I'm so glad I bought mine for 237 million. I have a funny feeling what's left of them is going to cost a hell of a lot more.
What I am rather annoyed by is how the Feds were ALL HAPPY before the news broke, and were literally dancing in the streets over the Escort-Carrier & the SB Defiant & other SB ships, but when the Jemmy gets a buff, it's suddenly a HUGE problem. Bit of a double standard if you ask me.
The Ship Creator Programmer Dude, says he just hands out a 1000 hitpoint bonus here and there and really doesn't think about what he's doing! Oh wait that would mean they/He would have to come up with a ship design system that works. Warpcores, we don't need no stingkin warpcores. i do find it funny that the Lockbox ships are the first to be updated. Whats next Cruisers with 4photon torpedos and 8phasers.
Wish I could think of something wise and cool, and all That!
The Ship Creator Programmer Dude, says he just hands out a 1000 hitpoint bonus here and there and really doesn't think about what he's doing! Oh wait that would mean they/He would have to come up with a ship design system that works. Warpcores, we don't need no stingkin warpcores. i do find it funny that the Lockbox ships are the first to be updated. Whats next Cruisers with 4photon torpedos and 8phasers.
They already thought that one out. They created the escort-carrier that spawns waves of phaser firing pets, and guess what? It is loaded with a torpedo point defence, so its probably more than just 4.
They already thought that one out. They created the escort-carrier that spawns waves of phaser firing pets, and guess what? It is loaded with a torpedo point defence, so its probably more than just 4.
Thats not cool! maybe my job choice of Admin was not a good one. I should have ben a programmer when I growup, that way I too can make choices based on absolutly whatever doesnot make sense. Is that PD torp firing normal sized torps? HOW! that makes sense Hey ship buildes at starfleet command, or whatever replicator they come out of put those things on every single ship, more than one, every availible weapons hardpoint. Wait we don't have hard points, we have ships with weapons on the front and back. and ya IM ranting now. This game could be fun, it could be really something I want to put more of my time and money into. However, after realizing theres a 3page outline for Starship designing that is for all kinds of ideas choices, tech ideas levels and created for the computer, 15years ago. It even Scales. and people here on the boards for STO are all complaining about an extra upgrade slott that is really not called for. the comsole not the complaining. after all an Escort has 1weapon less than a cruiser, 1 20th the crew, 15% less the hitpoints. That makes sense, I looked up the Carrier! ya right! the big carrier, has 3000 crew the HEAVY ESCORT CARRIER has 200. and one more weapon. not to mention that PD torp, look at those 2 ships and understand, The designers do not care. not one little bit. Why oh WHY? rant done.
Wish I could think of something wise and cool, and all That!
Looks like all nonJemHadarowner are angry that the players how have one gets a little upgrade so they are competitive with the fleet ships.
I m happy that i got a little upgrade for my 260 euro i spend to get 1 (yea im stupid/crazy that i spend that amount) but hell yea i can use my jem hadar now for coming endcontent!
Yep, it's TRIBBLE. At least the Defiant has a bad BO layout. The Jem'hadar ship is practically perfect w/ the exception of maybe converting an ENG to a SCi console slot
Looks like all nonJemHadarowner are angry that the players how have one gets a little upgrade so they are competitive with the fleet ships.
I m happy that i got a little upgrade for my 260 euro i spend to get 1 (yea im stupid/crazy that i spend that amount) but hell yea i can use my jem hadar now for coming endcontent!
If by competitive you mean ridiculously OP, sure. That Jem'hadar ship puts all the fleet escorts on both sides to shame, and it will be a day 1 release. (whereas the other comparable ship, the Defiant, won't be hitting the game for months)
If by competitive you mean ridiculously OP, sure. That Jem'hadar ship puts all the fleet escorts on both sides to shame, and it will be a day 1 release. (whereas the other comparable ship, the Defiant, won't be hitting the game for months)
Ooooohh! You mean my already questionably OP ship is now MOAR OP? *Tweeks nipple*
So, presumably, these ships will be buffed with S6 launch, meaning they will be a fleet ship available months and months before anybody else has ground enough to unlock the rest of them?
Oh, and where's the buff to all the other ships that people spent real money on?
*Bites lip and walks like an ostrich to his "private quarters"* I get the buffed goodness before the other mainstream ships that are equal to it?? Eeeek!
