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jellico1
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The penalty for ship destruction is so mild
That it is virtually ignored , the player repairs the
Minor damage and charges headlong right back into
The unrealistic position he just left, a lot of the time
Just getting destroyed again.
I propose the following
Upon ship destruction
Shields stay at 25% gradually returning to normal I'n 5 minutes
Provided crew at 100% a graduated fraction of that amount if they
Are out of action as well
Hull same formula
Upon respawning
Crit component needed. 1 to 3
Major component needed. 1 to 5
Minor component needed. 1to 12
It would drastically change the way people play
The way they build there ships
The ships they choose to use
The same formula could be used on characters on
The ground
This could be a Elite only setting too but it should met
The player using it a much greater reward
I think the system currently I'n use is way too easy it's
Almost no penalty at all and encourages zerging
I think it would add a tremendously amount of replayability
To missions if the reward for using it was just to the
Extra risk
That it is virtually ignored , the player repairs the
Minor damage and charges headlong right back into
The unrealistic position he just left, a lot of the time
Just getting destroyed again.
I propose the following
Upon ship destruction
Shields stay at 25% gradually returning to normal I'n 5 minutes
Provided crew at 100% a graduated fraction of that amount if they
Are out of action as well
Hull same formula
Upon respawning
Crit component needed. 1 to 3
Major component needed. 1 to 5
Minor component needed. 1to 12
It would drastically change the way people play
The way they build there ships
The ships they choose to use
The same formula could be used on characters on
The ground
This could be a Elite only setting too but it should met
The player using it a much greater reward
I think the system currently I'n use is way too easy it's
Almost no penalty at all and encourages zerging
I think it would add a tremendously amount of replayability
To missions if the reward for using it was just to the
Extra risk
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
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I think your right
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
But I don't PvP.
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With the addition of the difficulty settings so long ago, I always wondered why it was necessary for our starships to continue blowing up at all on Basic? Save destruction - with or without the suggested higher penalties - for those starships with the highest % of critical damage on Elite. With Advanced also being a better defined gray area.
I think that game would be better suited for you.
Why is that ?
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Because EvE is all about PvP;)
Making something increasingly difficult and frustrating does not necessarily make it fun, just more darn annoying, besides it won't work in STO.
The game design is quirky and arcade'ish at best. The NPC's are just plain awful and they don't adapt to the player play style.
STO version of an end game dungeon is making the enemies increasingly hard to kill but increasing their HP to gazillion percent and making thier invisible Plasma Torp hit you for 999999999999999999999999999999999999999% DMG.
No skills involved
No Tactics
No Nothing, but a dummied down opponent. Pew pew pew pew fire back pew pew pew.
For Ground:
Ever played the game F.E.A.R? How enemies adapt / very basic but ingenuis
Ever played TERRA Online? Skills and combat system is unmatched / second to none
Ever played Bridge Commander? The space sim, while not revolutionary, it captures the essence of Trek Combat. KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN !!!!!!!!!!
While your idea is great an awesome, it just simply too advance for the simplicity of this game. In regards to PvP, hmm? Dunno, does STO have PvP anymore - :P
And it would just be lame in PvP. While their ships were "healing", people would just go hide. Not fun for them or for the people trying to fight them.
When you die, Log out, back in, delete your character and then roll a new one, Rather than trying to impose your random ideas on others.
There... Solved.
In the future, look through the archives... That would save you alot of theese posts.
I don't PVP either and I think missions already take too long to complete. After your ship
is destroyed there are glitches that cause the level not to load properly meaning you have to leave the system to reload it. This game is being played by adults with lives to live. Time penalties are a waste of my time. I already wish travelling between sectors was faster and easier.
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
I see and understand your intent. No problem. But here it is.
In the real world, if STO could be real, which it can't and never will be, death is final. No one would ever send less than a fleet of ships to do a mission that STO sends 1 new Lieutenant in a Miranda with a green crew to accomplish. And the ship leaves dry dock without the capabilities ALL ships in cannon Star Trek have. All ships have tractor beams. In STO it's a Boff skill. All Boff powers should be dependent on the ships equipment. We make it an officer skill. The sheer mass of metal required to build these star ships, the resources, should make losing even 1 a blow to the factions wallet.
