OK ILL ADMIT THE BUG IS ALITTLE OP, BUT THE NEW DIFIANT WILL BE JUST AS DECENT.
The only thing in this thread that tickes me off is how stupid people can get.
bug opens a pack has a small chance to get, yet someone says they pay more for c-store ships???
tbh thats a crock my buddy bought 300$ worth of packs and didnt get a bug.
now on to the op thing, yes bug got upgraded but fleet ships are being nice as well, this is a game that if u got money you can make a decent amount of EC. 250 in about 2 months for me. so u cuys should beable to grind if u want it.
this is my post have a nice day.
-Spells
Do stop trolling will you defiant isnt even comparable against jem now. Seeing how you fail to see the basic of the post or you just dont care to read it ,buffed bug is seasone 7 not 6 ship, check the stats on all escorts then talk.
You people keep crying about the same old thing when you darn well know pvp balance will NEVER ever in any way get any better. It is virtually impossible to do so. Instead of whining about it hoping it will one day get better I have a better solution. QUIT THE DAMN GAME. If you don't want to take it that far use your free dilithium (c store) points to run some cheese builds of your own.
The days of good clean honest built pew pew are long gone so best option is every fleet and man for himself. Run your weak TRIBBLE bull**** build only because you know the other guy and or fleet will be running it. Don't feel bad about doing so as well. Everyone knows in this game who the true pvp pilots are so take comfort in that if you have done so.
Of course some of the great pilots can own in a fleet escort. Now should those same pilots fly that same fleet escort when the jem ship is theirs? The answer is no. Why you ask? Cause sadly that is the position this pilot has been put in. Said pilot should not be getting stomped in his fleet escort when 2 years ago he was doing the stomping.
not trolling but since we are being rude, lets not forget that the difiant isgetting buffed with a fleet ship and some people paid alot for thier bugs, not that u guys who spend a set amount care about but 20$ doesnt = a 350 mill EC ship.
also i have a bug and I have lifetime and I spend way more on this game then u can ever hope to. point is stop crying or put out the money, or go back to another MMO maybe if you cant be happy and just play????
SEE I CAN BE DISRESPECTFUL TOO. be nice and you will get treated the same
-Spells
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not trolling but since we are being rude, lets not forget that the difiant isgetting buffed with a fleet ship and some people paid alot for thier bugs, not that u guys who spend a set amount care about but 20$ doesnt = a 350 mill EC ship.
also i have a bug and I have lifetime and I spend way more on this game then u can ever hope to. point is stop crying or put out the money, or go back to another MMO maybe if you cant be happy and just play????
SEE I CAN BE DISRESPECTFUL TOO. be nice and you will get treated the same
-Spells
Well there you have it. He spends more than anyone else and that is all the justification in the world for this buff.
The good thing is MOST of you excited about this change will never do more than sweat it out in PvE without realizing the Jem's potential.
Still there are top end PvPers who have these Bugs and when they bring them out to play that whole, "Defiant now has five tac consoles." will fly right out the window as the Jem's turn rate and the average four month delay while fleets grind up enough Fleet Marks to get to their "great PvP equalizer" AKA the Defiant comes into play.
Way I see it IF players like MT and Minimax have Bugs they should start to show why this was a mistake, in all but sanctioned play, as soon as possible. Like the moment they finish updating Holodeck to S6.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
You people keep crying about the same old thing when you darn well know pvp balance will NEVER ever in any way get any better. It is virtually impossible to do so.
BULL$HIT. they are choosing to do things that are the opposite of balancing, they could just as easily choose to do things that promote balance
The bug is however hands down no question the best escort in the game. Actually I'd go so far as to say it's even more durable by a healthy margin than a fully built tac cruiser. It can do this, at no cost to it's devastating Escort Offense potential, and BoP level agility.
Fixed. If it was only Defiant level it would be manageable.
also i have a bug and I have lifetime and I spend way more on this game then u can ever hope to. point is stop crying or put out the money, or go back to another MMO maybe if you cant be happy and just play????
BULL$HIT. they are choosing to do things that are the opposite of balancing, they could just as easily choose to do things that promote balance
totally agree, We're sorry guys systems is to busy with S6, so balance passes are on hold until further notice, but they do have time to ensure the lockbox ships are even more ahead of the pack
Not those who fly it. Just those who claim it's not a broken piece of TRIBBLE.
I'm provoked beyond tolerance by people saying this. My emotions range between rage, facepalm, and embarassment on someone elses behalf, when seeing this argument.
Obvious Troll is obvious, right?
Just in case you're not trolling, but simply are clueless:
The Armitage has been pulled up as an example of a ship that is weaker than the bug, simply because it's the strongest of the other escorts. Upcoming fleet variants included. The issue we have, is that ALL the coming escorts strive to reach the potential of the CURRENT Jem'h ship, but then the Jem'h will also get a boost, and retain it's status as the one ship that makes flying all other escorts pointless.