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Oh yea the bug bean OP that is a old one but with the new buff to it hey why do you ever want to use another ship in STO? The bug is so overpowerd compare to the rest of escorts it is ridicules now, and all the jem bug users that whine how they need a buff to the upcomming seasone 6, bug with old stats was still better then all the new escorts, that are comming, with the new stats it is seasone 7 ship not 6.
Oh yea the bug bean OP that is a old one but with the new buff to it hey why do you ever want to use another ship in STO? The bug is so overpowerd compare to the rest of escorts it is ridicules now, and all the jem bug users that whine how they need a buff to the upcomming seasone 6, bug with old stats was still better then all the new escorts, that are comming, with the new stats it is seasone 7 ship not 6.
How about you try the fleet escorts out before writing them off as inferior to the bug. Currently there are quite a few good escort builds with good pilots that can take down jemmys.
Sounds to me like some people aren't willing to adapt.
How about you try the fleet escorts out before writing them off as inferior to the bug. Currently there are quite a few good escort builds with good pilots that can take down jemmys.
Sounds to me like some people aren't willing to adapt.
what part of 5 TACTICAL CONSOLES don't you understand?
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How about you try the fleet escorts out before writing them off as inferior to the bug. Currently there are quite a few good escort builds with good pilots that can take down jemmys.
Sounds to me like some people aren't willing to adapt.
The Fleet Escort is a TRIBBLE Bucket compared to the current Jemhadar ship. Same boff layout (actually arguably worse), far inferior Agility. Same consoles. Lower Agility. Same shields and hull point totals. And soon to have Less tac consoles, and less HP and SP!
The new Fleet Escort, at best is an Equal to the current Bug (still inferior though due to the sheer agility of the Bug).
The New Defiant is a Joke, compared to the New Bug. As the Bug has the FE's and console layout. Actually a Bug can One Up Fleet Escort Durability, thanks to the stupid Uni station. (second engineer anyone?)
The MVAM is a TRIBBLE bucket as well compared to the Bug, but it at least has the saving grace of being able to run a better crowd control and debuff setup more reliably.
Anyone that defends the Bug ship is an idiot, or is lying to themselves. Just like anyone that defends Siphon Pods, and Leech as anything but stupidly overpowered is.
"You just say that cause you don't have one!" No, I say that because I'm not a moron. I -do- have siphon pods, and leech in my own arsenal klink side. And I will acknowledge they are indeed broken as all get out. The difference is, I'm not lying to myself, when I field it about how awesome I am compared to everyone else.
When CPB was broken as all get out, and I ran it on my MVAM? I knew full well and admitted and STILL championed for CPB to be brought into balance. Because frankly, I wasn't having -that- much fun gibbing everyone's shields off and one passing them. Resistances be damned. I also knew that frankly if I could do it, anyone else could.
You bug boys that think you're hot ****? You aren't. If you were, you'd be willing to pilot something that really is on equal footing and do Shuttle Wars like a man. But you don't. Because you get sent straight to the Respawn point by "scrubs" like me.
ya and thats terrible as well. but do you seriously not understand the impact of the bugs station setup, and movement stats?
the old bug could fly circles around every other escort, including the vaunted defiant, and out tank them easily. you could run 2 RSPs on the damn thing if you want. it was already by far the most dangerous ship in the hands of a skilled player, and now with 5 tactical consoles it will deal more damage then any ship ever has since befor season 2. AND out tank any other escort, AND fly circles around everything.
in game, there isn't 1 singular thing that is better then any other option, it usually depends on the situation your in, except in this case. the bug ship is plainly and in every way beter then everything else. and then they buffed it, HARD
How about you try the fleet escorts out before writing them off as inferior to the bug. Currently there are quite a few good escort builds with good pilots that can take down jemmys.
Sounds to me like some people aren't willing to adapt.
To be quite frank the Fleet Escorts look awful. The only two worth anything are the +1 Defiant and the "Patrol Escort", which, while having competitive stats everywhere else, has a turn rate somewhere between a vat of pudding and the movement of tectonic plates. Hell, some of them don't even have the same total number of consoles.
The Fleet Escort is a TRIBBLE Bucket compared to the current Jemhadar ship. Same boff layout (actually arguably worse), far inferior Agility. Same consoles. Lower Agility. Same shields and hull point totals. And soon to have Less tac consoles, and less HP and SP!
The new Fleet Escort, at best is an Equal to the current Bug (still inferior though due to the sheer agility of the Bug).
