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Hive Onslaught - fix it or cut it
shadowwraith77
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A pve for 5 people, after about 5 deaths each just to kill the guardians, the 2 weapons protecting the queen ammounted to about 25+deaths each person without a single successfull destruction of either of the 2 weapons.... To put it simply they have incorporated too many repair and tractor spheres along with too many probes protecting the weapons, not to mention the over abundant damage the 2 weapons inflict just themselves..... I got hit by a single plasma torpedo for easy 89,000dmg one hit kills from almost every weapon they defend themselves with. So devs you all must have really been hitting the crack pipe when you designed that mission for only 5!
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Unless you were super close to the target, you should have ample time to shoot down torps headed your way. Maybe it's easier on an escort running cannons and turrets but I shoot them down fairly quick without being off my main target for more than a couple seconds?
Oh and you may wish to edit your post some, otherwise that last line is gonna get this edited and/or locked by staff..
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+1, exactly what I tried to say.
This. Even cure isn't worth bothering with anymore. Do ISE and maybe KASE once a day and your solid, anything more and your just wasting timr that could be spent slamming your head on the brain dead dilithium pinata in SB24
First... 6 Tac cubes, and they expect us to kill them all in 10 minutes for the optional. Possible in a team of only full DPS Escorts. Maybe.
Next... Command Ships of Doom. Unless you got Power Drains on top of Power Drains... its just impossible. The frickin' Superlasers have a 20 Km range (Granted they aren't entirely accurate at times thankfully), Insta death Torpedo Spreads, Regen Probes that constantly come back...
Normal Command Ship tactics DO NOT WORK!
Tried my usual Circle the top spike. Died left and right. Tried parking right in its face in hopes that the Plasma Bolt would do lots of damage. NEGATED by Regen Probes that appear pretty much instantly after one Regen is destroyed. Even tried Harsh Language. And it is actually made worse by the increasing respawn timer. Whole team dies, back to Square One.
Hive Space Elite was actually the first STF I Rage Quit.
In short... this mission is NOT balanced for a team of 5.
Now, Into the Hive Ground Elite is another story, way too hard, they need to nurf it, and make the electro platforms also kill the borg that are on the square.
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dont forget KAGE, CGE, those runs are pretty straight forward and pretty easy for a group of knowledgable folk to run through pretty fast.
Hahaha, steamrolled...escorts.
As Data once said, "Very funny!" :P
You mean it is not balanced for a team of 5 not so good players :P
Learn to play noob or stay out of ESTF
It's a new STF which needs new tactis. The not so good players have to wait until the better players are making their knowledge know through the academy ;-)
At least for Pugs this mission is just insane, right at the start one players aggros all 6 elite tac cubes at once, then they refuse to read the team chat and continue suiciding when we are all on 75 second death timer and would need a break to get that timer reset. Two guys in the team were flying with about 30 injuries, including a ton of critical ones. Fun times.
Still, I enjoy the challenge. But as other people mentioned, this is NOT a mission I'll grind for marks. There is really no reason to do this except for the challenge. Are there are least Accolades for beating this?
Also, can anyone tell me how feedback pulse works? Whenever the diamond activated that I more or less insta-popped. I know it returns damage. But how, is it a fixed amount per shot? Per second? Is there a max range?
My second run was successful, but without the optional (died 6x)
My third run was successful, with the optional (died 4x).
WE LEARNED. WE GOT BETTER. WE PLANNED.
Just as CURE Elite space was tough, in the end we got it. It took time, ultimatly a fleet consisting of:
1 TAC Klingon siege.
1 Human Tank (Odyssey, engineer)
1 Human Sci, running a Vesta
2x Human Defiants (1 running a nasty spread of mines, the other all DPS)
The SCI is a must for shield draining. The two escorts and the siege for DPS. Took a while, but frankly IT WAS FUN.
How did we do it?
1.) start from the top down on the TAC CUBE stack.
2.) Pull back, focus fire
3.) Don't PANIC at the wave of spheres - they only come once.
4.) Last CUBE and 3 Spheres are tough... for time.