I'm in doubt if I should dignify your silly comment about cruisers with a reply... let's just say if you're trying to do an escorts job in a cruiser, you have failed before you started.
The game was already unballanced long before this happened, are you saying you dont own any of the three box ships and wont take some sort of advantage? If not then good for you. I on the other hand buy my BUG fair and square for a cool 150mill, and the only problem I have with that is it was 6 months later then when i wanted it. I don't like being called "clueless" by a man so butthurt about game balance but is clearly unaware of how much nobody gives a **** anymore. The balance is gone, the mechanics are broken, so stop whining like a ***** and get used to it.
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The game was already unballanced long before this happened, are you saying you dont own any of the three box ships and wont take some sort of advantage? If not then good for you. I on the other hand buy my BUG fair and square for a cool 150mill, and the only problem I have with that is it was 6 months later then when i wanted it. I don't like being called "clueless" by a man so butthurt about game balance but is clearly unaware of how much nobody gives a **** anymore. The balance is gone, the mechanics are broken, so whining like a ***** and get used to it.
meh... only someone living completely in a bubble could serve something as ridiculous as this...
Your argument is "it's bad, so we may just as well make it worse"?
If any amount of reason was to surface, it should be "it's bad, so we need to make it better"!
If you break a finger, do you go jump of the rooftop, thinking "well. i'm already broken, so why not?"
And "noone cares"??? What gives you this idea? The multiple threads and posts? The angry shouting? The people calling each other names? yeah... all typical behaviour of people who don't care... :P
As for posession of lockbox ships: I have a D'kora on a doffing toon, that I have taken into pvp for fun 2 or 3 times, just to test it. It's TRIBBLE, like all cruisers. 90%+ of my time, I fly BoP , RSV or Defiant.
EDIT: as for other types of taking advantage. I do not use AMS or Acetone or that cover shield console, as I feel those are mostly griefy. I also have a Bortesqu tactical c-store ship, that I sometimes use, and that I feel a little uneasy about inflicting on others. But I figure it's not really overpowered compared to the Jemz or even the carrier-escort.
meh... only someone living completely in a bubble could serve something as ridiculous as this...
Your argument is "it's bad, so we may just as well make it worse"?
If any amount of reason was to surface, it should be "it's bad, so we need to make it better"!
If you break a finger, do you go jump of the rooftop, thinking "well. i'm already broken, so why not?"
And "noone cares"??? What gives you this idea? The multiple threads and posts? The angry shouting? The people calling each other names? yeah... all typical behaviour of people who don't care... :P
As for posession of lockbox ships: I have a D'kora on a doffing toon, that I have taken into pvp for fun 2 or 3 times, just to test it. It's TRIBBLE, like all cruisers. 90%+ of my time, I fly BoP , RSV or Defiant.
EDIT: as for other types of taking advantage. I do not use AMS or Acetone or that cover shield console, as I feel those are mostly griefy. I also have a Bortesqu tactical c-store ship, that I sometimes use, and that I feel a little uneasy about inflicting on others. But I figure it's not really overpowered compared to the Jemz or even the carrier-escort.
Good God Y'all, you need more important things in life to worry about, clearly. Things are unbalanced and the PVP forums have shouted it out for as long as i've read them. Very little is done. STO doesen't need PVP in order to make money and if Cryptic saw a lucrative way of getting income from PVP then they'd have supported it. Recently the only response i'm aware of concerning balance was the tractor nerf on the pets to make them slightly less aweful. But that was quickly undone with the HES appearing. The call out for balance goes unheard by ears that dont need this community to exist in their game, and have no reason to invest time in PVP. It's sad but it's true.
But as you seem to be taking this all so personally, go and find something worth your moaning lol. I have a BUG, and I like using it. I'm not a very good PVPer when you match me against TSI and Pandas, but I get my share of kills and damage, I have a good laugh then I leave. I'm not claiming the BUG was balanced before this and i'm not going to start now. I know a good Defiant flyer can kick my TRIBBLE. But one day i'll work out enough of the game to beat him. Thats PVP. Just smile.
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Let's take a bad situation (PVP) and make it worse. Wonderful concept Cryptic. Wonder how your decision tree came down to that, because I bet it looks funny.
Uhm... the bug is very OP now, compared to the defiant, and somehow giving both these ships one extra tac console will make them equal?
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Since you have edited most of my post to fit your agenda here is is again. Sorry if the cold hard truth hurts if these changes are causing that many issues for you then yes quit the damn game. Last time I checked there are and were many other mmo's with pvp out there. While I do agree might not be as in depth as our pvp you still have choices.