The New Defiant is a Joke, compared to the New Bug. As the Bug has the FE's and console layout. Actually a Bug can One Up Fleet Escort Durability, thanks to the stupid Uni station. (second engineer anyone?)
The MVAM is a TRIBBLE bucket as well compared to the Bug, but it at least has the saving grace of being able to run a better crowd control and debuff setup more reliably.
Anyone that defends the Bug ship is an idiot, or is lying to themselves. Just like anyone that defends Siphon Pods, and Leech as anything but stupidly overpowered is.
"You just say that cause you don't have one!" No, I say that because I'm not a moron. I -do- have siphon pods, and leech in my own arsenal klink side. And I will acknowledge they are indeed broken as all get out. The difference is, I'm not lying to myself, when I field it about how awesome I am compared to everyone else.
When CPB was broken as all get out, and I ran it on my MVAM? I knew full well and admitted and STILL championed for CPB to be brought into balance. Because frankly, I wasn't having -that- much fun gibbing everyone's shields off and one passing them. Resistances be damned. I also knew that frankly if I could do it, anyone else could.
You bug boys that think you're hot ****? You aren't. If you were, you'd be willing to pilot something that really is on equal footing and do Shuttle Wars like a man. But you don't. Because you get sent straight to the Respawn point by "scrubs" like me.
I am a very proud, and loyal KDF pilot, and to be honest, without the Jem'Hadar Ship theres little choice for a tac to play. So yes, I bought one with all my savings over two years, and I am glad that I did.
The BOP, except perhaps the B'rel, have been eclipsed IMO, and the Gurumba and Raptor's poor maneuverability don't even warrant me looking at them. I do not want to play a ship, in which I have to expend slots etc, for something a ship of that class is supposed to inherently do!
Its nice to finally have a proper escort. In the wake of the Carrier-Esc and the other versatile Fed escorts, is that really so wrong?
I've been playing the B'Rel for over a year now MAV. I grew tired of it. I wanted something different. I was very, very tired of being pwned by Fed premades in their new shiny toys. So yes, if that makes me an idiot, then so be it.
But, I guess folks will only be satisfied, so long as its THEM flying the latest OP ship. God forbid someone else should be allowed to! Didn't see much complaining Fedside, when the new Fed SB ships were announced, esp. the Defiant.
The Fleet Escort is a TRIBBLE Bucket compared to the current Jemhadar ship. Same boff layout (actually arguably worse), far inferior Agility. Same consoles. Lower Agility. Same shields and hull point totals. And soon to have Less tac consoles, and less HP and SP!
The new Fleet Escort, at best is an Equal to the current Bug (still inferior though due to the sheer agility of the Bug).
The New Defiant is a Joke, compared to the New Bug. As the Bug has the FE's and console layout. Actually a Bug can One Up Fleet Escort Durability, thanks to the stupid Uni station. (second engineer anyone?)
The MVAM is a TRIBBLE bucket as well compared to the Bug, but it at least has the saving grace of being able to run a better crowd control and debuff setup more reliably.
Anyone that defends the Bug ship is an idiot, or is lying to themselves. Just like anyone that defends Siphon Pods, and Leech as anything but stupidly overpowered is.
"You just say that cause you don't have one!" No, I say that because I'm not a moron. I -do- have siphon pods, and leech in my own arsenal klink side. And I will acknowledge they are indeed broken as all get out. The difference is, I'm not lying to myself, when I field it about how awesome I am compared to everyone else.
When CPB was broken as all get out, and I ran it on my MVAM? I knew full well and admitted and STILL championed for CPB to be brought into balance. Because frankly, I wasn't having -that- much fun gibbing everyone's shields off and one passing them. Resistances be damned. I also knew that frankly if I could do it, anyone else could.
You bug boys that think you're hot ****? You aren't. If you were, you'd be willing to pilot something that really is on equal footing and do Shuttle Wars like a man. But you don't. Because you get sent straight to the Respawn point by "scrubs" like me.
Ouch that's a lot of hate for the bug right there.
Following that train of thought: Anyone defending the Armitage with its TB/Phaser spamming pets is an idiot too right? Of course it can be beaten, but so can the jemmy.
Perhaps you are right and I shouldn't be here defending it, but then I play 2 other tacs and get just as much enjoyment out of those as I do with my weebugger.
The bug is however hands down no question the best escort in the game. Actually I'd go so far as to say it's even more durable by a healthy margin than a fully built tac cruiser. It can do this, at no cost to it's devastating Escort Offense potential, and defiant level agility.
