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kanecabal
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Hey guys,
I know this has barely something to do with Star Trek Online, but more with Star Trek itself because it covers physics. We all know that there is the LHC, Large Hadron Collider, in Switzerland. As of today the scientists have discovered a new particle interpreting as the Higgs Boson, the God particle.
Might this be the beginning of a new revolutionary way of living? What I am getting is when we can create matter with energy, we all could have replicators
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Opinions?
I know this has barely something to do with Star Trek Online, but more with Star Trek itself because it covers physics. We all know that there is the LHC, Large Hadron Collider, in Switzerland. As of today the scientists have discovered a new particle interpreting as the Higgs Boson, the God particle.
Might this be the beginning of a new revolutionary way of living? What I am getting is when we can create matter with energy, we all could have replicators
.Opinions?
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And on a side note about the name, I heard it was actually called the God *bleeped* Particle, but they changed it for the press. No greater meaning was meant to be implied. :P
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It's not like we discovered it today out of the blue and can immediately harness it for some greater good. they have theorized about it for 40 odd years as the science suggested it was there, we just could not see it. today they have the equipment to prove it (or at the least something very similar) is there.
Again short term I'm not sure what that changes but its one more step to understanding the universe and it may lead to new devices and equipment over the next 10, 20 or 30 years etc.
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Interesting: When I google that to check the spelling, I get a bunch of Jan Sport back backs.
Now that the Higgs boson has been confirmed to exist, we can further refine our models of physics to identify previously-unforseen effects. Who knows, we might find something that allows for warp drive, or neutron-free nuclear fusion power.
If you want exciting stuff like that to happen, you should hope this new particle *isn't* the Higgs. All identifying it is gonna do is verify that already well-explored models are correct. If those models were wrong though, it'd be much more interesting.
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What makes this discovery so important is that it proves that our entire outlook on the world and physics for the last 50 years was actually right. It's a prove that quantum physics are not just a random theory but reality.
Unless, of course, this particle turns out not to be the Higgs Boson. Than all hell might break loose.
And it's true, BTW: The particle is not supposed to be called the "God Particle". One scientist wanted to publish a book with the title "The ******n Particle" because the Higgs Boson was so elusive and hard to find/verify. The publisher changed it to "The God Particle" without the scientists consent. The name stuck with the media, sadly.
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The problem lies in the fact it takes a machine the size of a city to find this particle and not very effectively. How long before we ever see anything practical or sustainable out of this? IMO, the way the world is now, this current generations grandchildren will be long dead before it happens. Call it the pessimist in me, but that?s not fast enough.
I think I see your point. There is plenty of knowledge to be learned yet with much smaller scale projects. These large colliders seem to be more for show than effect. But then... it's probably one of the better ways for a government to show off. They used to just build pyramids.
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1. We find new energy sources and hopefully make our way to a more Trekian future, filled with all the Starships, Romulan Ale, and Orion women a Trekkie could want.
2. We find new energy sources that end up being abused and probably doing to our planet what Nero did to Vulcan.
3. Nothing will change.
4. Either outcome one or two will begin to occur, but Q or a similar being will intervene and change reality to result in outcome three.
Rubbish. People say the same thing every time there's a breakthrough in physics, and every single time we've gone on to something even cooler and more bizarre, it's the height of arrogance to think we can decipher the totality of the mechanics of the universe in a couple of centuries, we're not that clever - and I say that as a physicist.
Understanding the Higgs field will take another century at least, but imagine what we could do if we could manipulate it; we could alter the mass of matter, we could even achieve matter-energy conversion(replicators, anyone?). In truth, we don't have a scooby what this discovery could do for us, or what new weird and wonderful domains it could open for us to explore; who saw the internet coming? The personal computer? Could Young back in 1803 have foreseen that his work, filtered through the minds of countless other scientists, would eventually lead us to graphene circuits, quantum levitation, laser-based communication systems; or that it would lead us down the path to M-Theory via special relativity and quantum electrodynamics?
No, we have a long way to go yet m'friend, and I'm glad I'm part of it.
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People always say they hope the theory is incomplete so there will be more discoveries? This is the arrogant position? I ... think I must have just chosen my words poorly.
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lol
So, because YOU'LL never see it, it's a waste.
Even if the LHC leads to advances that change our civilization, just that you won't be around to see them...
I still call that a win.
:rolleyes:
On that note...
SCIENCE!!
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Door stop, foot stool, basketball, A new body to graft your conciousness in, food, source of stem cells, alarm clock, etc.....