It's simple enjoy sto's unbalanced great pvp or play another mmo's ****ty more balanced pvp. No I am not trolling I am speaking the truth that most of you kids can't and won't accept. Get with the program or gtfo.
You people keep crying about the same old thing when you darn well know pvp balance will NEVER ever in any way get any better. It is virtually impossible to do so. Instead of whining about it hoping it will one day get better I have a better solution. QUIT THE DAMN GAME. If you don't want to take it that far use your free dilithium (c store) points to run some cheese builds of your own.
The days of good clean honest built pew pew are long gone so best option is every fleet and man for himself. Run your weak TRIBBLE bull**** build only because you know the other guy and or fleet will be running it. Don't feel bad about doing so as well. Everyone knows in this game who the true pvp pilots are so take comfort in that if you have done so.
Of course some of the great pilots can own in a fleet escort. Now should those same pilots fly that same fleet escort when the jem ship is theirs? The answer is no. Why you ask? Cause sadly that is the position this pilot has been put in. Said pilot should not be getting stomped in his fleet escort when 2 years ago he was doing the stomping.
Let's take a bad situation (PVP) and make it worse. Wonderful concept Cryptic. Wonder how your decision tree came down to that, because I bet it looks funny.
Again as covered many times before you assume these decisions being made are done so with pvp in mind. I am way passed the point in the hopes of getting balanced pvp. So what do I do I run the best possible cheese skilless build I can think of? Do I need to do so? 2 years ago the answer was no. In today's game yes I do. Why? Cause every tom, ****, and harry is running cheese too. I mean of course I can beat a VA newb running cheese in a tier 4 escort who can't? But the game has evolved in such a way to where rolling the q's means having some form of unbalanced TRIBBLE on your ship.
And I don't need any of the premade fleets coming at me saying we don't use any cheese on our ships. Of course you wouldn't rolling with a 5 man premade so don't even try to play that card before you play it. I know pvp more then well enough to know these truths. Accept what bs TRIBBLE is in game for life or gtfo. Sucks to have to say that because I used to be the biggest anti-p2w advocate around. But start taking deaths from players you used to rofl stomp and you will change your tune.
for as 'rare' this ship is, im glad it has a nice boost!
Yep already have 4 mk 11 purple and I am logging in to get the fifth now to stash in my bank till the awesome day I log in and can fit in on. Now where is my bug's hangar bay lol. JK
Again as covered many times before you assume these decisions being made are done so with pvp in mind. I am way passed the point in the hopes of getting balanced pvp. So what do I do I run the best possible cheese skilless build I can think of? Do I need to do so? 2 years ago the answer was no. In today's game yes I do. Why? Cause every tom, ****, and harry is running cheese too. I mean of course I can beat a VA newb running cheese in a tier 4 escort who can't? But the game has evolved in such a way to where rolling the q's means having some form of unbalanced TRIBBLE on your ship.
And I don't need any of the premade fleets coming at me saying we don't use any cheese on our ships. Of course you wouldn't rolling with a 5 man premade so don't even try to play that card before you play it. I know pvp more then well enough to know these truths. Accept what bs TRIBBLE is in game for life or gtfo. Sucks to have to say that because I used to be the biggest anti-p2w advocate around. But start taking deaths from players you used to rofl stomp and you will change your tune.
agreed.
Just like KDF, "they" (Cryptic / PWE ) don't care much for PVP.
Stick to Fed side PVE and you will be happy campers. The masters will take care of you there lol
IS it true that Cryptic studios is coming out with a Mk 13 & Mk 14 set soon?
I have heard this through the grapevine and just wanted to make sure it was not a lie.
Just like KDF, "they" (Cryptic / PWE ) don't care much for PVP.
Stick to Fed side PVE and you will be happy campers. The masters will take care of you there lol
Oh don't get me wrong regardless of all the cheese out there now it's not gonna steer me away from pvp. This game is only good for pve content 1 or 2 times through. After that I only level with pve content when pvp q's don't pop. Even so I find myself spending lots of time leveling in kerrat or Otha depending on the respective toons.
IS it true that Cryptic studios is coming out with a Mk 13 & Mk 14 set soon?
I have heard this through the grapevine and just wanted to make sure it was not a lie.
Creating mk 13 and mk 14 gear would require increasing the level cap and thus tier 6 pvp. Can you imagine mk 14 purple gear in va/lg pvp to players that don't have it. HAHA
Edit well maybe not so much there is a spot for va level gear on exchange so I guess mk 13 and 14 would be va.
Unless they did va 50 through 54 and full admiral 55 to 59 with fleet admiral being 70
I guess that would mean lots more skill points to spend across the tree too.
Also this would be a good chance for them to add map 2 with playable gamma and delta quadrant sectors and races to play.
Since you have edited most of my post to fit your agenda here is is again. Sorry if the cold hard truth hurts if these changes are causing that many issues for you then yes quit the damn game. Last time I checked there are and were many other mmo's with pvp out there. While I do agree might not be as in depth as our pvp you still have choices.