The Armitage at least is counterable with boff abilities. The innate Hero Status of the Jem's ships boff layout, and turn rate isn't, and frankly it takes a real failcaptain to die in one.
I am a very proud, and loyal KDF pilot, and to be honest, without the Jem'Hadar Ship theres little choice for a tac to play. So yes, I bought one with all my savings over two years, and I am glad that I did.
The BOP, except perhaps the B'rel, have been eclipsed IMO, and the Gurumba and Raptor's poor maneuverability don't even warrant me looking at them. I do not want to play a ship, in which I have to expend slots etc, for something a ship of that class is supposed to inherently do!
Its nice to finally have a proper escort. In the wake of the Carrier-Esc and the other versatile Fed escorts, is that really so wrong?
I've been playing the B'Rel for over a year now MAV. I grew tired of it. I wanted something different. I was very, very tired of being pwned by Fed premades in their new shiny toys. So yes, if that makes me an idiot, then so be it.
But, I guess folks will only be satisfied, so long as its THEM flying the latest OP ship. God forbid someone else should be allowed to! Didn't see much complaining Fedside, when the new Fed SB ships were announced, esp. the Defiant.
KDF getting the shaft repeatedly does not excuse the Bugs ludicrousness. If anything it makes them getting shafted all the more prominent. Especially since they just got Double Penetrated on the Fleet Refit dept. Not only are the KDF ships overall inferior in the Scort and BOP depts to the fed ones.. but the Bug ship is now even -better- (and it's current state is already arguably better than that lulzfest the KDF got on tribble) on tribble. Scratch that, we'll just call it Triple Penetration.
It's not wrong to fly a bug. Anymore than it is wrong to use pay to win consoles. It IS however wrong to say "oh it's balanced you are just mad cause you don't have one!". Because it's such a flat out Lie, that I'm amazed people don't die from the hypocrisy of saying it.
Oh there was complaining. That being said the old VA Refit ships? Really aren't OP. The Defiant was easily manageable through proper crowd control and it's utterly wasteful boff slots, the Intrepid, counterable by -several- abilities, not the least among them the at the time ever popular PSW which you should have already carried to knock extends off of feds.
The Galaxy R? Joke Ship, start to finish End of story there.
I wasn't pleased when I could literally faceroll over other ships just by pressing the magical CPB2 button with an aux battery followed up by my CRF and HY2. I wasn't pleased when CSV3 was capable of One Passing Entire Teams. I wasn't pleased when I could quite literally had I been **** Enough, upped my hull resistance so high that the current Ablative armor would be green with envy.
But you all need to remember that there will be OTHER escorts coming out besides the new Defiant, like the Gladius/Saber, another Akira for T5 etc - It's not "Defiant or BUG" y'know.
And even if it was, try cruisers.
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It IS however wrong to say "oh it's balanced you are just mad cause you don't have one!". Because it's such a flat out Lie, that I'm amazed people don't die from the hypocrisy of saying it.
I'm provoked beyond tolerance by people saying this. My emotions range between rage, facepalm, and embarassment on someone elses behalf, when seeing this argument.
But you all need to remember that there will be OTHER escorts coming out besides the new Defiant, like the Gladius/Saber, another Akira for T5 etc - It's not "Defiant or BUG" y'know.
And even if it was, try cruisers.
Obvious Troll is obvious, right?
Just in case you're not trolling, but simply are clueless:
The Armitage has been pulled up as an example of a ship that is weaker than the bug, simply because it's the strongest of the other escorts. Upcoming fleet variants included. The issue we have, is that ALL the coming escorts strive to reach the potential of the CURRENT Jem'h ship, but then the Jem'h will also get a boost, and retain it's status as the one ship that makes flying all other escorts pointless.
I'm in doubt if I should dignify your silly comment about cruisers with a reply... let's just say if you're trying to do an escorts job in a cruiser, you have failed before you started.
OK ILL ADMIT THE BUG IS ALITTLE OP, BUT THE NEW DIFIANT WILL BE JUST AS DECENT.
The only thing in this thread that tickes me off is how stupid people can get.
bug opens a pack has a small chance to get, yet someone says they pay more for c-store ships???
tbh thats a crock my buddy bought 300$ worth of packs and didnt get a bug.
now on to the op thing, yes bug got upgraded but fleet ships are being nice as well, this is a game that if u got money you can make a decent amount of EC. 250 in about 2 months for me. so u cuys should beable to grind if u want it.
