RP purposes, along with the simple reason that I find the character creation portion of this game quite fun.
I also made it so that I can try out each species offered in this game, including a few Alien variants.
Both - Many of my alts are maxed and were used for the STF Grind, giving me more choices in regards to the flavor of teh day. One day I may be in a Trill mood, another a Ferengi etc...
Also I coincide my toons with the different ships available in the game - brings more choices in regards to gameplay and looks. Prior to season 7 owning many alts came in handy in regards to console clicking, but in all honesty I did not buy more slots or created many new toons for that purpose. That was simply an added bonus as far as an exploit. I only did it with a few, less than 10 toons - simply because the time invested in console clicking with soo many toons was unrealistic and boring.
enough for? For starter I do not doff, I never really was into that portion of STO - it is not my thing. I know it is very very rewarding, but it is not my thing, nor do I look down on folks who do them. Since season 7 is soo Grind heavy I have to be smart and selective as to which toon I use or level, and since I have soo many, it is cause for some dedication to a toon.
In STO its more about races, ships, RP, and ship experimentation, along with the fun part of creating a new toon with its own bio.
One of the Huge Pro's in regards to many toons, is that you CAN contribute to Fleet Holdings and possibly carry a Fleet up to Tier III, and beyond if you are crazy enough. I am doing that as you read this. My Fleet owns 3 Fleets -> A Main Fleet, a KDF, and a Reserve fleet for players alts. The Rep system for me, is seen as more of a hindrance than anything else, so only a selected few toons is currently going through the grind.
True, it is great if you have less than 10 toons, but with someone like me with 40+ toons crossing two accounts, it's a living nightmare. The new system has been recently introduced and I already had my characters prior to the introduction of the Dilithium currency.
I may be ingame wealthy, but by no means I'm super rich - There are players here that are Billionaires already, in both EC and virtual goods - so people like them may not be effected as much. I however; have to Grind like the average Joe or the new comer silver player on a daily basis - (though S7 made it difficult for me to maintain my play mode)
You can only start at level 50 with the Rep System.
That is a LONG time until you can break the Warp 10 barrier,
all my Ships have maxed Drive Coil + Borg Engine just to be fast in Sector Space.
If i started another ALT pre Season 7 i was able to get the Borg Engine at lvl 45 with just 5 EDC, i could do that in an hour. Now it takes WEEKS to get the Rep System to Tier 2.
I do NOT want to wait that long for what i consider basic cruising speed...
With 11 Characters i have more than enough to do with the Rep System as it is for now anyway, so i don't think that i'll be starting nr. 12 anytime soon. (unless there is a real good reason.)
...also the foundry clickies provided a nice amount of AFK XP, combined with the DOff System you could level up to 50 rather fast, without really leaving ESD/Q'onos. With them gone now AFK leveling only with DOffs probably will take a good while longer.
and IMHO the game starts at lvl50, lvl1-50 are only tutorial time.
If there was a promote BOff to Captain (lvl40) ability, i would probably use that for any future alt and never start at lvl1 again.
Deleted all but one on my other account and only have three on this one left. The only reason I didn't get rid of the other two on this account is due to time investment and stuff they have.
I wont be rolling anymore alts as this game is aimed at solely a single alt grind. To be honest S6 started that off with the grind for Borg tech etc, but dilithium meant it was worth keeping them to grind it.
Now that S7 is out, it has put the final nail in the coffin for alts...
I'm the same and yes there is no way I will have the time to take them through the rep system totally but maybe a few levels.
So for me no alting is not dead just a bit different but I'm here to play the game and enjoy myself not to be the top of every single leaderboard.
Captain Ellisa Varr
The 12th Fleet
Section 31, Captain of Gamma Squad
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I think anyone with less than six chars has a job and no time for what you say. I am playing this game since over a year now and I have 3 chars. One is my mainchar (tac) who still has some blue consoles.. just because i dont have the time to play every day and grind EC or whatsoever. The other 2 chars are science fed and science klingon. All are at VA but those 2 other chars do not have any good gear at this point. If i could play like 5-6 hours a day, it would be different maybe but the content we had in the past was so boring, i just couldnt play the same stuff over and over again. Now we have more missions but we also need to invest more. Its equal again and so its the same as it was before for me.