It's simple enjoy sto's unbalanced great pvp or play another mmo's ****ty more balanced pvp. No I am not trolling I am speaking the truth that most of you kids can't and won't accept. Get with the program or gtfo.
You people keep crying about the same old thing when you darn well know pvp balance will NEVER ever in any way get any better. It is virtually impossible to do so. Instead of whining about it hoping it will one day get better I have a better solution. QUIT THE DAMN GAME. If you don't want to take it that far use your free dilithium (c store) points to run some cheese builds of your own.
The days of good clean honest built pew pew are long gone so best option is every fleet and man for himself.
Why someone chooses to stay with STO, is not your damn business. Telling people to quit or "gtfo" is not in any way constructive, and is down right trolling! I'm not leaving STO. Why? None of your business.
It IS however possiblle to try to make the game better. Issues have been brought to devs attention and fixed before. True, it doesn't happen often enough, but still. Notice how I'm not crying about "the same old thing", because the old thing was fixed. Now we're crying about one of the new things.
"PVP balance will never get better"?? I know this? Actually, I have information to the contrary. Devs have said pvp will get attention, first content, then balance. OK, I don't trust it till I see it, but I DO believe they want to try. PWE is very PVP-happy, and there is balanced pvp in other games. There is NO reason why STO pvp can't improve.
"Days of good clean honest pew-pew"?? I must have been asleep that day... From launch, sci was iwin. Then nerfed, and after that, it's been one exploit following the next.
On a sidenote: Funny about you calling me a kid... haven't heard that one in many years...
Good God Y'all, you need more important things in life to worry about, clearly. Things are unbalanced and the PVP forums have shouted it out for as long as i've read them. Very little is done. STO doesen't need PVP in order to make money and if Cryptic saw a lucrative way of getting income from PVP then they'd have supported it. Recently the only response i'm aware of concerning balance was the tractor nerf on the pets to make them slightly less aweful. But that was quickly undone with the HES appearing. The call out for balance goes unheard by ears that dont need this community to exist in their game, and have no reason to invest time in PVP. It's sad but it's true.
So, now I'm taking heat for debating that the bug ship is OP in a thread named "Did u think that the jem'hadar was OP?"... I'm aware of there being other issues out there that are more important. Global warming, terrorists, etc. However, I got the feeling this thread was not about these things, so I chose to stay on topic. YOU, on the other hand, who think it's worth your time to go into a thread and try to dissuade people from discussing the topic, should find something else to worry about.
Yes, PvP is a small part of STO. It's not the focus of the devs. They do not actively try to find what's wrong with it. That's MORE reason to shout loud, if we want things fixed. It is a proven strategy, that has lead to fixes and adjustments many times before.
So, now I'm taking heat for debating that the bug ship is OP in a thread named "Did u think that the jem'hadar was OP?"... I'm aware of there being other issues out there that are more important. Global warming, terrorists, etc. However, I got the feeling this thread was not about these things, so I chose to stay on topic.
Yes, PvP is a small part of STO. It's not the focus of the devs. They do not actively try to find what's wrong with it. That's MORE reason to shout loud, if we want things fixed. It is a proven strategy, that has lead to fixes and adjustments many times before.
It's also proven that all it needs for us to get dev posts is calling them horrible names. They'll post to that, but not into Math related feedback threads. hm.
Yes there are bigger things to worry about. For example my job.
My shiny new T304 Stainless headers that I'm waiting on the seller to respond to my best offer with.
(seriously, why buy a Sports Car if it isn't capable of sounding like it's getting ready to destroy the world through sheer hp. Dumbass engineers!)
That being said, we -do- have the ability to give feedback. Even negative feedback. Just because it would hurt some people's feelings to have their Super Cruiser Nerfed, doesn't mean we shouldn't complain about something that you can get in five minutes or less, being more powerful than something else you can get in five minutes or less, let alone something that is allegedly going to take months of grinding to get.
It's also proven that all it needs for us to get dev posts is calling them horrible names. They'll post to that, but not into Math related feedback threads. hm.
Yes there are bigger things to worry about. For example my job.
My shiny new T304 Stainless headers that I'm waiting on the seller to respond to my best offer with.
(seriously, why buy a Sports Car if it isn't capable of sounding like it's getting ready to destroy the world through sheer hp. Dumbass engineers!)
That being said, we -do- have the ability to give feedback. Even negative feedback. Just because it would hurt some people's feelings to have their Super Cruiser Nerfed, doesn't mean we shouldn't complain about something that you can get in five minutes or less, being more powerful than something else you can get in five minutes or less, let alone something that is allegedly going to take months of grinding to get.