Further, ship vs ship, all tech being equal, the ration for wins and losses should be nearly 1:1 unless there is a clear tech advantage. Getting to fire on an uncloaked unshielded ship should be a near kill. Not here. Fire on an unshielded target nothing happens but their shield goes up and battle ensues. Decloak and alpha in a Real World situation would be a kill every time.
Zerging may suck, but this is a game. Want it more difficult? Do what noobs do. Refuse to heal ship or character injuries while playing on advanced or elite difficulty. Get so many injuries you can no longer harm space dust. That should solve your concern.
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EvE Online has a harsh death penalty. When you get blown up in EvE, your ship is destroyed, permantley. You have to buy another, and buy fittings for it. Also..if your pod (your toon) gets destroyed, you die. Better hope you have an updated clone, or all those months you spent training are gone.
Harsh enough for ya? Points--> EvE Online.
I flick betwen eve and sto for a change. Sto is fine at the moment. i like the fact that the more you die the longer its takes to rez.
Maybe you could add on elite modes that when you have damage you dont repaire then the next death the damage gets worse ie minor to major then to critical to eventually you cant do squat.
This.
I even play everything on normal. If I permanently died everytime I blew up, I would leave STO post haste. If you want to die permanently, delete a toon as others have said. For me, STO is supposed to be somewhat mindless entertainment to destress from the very real tragedies going on in real life.
No... I disagree that ridiculous death penalties will cause people to suddenly get smarter about the way they play.
Dumb people will stay dumb and complain more...
Though something tells me that this is more about punishing dumb people than adding anything positive to the game soooo... yeah.
Fun thread but the chances of them adding this to the game are about the same as them adding you as a NPC in the game to teach basic game mechanics... not ever going to happen... ever.
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Losing xp in PvE is a decent alternative in my opinion. It forces the player to reconsider the situation and do something different.
-people do not really care if their ship gets destroyed, why? Because with one click you essentially get a new one.
unless im mistaken, in all star trek series, a ship being destroyed is a VERY serious matter.
more severe death penalties might make people upset about the higher difficulties.
instead of making ships blow up everytime there hull is low, make them untargetable. let them have say 1% hull, no shields, and the usual on fire, heavily damaged graphics. Then require the person whos ship is damaged to either warp to ESD for repairs or use some of those crit/major/minor components to repair the ship.
THEN! lets say they get a critically damaged system. this should be some type of visual affect that you can see, like a hull breach with atmosphere leaking and part of your hull exposed/hull plating missing that reduces your hull points. or maybe a damaged nacelle leaking that reduces your warp speed. The point is, these injuries should not be repaired anywhere but a space dock, and they should take some time. NOT i repeat NOT days or hours. but maybe 30 minutes or 15 minutes. This way people might take more caution in how they manuver their ship and how they build it.
and for all of you who i gurantee will hate on my idea, this should be for the advanced / elite difficulties, NOTNOTNOT for normal.
Its a Dev issue and they refuse to address the issues with PvP...
Unless you are doing STFs...PvE dying is...unheard of...at the VA level...well unless you leveled in 3 days and do not have a clue how you did that...NOW...you have to learn how to play the game...but the dying will soon end and you can get on with your Star Base grinding.
my 2ec's worth
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I dont get it..If that is the experience you want playing a game, go play EvE..This game will never be what you want. I dont understand why people play a game, that obviously isnt for them.
Furthermore..i dont understand why people think that they can go change a game mechanic like that so far into a game..People need to understand that this game isnt in BETA anymore, yet everyone treats it like it is..
They dont have to go anywhere because they dont really want that type of experience. Proof? Actions speak louder than words. They can already delete an item, or their ship, or even their character when they die if they really wanted that kind of experience. The fact that they arent doing those things proves that they dont really want it.
Don't forget the Borg Power Walk/ Run as well!
Funny looking and frustrating.
Well..you are absolutley right there. Gee, i wonder why they are not doing these things themselves, and instead are whining to have the cryptic team make it happen for them..
Because they are just full of hot air. Like I said, actions speak louder than words, and the fact that the people who post threads like this arent already deleting their own items/ships/characters when they die proves they dont really want it to happen.