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Various perpetual motion machines
this "magic trick" needs investigating and those involved need investigating
Matter is MATTER
its Real and solid and not made up of tiny pieces of chewing gum
So I will not believe this until its proven by scientists paid NOT to find it
This must be a troll, surely, nobody can be this thick. Do you know what all the claims to have succeeded at cold fusion or perpetual motion have in common? They weren't made by scientists, and they weren't considered credible by scientists. I mean seriously, if there's some kind of giant conspiracy among physicists, we're doing it wrong, because I'm certainly not being paid enough for my silence :rolleyes:
No, I meant that it is arrogant to think that simply because we have made one discovery which confirms the standard model, the standard model is complete and all that's left is to "tidy up". We still don't even have an idea how to test a lot of the more hypothetical ideas which have arisen as a result of quantum mechanics, and it'll be a long long long time before we have the technology to build a subatomic-particle smasher powerful enough to see if we really have reached the limit of the very-small.
As to your wording, it's probable I misunderstood and used language that was a bit strong, apologies.
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says someone who believes in MAGIC????
in particles so tiny they are undetectable by real means??
in "mindstuff" that makes us all nul??
yep like this they were unproven and made by Greedy men who claimed to be scientists
you must be VERY young
not to remember the scientists falling over themselves to embrace cold fusion
Physicists are paid to be ignorant by numbers the more ignorant the more money
and this whole experiment was stupidly expensive , stupidly dangerous and generally stupid
Never forget that "scientists" have destroyed whole cities before now.
Sometimes its not "can we" but "should we"
WHEN someone suggests weaponising this discovery maybe you will understand
however a "god particle" disproves the existance of life and matter ergo it can not be real
its impossible
if it existed none of us would be alive or human we would be transitory wave forms existing only as a mathmatical fault
this "experiment" is over
and should be closed down while its investigated by men paid NOT to find this particle
meanwhile the money wasted on this stupidity could have fed the starving , cured the sick or kept the cold warm
instead of trying to kill God and end the cosmos
I admit my own area of expertise is explosives and Engineering
But I do know that if you blow things up you get smaller bits (and those are still MATTER)
And that scientists get rich based on dumb ideas
What....who....come again? I don't know how anyone could....
Wait, nevermind, all is clear now. We're done here, enjoy spouting nonsense and playing a computer game using technology which wouldn't have been possible without the things you say are impossible
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wat?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf0yQbrY9Pw
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the universe the REAL one and the Game both rely on things being REAL
not made up out of stuff too small to be proven and detectable only by a computer program PROGRAMMED to see it regardless of if its there or not
you claim to be a scientist
well that means you should believe NOTHING until its proven by a THIRD test in a THIRD location
as this is not even claimed by a reliable Second source its bogus and I do not trust it
Especially as you pulled out the "Troll card" (which means you are unable to argue based on proven facts like for example "matter exists" and "the Universe is real")
so yes STOP
and cern should stop too before they waste more money or blow up half of europe
Do you know WHY it is that large? Do you even know WHAT it actually does? Of course you don't. Yet you critizise something you can't even begin to understand...lol.
It's the people that add to the compendium of human knowledge that make it possible for the rest of us to even have a future. With each generation they build on the knowledge of those that came before them, advancing human civilization and making it easier for those too selfish or dim-witted to otherwise survive to continue to grace our species with their presence. They in turn contribute by producing more selfish dimwits. And it is those dimwits and the prospect that they could take over that drives those with a thirst for knowledge to go to school and build city sized colliders, etc.. Thus the wheel of life is complete. :P
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so we ARE organians then??
thats not necessarily true. thats like going back a few hundred years and saying there is no such thing as a virus or bacteria because nobody had invented anything that could be used to see them yet
erm..... you know that matter really isn't all that solid right?
nice discovery, cost enough (including hawking's $100 for a lost bet)>.> while all it really does is help confirm the standard model...which was getting along fine without the evidence. will it be useful? considering the cost? perhaps if there's something else discovered because of that discovery...but by itself it's useless except to those that wanted confirmation.
so, nice for the scientists, theorists, etc...but in practical terms...how does that help or apply to anyone else? mayhap i'm too logical >.> cost of discovery vs usefulness of discovery
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Something along the lines of getting the particles they're flinging around using magnets to get it up to near the speed of light and colliding them together to see what the result causes and see what could be made out of doing this to discover the secrets of the universe? No, I don't understand it 100%, I'm sure it does more than that. But the fact still remains that it solves nothing immediate or near future and is still hypothetical if we can ever use it for anything.
BTW man, please keep this civil. Name calling to people who disagree with what's being done doesn't help your argument. I want the world to keep learning like all of you here. But I think we can do something more pracitcal with it. But that's going to lead into a discussion that I'm sure is against the TOS of the forums and I'm not going into that.