Indeed.. would you rather have a car with bad breaks and continue to complain about them, or would you prefer to just have a mechanic look at it and replace the breaks?
Kinda same thing here in away.. Although we have really lazy mechanics and some times it takes a wrench to the head as well as a few well placed words to cause them to get off their fat, lazy butts and do something about it. :rolleyes:
You think that your beta test was bad?
Think about this: American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Indeed.. would you rather have a car with bad breaks and continue to complain about them, or would you prefer to just have a mechanic look at it and replace the breaks?
Kinda same thing here in away.. Although we have really lazy mechanics and some times it takes a wrench to the head as well as a few well placed words to cause them to get off their fat, lazy butts and do something about it. :rolleyes:
If I could hack into the servers, and change the code to more balanced figures I would have done this by now, personally.
(and yes, I can safely say I know more about the game's dynamics than those morons)
To continue the car mechanic analogy, this is the point where I'd have gone back to the service floor, and made their so called "master mechanics" look like the drunken fat lazy slobs that they were.
-just being in the damn ship draws so much aggro it almost needs to be a little OP to survive.
-you can tell a bad bug pilot after firing at him for 5 seconds, after that you can ignore them...or kill them like you would any other bad pilot
-i find i like the mvae better all around personally. (and its a damn purty ship, not a bug)
-giving it 5 tac consoles is not the best idea. but its also not that bad.
-a turnrate boost is coming to the ae and mvae right? and hull too i think?
eh, idunno.
Unfortunately the boost on tribble is more like the removal of the nerf they inadvertantly gave it when they gimped the Field Generator.
It also doesn't solve the 60 degree Turn Rate, vs 30. (50 if you want to hack off a good portion of your shields and hp in the process) nor does it solve the superior boff layout.
I was there for your fight with MT. I've also been on, and spectated ALOT of dogfights over the last few weeks. MVAM, vs Bug, Def vs Bug, FE, vs Bug. And in all cases, the pilots themselves were equally skilled. However the Bug won each and every single time. In some cases, the pilot of the lesser ship was out and out superior and flew rings around the bug pilots, however the bug's sheer durability allowed the pilot to crutch his way to victory. Now before some smart alec tries to go "but duels don't indicate balance!" for most Escorts actually they do. Save for the MVAM which is in it's best a crowd control DPS ship, every other Escort, relies on doing two things extremely well. Damage and Agility. That's how escorts earn their keep on a team, and frankly the bug does it in spades, while tanking better than all of them.
The MVAM is not a better ship, sadly. It's not even in the same league. The best you can hope for with an MVAM is to "equal" (with quotes for a reason.. TSS3 and 2s GCDs are too long) a bug's tankyness. However the Bug still has superior firepower (due to a superior boff layout), and agility.
It's not like it's just a little OP. It's tremendously OP. We're talking about a bop, that was stupidly given Escort HP and SP. The BOP which uni stations were deemed so potent that the ship had to lose durability to balance it out again, only the said bop was given full console loadouts as well as a 5th boff.
It doesn't just hit the status of overpowered, it exists quite simply on a totally different level than the other escorts.
And it's not just a 5th tac console. They are giving it superior SP and HP modifiers to EVERY escort in the game as well. They are giving it Steroids, when what it needs is a Holocaust style diet program.
Unfortunately the boost on tribble is more like the removal of the nerf they inadvertantly gave it when they gimped the Field Generator.
It also doesn't solve the 60 degree Turn Rate, vs 30. (50 if you want to hack off a good portion of your shields and hp in the process) nor does it solve the superior boff layout.
I was there for your fight with MT. I've also been on, and spectated ALOT of dogfights over the last few weeks. MVAM, vs Bug, Def vs Bug, FE, vs Bug. And in all cases, the pilots themselves were equally skilled. However the Bug won each and every single time. In some cases, the pilot of the lesser ship was out and out superior and flew rings around the bug pilots, however the bug's sheer durability allowed the pilot to crutch his way to victory.
The MVAM is not a better ship, sadly. It's not even in the same league. The best you can hope for with an MVAM is to "equal" (with quotes for a reason.. TSS3 and 2s GCDs are too long) a bug's tankyness. However the Bug still has superior firepower (due to a superior boff layout), and agility.
It's not like it's just a little OP. It's tremendously OP. We're talking about a bop, that was stupidly given Escort HP and SP. The BOP which uni stations were deemed so potent that the ship had to lose durability to balance it out again, only the said bop was given full console loadouts as well as a 5th boff.
It doesn't just hit the status of overpowered, it exists quite simply on a totally different level than the other escorts.