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What I am rather annoyed by is how the Feds were ALL HAPPY before the news broke, and were literally dancing in the streets over the Escort-Carrier & the SB Defiant & other SB ships, but when the Jemmy gets a buff, it's suddenly a HUGE problem. Bit of a double standard if you ask me.
They already thought that one out. They created the escort-carrier that spawns waves of phaser firing pets, and guess what? It is loaded with a torpedo point defence, so its probably more than just 4.
I m happy that i got a little upgrade for my 260 euro i spend to get 1 (yea im stupid/crazy that i spend that amount) but hell yea i can use my jem hadar now for coming endcontent!
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If by competitive you mean ridiculously OP, sure. That Jem'hadar ship puts all the fleet escorts on both sides to shame, and it will be a day 1 release. (whereas the other comparable ship, the Defiant, won't be hitting the game for months)
*perks up* Orly? *Runs to his BUG and straddles it in ecstasy*
Ooooohh! You mean my already questionably OP ship is now MOAR OP? *Tweeks nipple*
*Bites lip and walks like an ostrich to his "private quarters"* I get the buffed goodness before the other mainstream ships that are equal to it?? Eeeek!
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How about you try the fleet escorts out before writing them off as inferior to the bug. Currently there are quite a few good escort builds with good pilots that can take down jemmys.
Sounds to me like some people aren't willing to adapt.
what part of 5 TACTICAL CONSOLES don't you understand?
Not to mention something like an extra 2k hull and 2.5k shields.
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I understand the Defiant will have 5 also
Your point?
The Fleet Escort is a TRIBBLE Bucket compared to the current Jemhadar ship. Same boff layout (actually arguably worse), far inferior Agility. Same consoles. Lower Agility. Same shields and hull point totals. And soon to have Less tac consoles, and less HP and SP!
The new Fleet Escort, at best is an Equal to the current Bug (still inferior though due to the sheer agility of the Bug).
The New Defiant is a Joke, compared to the New Bug. As the Bug has the FE's and console layout. Actually a Bug can One Up Fleet Escort Durability, thanks to the stupid Uni station. (second engineer anyone?)
The MVAM is a TRIBBLE bucket as well compared to the Bug, but it at least has the saving grace of being able to run a better crowd control and debuff setup more reliably.
Anyone that defends the Bug ship is an idiot, or is lying to themselves. Just like anyone that defends Siphon Pods, and Leech as anything but stupidly overpowered is.
"You just say that cause you don't have one!" No, I say that because I'm not a moron. I -do- have siphon pods, and leech in my own arsenal klink side. And I will acknowledge they are indeed broken as all get out. The difference is, I'm not lying to myself, when I field it about how awesome I am compared to everyone else.
When CPB was broken as all get out, and I ran it on my MVAM? I knew full well and admitted and STILL championed for CPB to be brought into balance. Because frankly, I wasn't having -that- much fun gibbing everyone's shields off and one passing them. Resistances be damned. I also knew that frankly if I could do it, anyone else could.
You bug boys that think you're hot ****? You aren't. If you were, you'd be willing to pilot something that really is on equal footing and do Shuttle Wars like a man. But you don't. Because you get sent straight to the Respawn point by "scrubs" like me.
ya and thats terrible as well. but do you seriously not understand the impact of the bugs station setup, and movement stats?
the old bug could fly circles around every other escort, including the vaunted defiant, and out tank them easily. you could run 2 RSPs on the damn thing if you want. it was already by far the most dangerous ship in the hands of a skilled player, and now with 5 tactical consoles it will deal more damage then any ship ever has since befor season 2. AND out tank any other escort, AND fly circles around everything.
in game, there isn't 1 singular thing that is better then any other option, it usually depends on the situation your in, except in this case. the bug ship is plainly and in every way beter then everything else. and then they buffed it, HARD
Pull your head out of whereever you hide it. Sure, the fleet escort has strenghts, but it's nowhere near the killer the Bug ship is.
Yeah, a TRIBBLE ship with 5 tac consoles is just as good as a great ship with 5 tac consoles. That's your point?
To be quite frank the Fleet Escorts look awful. The only two worth anything are the +1 Defiant and the "Patrol Escort", which, while having competitive stats everywhere else, has a turn rate somewhere between a vat of pudding and the movement of tectonic plates. Hell, some of them don't even have the same total number of consoles.
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I am a very proud, and loyal KDF pilot, and to be honest, without the Jem'Hadar Ship theres little choice for a tac to play. So yes, I bought one with all my savings over two years, and I am glad that I did.