5.) Stay ABOVE or BELOW the Unimatrix Mutherfrakkers. Focus on ONE ONLY - the usual - regen probes first. They tend to fire 4x a combo of attacks. after that they slow down waiting to recharge.
6.) DON'T ATTACK SINGLY - WORK AS A GROUP - WAIT FOR YOUR RESPAWNS.
7.) The Queen has 1.6+ million Hull. Likely the same in shields. Protect and heal your sci ship while it drains her shields. Use your tank as fodder (sorry).
8.) Wear her down in waves. Once she drops her shield her hull drops quickly (well not quickly, but quicker than her shields).
9.) SHE WILL RECHARGE - DO NOT WORRY - 1 WAVE CAN TAKE 20% OF HER SHIELDS.
10.) Stop and enjoy the moment when she dies.
It can be done.
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I mean I get that the lance weapon is supposed to be a punishment for not being in the right position and the game flags this to you. No, I'm not talking about that - I'm talking about the torpedo spreads that do 100k damage to half the team.
yea, but was reading the elite channels and nobody shouts to team for any ground anymore, they only shout for ISE, KASE most of time and is much less now in compare to before which was almost nonstop teaming shouts. STF'S were very good end game balanced challenge/reward pack and they just killed, they removed the rewards and just left the challenge.
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and reward is not worth it.
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Without map specific rewards people will naturally just go for the easy route.
The map itself great idea in principal putting out something more challenging for the people who walk all over classic stf's.
I thought most of the npc's looked famillar aswell as the background but not a bad map, it's new if nothing else.
Just won't be playing it is all.
IMHO the mission needs a couple tweaks only. Namely STO needs to undo the "cheats" they used to 'roid the enemies this one:
- the spheres do more damage than the cubes, anyone noticed?. That just ain't right. Spheres should be like in ISE.
- We tried pulling a cube at a time but they all aggro at the same time. You can eventually pull 1 or 2 a time but it is way harder than it should be. Cubes should be aggroed only when shot at. Spheres, since escorting the cubes, should be aggroed when their assigned cube is aggroed.
- Uni ships are same as in invasion. no probs there. People just need to watch out for plasma bolts.
- The queen can be dealt with by kiting at 8-9 km. But it is unnecessarily long because of her "immortal" shield. Since we have seen no other ship with never-ending insta-regen shield, it feels like cheating. Just make her insta-regen a power with a long cooldown (say 60 sec).
- The rest is just a matter of strategy. From my experience pugging the opt should be doable with a good team. People will get better at this. But the points i just pointed out have a "baddies are cheating" feel that's very frustrating.
My 2 cents.
You can finish CSE in 7-8 mins, just chain them back to back, its easier.
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I went in there last night for the first time, and won with the optional, I died twice. I liked the fight with borg queen, i spent half that fight running away and the other half running at her.
The fight with the weapons was no joke, but just kill the regen spheres and they go down quick enough.
Granted I've only played this on my Engineer/Cruisers, but the standards 2 tac, 1 sci, and 1 eng should be plenty fine for kicking it's butt.
For the record, I am an experienced player who was working with 3 experienced fleet mates and one PUG. And it was my first time in that particular one. Would have had a full team from the fleet but he missed the window. I was also on my Science character, which wasn't my main. I really find it irritating when people assume you lack skill and call you out on it when you try to do something. Reminds me of this one guy I rezzed on Defera, only to get insulted for "Drawing aggro". I was getting those cortical nodes. Of course I will draw aggro.
So before you call Noob, ask what the circumstances were before writing off someone.
For the record, we did it with our fleet yesterday. First run, all optionals, wtf there's no dil, kthxbye STFs.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Reputation system = running the space STFs over & over.
Then going to grind dilithium in "other" ways waiting for your reputation timers. :rolleyes:
Why do Hive @ all? Ground or space? Just do the EZ STFs & move on.
Yeah, that's right.
Phase 1- one person pulls a cube to the team, tries to not aggro the rest of the pack
phase 2- 3 Hug the command ships, putting every debuff they have on them, 2 kite probes away from the "Active" ship
phase 3- CC the diamond to hell and back, when down to only two people alive run diferant directions