And it's not just a 5th tac console. They are giving it superior SP and HP modifiers to EVERY escort in the game as well. They are giving it Steroids, when what it needs is a Holocaust style diet program.
ah.
ya know, ive had many different bug layouts. none of them feel rite. must just be me.
of course i will fly a ship because i like the way it looks, so. thats how i think sometimes.
people make me want to not fly the bug ship. and i swear, i catch so much aggro. and all i do is hate on some oddys.
now thats one OP ship.
wish i liked flying cruisers.
so....back to my fleet escort. so i dont catch the hate.
lol maybe this is just cryptics way of killing pvp since they are so intent on doing so, I figure either A. everyone will wait to get their fleet ships before venturing back into pvp, or B. only people that are going to be doing pvp from this point on will only be in bug ships, so we finally have pvp balance yay!
im still on the fence if i even want to go up against these new and improved monsters in my BoP. that is all
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Do stop trolling will you defiant isnt even comparable against jem now. Seeing how you fail to see the basic of the post or you just dont care to read it ,buffed bug is seasone 7 not 6 ship, check the stats on all escorts then talk.
The days of good clean honest built pew pew are long gone so best option is every fleet and man for himself. Run your weak TRIBBLE bull**** build only because you know the other guy and or fleet will be running it. Don't feel bad about doing so as well. Everyone knows in this game who the true pvp pilots are so take comfort in that if you have done so.
Of course some of the great pilots can own in a fleet escort. Now should those same pilots fly that same fleet escort when the jem ship is theirs? The answer is no. Why you ask? Cause sadly that is the position this pilot has been put in. Said pilot should not be getting stomped in his fleet escort when 2 years ago he was doing the stomping.
also i have a bug and I have lifetime and I spend way more on this game then u can ever hope to. point is stop crying or put out the money, or go back to another MMO maybe if you cant be happy and just play????
SEE I CAN BE DISRESPECTFUL TOO. be nice and you will get treated the same
-Spells
| Dues Ex Mechina |
Fleet Leader
Well there you have it. He spends more than anyone else and that is all the justification in the world for this buff.
The good thing is MOST of you excited about this change will never do more than sweat it out in PvE without realizing the Jem's potential.
Still there are top end PvPers who have these Bugs and when they bring them out to play that whole, "Defiant now has five tac consoles." will fly right out the window as the Jem's turn rate and the average four month delay while fleets grind up enough Fleet Marks to get to their "great PvP equalizer" AKA the Defiant comes into play.
Way I see it IF players like MT and Minimax have Bugs they should start to show why this was a mistake, in all but sanctioned play, as soon as possible. Like the moment they finish updating Holodeck to S6.
BULL$HIT. they are choosing to do things that are the opposite of balancing, they could just as easily choose to do things that promote balance
Fixed. If it was only Defiant level it would be manageable.
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totally agree, We're sorry guys systems is to busy with S6, so balance passes are on hold until further notice, but they do have time to ensure the lockbox ships are even more ahead of the pack
a history of sto pvp: 2010 - 2011
a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013
The game was already unballanced long before this happened, are you saying you dont own any of the three box ships and wont take some sort of advantage? If not then good for you. I on the other hand buy my BUG fair and square for a cool 150mill, and the only problem I have with that is it was 6 months later then when i wanted it. I don't like being called "clueless" by a man so butthurt about game balance but is clearly unaware of how much nobody gives a **** anymore. The balance is gone, the mechanics are broken, so stop whining like a ***** and get used to it.
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
meh... only someone living completely in a bubble could serve something as ridiculous as this...
Your argument is "it's bad, so we may just as well make it worse"?
If any amount of reason was to surface, it should be "it's bad, so we need to make it better"!
If you break a finger, do you go jump of the rooftop, thinking "well. i'm already broken, so why not?"
And "noone cares"??? What gives you this idea? The multiple threads and posts? The angry shouting? The people calling each other names? yeah... all typical behaviour of people who don't care... :P
As for posession of lockbox ships: I have a D'kora on a doffing toon, that I have taken into pvp for fun 2 or 3 times, just to test it. It's TRIBBLE, like all cruisers. 90%+ of my time, I fly BoP , RSV or Defiant.
EDIT: as for other types of taking advantage. I do not use AMS or Acetone or that cover shield console, as I feel those are mostly griefy. I also have a Bortesqu tactical c-store ship, that I sometimes use, and that I feel a little uneasy about inflicting on others. But I figure it's not really overpowered compared to the Jemz or even the carrier-escort.
Good God Y'all, you need more important things in life to worry about, clearly. Things are unbalanced and the PVP forums have shouted it out for as long as i've read them. Very little is done. STO doesen't need PVP in order to make money and if Cryptic saw a lucrative way of getting income from PVP then they'd have supported it. Recently the only response i'm aware of concerning balance was the tractor nerf on the pets to make them slightly less aweful. But that was quickly undone with the HES appearing. The call out for balance goes unheard by ears that dont need this community to exist in their game, and have no reason to invest time in PVP. It's sad but it's true.