The BOP, except perhaps the B'rel, have been eclipsed IMO, and the Gurumba and Raptor's poor maneuverability don't even warrant me looking at them. I do not want to play a ship, in which I have to expend slots etc, for something a ship of that class is supposed to inherently do!
Its nice to finally have a proper escort. In the wake of the Carrier-Esc and the other versatile Fed escorts, is that really so wrong?
I've been playing the B'Rel for over a year now MAV. I grew tired of it. I wanted something different. I was very, very tired of being pwned by Fed premades in their new shiny toys. So yes, if that makes me an idiot, then so be it.
But, I guess folks will only be satisfied, so long as its THEM flying the latest OP ship. God forbid someone else should be allowed to! Didn't see much complaining Fedside, when the new Fed SB ships were announced, esp. the Defiant.
Ouch that's a lot of hate for the bug right there.
Following that train of thought: Anyone defending the Armitage with its TB/Phaser spamming pets is an idiot too right? Of course it can be beaten, but so can the jemmy.
Perhaps you are right and I shouldn't be here defending it, but then I play 2 other tacs and get just as much enjoyment out of those as I do with my weebugger.
The bug is however hands down no question the best escort in the game. Actually I'd go so far as to say it's even more durable by a healthy margin than a fully built tac cruiser. It can do this, at no cost to it's devastating Escort Offense potential, and defiant level agility.
The Armitage at least is counterable with boff abilities. The innate Hero Status of the Jem's ships boff layout, and turn rate isn't, and frankly it takes a real failcaptain to die in one.
KDF getting the shaft repeatedly does not excuse the Bugs ludicrousness. If anything it makes them getting shafted all the more prominent. Especially since they just got Double Penetrated on the Fleet Refit dept. Not only are the KDF ships overall inferior in the Scort and BOP depts to the fed ones.. but the Bug ship is now even -better- (and it's current state is already arguably better than that lulzfest the KDF got on tribble) on tribble. Scratch that, we'll just call it Triple Penetration.
It's not wrong to fly a bug. Anymore than it is wrong to use pay to win consoles. It IS however wrong to say "oh it's balanced you are just mad cause you don't have one!". Because it's such a flat out Lie, that I'm amazed people don't die from the hypocrisy of saying it.
Oh there was complaining. That being said the old VA Refit ships? Really aren't OP. The Defiant was easily manageable through proper crowd control and it's utterly wasteful boff slots, the Intrepid, counterable by -several- abilities, not the least among them the at the time ever popular PSW which you should have already carried to knock extends off of feds.
The Galaxy R? Joke Ship, start to finish End of story there.
I wasn't pleased when I could literally faceroll over other ships just by pressing the magical CPB2 button with an aux battery followed up by my CRF and HY2. I wasn't pleased when CSV3 was capable of One Passing Entire Teams. I wasn't pleased when I could quite literally had I been **** Enough, upped my hull resistance so high that the current Ablative armor would be green with envy.
But you all need to remember that there will be OTHER escorts coming out besides the new Defiant, like the Gladius/Saber, another Akira for T5 etc - It's not "Defiant or BUG" y'know.
And even if it was, try cruisers.
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I'm provoked beyond tolerance by people saying this. My emotions range between rage, facepalm, and embarassment on someone elses behalf, when seeing this argument.
Obvious Troll is obvious, right?
Just in case you're not trolling, but simply are clueless:
The Armitage has been pulled up as an example of a ship that is weaker than the bug, simply because it's the strongest of the other escorts. Upcoming fleet variants included. The issue we have, is that ALL the coming escorts strive to reach the potential of the CURRENT Jem'h ship, but then the Jem'h will also get a boost, and retain it's status as the one ship that makes flying all other escorts pointless.
I'm in doubt if I should dignify your silly comment about cruisers with a reply... let's just say if you're trying to do an escorts job in a cruiser, you have failed before you started.
Are you really this incompetent or are you just trolling people?
The only thing in this thread that tickes me off is how stupid people can get.
bug opens a pack has a small chance to get, yet someone says they pay more for c-store ships???
tbh thats a crock my buddy bought 300$ worth of packs and didnt get a bug.
now on to the op thing, yes bug got upgraded but fleet ships are being nice as well, this is a game that if u got money you can make a decent amount of EC. 250 in about 2 months for me. so u cuys should beable to grind if u want it.
this is my post have a nice day.
-Spells
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