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C-Store EVA Suits. It's called supply and demand.
ussathena
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If you guys feel that it's not worth 7 dollars. Then just don't buy it. Truth is it's called supply and demand. If there is not much demand for it, the price will go down. If you guys don't feel it's worth it to you, then just don't purchase it. Thats really the most effective way you guys can speak your mind. Making rants about it on forums is not really that effective.
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Players have a right to voice their own opinions, just as you are doing right now.
This. I usually am not the one to say this (MikeWendell will likely show up here at some point XD) but should've searched for this. There's already threads about c-store eva suit complaints.
Supply and Demand does not apply with the C-store.
And in the three years since I've started playing STO, Cryptic has yet dropped prices on items, except during the 20% sales.
but not 90 !!!
try 11 Characters x 700 Zen + 19% VAT
PER CHARACTER is what we are ******** about, not the 700 Zen.
(if it was account wide it would be a no brainer to buy both FED+KDF variants for 1400, even though that is a bit pricey already)
if it was 100 Zen PER CHAR it would still be expensive for players with 30+ Characters, and yes those are out there.
also making the Item Tradeable is a BS move that will only make people buy it who want to get easy EC through $ to Zen to Item to Exchange to EC
-> why not sell EC directly in the C-Store?
That wouldn't throw off sales numbers of... lets say LockBox keys, half the keys that Cryptic sells are to people who only buy them for the easy EC.
I think some thing like uniform packs actually have become more expensive. Which only proves that there's more than enough demand.
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I really don't think that had anything to do with demand.
If prices did go up due to demand, people wouldn't be too happy about that.
"Demand" is essentially "Are there still enough morons who would pay to get it?" As long as the money they get extra from those who buy it at the higher price exceeds what they would make by selling it to more people at the cheaper price they are happy.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
You are half right. Not buying them is a very clear message that people dont want to pay the price, (or equally that many people are happy to pay) however prices almost never change after they have been released.
if people feel that the pricing is wrong (and it seems 99% do based off the first thread so far) then letting them know before they add it gives them a chance to at least consider changing it. once its released there wont be a change of heart. that would be unfair to anyone who buys at the higher price and would be seen as a sneaky tactic to charge some the most amount of money and then get everybody else at the lower cost a bit later.
at best all we could hope for is some c-store review 6 months or a year + down the line when some prices are reviewed and prices slashed or a c-store sale.
The price of generic Doff packs went down in price recently. I'm pretty sure its the first thing to drop in price since F2P, but it may be a sign prices can change.
Do prices change/drop over time in other PWE games?
The cost to manufacture this item is about the same it took for them to take the security escort eva costume and apply it to a generic armor and put it in a requisition pack.
The problem is with the price point. If I want to take this fire resistant armor and put it on my bridge crew so they can safely fall off the cat walk in the fire cave or on myself and a boff in hearts and mind for the poisonous gas (assuming that they can even activate the suit) then I would need to purchase 5 suits on one character if I want my crew to match.
Right now if I buy a uniform I can apply it to myself and bridge crew on all toons.
-sighs-
another "cosmetic" item that isnt being put into the gold pressed latinum store, which is what it was created for in the first place... right?
why even bother to have it anymore?
I very much agree. It will be interesting to see how things play out. Non-reclaimable, single-use/character purchases are common in many other f2p games, some more successful than others. Ofc, those that I know of never started off with account unlocks to begin with, so the customer base did not need to be galvanized by a sudden marketing transition.
I'm keenly interested to see the response of Cryptic to losing some of the 90% of players - who log in and play, but who do not pay. While they don't support the game monetarily, its foolish to think they don't have a part in keeping the game alive.
It is not called "supply and demand". Supply, in this case, is endless so it doesn?t factor in.
Excuse me for trying to teach people about netiquette. Granted that's the moderators job around here. Think they're going a good job of it? Or even an attempt at it?
But to reply to fiberteksyfir, EVA is a three letter word and therefore unsearchable here in the forums. There's no way the poster could have searched for it without falling back to google.
To use an example from another thread, even a noob would have known that.
This ^. This is why we feel the need to provide feedback about the pricing.
I can understand why Cryptic feels the need to shift to selling per-character items in a F2P game. What I can't fathom is why they insist on charging per-account prices for them.
I have a fondness for alternate characters. I currently have 4-5 that I use fairly regularly for doffing and play depending on my mood. While I might have been okay with a $5 EV suit purchase for a single character, I am not okay with spending $35 or more on EV suits. Won't happen.
I might have paid $7 for an account unlock. Maybe even $10, if the stats were right and if the suits were useful for more than one location.
But $7 per character under the circumstances is foolish. I'll stick with the in-game suits.
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I guess this is no longer the case. I will only buy account unlocks and since the fleet ships I have decided I will no longer spend real money in this game anymore, not until the money we have spent is re-invested into the game, and I am not taking about cheap overpriced EVA suits, re-skinned fleet ships or crappy Starbases, I'm talking about more missions, a complete KDF faction, more free in-game ship choices, more c-store account unlocked ships etc. But I am dreaming here.
Best thing for customers to do is refuse to spend any money on this game anymore, boycott purchasing Zen until Cryptic and PWE pick up their act. At the end of the day as a group we have the power as we pay their wages, bills and keep their lifestyle intact. They are supposed to be making this game for us, their paying customers, if they keep going against us, whether we buy Zen or not it won't matter the game will be doomed.
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Honestly, I think this is much ado about nothing. There are better in game items and while I know some folks are upset that it is not account unlocked it really doesn't matter in the long run as like I said it will be cosmetic only so they price it as such.
Personally, I plan on buying one for my main just to have it. I don't need it on my other VA's as they have the tholian set or the better bonus types.
I'm pretty sure most uniform packs are cheaper AND account wide unlocks. Not mentioning that they also DO NOT occupy slots that could be used for better equipment. So if they were priced as cosmetic items they would be cheaper.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
A lot of the people who are complaining about it have stated that they intend to do exactly that.
If you don't like reading peoples rants about it, then skip over them. That's really the most effective way you can ease your mind. Making condescending threads stating something obvious that is only going to raise those peoples' ire is not really that effective.
Totally aggree.
And to actually add to that, its NOT Supply and Demand, this is a digital product. Supply and Demand means the cost rises when the demand is higher than the supply or the cost drops when the supply is higher than the demand, since the supply is unlimited on this product (as its a virtual item), raising the price has nothing to do at all with supply and damand but infact only to do with greed.
This is the key point right here, for both the EVA suit and Fleet ships. Charging amounts that used to apply to account-wide unlocks for single-character unlocks is where the major problem lies.
I won't be paying these prices for single character items -- ever.
I've bought most of the uniform packs (account-wide) and will continue to do so if I like them. But to pay the same or higher price for single character items is not an option. If they're going to make it per character, they need to adjust their pricing accordingly.
This ^^.....so much this ^^!!!! But you have to remember...there will be always suckers with disposable income that it will be redundant!
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That said, vote with your wallet. Whining and complaining doesn't help - stop spending money on things you think are over-priced. Don't buy every costume or ship "just because". If Cryptic thought it would make more from a low margin, high volume strategy they'd do it - you need to convince them that's the case.
funny because I have been playing for years and never seen anything go down.
Most everything is overpriced in the store IMO. And the store was one of the top 2 reasons I left in the first place.
Regardless.... is it just me or has the forum been flooded with PWE apologists. Seems like every thread I read people are making VALID points and not engaing in nerd rage and there are post after post of people saying deal with it, move on, etc. I kind of feel like there is a lot of astroturfing going. Of course thats MUCH EASIER now that every one has the same join date and newish name.