But as you seem to be taking this all so personally, go and find something worth your moaning lol. I have a BUG, and I like using it. I'm not a very good PVPer when you match me against TSI and Pandas, but I get my share of kills and damage, I have a good laugh then I leave. I'm not claiming the BUG was balanced before this and i'm not going to start now. I know a good Defiant flyer can kick my TRIBBLE. But one day i'll work out enough of the game to beat him. Thats PVP. Just smile.
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
Since you have edited most of my post to fit your agenda here is is again. Sorry if the cold hard truth hurts if these changes are causing that many issues for you then yes quit the damn game. Last time I checked there are and were many other mmo's with pvp out there. While I do agree might not be as in depth as our pvp you still have choices.
It's simple enjoy sto's unbalanced great pvp or play another mmo's ****ty more balanced pvp. No I am not trolling I am speaking the truth that most of you kids can't and won't accept. Get with the program or gtfo.
You people keep crying about the same old thing when you darn well know pvp balance will NEVER ever in any way get any better. It is virtually impossible to do so. Instead of whining about it hoping it will one day get better I have a better solution. QUIT THE DAMN GAME. If you don't want to take it that far use your free dilithium (c store) points to run some cheese builds of your own.
The days of good clean honest built pew pew are long gone so best option is every fleet and man for himself. Run your weak TRIBBLE bull**** build only because you know the other guy and or fleet will be running it. Don't feel bad about doing so as well. Everyone knows in this game who the true pvp pilots are so take comfort in that if you have done so.
Of course some of the great pilots can own in a fleet escort. Now should those same pilots fly that same fleet escort when the jem ship is theirs? The answer is no. Why you ask? Cause sadly that is the position this pilot has been put in. Said pilot should not be getting stomped in his fleet escort when 2 years ago he was doing the stomping.
Love it.
for as 'rare' this ship is, im glad it has a nice boost!
Again as covered many times before you assume these decisions being made are done so with pvp in mind. I am way passed the point in the hopes of getting balanced pvp. So what do I do I run the best possible cheese skilless build I can think of? Do I need to do so? 2 years ago the answer was no. In today's game yes I do. Why? Cause every tom, ****, and harry is running cheese too. I mean of course I can beat a VA newb running cheese in a tier 4 escort who can't? But the game has evolved in such a way to where rolling the q's means having some form of unbalanced TRIBBLE on your ship.
And I don't need any of the premade fleets coming at me saying we don't use any cheese on our ships. Of course you wouldn't rolling with a 5 man premade so don't even try to play that card before you play it. I know pvp more then well enough to know these truths. Accept what bs TRIBBLE is in game for life or gtfo. Sucks to have to say that because I used to be the biggest anti-p2w advocate around. But start taking deaths from players you used to rofl stomp and you will change your tune.
Yep already have 4 mk 11 purple and I am logging in to get the fifth now to stash in my bank till the awesome day I log in and can fit in on. Now where is my bug's hangar bay lol. JK
agreed.
Just like KDF, "they" (Cryptic / PWE ) don't care much for PVP.
Stick to Fed side PVE and you will be happy campers. The masters will take care of you there lol
I have heard this through the grapevine and just wanted to make sure it was not a lie.
Oh don't get me wrong regardless of all the cheese out there now it's not gonna steer me away from pvp. This game is only good for pve content 1 or 2 times through. After that I only level with pve content when pvp q's don't pop. Even so I find myself spending lots of time leveling in kerrat or Otha depending on the respective toons.
Creating mk 13 and mk 14 gear would require increasing the level cap and thus tier 6 pvp. Can you imagine mk 14 purple gear in va/lg pvp to players that don't have it. HAHA
Edit well maybe not so much there is a spot for va level gear on exchange so I guess mk 13 and 14 would be va.
Unless they did va 50 through 54 and full admiral 55 to 59 with fleet admiral being 70
I guess that would mean lots more skill points to spend across the tree too.
Also this would be a good chance for them to add map 2 with playable gamma and delta quadrant sectors and races to play.
Why someone chooses to stay with STO, is not your damn business. Telling people to quit or "gtfo" is not in any way constructive, and is down right trolling! I'm not leaving STO. Why? None of your business.
It IS however possiblle to try to make the game better. Issues have been brought to devs attention and fixed before. True, it doesn't happen often enough, but still. Notice how I'm not crying about "the same old thing", because the old thing was fixed. Now we're crying about one of the new things.
"PVP balance will never get better"?? I know this? Actually, I have information to the contrary. Devs have said pvp will get attention, first content, then balance. OK, I don't trust it till I see it, but I DO believe they want to try. PWE is very PVP-happy, and there is balanced pvp in other games. There is NO reason why STO pvp can't improve.
"Days of good clean honest pew-pew"?? I must have been asleep that day... From launch, sci was iwin. Then nerfed, and after that, it's been one exploit following the next.
On a sidenote: Funny about you calling me a kid... haven't heard that one in many years...
So, now I'm taking heat for debating that the bug ship is OP in a thread named "Did u think that the jem'hadar was OP?"... I'm aware of there being other issues out there that are more important. Global warming, terrorists, etc. However, I got the feeling this thread was not about these things, so I chose to stay on topic. YOU, on the other hand, who think it's worth your time to go into a thread and try to dissuade people from discussing the topic, should find something else to worry about.
Yes, PvP is a small part of STO. It's not the focus of the devs. They do not actively try to find what's wrong with it. That's MORE reason to shout loud, if we want things fixed. It is a proven strategy, that has lead to fixes and adjustments many times before.
It's also proven that all it needs for us to get dev posts is calling them horrible names. They'll post to that, but not into Math related feedback threads. hm.
Yes there are bigger things to worry about. For example my job.
My shiny new T304 Stainless headers that I'm waiting on the seller to respond to my best offer with.
(seriously, why buy a Sports Car if it isn't capable of sounding like it's getting ready to destroy the world through sheer hp. Dumbass engineers!)
That being said, we -do- have the ability to give feedback. Even negative feedback. Just because it would hurt some people's feelings to have their Super Cruiser Nerfed, doesn't mean we shouldn't complain about something that you can get in five minutes or less, being more powerful than something else you can get in five minutes or less, let alone something that is allegedly going to take months of grinding to get.
Indeed.. would you rather have a car with bad breaks and continue to complain about them, or would you prefer to just have a mechanic look at it and replace the breaks?
Kinda same thing here in away.. Although we have really lazy mechanics and some times it takes a wrench to the head as well as a few well placed words to cause them to get off their fat, lazy butts and do something about it. :rolleyes:
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
If I could hack into the servers, and change the code to more balanced figures I would have done this by now, personally.
(and yes, I can safely say I know more about the game's dynamics than those morons)
To continue the car mechanic analogy, this is the point where I'd have gone back to the service floor, and made their so called "master mechanics" look like the drunken fat lazy slobs that they were.
here are my thoughts:
-just being in the damn ship draws so much aggro it almost needs to be a little OP to survive.
-you can tell a bad bug pilot after firing at him for 5 seconds, after that you can ignore them...or kill them like you would any other bad pilot
-i find i like the mvae better all around personally. (and its a damn purty ship, not a bug)
-giving it 5 tac consoles is not the best idea. but its also not that bad.
-a turnrate boost is coming to the ae and mvae right? and hull too i think?
eh, idunno.
Unfortunately the boost on tribble is more like the removal of the nerf they inadvertantly gave it when they gimped the Field Generator.
It also doesn't solve the 60 degree Turn Rate, vs 30. (50 if you want to hack off a good portion of your shields and hp in the process) nor does it solve the superior boff layout.
I was there for your fight with MT. I've also been on, and spectated ALOT of dogfights over the last few weeks. MVAM, vs Bug, Def vs Bug, FE, vs Bug. And in all cases, the pilots themselves were equally skilled. However the Bug won each and every single time. In some cases, the pilot of the lesser ship was out and out superior and flew rings around the bug pilots, however the bug's sheer durability allowed the pilot to crutch his way to victory. Now before some smart alec tries to go "but duels don't indicate balance!" for most Escorts actually they do. Save for the MVAM which is in it's best a crowd control DPS ship, every other Escort, relies on doing two things extremely well. Damage and Agility. That's how escorts earn their keep on a team, and frankly the bug does it in spades, while tanking better than all of them.
The MVAM is not a better ship, sadly. It's not even in the same league. The best you can hope for with an MVAM is to "equal" (with quotes for a reason.. TSS3 and 2s GCDs are too long) a bug's tankyness. However the Bug still has superior firepower (due to a superior boff layout), and agility.
It's not like it's just a little OP. It's tremendously OP. We're talking about a bop, that was stupidly given Escort HP and SP. The BOP which uni stations were deemed so potent that the ship had to lose durability to balance it out again, only the said bop was given full console loadouts as well as a 5th boff.
It doesn't just hit the status of overpowered, it exists quite simply on a totally different level than the other escorts.
And it's not just a 5th tac console. They are giving it superior SP and HP modifiers to EVERY escort in the game as well. They are giving it Steroids, when what it needs is a Holocaust style diet program.
ah.
ya know, ive had many different bug layouts. none of them feel rite. must just be me.
of course i will fly a ship because i like the way it looks, so. thats how i think sometimes.
people make me want to not fly the bug ship. and i swear, i catch so much aggro. and all i do is hate on some oddys.
now thats one OP ship.
wish i liked flying cruisers.
so....back to my fleet escort. so i dont catch the hate.
im still on the fence if i even want to go up against these new and improved monsters in my BoP. that is all